Allen, if they do that, how can they possibly be called "master"???
Do it right once and be done with it. Thank you for the encouragement.
Thomas
Above 1200 Sq/FT Restored 1930's Auto Shop
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Allen, if they do that, how can they possibly be called "master"???
Do it right once and be done with it. Thank you for the encouragement.
Thomas
Always welcome Craig. Let me know and we'll put our calendars together and make it happen.
THomas
tdkkart
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Probably the same way a person with zero experience in their field can have a "Master's Degree" straight out of college at 22-24 years old??
magnusk750
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BTW Magnusk, how did the math exam turn out?
Thomas
The last one was ok, but there are six more exams next week. The last 3-4 weeks have been a nightmare but I given myself the right to some GJ-ing as a good nights fairy tale every evening.
markviii
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Magnus,
Well, that's appropriate! Tom always says we're living the dream. Just as long as you don't mean it's boring enough to put you to sleep, like a tedious lecture. I like the good-night fairy-tale story idea!
Chris
Well, that's appropriate! Tom always says we're living the dream. Just as long as you don't mean it's boring enough to put you to sleep, like a tedious lecture. I like the good-night fairy-tale story idea!
Chris
Alan T in DE
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Allen, if they do that, how can they possibly be called "master"???
Do it right once and be done with it. Thank you for the encouragement.
Thomas
We (sadly) live in a world of lowered expectations. Consumers see some cheap shiny **** at Walmart & mistake it for quality. Hacks w/ a circular saw & a framing hammer pass themselves off as "master cabinet makers." and most people are too stupid to know otherwise!
It's pathetic.
Ummm... My eyes keep wandering to the bench in the background.... And all of the Ummm.... ToolSSSS!!!!!!
Could you include some more photos of the in use benches please?....
Joe, as I mentioned at the start of the BBB posts, this is a friends shop so I don't want to over do my welcome. He probably wouldn't mind but then again he might so for now I'm afraid you'll just have settle for what you can see in the background. When I get back there, perhaps I'll mention it to him. I'm trying not to step on anyones toes as I'm sure you can understand.
I'll get some tool shed material on here, please stick with me. I bet it'll be worth it.
Thomas
BTW before I get going on more BBB posts I wanted to thank everyone for the kind anniversary wishes. I was in Brazil when most of those were posted and that was a nice day brightener for me, several thousand miles from home. Much appreciated. I was pretty sure most of you would understand a little personal sidetrack from me. For those who have met Chris, the reason is self evident.
Thomas
For those who have met Chris, the reason is self evident. Thomas
Here we go some more...
All those doors that were made a while back are now hung and fitted. The main dimension that meets the eye with this bench will be 3" (7.6 cm). The top is 3" thick, most of the legs are either 3" X 3" or a variation of 3"...
...the doors and end panels are framed with 3" wide frames. I think that contributes to an overall balanced appearance. I found some hinge hardware that's pretty heavy duty and completely hidden when seen from the outside of the bench, leaving a clean look. The doors and drawers are full overlay which means where the door frame contacts the outer opening of the bench...
...none of the door goes into the opening, but stays flush with the outer surface of the bench or "overlays" the opening.
If you want to be technical it's a 3/8" overlay in this case, seen at the top of the door.
Another feature I like about the hinges is the ease and wide range of adjustability and they're self closing. I don't like seeing cabinet doors left ajar. Chris will confirm that about our kitchen.
The "L" cabinet doors on the right are narrower than the other two pair on the long bench.
You can see by putting the drawer cabinet with it's 3/4" plywood sides in the middle of the long bench it balances the appearance and provides excellent rigidity to the center of that bench and aids in it's stability.
The toe kick overlay and reveal with the doors installed can now be better appreciated.
The leg on the right of the open cabinet was a 4" wide one. That extra inch helped space that door out from the corner...
...so there wouldn't be any interference "issues" opening the right hand door.
Look at the two legs on the inside corner, the left 4" and right 7" ones.
This is how those two legs interface with each other from the front...
...with the doors installed. A nice, neat, clean, square corner and they are just sitting unattached to each other as yet. I haven't done my attachment to ensure if a bench gets bumped it won't open that corner up. Getting a flat square base and then during construction and glue up, checking to ensue the squareness of all the surfaces is paying dividends now.
TBC...
Thomas
All those doors that were made a while back are now hung and fitted. The main dimension that meets the eye with this bench will be 3" (7.6 cm). The top is 3" thick, most of the legs are either 3" X 3" or a variation of 3"...
...the doors and end panels are framed with 3" wide frames. I think that contributes to an overall balanced appearance. I found some hinge hardware that's pretty heavy duty and completely hidden when seen from the outside of the bench, leaving a clean look. The doors and drawers are full overlay which means where the door frame contacts the outer opening of the bench...
...none of the door goes into the opening, but stays flush with the outer surface of the bench or "overlays" the opening.
If you want to be technical it's a 3/8" overlay in this case, seen at the top of the door.
Another feature I like about the hinges is the ease and wide range of adjustability and they're self closing. I don't like seeing cabinet doors left ajar. Chris will confirm that about our kitchen.
The "L" cabinet doors on the right are narrower than the other two pair on the long bench.
You can see by putting the drawer cabinet with it's 3/4" plywood sides in the middle of the long bench it balances the appearance and provides excellent rigidity to the center of that bench and aids in it's stability.
The toe kick overlay and reveal with the doors installed can now be better appreciated.
The leg on the right of the open cabinet was a 4" wide one. That extra inch helped space that door out from the corner...
...so there wouldn't be any interference "issues" opening the right hand door.
Look at the two legs on the inside corner, the left 4" and right 7" ones.
This is how those two legs interface with each other from the front...
...with the doors installed. A nice, neat, clean, square corner and they are just sitting unattached to each other as yet. I haven't done my attachment to ensure if a bench gets bumped it won't open that corner up. Getting a flat square base and then during construction and glue up, checking to ensue the squareness of all the surfaces is paying dividends now.
TBC...
Thomas
True enough Allen, but perhaps you're being a little harsh? When Dad and I were operating the picture framing shop we found that consumers just didn't know any better. They thought gaps in the frame corner miters or over-cuts on the mat corners or small dirt specks inside the glass was unavoidable. We educated them and showed them the high quality and attention to detail that was possible. Anything that came out of our gallery was as close to perfect as possible, they then better appreciated it. It was a matter of choice once they were shown what was possible. A simple photograph of "Aunt Maddie" in her Easter hat might not warrant a museum quality framing but at least they now knew the difference. Education is the key in most cases I think. I suppose that's partly what I'm doing with this thread, showing possibilities.
As always, thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Thomas
Vernmotor
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Well I log on to day for the first time in a while to find out it has been since feb..did't think it had been that long !! and first thing I want to look at was this thread..never thought I would be 34 pages behind !!! gezz..I DON'T THINK I MISS THE TEST DID I ? LOL
Sweet Old Bill
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Thomas,
A minor suggestion. You might consider buying a few extra pieces of hardware, such as the hinges or drawer slides. Having a few extras for repair might be very convenient, down the road. Also, if you still have some of the parts packaging. I try to keep a few examples at the back of a drawer. Again, just easier if you have to replace one down the road.
Take Care.
A minor suggestion. You might consider buying a few extra pieces of hardware, such as the hinges or drawer slides. Having a few extras for repair might be very convenient, down the road. Also, if you still have some of the parts packaging. I try to keep a few examples at the back of a drawer. Again, just easier if you have to replace one down the road.
Take Care.
Nuts
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Thomas, in your last pic from today, do you have something in mind for that "mouse hole", at the junction between the two cabinets.
Looks like a nice spot for that one of a kind NUT to roll into, never to be seen again.
Lovely bench by the way, color me green.
Nuts
Looks like a nice spot for that one of a kind NUT to roll into, never to be seen again.
Lovely bench by the way, color me green.
Nuts
hobbitss
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Thomas, in your last pic from today, do you have something in mind for that "mouse hole", at the junction between the two cabinets.
Looks like a nice spot for that one of a kind NUT to roll into, never to be seen again.
Lovely bench by the way, color me green.
Nuts
Mouse Hole.. LOL... I've been looking at that and thinking the same thing...
Bigpigdave
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Thomas, are you going to put full extension pull-out shelves in your cabinet? I built some pull-out shelves for my cabinets and love the easy access to items in the back. With todays great ball bearing slides you can support a good deal of weight and still have easy sliding shelves or drawers.
Dave
Dave
Wondering what happened to you. You skip checking in here on a timely basis at your own risk I guess?
Good thing Chris is so busy right now she doesn't even have time for an unannounced pop quiz! Welcome back. Thomas
Those are great suggestions Bill, thank you. I'd already bought two extra hinges and kept spare paperwork for just that reason, but didn't think about the drawer slides. I think that might be very worthwhile.
BTW Bill, I also got the "package" and it fits perfectly. I'll get it on here with a post with the Walker, which I'm slated to do some work on tomorrow.
Thomas
Thomas, in your last pic from today, do you have something in mind for that "mouse hole", at the junction between the two cabinets.
Looks like a nice spot for that one of a kind NUT to roll into, never to be seen again.
Lovely bench by the way, color me green.
Nuts
You guys are just waaaayyyy too observant. This is what is going to take care of....
...my mouse hole. I won't install it until the bench is stained and finished and in position. You fellows are like some former students I had who would ask questions about material I was going to cover later in the semester but they were asking questions about it NOW.
Thomas
So here's some additional BBB material...
Dave was wondering about the shelves. I'm afraid they aren't all swoopie and high tech pull outs.
But I did face them with solid maple. That way...
...when you look at them you don't see the nasty end grain.
Shoot I even notched them where necessary.
And they fit just swell and all...
...on one end I even double notched them.
Since the cabinets are so deep they're just half shelves and they'll do what I need done.
The cleat on the left side had to span the whole width of the cabinet since that's an end panel and I couldn't screw to the 1/2" center panel. On the others I used 1/2 cleats that stop just before the front edge of the shelf.
The maple 1/2" back on the long bench installed.
The rear leg like the one on the other end was notched...
...so the back plywood end grain...
...wouldn't show from the side.
With 3/4" maple plywood dividers every 1/3 of the way across the cabinet base and all the backs now installed on both bench cabinets it was all extremely strong, stable and rigid. Excellent qualities for a bench.
The saga will continue.
Thomas
Dave was wondering about the shelves. I'm afraid they aren't all swoopie and high tech pull outs.
But I did face them with solid maple. That way...
...when you look at them you don't see the nasty end grain.
Shoot I even notched them where necessary.
And they fit just swell and all...
...on one end I even double notched them.
Since the cabinets are so deep they're just half shelves and they'll do what I need done.
The cleat on the left side had to span the whole width of the cabinet since that's an end panel and I couldn't screw to the 1/2" center panel. On the others I used 1/2 cleats that stop just before the front edge of the shelf.
The maple 1/2" back on the long bench installed.
The rear leg like the one on the other end was notched...
...so the back plywood end grain...
...wouldn't show from the side.
With 3/4" maple plywood dividers every 1/3 of the way across the cabinet base and all the backs now installed on both bench cabinets it was all extremely strong, stable and rigid. Excellent qualities for a bench.
The saga will continue.
Thomas
robin1731
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I've installed hundreds of those hinges. Does your frinds shop have the machine that bores and then installs them? Or did you do it all by hand? It's been awhile and I forget the brand name but we called them European style hinges. They do work pretty well and the adjustability is nice. Looking good. I was a cabinet maker for close to 25 years.
Stuart in MN
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Boosted1
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I love this build. Thanks for posting. How are you going to move it? In 2 pieces?
stevelucc
New member
What a labor of love to do such a detailed job. My father had an old Texeco station back in the 50's and 60's and back in the day it never looked so good.
I've enjoyed reading this thread and joined on 2 Dec 2010 intending to come back and read more but the puter died and I lost everything in it. I just got to read the rest of it today. I'm off of turbobuick.com and I hope you realize the impact this thread has had to some of your readers.
I'll bet a bunch of guys are looking for old shops they can resto mod them selves now.
As for myself I understand what you do and why you do it. I'm doing a rustomod (yes I spelled it right) on an 83 Buick Regal T Type and it's getting some attention because I refuse to follow everyones ideas on how it should be done. I think some of your ideas are brillliant and you've put a lot of work into your hobby and taught others on how to do something really spectacular.
As far as the chebby, bring it to the Buick VS the world races this fall and see how well you do. And the ferd guys can bring their cars to the Buick VS ferd shootout in October at Noble race track just outside of Oky city.
I just got to read the rest of it today. I'm off of turbobuick.com and I hope you realize the impact this thread has had to some of your readers. I'll bet a bunch of guys are looking for old shops they can resto mod them selves now.As for myself I understand what you do and why you do it. I'm doing a rustomod (yes I spelled it right) on an 83 Buick Regal T Type and it's getting some attention because I refuse to follow everyones ideas on how it should be done. I think some of your ideas are brillliant and you've put a lot of work into your hobby and taught others on how to do something really spectacular.
As far as the chebby, bring it to the Buick VS the world races this fall and see how well you do.
And the ferd guys can bring their cars to the Buick VS ferd shootout in October at Noble race track just outside of Oky city.Nuts
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Thomas, I'm not surprised that you already have that block made.
Doug
Doug
Hi robin and no he didn't have anything fancy like that. We did them by hand though a jig was made to get the same repeatable spot marked on all the doors. The center was then center punched, just like you would metal and a Forstner Bit in a drill press with a depth stop set did the deed.
There are several manufacturers of the same basic hinge. I've always know them as European style hinges also. These have a very wide range of adjustment that made installing the doors quite easy and I was able to get all the gaps spot on. After 25 years I dare say you know what you're talking about. Thank you for dropping by the thread.
Thomas
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Also does a nice job of stiffening up the shelf so it won't sag under load.
Ah yes, that it does. That's referred to as a BB; Bonus Benefit!
Thanks Stuart
Thomas
Well thanks Boosted1. Yes I had to move it in 4 pieces actually. Each base and each top by themselves as you'll see shortly. The short bench and top weren't so bad but the long bad boy was a hand full...actually 8 hands full. It took 4 guys to move the long parts.
Did I mention it's going to be heavy and thus, stable??
Thomas
What a labor of love to do such a detailed job. My father had an old Texeco station back in the 50's and 60's and back in the day it never looked so good.
stevelucc you hit it right on the head, it was truly a labor of love. I note this is your first post so welcome to Garage Journal and this thread too. GJ is a terrific site with a bunch of very talented folks here who do some amazing things. I hope you come to visit often and when you do feel free to drop by the Restored 1930's Auto Shop. It seems we always have something going on here you're not likely to see anywhere else. Plus a bunch of smart guys here who don't let me get away with anything!
Before you know it someones going to notice on the Barn Bench that I plugged all the screw holes...
...in the cabinet openings and did I really sort through all the plugs to find those that matched the best...
...on the toe kicks and will want...
...details aaaallll about it...
...like are those cherry plugs on maple for a nice contrast?
And I won't mind one bit. I'm always honored when someone takes the effort to read my posts and then spend their time with a question or two. I've learned quite a lot here myself, the preverbal 2 way street as it were. Come for a visit often.
Thomas
The saga continues now... (I guess if you've stuck with it this long, you might as well ride it out to the end!)
That stack of drawers still needed faces installed.
These were the un-faced fronts...
...and these are the faces, drilled for the drawer pulls for those of you with good eye sight.
Here the face is being readied for installation. The narrow piece to the right is a jig...
...to insure the face is spaced correctly on the drawer front. This is a deep drawer and...
...this is a narrow drawer and this...
... is all of them...
...3/8" full overlay.
This better shows how the inside edge was eased over and a nice view of the face installed on the front.
All it really needs now...
... is a top.
Thomas
That stack of drawers still needed faces installed.
These were the un-faced fronts...
...and these are the faces, drilled for the drawer pulls for those of you with good eye sight.
Here the face is being readied for installation. The narrow piece to the right is a jig...
...to insure the face is spaced correctly on the drawer front. This is a deep drawer and...
...this is a narrow drawer and this...
... is all of them...
...3/8" full overlay.
This better shows how the inside edge was eased over and a nice view of the face installed on the front.
All it really needs now...
... is a top.
Thomas
I've enjoyed reading this thread and joined on 2 Dec 2010 intending to come back and read more but the puter died and I lost everything in it.
As for myself I understand what you do and why you do it. I'm doing a rustomod (yes I spelled it right) on an 83 Buick Regal T Type and it's getting some attention because I refuse to follow everyones ideas on how it should be done. I think some of your ideas are brillliant and you've put a lot of work into your hobby and taught others on how to do something really spectacular.
As far as the chebby, bring it to the Buick VS the world races this fall and see how well you do.
Congratulations charlief1 on sticking with it, coming back through great adversity and tremendous personal sacrifice to finally get all caught up to the thread at this point. Way to go!!
Your mother would be proud.I am getting the idea that, indeed, this thread has had some influence out there, but in a good way. All I ever wanted to do was show what I've done and why and hopefully that would result in saving some old shops and older equipment. There are certainly a few more Walker floor jacks being saved and I am grateful for that.
You'll have to fill me in on the Buick drag races. The little Chevy II would be proud to show it's
to a few of the Buick faithful, all in good fun mind you.All kidding aside, thank you for sticking with reading all of the thread and feeling it's been worth your time. We're far from finished here, so check back...but don't wait for 3 months like Vernmotor did, OK?
Thomas
...oh Chris, did you read where some guy thought "some of your ideas are brilliant"? Ya, I'm sure he was serious about it so just keep that thought in mind when I show up with the Caterpillar earthmover and start work on the runway 'K.
Love you sweetheart!!Congratulations charlief1 on sticking with it, coming back through great adversity and tremendous personal sacrifice to finally get all caught up to the thread at this point. Way to go!!
I am getting the idea that, indeed, this thread has had some influence out there, but in a good way. All I ever wanted to do was show what I've done and why and hopefully that would result in saving some old shops and older equipment. There are certainly a few more Walker floor jacks being saved and I am grateful for that.
You'll have to fill me in on the Buick drag races. The little Chevy II would be proud to show it's
All kidding aside, thank you for sticking with reading all of the thread and feeling it's been worth your time. We're far from finished here, so check back...but don't wait for 3 months like Vernmotor did, OK?
Thomas
Just for you Thomas.
It's a little different than most of the buick turbo cars since it's a draw through system. I had several years of research to figure out how to mod it but several members have helped me out for free. The site is about the same as this one since most of the members are willing to help a fellow member out if they can. If you're willing to click on the second link in my sig it will give you an idea of the hell I've gone through just trying to figure out the turbo. I wish I hadn't had the puter crash because I was gonna comment on the parts that were added to your drive on rack. It is a support brace so you won't have it drop on you while you're under it.http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/before-black-non-sfi-tech/322115-finally-got-some-time.html
One thing I will add is about the rust eliminator. I can get it here by the gallon and with 2 or 3 gallons and a deep pan it will eat the rust away. I tried it on my new frame and if you have a way to submurse (sp) it then you can get rid of it. I can give you the info if you're interested.
hobbitss
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Just for you Thomas.
http://www.turbobuick.com/forums/before-black-non-sfi-tech/322115-finally-got-some-time.html
One thing I will add is about the rust eliminator. I can get it here by the gallon and with 2 or 3 gallons and a deep pan it will eat the rust away. I tried it on my new frame and if you have a way to submurse (sp) it then you can get rid of it. I can give you the info if you're interested.
I have one of those Intake manifolds complete with Turbo and 4 Barrel Carb... From a 78 T-type IIRC...
I have one of those Intake manifolds complete with Turbo and 4 Barrel Carb... From a 78 T-type IIRC...
Join the board and see waht you can do with it then.
I'm gonna stop hijacking Thomas' thread now but I wanted to do one more thing.Hey Joe, I've got a bunch of older tools like a shingle knife used with a hammer.
wrigh003
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The bench is gorgeous. Can’t wait to see it finished and installed.
I recently built a new cabinet to go above my fridge as part of my never-finished kitchen remodel, but that was/is just paint-grade pine and plywood with a few pocket screws and some prefab doors. It’ll do, but it’s not anything like this.
Well done!
Motown 454
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Amazing job! They look great.
Yet another new member - I heard about it from TurboBuick.com too, (Hi Charlie!) I recently acquired another turbo Buick, this one is an 87 Grand National. Be careful with the little V6 Buicks at the track. 
Thank you so much for taking the time to chronicle your adventures - I am living vicariously through them. You and Chris' posts have inspired me, and made me think about my priorities and how I spend my "leisure" time. I really appreciate your mentoring of your son - that's priceless. Now I want to restore the old tools I have.
Kudos to you and yours - I am honored to be able to partake.
Thank you so much for taking the time to chronicle your adventures - I am living vicariously through them. You and Chris' posts have inspired me, and made me think about my priorities and how I spend my "leisure" time. I really appreciate your mentoring of your son - that's priceless. Now I want to restore the old tools I have.
Kudos to you and yours - I am honored to be able to partake.
Yet another new member - I heard about it from TurboBuick.com too, (Hi Charlie!) I recently acquired another turbo Buick, this one is an 87 Grand National. Be careful with the little V6 Buicks at the track.
Thank you so much for taking the time to chronicle your adventures - I am living vicariously through them. You and Chris' posts have inspired me, and made me think about my priorities and how I spend my "leisure" time. I really appreciate your mentoring of your son - that's priceless. Now I want to restore the old tools I have.
Kudos to you and yours - I am honored to be able to partake.
Well there goes the neighborhood.
Glad you joined up and I'm suprised more haven't, considering the detail Thomas has put into the resto.
The bench is gorgeous. Can’t wait to see it finished and installed.
I recently built a new cabinet to go above my fridge as part of my never-finished kitchen remodel, but that was/is just paint-grade pine and plywood with a few pocket screws and some prefab doors. It’ll do, but it’s not anything like this.
Well done!
Hi wright003 and way to go on building your own cabinet. No matter how fancy you still get a great feeling of accomplishment don't you?
The Barn Bench is turning out rather swell, thank you. I am also looking forward to seeing it done and in use. It should happen soon I would hope.
Thomas
Yet another new member - I heard about it from TurboBuick.com too, (Hi Charlie!) I recently acquired another turbo Buick, this one is an 87 Grand National. Be careful with the little V6 Buicks at the track.
Thank you so much for taking the time to chronicle your adventures - I am living vicariously through them. You and Chris' posts have inspired me, and made me think about my priorities and how I spend my "leisure" time. I really appreciate your mentoring of your son - that's priceless. Now I want to restore the old tools I have.
Kudos to you and yours - I am honored to be able to partake.
Welcome Supersix to our world here. All TurboBuick folks would be most welcome as well. I think the regular, semi regular and folks who drop by once a year here all seem to be great fellows and normally have something very positive to contribute. That's one of the strengths of this thread I feel. We all learn from each other.
Chris, my son and I certainly have had an adventure out at the property and in other ways. It's been equally fun sharing it here with everyone and meeting a few of you as well.
Thank you for joining in here and come visit often. See you in the staging lanes.
Thomas