Above 1200 Sq/FT Restored 1930's Auto Shop

[BB767]

BB767, on the identity of your "tall oil can" here are a few pics that should clear up the original use. You will also see that the upper section does indeed separate from the lower can as just the lower can portion is changed when empty. This is fro 3M but I suspect others used the same idea.

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Charles

That's such a clever idea. The only new pieces they had to make were the center section and longer pickup tube. The bottom could be used alone with a shorter pickup tube for a smaller can and the very top dispenser would be the same for all. It's entirely possible 3M just bought the can from a supplier instead of manufacturing it themselves and put their product in it.

Nice pictures too, thanks. They say a picture is worth, well, you know.....

Thomas

 

[BB767]

Check it out... I go twice a year... I live only 12 miles from this auction...
So much to buy ... I dont have the 2011 dates yet. I can post them later.
Picture it: 25-30 Amish auctioneers in one place, selling dozens of items at one time, and acres and acres of “stuff” to choose from – including household goods and nursery stock to live animals (peacocks and horses!) to tractors and antiques.

And the food, oh the food. Homemade fruit pies and whoopie pies, hot sausage sandwiches and hamburgers, and the best thing of all: BBQ chicken cooked over an open fire. It’s so good that a line will usually start forming by 9 or 10 am, because really, what’s not to love about BBQ chicken for breakfast AND lunch? I can taste it now – the saltiness, the smokiness – YUM. It’s pure joy.


WASHINGTONVILLE — An estimated 6,000 Amish and those they call “the English” from across the commonwealth flocked Saturday to an auction to benefit four one-room Amish schools in the Valley.

The interesting thing is I live about 30 miles from the largest Amish settlement in Illinois. I've hired Amish workers over the years for various projects. In fact they did the all the concert work on the front of the shop and in and around the barn. I'll check to see if they have something similar here. Thanks.

BTW, you tell no lies about the delicious food. All home made from fresh ingredients. YUM indeed!!

Thomas

 

[rsieracki]

Thanks kbeitz for that and all your other suggestions.

i got a bunch of those at an auction recently and i thought thats what they were for and now i know for sure... anyone need any? send me a pm.

on a side note, this thread is what i stumbled across last year that got me to join the forum. great job with an awesome shop.

 

[Nuts]

Hi Thomas and Chris

Thanks for the pics using the fixed safety post on the lift, I think that proves the theory of what the brackets were for. Because of the two tall post that were there, I wonder if the post for the bracket was shorter? Maybe the thought was, if one post was good, two had to be twice as good.

The next time you need to paint a name plate like for your jack, use something water soluble to paint the tops of the letters, after the paint dries just wash the solution off, instant lettering. I have used light grease for this, but I'm sure that there are products made for this use.


Nuts aka Doug

 

[3bay]

They look like fan stands to me Bud!

 

[jaso]

hey Thomas

If you could P.M me a postal address i have the felt that I was talking about earlier here that i am happy to send over

It is around 3-5 mm thick ( 1/16" - just under 1/4 inch thick )

Jason

 

[BB767]

Walker update 3.012- Powder Coating

As you know I'm a big fan of powder coating. It's not for everything but it does have it's place. A floor jack lives a rough, tough, rugged, unappreciated life. As such I didn't think paint would hold up quite as well as powder coat so that's what I decided on for the old Walker.

This is the top release knob plus a couple of small parts that are used at the base of the knob. They've all been sand blasted clean and since the jack had lots and lots and lots of grease and oil covering all it's various parts, all parts were heated in the oven to boil out all the embedded grease before coating them. This grease boiling process had to be repeated several times to get it all out. Did I mention there was lots and lots and lots of grease and oil covering virtually every surface?? Once completely clean and ready for powder all holes had plugs through the holes where we didn't want powder. Also the part on the right only gets powdered on the very end, about 1/16" worth.The orange is special powder coating tape to protect it.

On the bottom of the knob all these holes will be plugged.

Here the prepared parts are hung in the spray booth.

The handle gets 3 color separate colors (red, white, blue) on it so here we're measuring the correct distance and taping off where we don't want powder.

Don did a test run on his own modern jack handle, sacrificing it just to see if the striping was going to work in the sequence we thought would work best. It sure looked like it was going to be OK.

There's an exhaust fan to pull and capture the excess powder in filters seen in the back.

When powder is being applied a small electrical charge is passed through the part being coated, that's why they're hung using metal hangers.That causes the powder to "****" right onto the part. It's pretty slick.

Here Don is using a high power flashlight to make sure the powder got into all the small crevices under the release knob. He has great dedication and attention to detail.

The parts are hung in the oven to cure the powder. The handle has tape and paper on it so he'll leave that in the oven till it gets to about 200 - 250F, (93-121C).

He can take a direct read of the oven temperature without opening the door by way of a small "port" seen here. It takes about 5 minutes to heat the handle to 200F or so....

... it's then taken out of the oven and the paper and tape are then removed. The handle is then placed back in the oven for 20 -30 minutes to cure the powder. That process is repeated 2 more time, once for each different color on the handle. It's fussy work but look at the results...

Bright colors with sharp, crisp distinct edges to the color bands.

These are all the parts that make up the top on the handle with the release knob.

And this is the lower end.

All taken together this is what will make up the handle when assembled. I matched up this handle with the handle on the original paint jack and the placement of the stripes is right on the money.

There is more coming..............

Thomas

 

[Scuderia-F1]

Thomas, THAT is going to be one awesome Walker jack!

This project has inspired me to the point that I´m considering the same makeover but on my jack-stands. Powder coat is the way to go when rebuilding heavy duty shop equipment.

Can´t wait to see the rest of the pics from the Walker rebuild, and all the other rebuilds of your shop equipment.

Job well done on this one Thomas!

Regards,

Anders.

 

[3bay]

Thats going to look awesome Thomas!

 

[dcm5652]

Thomas you have done an awesome job, I waited till I read all the post before replying, you have brought back memories that were long forgotten, I thank you for that. Chris you have got to be an angel to stay with all of his projects through the years, I checked out the forum Lincoln of Distinction and will be checking it out some more, Thanks. I was at a Motor Shop today and saw this and took a few Pictures. I hope you like them. Notice that it has been updated with a 12 volt gear-reduction starter and a 12 volt alternator.

 

[ToyMeKaNeK]

There were never any freeze plugs in those blocks? Hmmm

 

[dcm5652]

That is an engine like the "flat head" V8 that was found in the shop, look back at about page 82 ( I think) and you can see his engine and the parts, the clean-out plugs were not used on these engines, the casting-sand was cleaned out through the water-pump openings.

 

[BB767]

Thomas you have done an awesome job, I waited till I read all the post before replying, you have brought back memories that were long forgotten, I thank you for that. Chris you have got to be an angel to stay with all of his projects through the years, I checked out the forum Lincoln of Distinction and will be checking it out some more, Thanks. I was at a Motor Shop today and saw this and took a few Pictures. I hope you like them. Notice that it has been updated with a 12 volt gear-reduction starter and a 12 volt alternator.

dcm5652 those are outstanding pictures. That's something along the lines of what I'd like to do with my flathead perhaps. I've never done one before and believe it would be an enjoyable project. I've got a great friend by the name of Lou Bingham from San Diego.

He just happens to have held around 14 or so various land speed records over the last 50 years at El Mirage and/or Bonneville, many of them using flathead power.

He's a very knowledgable guy who I bet could give me proper guidance about flatheads.

Here's a copy he gave me of what I think this was the last speed record he set using the car pictured below.

Even though he finished his driving career with " modern" OHV engines he none the less knows what makes a flathead tick. You'll hear some more about Lou and his involvement with a certain Indy car already mentioned here, a certain, special manifold and that 6 degrees of separation thing and the world is really a small place etc.
BTW he's been to EVERY Bonneville Speed Week since I believe around 1953 without missing one, including last August. Even though he no longer drives race cars, he's still is active out there every year.

As for the always charming and delightful Chris being an angel I couldn't have said it better. I'm "lucky, lucky, lucky".

Thanks again for you kind words and persistence.

Thomas

 

[patrick66]

Got my new Car Craft magazine today - great feature on your garage!

 

[BB767]

Thank you patrick66. You were pretty quick on spotting the article. I knew it was for the May issue but didn't know it had come out. Sharp eyes!

Now for some news from one of our fellow participants on this thread. I just received a second PM from Sick Puppy, one of our corespondents from Christchurch, New Zealand. Last month as you know that city was hit by a particularly nasty earthquake. He writes that he and family are all well but the city is a mess and will be for some time to come. The city is still operating under a state of emergency. He suggests for those planning a New Zealand visit, go to Auckland for now and kind of skip Christchurch for the time being. Good call. Seriously, they are slowly putting everything back together but hasn't had time to do his workshop as yet.

I'm confident he'll be back to normal soon driving more poor, unsuspecting, innocent countrymen crazy with our "doings" here at the restored 1930's auto shop.

Thomas

 

[BB767]

If you can stand just a little more update on the Walker...

The release knob consists of several parts unseen under the knob.

Once it was all assembled this small cap, seen at top, needed to be pressed on the sliding pin. That cap presses onto that pin until it bottoms out on the shoulder as seen. That cap retains the sliding pin so it can't be pushed out of the release knob base. After this picture was taken and before the actual pressing of the cap, the area all around that pin and handle was all taped off to prevent scuffing parts up while the cap was pressed on.

This shows everything now reassembled and fully functional. That sliding pin is a safety feature. When engaged in one position it allows the knob to turn via a long rod internal in the handle, the jack power piston onto the "on" position. When that sliding pin is in the other position, the release knob is disconnected from the long rod and the power piston allowing the knob to freewheel. It can't release the jack pressure.

Top end done. The trick is doing all this without scuffing up the powder coating.

The bottom end done.

The completed handle.

Next we'll go from this...

... to this...

...and then to...

Stand by.

Thomas

 

[crazytrain]

First off I want to say hello to everyone here at GJ. Second I want to say congrats to Thomas and Chris on a beautiful restoration of the 1930's garage and tools. Tom I can't wait to see the Walker jack finished. I worked for a small Chevrolet dealer about 5 years ago, the garage was originally a carriage shop then later became a car dealership. We did everything on floor jacks and jackstands. We only had 1 lift which was a single post infloor lift possibly a rotary lift but not 100% on that. It looked like a big metal "H" on the floor and the lift arms had to be attached to circular mounts that slid on the "H" frame. once the car was pulled over the lift the lift arms could be attached and set. We could put a car on it and spin it 360 degrees when the safty leg was unhooked. We old Hein Warner 4 ton jacks that looked alot like the Walker you have. The old jacks worked great better than the newer 2 ton jacks we had and they llifted higher. Thank you for posting so many pictures and sharing your experience on the restore with everyone. It took me a week to get through all 125 posts but it was fun reading, I enjoyed it alot.

 

[crazytrain]

Here's an update on my work cleaning out some of the buildings. This is the flathead that was suppose to be overhauled some 60 years ago but never it never happened. It got put aside in the back corner of the building to the right until I uncovered it 5 years ago. There it sat until yesterday when I brought it outside and transferred it to the barn in the background.

It appears to be fairly complete. I've been told it's a Ford 60 which was the smallest flathead V8 Ford made. Though it was in dry storage it was not environmentally controlled and has rusted due to humidity. Any of you flathead experts out there please add any information you see fit. This is my first exposure to them. I do know that the tool shed contains some NOS flathead parts which I'll be getting to pretty soon.

Thomas

JERAULDS Y MANIFOLD STORY CONTINUED......

Here's an email I received from Charles from Dec 4th that I'm just now getting updated here so it's a little out of sequence..........


Thomas
I just found the Al Jerauld manifold & Jacob Bagnell story you posted on your GJ page.
I'm blown away at how this has become a story so many folks are following.

Well to up date you on whats going on... We have NOT found the Jerauld - Barber Belly Tank Lakester YET...
I'm sending emails to everyone I can find on the internet asking if they know where the car is today.
Posted a few times on H.A.M.B. with no results......
I got a lot of folks looking for this belly tank , if it is still out there were going to find it.

I have found lots of photos & info on the car .
It was featured in the sept 1952 issue of Hot Rod Magazine ( Scan of the 2 page article attached )

Al Jerauld & George Barber wanted to be different , everyone was going BIG , so they went small , small belly tank , small engine
In 1952 the car set the record for "O" class lakesters at Bonneville 115.53 Mph ( O class is 90 cid under)
It had a destroked & sleeved V8/60 flathead , 88.75 cid with 80 base horse power , running Alcohol & Nitromethane
1954 it ran 4th in "A" Class lakesters at Bonneville ( not sure what "A class" engine displacement was back then or the MPH it ran)
1956 it ran 160 mph at Bonneville ( not sure what class) , 120 mph at Paradise Mesa Drag Strip & 152 at El Mirage dry lake

Jacob & I went to JACK'S GARAGE in Fountain Valley Calif. a few weeks back. We talked to the old school dry lake guys ,
they knew about the Belly Tank but didn't know where it was today. They also knew of the Jerauld Y manifold ,but had never seen one.
Photo attached of Jabob & Jack Underwood at JACKS GARAGE.

Jacob & I are going to try to go to JERAULDS AUTOMOTIVE ( the old Jerauld Speed Shop) next Saturday. They have photos & info on the car.

i was contacted by Geoffrey Hacker , He has a web page called BELLYTANKS.COM ,
He is going to do a web article on the Jerauld - BarberBelly tank in December or January.

The manifold itself is still being restored & mounted on a black marble base,
The guys at Jacks Garage are going to hook Jacob up with 2 old Stromberg 97 carbs
& I'm going to make some carb scoops.
( I will send photos ASAP)

Someone posted on your GJ page that Vic Edelbrock made a similar Y manifold. As far
as we can find out , Al Jerauld made his Y manifold before Edelbrock put his out ,
A guy by the name of VERN TARDAL makes a Y manifold today & SO-CAL SPEED SHOP sells it on Ebay
It looks ALMOST EXACTLY like the Al Jerauld Manifold.
On Vern Tardel's web page he says his manifold is a copy of a “SCHOOLBOY'S” dual manifold. I haven't been able to find
photos or info of the schoolboy,s manifold . I'm going to contact Vern & see what info they have.
(I have attached a photo of Vern Tardel's manifold)

Well this saga & hunt for the Jerauld Belly Tank Lakester continues , will up date you when I have more

Thanks again for everything
Charles Chenowth & Jacob Bagnell


..........Charles also sent this picture and short caption.........

"Here is a photo of Al Jerauld & George Barber taken at Jeraulds Speed Chop in National city
Charles"




......Little did I know when I first saw that manifold in 2005 it would lead to all this........ and the best part is, it's all good.

There is still more background material as it relates to the Indy car that I'll get on here soon.

Thomas

I think you guys should try to find out engine numbers for Al Jerauld's Ford 60 motor and see if they match up with Tom's Ford 60 motor. Might just find that Mr. Johnson had the belly tank car in his garage at some point. but you just never know. Stranger things have happened. It is a little funny how Al Jerauld only made like 50 "Y" manifolds and used a Ford 60 flat head motor both of which you had in Mr johnson's shed. Pretty cool stuff.

 

[Sick Puppy]

Now for some news from one of our fellow participants on this thread. I just received a second PM from Sick Puppy, one of our corespondents from Christchurch, New Zealand. Last month as you know that city was hit by a particularly nasty earthquake. He writes that he and family are all well but the city is a mess and will be for some time to come. The city is still operating under a state of emergency. He suggests for those planning a New Zealand visit, go to Auckland for now and kind of skip Christchurch for the time being. Good call. Seriously, they are slowly putting everything back together but hasn't had time to do his workshop as yet.

Oh heck no, don't be telling everyone I said go to Auckland, my Kiwi compatriots will never let me hear the end of it! There might be a bit of rivalry between Auckland and the rest of NZ...

We're getting there - it's raining pretty heavily today, so no cleaning up for me today, other than to replace a broom that broke after less than a day's use! Still, it means I get to spend time with family, doesn't seem like there's been enough of that lately...

Garage clean up begins tomorrow - open it up to try and dry out silt/mud, remove what I can get a mate to help me remove larger pieces of furniture so I can remove mud etc and hose it out, and then list and photograph what cannot be saved so I can get valuations. Sounds like a hassle, but not as

Then look at building a replacement tool bench, and buying a tool cart, preferably with pontoons as an option this time.

Thomas, thanks again for PM-ing me (you too American Lockpicker!), concerns are always appreciated.

Just looking at post #2497, and the work you are putting into this restoration - is ASTOUNDING! I love seeing stuff like this, right down to the walker jack restoration, so keep it coming!

In the meantime

 

[LegacyIndustrial]

Inspirational

 

[Bob Heine]

There might be a bit of rivalry between Auckland and the rest of NZ...

I visited both islands around 1990. Auckland is OK but Christchurch was just amazing. My wife commented to one of the locals when she noticed no one had curtains in their Lounge window (Living room window for us Yanks). The woman she had asked pointed at the view of the green valley and craggy mountains and said "Why would we ever cover up that view?"

The pictures are heartbreaking for those who've seen the place in better days. I know it will be repaired but still.... Did the South Pole expedition museum come through all right?

 

[BB767]

I think you guys should try to find out engine numbers for Al Jerauld's Ford 60 motor and see if they match up with Tom's Ford 60 motor. Might just find that Mr. Johnson had the belly tank car in his garage at some point. but you just never know. Stranger things have happened. It is a little funny how Al Jerauld only made like 50 "Y" manifolds and used a Ford 60 flat head motor both of which you had in Mr johnson's shed. Pretty cool stuff.

Crazytrain, you brought up a veeeerry interesting observation about the manifold, the flathead and the belly tanker. I'll admit I've never actually looked UP into the rafters of the tool shed. For all I know you may be on to something here. And by the way, if there's something lurking there, NO Jacob, you can't have it; it's all mine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTW, Chris and I are seeing both Charles and Jacob Monday evening. I wonder if he'll have the manifold out of the vault for our visit? If so I'm sure he's got security and a metal detector we'll have to pass through before we're allow in the same room with it.

Thomas

 

[JC23]

[QUOTEBTW, Chris and I are seeing both Charles and Jacob Monday evening. I wonder if he'll have the manifold out of the vault for our visit? If so I'm sure he's got security and a metal detector we'll have to pass through before we're allow in the same room with it.

Thomas[/QUOTE]

No, Thomas. You'll go through the metal detector on the way OUT to make sure you're clean. haha

Congrats on the magazine. You do realize we are all living through you, don't you?

 

[Amitygravel]

Hello Thomas!

I think Crazytrain is on to something here ! Strange , very strange coincidence. Aw jeez , what if it was there , and Mr Johnson let some of the local kids have it for a 'project' and they tried to make a kayak to paddle it down the Embarras ? !!
Say, have you ever looked in the attic of the Johnson family house ?

Craig.

 

[crazytrain]

Sounds like you better check the rafters and attic tomorrow, might be sitting on a gold mine.

 

[crazytrain]

Continuing with items in the lean to or tool shed.

These are some of the dealer display signs or racks.

There were still several NOS radiator hoses with this display.

There were also several new brake lines which hung from this display.

And to go with the Fram oil line display are several new Fram Filters, the old cartridge type. You guys well versed in 1950's cars can tell us about the gas jars. Windshield washer reservoirs or manifold vacuum reservoirs perhaps?

Another " Where's Waldo" pictures. A little bit of everything. As I start to clean out these buildings I'll get better pictures of some of the more interesting items.

Here are a few more tools found.

These are sockets in a wood case.

More hand tools including blacksmith tools.

More blacksmith specialty tools.

Bucket 'O heavy duty chain with home made hooks. The hooks were cut out of about 1" thick metal using a torch.

Thomas

Tom, do you have any info on the that socket set? They look alot like a set I have from my grand father. If it's like mine its a Frank Mossberg stamped steel socket set.

Information on Frank Mossberg Co.

http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artif...g-company.html

 

[Gustav_t]

Those glass jars can indeed be windshield washer reservoirs. Being found together with Fram oil filters they could also be for "marvel mystery oil" - lubrication for Judson supercharger/kompressors on 1950´ies Volkswagen engines. Both Fram filters, glass jar reservoirs and especially Marvel mystery oilers are highly desirable items with the vintage Volkswagen and Porsche crowd.

 

[motoxer667]

Been lurking here since Thanksgiving of '10. I have told many people of your dedication to preservation of this shop. I am truly inspired by it too.

Then this week the new Car Craft magazine was in my mailbox to remind me of all the reasons I keep following the progress.

Like many have already told you congratulations on job well done.

 

[anthony73]

Congrats on the Car Craft feature! You have some nice place there and some sweet cars too.Gives me some inspiration on my own garage!

 

[ct96ek]

Congrats on the article I love all the amazing work you have done. You have inspired me to save the old character from my 50s garage

 

[realvc]

Congrats. on the magazine feature. I was looking at the pictures in the mag. and thought I had seen the shop before and then when I read it was your shop thread on GJ it made since.
Thanks for sharing your restoration project.

 

[bushpilot]

count me no longer as a lurker, 3 days 126 pages !

Im curious - as the family of mr. Johnson has come back to see what youve done,
do they have appreciation for the amount of effort & restoration...to the memory of
their family member ??

 

[wagonmaster]

That's the second of this site to get National publication!! Congrats!! Great SHOP!!

 

[northwoods]

Just read about this saved shop in CC. Love it - looks like you and your buds did a wonderful job!

 

[jerry j]

Those jars are definetly windshield washer jars. They are from the early '50's
when washers were an option.. I can remember the exact jar in my dad's 52 chevy.

 

[Bob Heine]

That's the second of this site to get National publication!! Congrats!! Great SHOP!!

Actually, three garages from here have been featured in Car Craft in the last three issues. Thomas Payne (May 2011), Jack Olsen (April 2011) and Ed Danneberg (March 2011). Congratulations to three great garages and their owners.

You know them better as:

Restored 1930's Auto Shop (Thomas Payne)
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51567

The 12-Gauge Garage (Jack Olsen)
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55006

E-Tek's Drive-Through (Ed Danneberg)
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=33770

 

[GreyOwl]

I have a jar and bracket identical to the one on the left hanging on my shop wall. It came on my 57 Chevy. They are definitely windshield washer jars used with the automatic washer system. Can't quite see the top of the one on the right but it looks similar.

Charles

 

[BB767]

Tom, do you have any info on the that socket set? They look alot like a set I have from my grand father. If it's like mine its a Frank Mossberg stamped steel socket set.

Information on Frank Mossberg Co.

http://home.comcast.net/~alloy-artif...g-company.html

crazytrain that Mossberg set in your picture sure looks like a dead ringer to the socket set in my picture. My set still sits exactly as pictured, undisturbed in the tool shed since I took that picture almost a year ago. When I get home I'll get it out and let you know what I found. I just haven't gotten to that area of the tool shed so there it sits, patiently. Many thanks for the information and great pictures.

Thomas

 

[BB767]

Those glass jars can indeed be windshield washer reservoirs. Being found together with Fram oil filters they could also be for "marvel mystery oil" - lubrication for Judson supercharger/kompressors on 1950´ies Volkswagen engines. Both Fram filters, glass jar reservoirs and especially Marvel mystery oilers are highly desirable items with the vintage Volkswagen and Porsche crowd.

Those jars are definetly windshield washer jars. They are from the early '50's
when washers were an option.. I can remember the exact jar in my dad's 52 chevy.

Thank you Gustav_t and jerry j. Those two I have pictured aren't in all that great condition but the glass is perfect shape. But as you've seen, with effort they could be made reusable. Another mystery part identified and new applications found.

Thomas

 

[BB767]

Thank you to everyone for all the kind, generous comments. It's because of you who have taken the time to read and follow the progress out in our little corner of the world that keeps me motivated to continue posting about the whole saga. There is genuine interest in what I'm trying to accomplish out there and I'm more than happy to share it. For the folks who are newly aware of the shop and this thread you are all most welcome here. For any questions that are posted I try very hard to make sure I get a reply to you. If I don't have an answer right away, please bear with me as I will get information to you as I am able. Again, thanks everyone.

Slightly blushing Thomas