hobbitss
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Score... My Dad has some like those... Good sturdy tools...
Above 1200 Sq/FT Restored 1930's Auto Shop
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Score... My Dad has some like those... Good sturdy tools...
Well it's not that old as far as tools but here's one that might make you feel better Joe.
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mdbeck1
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Bless your heart Joe, you have the patience of a saint and I'm not kidding.
I just finished my annual simulator training (a multiple day event), where we do emergency, unusual system malfunctions and normal procedures training and evaluations in a simulator. It's stressful at times and preparing for it removes me from circulation for a while until it's all done. I don't even turn on a computer to stay focused. This year with the merger, some of our procedures have changed and that took some extra preparation. Those procedures were implemented about a week before I left for training and so I didn't have much real world practice with them. With good preparation all went very well and I have been blessed for yet another year. As such I'll get back to business here.
To that end I've been trying to contact the Lisle Tool Co. to see what...
... this was used for. I'm completely stymied.
Thomas
You'll have to give us more views of it than that. I've seen some ancient grease guns that look like that. Also I've seen some pictures of WWII fire extinguishers (on ships) that looked kinda like that.
Do they have some kind of seal inside to use as a pump maybe?
BigAl62
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Well it's not that old as far as tools but here's one that might make you feel better Joe.
I haven't seen those tools for quite a while, GM carb tools right?
Right on target Al. They're had to find now and since I do a lot of work on E4ME carbs I needed a full set. It even has the TBI tools so I can work on some of them as well.
To that end I've been trying to contact the Lisle Tool Co. to see what...
... this was used for. I'm completely stymied.
Thomas
Okay, here's my guess; perhaps these were used to set cylinder sleeves in a block? Are they heavy? Different sizes?
One of 'em looks machined toward the top, the other one, well, it just looks rusty! But seeing the bar in the box makes me realize that it's not that.
Jeez, with all the folks looking at this thread, Shirley, you'd think that someone would have come up with the definitive answer by now?
Well that's what I thought too oberst and oh, by the way-don't call me Shirley!
The original post on these tools was on page 134, post #2673, last March and I figured Shirley someone would spot it and let us know. In the absence of that I've been trying to get hold of someone at Lisle Tool who might know. They are not found in their latest tool/equipment listings.
If we collectively can figure out that tank engine manifold Shirley we can get this one too.
Thomas
OK so I was headed out to the tool shed to continue cleaning and sorting when a close friend calls up and wants to stop by the shop. He had this in tow...
...a 1969 Chevelle SS 396/375, L78...
...that's all original, not restored...
...right down to all the hoses, clamps etc. He was having a engine issue that he wanted to have looked into before going to a large national Muscle Car/ Corvette show this weekend. It'll be in the "survivor" area.
Bench seat 4 speed SS is kind of unusual. Since he Pure Stock Drag Races it (high 12's), he did add a vintage Sun tach. Well what kind of a friend would I be to not take some time to hash out and resolve the problem with him so Joe, that's why I don't have some additional tool pictures for you today. That was the plan but sometimes...
...other things come up. If you could have heard those solid lifters and the exhaust echoing in the shop you'd understand completely, honest. After all, tomorrow is another day. 
Thomas
...a 1969 Chevelle SS 396/375, L78...
...that's all original, not restored...
...right down to all the hoses, clamps etc. He was having a engine issue that he wanted to have looked into before going to a large national Muscle Car/ Corvette show this weekend. It'll be in the "survivor" area.
Bench seat 4 speed SS is kind of unusual. Since he Pure Stock Drag Races it (high 12's), he did add a vintage Sun tach. Well what kind of a friend would I be to not take some time to hash out and resolve the problem with him so Joe, that's why I don't have some additional tool pictures for you today. That was the plan but sometimes...
...other things come up.
If you could have heard those solid lifters and the exhaust echoing in the shop you'd understand completely, honest. After all, tomorrow is another day. Thomas
mdbeck1
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Take a look back at page 134, post #2673 and let us know, will ya?
Thomas
The pics helped a little bit. Does this look familiar? http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/antique-vintage-wooden-lisle-tool-box-114598028. It kinda looks like the box that you have.
The google foo was not that powerful tonight. Gotta go to work tomorrow so I had better sign off and get some rest. I should see my Dad over the holidays. I'll show him a picture and see if he has any idea.
Bob Heine
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Thomas, that Chevelle brings back memories. My wife and I went shopping for our first new car in 1967. The 1968 models were out and I was ready to buy a Chevelle SS396. We wanted bucket seats and a console but they were an extra cost option. The engine was also a big ticket item. Went from the Chevrolet dealer to the Pontiac dealer and the GTO ended up cheaper than the Chevelle. The 400 ci engine was standard, as were the buckets and console (no-cost delete if you wanted the bench seat). With power steering and automatic (with dual gate Hurst shifter) the GTO, at $3,500 was $200 less than the similarly-equipped Chevelle. Not much in today's world but I earned less than $6,000 a year back then. Two week's pay put the Chevelle in second place.
The dimensions' sound about right but the box in question doesn't have any dovetail corners nor does the box have any Lisle markings on it of any sort, just the cylinders do. My location prevents me from measuring it right now, but I will when I am able. It would be interesting if they matched up with the auction box, 31" X 6" x 5". I moved the box today into the barn and cleaned the inside out, nothing revealed in there either. The weighted cylinders with handles do have some numbers inscribed on them that I took to be the diameter of the cylinder. I didn't have my camera with me so I didn't get any pictures of those numbers, but both cylinders had the same ones. oberst idea of using them to install cylinder liners seems plausible enough. The very top has a ridge that would mate with the liner. But I would have thought liners would be pressed in with a press and not with hand pressure, note the handles.
We'll get it in time I'm sure or my name isn't Shirley...To be continued....
Thomas
Good thought but the makings on them don't have any corresponding weight numbers and that pointed rod is a puzzle as well.
At one time they were finely machined, more than a scale standard would need I'm guessing but who knows, you might still be right. I removed the box from the tool shed and removed everything and then cleaned the box out before I put it in the barn. Thus having spent a bit of time with it I don't have any past experience that would clue me in to it's use. If I can email a picture or two to Lisle, someone there will know instantly I bet. Thanks omr for your input.
Thomas
tdkkart
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He was having a engine issue that he wanted to have looked into before going to a large national Muscle Car/ Corvette show this weekend. It'll be in the "survivor" area.
He's GONNA have an engine issue if he takes that 7000rpm red pointer on that tach as gospel with a stock 396.
The Chevelle really closely matches one that my cousin had in high school, what started as a really decent car got trashed in short order.
oberst idea of using them to install cylinder liners seems plausible enough. The very top has a ridge that would mate with the liner. But I would have thought liners would be pressed in with a press and not with hand pressure, note the handles.
To be continued....
Thomas
This is very feasable Thomas. The reason I can say this is some of the older engines used a hand pressed liner in them. My uncles old Farmall Super A had liners with o rings on them so you could remove them or replace them with out a machine shop involved. I also helped rebuild an old cotten gin diesel that had hand pressed liners in it.
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snip . . . But I would have thought liners would be pressed in with a press and not with hand pressure, note the handles.
To be continued....
Thomas
Maybe not hand pressure, but gravity? Sort of 'pile drive' the new sleeve into the block?
I'm picturing a tractor or some such, out in the field, where a duff piston and cylinder could be repaired without taking the engine to a machine shop?
Too bad the bar isn't a slide puller; that might make our scenario more plausible.
Time to call the Hardy Boys. This is a real mystery.
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Vernmotor
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Big block 4 speed car ! Got to love them..had alot of fun driving them..broke them all .but had fun doing it !! I am pretty good with a stick !!
Nice memories there Bob. When we look back at the small prices for such significant upgrades it's amazing that we didn't think we could afford them. When Chris and I ordered our first new, new car in the 70's we debated long and hard about whether we could afford the AM/FM radio or just the AM one. The cost difference was less than $10 as I recall but we really weren't sure it was in our budget. Turns out we decided we could afford the FM but I understand completely why you went with the GTO. If only we knew then what we know now!!
Thomas
They look similar to a piston pin hole machining gauge for a piston on something big like a diesel truck engine...yeah that would be my guess!
This is very feasable Thomas. The reason I can say this is some of the older engines used a hand pressed liner in them. My uncles old Farmall Super A had liners with o rings on them so you could remove them or replace them with out a machine shop involved. I also helped rebuild an old cotten gin diesel that had hand pressed liners in it.
Once we do definitively solve this one we're all gonna collectively go "oh ya, I see that now" aren't we?
Thomas
He's GONNA have an engine issue if he takes that 7000rpm red pointer on that tach as gospel with a stock 396.
The Chevelle really closely matches one that my cousin had in high school, what started as a really decent car got trashed in short order.
tdkkart, it's my understanding that's in the neighborhood about where he shifts it.
He's been pure stock racing it for over 15 years now so who am I to question what works. As I recall when talking with him about that, he was mumbling something about no guts; no glory or words to that effect.
A couple of years ago we got to do a series of "best of three" runs together at Martin, MI. Small block, little old ladies car vrs svelte, **** big block hunk of chick magnet car. He beat me by .0007 in the first run. I came back and took him by .0006 in the second and even closer beating him by .0003 in the third. Those are all 10 thousands of a second margin and neither of us knew who won till we got the timing slips. We both wondered what would happen if it read .0000 difference, dead heat I suppose? To date both of us agree that's been the high point of our budding drag racing careers. Very memorable but more importantly great fun.
Thomas
fastbroshi
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This is the shop work truck and I'm pretty sure it's vehicle the Willy's engine sitting on the north room floor came from.....Just might try to find another one and restore it to look like this. I've been know to do such foolish things!!
Thomas
Well?
I just got back from Brazil and see oberst got the goods, so to speak, on this one. Nice job!
Well you start looking at the tools left over in a repair shop that operated in the 1940's and yes it does and makes perfect sense to be for engines from the 30's and 40's. I had thought as much at first but completely dismissed it due to the handle on each. I thought that cylinder liners would be a press fit that would have required a mechanical press of some sort. I am aware that interference fits change dramatically with slight temperature changes but still, an engine cylinder liner? Still don't know what...
...the tapered rod would have been used for and why there were two cylinders to install liners? Wouldn't you have installed them one at a time?
Some of you machinist out there might enlighten the rest of us. Here's another chance for fame and glory! Since these were machined to a precise tolerance I guess restoring them with powder coating is out of the question, huh?
I expect I'll use a rust dissolver perhaps like Evapo Rust or something that only removes rust but leaves any other finishes intact as these had a satin finish of some sort on them. Thanks again everyone for all your inputs.
Thomas
I just got back from Brazil and see oberst got the goods, so to speak, on this one. Nice job!
Well you start looking at the tools left over in a repair shop that operated in the 1940's and yes it does and makes perfect sense to be for engines from the 30's and 40's. I had thought as much at first but completely dismissed it due to the handle on each. I thought that cylinder liners would be a press fit that would have required a mechanical press of some sort. I am aware that interference fits change dramatically with slight temperature changes but still, an engine cylinder liner? Still don't know what...
...the tapered rod would have been used for and why there were two cylinders to install liners? Wouldn't you have installed them one at a time?
Since these were machined to a precise tolerance I guess restoring them with powder coating is out of the question, huh?
Thanks again everyone for all your inputs.
Thomas
Thomas, aren't the cylinders different sizes? I could believe there were only two bores on 30s/40s Ford motors.
Congrats on your annual, by the way
Domel
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I've just read first page.
Incredible work and rebuilt
CONGRATS!
Incredible work and rebuilt
CONGRATS!
Well?
fastbroshi, I see you are a man of few words, but your question was still succinct, directly to the point.
I do a casual search for Willy's pick ups every now and then, preferring a 1949 as that is what the original was but haven't found any likely candidates yet. When the right one comes along I believe I'll do my best to acquire it and then replicate the original shop truck, paint color, lettering and all, probably using the flat head V8-60 in it that was left in the shop as was suggesting by someone here a while back. I owned a 1949 Willy's Jeepster even before I was married and had it for over 20 years. I still have a fondness for that year. My searching so far has shown that they are hard to find and generally have lead a very rugged life. Yes I would say that's in the cards and what I have in mind would really be a fun, cool project. Thanks for the inquiry.
Thomas
I've heard of that show, but don't they "steal" the car in question and then Pimp it out? I wonder if Mr Johnson ever envisioned that his garage would someday be referred to as being Pimped Out?
Thomas
Thomas, aren't the cylinders different sizes? I could believe there were only two bores on 30s/40s Ford motors.
Congrats on your annual, by the way
Thanks markszabo. No matter how much prepping you do for your annual proficiency check, it's still stressful. Everyone tries to do a good job, perfect in fact, but that's an elusive goal it seems. The whole process of conducting a commercial flight involves an immense amount of details. Having done them literally hundreds if not thousands of times, many of those details become as second nature as walking itself. Then, when something out of the "norm" happens, all that extra training really does come into play. It's very satisfying when you hit most everything correctly and it all goes just the way it's suppose to.
While I was there, I did manage to get into our new 787 simulator by the way. That's going to be an impressive aircraft. Ours are being equipped with a "Heads Up Display" - HUD - that should make landing in even the most foul weather somewhat routine. I've got a few years left in my career so we'll see how the company deploys them before I make a decision to fly it or not. Since I know it's going to Auckland, that might be a good way to visit Sick Puppy and others over in that part of the world.
Now to your question of the cylinder liner installation tool sizes; as I recall the size numbers on both were identical which was puzzling.
Once I get home I'll take a closer, more deliberate look to confirm that. Now about the use of that tapered rod.................??Thomas
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Vernmotor
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Tapered rod is to take them out.. I think also if one has a lip on it diff..might be to start them in ? just a SWAG
I've just read first page.
Incredible work and rebuilt
CONGRATS!
Welcome Domel to the thread. You've got just a BUNCH of reading ahead of you.
Don't forget to take notes because Chris is slowly refining that thread test of hers. Wouldn't be a bit surprised to see it pop up here one of these days.I see you have a fondness for '64's also. Good man!
Thomas
They both have a lip on the very top that engages the liner, that I see.
The rod shows no sign of wear on it anywhere. Hummmmmmmmmm?
Thomas
ihredo4
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When I install the sleeves in my old Farmall tractors. Dry sleeves by the way. I match the sleeve to the cylinder so that I can press the sleeve in by hand. Makes removal much easier later in life. A good friend who restores Allis Chalmers tractors does the same thing. Maybe that is what these sleeve installers are for. That handle sure woud make the hand feel alot better when pressing the sleeve in.
No question those handles would make sleeve installation easier and if early Ford V8's were re-sleeved by hand, which now seems to be the case, these would work well. They are well balanced, very heavy with the handles designed to put pressure at the center of the installation tool. Wonder if they're the correct size for my V8-60 flat head?
I'll have to check that out next time I get the chance. Thomas
Vernmotor
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Told ya LOL
PureSilver
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This is such a good idea I can't stop smiling just thinking about it.
This thread provides more definitive answers than the rest of the internet combined. The mind boggles...