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Cool story!! When I was a young sheet metal apprentice I worked at a place that did industrial dust collection and material handling systems. We built our own monster fans, dust collectors etc. We had to have a lot of flanges and things machined. We took everything to an old machine shop called Fluckingers on Airport Way in Seattle by Boeing. Not a piece of modern equipment in the place. Everything ran off shafts and pulleys at the ceiling. I can still hear those belts slappin' and smell the oil soaked wood floors. And they did awesome work. I suppose it's gone by now but thanks for dredging up some memories!
 
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Tom,

Thanks for sharing these very heart-warming memories with your friends on this Board. There's probably not too many dry eyes around here, at this moment! The men, the photos, & your memories made this a very special tale.
 

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Hello Thomas !
What a great bit of personal history and photographs !
If I'm not mistaken the saw mill was at Valentines Orchard in Monticello ?
The brick house still stands , but I'm not sure about any of the mill.
I know one of the family members , I'll find out if any still exists and try to get some current photos of the place.
Thanks again !

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Very nice story thanks for sharing it, I wish I had gone over to the old sawmill I had spotted by my uncles house in mt. Vernon IL. It looked like a similar setup but was larger they had an old 52 ford dump truck that was beat up dented and rusty but was still used to haul stuff around the mill. It would have been cool just to look around, maby learn something.
oh and by the way a smaller gas engine to start a larger engine is called a pony motor, this was done due to the lack of strong electric starters, this had several advantages however. In some cases the small gas engine preheated the intake manifold and coolant for the larger engine while cranking to help with a cold start, also allowed almost limitless cranking and helped to keep a struggling motor to keep turning over.
 

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Fascinating story again Thomas!!

There used to be an old sawmill in my village, but it was knocked down about 15/16 years ago. Sadly I didn't have the interest I do now or I would have loved a poke around it :(
 

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Great story and history, Thomas. Thanks for sharing. Makes me remember my days in the School of Forestry and touring saw mills large and small. And starting that Cat, I worked on a farm that had a crawling one of those and remember that starting process - the way that diesel would chug to life when you threw the levers to switch from the gas engine to the diesel. Great memories. Again, thanks.
 

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Wow . . . thanks for extending the story of the walnut lumber, Thomas! What's next. "Cant" wait! Looking forward to each new installment from you and Chris.
 
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Hello Thomas !
What a great bit of personal history and photographs !
If I'm not mistaken the saw mill was at Valentines Orchard in Monticello ?
The brick house still stands , but I'm not sure about any of the mill.
I know one of the family members , I'll find out if any still exists and try to get some current photos of the place.
Thanks again !

Craig

Craig you are correct sir, that's the place. His mill was just behind the red brick house to the west. I don't know if you are aware but Bob was quite the fiddle player. On a few occasions we would work late and he'd invite us back to the house for a modest meal together, supper as he called it, and then Dad and I would try to coax him into playing for us and he always would. A whole different side to him would come out when he was playing. He was an accomplished fiddler and apparently was well known in local barn dancing circles playing frequently. You'd never guess that unless you spent some time getting to know him. I wonder how many people just had him cut lumber and never knew?

If you could check with the family for any followup information and or pictures I'm sure there are a few here who would be interested. Thank you Craig.

Thomas
 
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Cool story!! When I was a young sheet metal apprentice I worked at a place that did industrial dust collection and material handling systems. We built our own monster fans, dust collectors etc. We had to have a lot of flanges and things machined. We took everything to an old machine shop called Fluckingers on Airport Way in Seattle by Boeing. Not a piece of modern equipment in the place. Everything ran off shafts and pulleys at the ceiling. I can still hear those belts slappin' and smell the oil soaked wood floors. And they did awesome work. I suppose it's gone by now but thanks for dredging up some memories!

Those memories never go away do they Paul? It's interesting what triggers them too isn't it? We're both fortunate enough to have seen and experianced a slice of Americana that is rapidly disappearing.

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Tom,

Thanks for sharing these very heart-warming memories with your friends on this Board. There's probably not too many dry eyes around here, at this moment! The men, the photos, & your memories made this a very special tale.

Special times for me and I bet a few people were wondering what in the world that saw mill had to do with Mr Johnson's shop. About 300' behind the Restored shop...

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...is an awful lot of Bob's handy work. Maybe that's a stretch but I just decided to share it anyway. Thanks everyone for indulging me.

Thomas
 
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Very nice story thanks for sharing it, I wish I had gone over to the old sawmill I had spotted by my uncles house in mt. Vernon IL. It looked like a similar setup but was larger they had an old 52 ford dump truck that was beat up dented and rusty but was still used to haul stuff around the mill. It would have been cool just to look around, maby learn something.
oh and by the way a smaller gas engine to start a larger engine is called a pony motor, this was done due to the lack of strong electric starters, this had several advantages however. In some cases the small gas engine preheated the intake manifold and coolant for the larger engine while cranking to help with a cold start, also allowed almost limitless cranking and helped to keep a struggling motor to keep turning over.

Fascinating story again Thomas!!

There used to be an old sawmill in my village, but it was knocked down about 15/16 years ago. Sadly I didn't have the interest I do now or I would have loved a poke around it :(

There are still places like those around but they'er getting fewer by the day. I love to go poking around the back roads, especially when I'm driving an old car. That old car opens doors for me that might not otherwise have been open.

Thomas
 

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There are still places like those around but they'er getting fewer by the day. I love to go poking around the back roads, especially when I'm driving an old car. That old car opens doors for me that might not otherwise have been open.

Thomas

If you're ever in teh Nashville area drive down to Columbia and take the road from it to Hoenwald. It's a real town. There's an old two man operation there and with the amish in the area they still operate old water mills in some places.:)
 
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Great story and history, Thomas. Thanks for sharing. Makes me remember my days in the School of Forestry and touring saw mills large and small. And starting that Cat, I worked on a farm that had a crawling one of those and remember that starting process - the way that diesel would chug to life when you threw the levers to switch from the gas engine to the diesel. Great memories. Again, thanks.

Not only do I love the sound of an old aircraft radial engine coughing to life but starting a big, old diesel does wonders too. Especially when it's a little cold and it'd bark and belch at you but eventually come around. Very rewarding.

Thomas
 
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Wow . . . thanks for extending the story of the walnut lumber, Thomas! What's next. "Cant" wait! Looking forward to each new installment from you and Chris.

"Cant" wait, "Sick-o-more", you guys are all just a bunch of frustrated comedians are you? :lol:

I've got more coming so don't use up all your "A" material just yet, OK?

Thomas
 
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If you're ever in teh Nashville area drive down to Columbia and take the road from it to Hoenwald. It's a real town. There's an old two man operation there and with the amish in the area they still operate old water mills in some places.:)

I've never seen a water powered mill in action so that might be worth the trip. With Bob's passing I've used an Amish mill the last few years. He cut all the oak boards that I made the trim from in the old shop and the oak overhead beam in the lift room. That mill is a small one man operation also but doesn't have the character that Bob's did. Nice fellow though and does good work.

Thomas
 

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Hello Thomas !
Well I spoke to Bob Valentines nephew today.
Sadly none of the mill no longer exists on the site. The house still stands today as a rental property. The equipment was sold off and Greg thought it ended up somewhere in my neck of the woods. If I understood correctly the diesel power plant went to someone else.
This might turn in to a slightly different version of the belly tanker.
Current photos of the mill would be neat to have if it still exists.

Craig
 
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Hello Thomas !
Well I spoke to Bob Valentines nephew today.
Sadly none of the mill no longer exists on the site. The house still stands today as a rental property. The equipment was sold off and Greg thought it ended up somewhere in my neck of the woods. If I understood correctly the diesel power plant went to someone else.
This might turn in to a slightly different version of the belly tanker.
Current photos of the mill would be neat to have if it still exists.

Craig

Thanks Craig for being a roving reporter and that update "from out in the field". If you should happen to go looking for the mill this might help...

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...here's an up close and personal look at the saw blade. I laid my glove on top of it to show scale. Good luck with the search and keep in touch. We have enquiring minds and we want to know! :D

Thomas
 
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This thread continues to deliver...thanks for sharing Bob's story, Thomas.

Great Story Thomas. I was sad to see it end.

Well that's a relief, thanks for the feedback. I was a little concerned with how the story of Bob and his mill might be received by everyone. Didn't know if it might seem I was drifting too far from the subject at hand. I guessed correctly there would be some interest so many thanks again. :)

I've just finished a couple more projects and the stain is drying as we speak. Couple coats of finish and I'll get those posted on here.

Thomas
 
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Hi Thomas, the pre-drilled hole to lift the masonite sheets got my attention as I faced a similar issue. My 'cure' was to use those double suckers that you use for lifting sheet metal, glass sheets and alike.


Of course, with my razor-like aircrew brain I thought of it straight away... err, well after a few years or so and err, well the wife may have suggested it....
 

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Tom I don't think there is anything you could not talk about. That would not interested us. The life story's are great. I enjoy almost everything you post. Jamie
 
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Hi Thomas, the pre-drilled hole to lift the masonite sheets got my attention as I faced a similar issue. My 'cure' was to use those double suckers that you use for lifting sheet metal, glass sheets and alike.


Of course, with my razor-like aircrew brain I thought of it straight away... err, well after a few years or so and err, well the wife may have suggested it....

Hello Robbie, you know there is always the old standby of turning the bench upside down and shaking the offending piece loose.... but then I thought pre-drilling a hole to be easier. Then again what do I know, being the poor pilot in all this. :D Thanks for the note.

Shiny side up, rubber side down, eh?

Thomas
 

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Tom I don't think there is anything you could not talk about. That would not interested us. The life story's are great. I enjoy almost everything you post. Jamie

Ditto that!

Thomas you just have a way of putting things across which is just a pleasure to read. Anyway, all of it is related to the 'shop(s) in some way or another.

Keep up the work :)
 

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Thomas, I can only imagine the impact on a young man (you), that you experienced while watching the interaction between two 'seasoned' craftsmen; your dad and Bob, the sawyer.

Growing up without a father, I paid close attention to the fathers of my friends who taught ethics by example. Even though I'm no 'spring chicken', I still remember those individuals who had done so.

P.S. - Thanks for doing up the costs on the four tables. I've never had any powder-coating done; the charge for the job seems very reasonable!

Cost per table = 'meh' ---- Job Satisfaction = 'PRICELESS'
 

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On a side note, I was doing some googling on welding classes in my area and I ran across a post in a forum from maybe 6 years ago. Some schlub by the handle BB767 was looking for classes, and I think his name was Tom too. I wonder if he's any good at it these days.
 
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What now, page 3? Thomas, where are you? I need my fix!

Hello babaluba, I was off flying doing my day(night) job, but I'm home now. Thank you so much for the vote of support! :D I'm headed out to the shop at present but I'll do my very best to get something on here later. Much appreciated my friend. ;)

Thomas
 

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No problem. Well, an addiction is always a problem. However, this problem is something I just will have to learn to live with. You know, as they say. As long as the product is good, the customers will always come back!
 
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To continue with the ongoing saga of the old shop, here are more period shop photographs, starting around 30 years ago in the early 1980's.

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Here, a 1968 Roadrunner is on the lift. This shows the left rear of the lift and note the lift wheel chock is in view and working, though the roller on the bottom of the counter weight is rusted and doesn't turn.

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For those of you in California and the South West and unfamiliar, that's called "body rust". It use to be a fact of life on cars east of the Rockies. Nasty stuff that. Not nearly as much of a problem any more thankfully. Auto manufacturers are doing a much better job building vehicles that resist rust now.

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If any work was performed with the wheels off the car, it would need to be blocked up. Here the wood blocking is set on a piece of channel that spans both ramps. I've still got that channel and one that was used for the front ramps if all 4 wheels were removed while a vehicle was on the lift.

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When I was reworking the Chevy II, removing all the old undercoating with the wheels off...

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...to better access the wheel well openings, I still used wood blocking to support it while on the lift but didn't need to use the steel channel to span both ramps. Here the rear brake drum just sits on blocks which are on the ramp.

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This is showing some work being done on a backhoe bucket at the rear of the lift room, the lift is up in the air for more floor space. The interesting thing here is circled in yellow. Note the counter weight on the right side rear wheel chock is missing. It became rusted and didn't work so it was torched off at some point. :eek: This was done long before my buddy from out there had any memory of it. He remembers it was always gone and that wheel chock never worked.

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So as you might remember I had that counter weight replicated exactly as the original and restored that wheel chock so it would function again as new. That chock hadn't worked in over 50 years before I did the restoration.

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Here's a little project they did out there, making charcoal starters. Charcoal would be placed in the tube which had a grill bottom and then a lit propane torch would be placed at the bottom where there's an arched opening. Once the charcoal was burning well the tube could be picked up, the wood handle insulated the heat from the hot charcoal and it could all be dumped into a proper charcoal grill.

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Here are several starters on the lift ramp that have been manufactured.

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The same area of the lift today.

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This is a brake drum with legs welded on the bottom of it sitting on the lift ramp. It's holding charcoal and I believe lunch is being cooked.

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Here's the same lift ramp 30+ years later, minus the brake drum. The black stripe on the left of the lift is rubber from tires rubbing the inside of the ramp lip when cars are driven on or off.

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Yes lunch is definitely being cooked on the lift, hot dogs if I'm not mistaken with the buns being toasted as well. First class all the way! :) Note the hooks on the wall holding the welding helmet.

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Flash forward 30+ years to the same spot. Those are the same hooks in the same holes that were holding the welding helmet. I did use larger stainless steel washers on them however. Look closely at the mirror in the window and you'll see me holding the original photograph trying to compose the picture from the same angle. Some things are the same and some have changed in the intervening years. I really like contrasting those two photographs. I believe it shows the spirit of the old shop is still alive and well today. The same and yet different but all in a good way. The saga continues.....

Thomas
 
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Cool update Thomas, I love the pics that are the same but in different time periods.:rocker:
 

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Hello Thomas !
That last photo in post 4632 is too fascinating.
The Sun machine sitting there in all its original patinaed glory , the Pepsi machine ( with those glass bottles of Mt Dew just taunting me ). The stunning red workhorse of a lift that has supported the weight of some many long forgotten vehichles ....

and hotdogs.
Your reflection in the mirror holding an original photo of the space is ..
well , I dunno. All of this in the restored space.
For a second , it was almost like time travel had happened.

Craig
 
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Thomas, I can only imagine the impact on a young man (you), that you experienced while watching the interaction between two 'seasoned' craftsmen; your dad and Bob, the sawyer.

Growing up without a father, I paid close attention to the fathers of my friends who taught ethics by example. Even though I'm no 'spring chicken', I still remember those individuals who had done so.

P.S. - Thanks for doing up the costs on the four tables. I've never had any powder-coating done; the charge for the job seems very reasonable!

Cost per table = 'meh' ---- Job Satisfaction = 'PRICELESS'

Omphaloskeptic, even at the time I knew it was special. You could tell right away both men respected each other's expertise and I saw the cooperative exchange of ideas for the common good. The end result was completely satisfying for all of us every time we went to Bob's which we did even if it was just to visit.

I think I've been able to convey here my respect and admiration for my father, Mr.Johnson and now Bob. Those guys just oozed with ethics and good morals and lived them every day. Something I just thought of as I write this. I tried calling Dad by his first name a time or two when I was in my late teens, early twenties and he never said a thing about it. Still it just didn't seem right to me and I stopped doing it after a very short time. I never called Mr. Johnson anything but Mr. Johnson but Bob was, well... always Bob with no disrespect intended nor none taken. Interesting, yes? I've tried to lead by example for my son but it's up to him to live his life as he sees it.

I know I seem to have something of a reputation for powder coating everything that isn't nailed down but I'm lucky in that Rick and his crew do great work at what I feel are very reasonable prices. Don does superb work at his shop as well but he's more custom oriented and therefore a bit higher in cost. Once I saw what results I could expect from powder coating that has been my first choice. It works good and lasts a long time. :thumbup:

Thomas
 
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On a side note, I was doing some googling on welding classes in my area and I ran across a post in a forum from maybe 6 years ago. Some schlub by the handle BB767 was looking for classes, and I think his name was Tom too. I wonder if he's any good at it these days.

They say there's a twin out there for everyone. That is a interesting side note fastbroshi. Did you hear the music from the Twilight Zone (
) softly in the background as you read it? :dunno:

Thanks.

Thomas
 
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No problem. Well, an addiction is always a problem. However, this problem is something I just will have to learn to live with. You know, as they say. As long as the product is good, the customers will always come back!

babaluba there are positive addictions ( Chris comes to mind right away for one :) ) and then there are negative ones. You get to decide which one it is reading about the shop. :D As always I do appreciate the support so don't go away, more is on the way.

Thomas
 
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Hello Thomas (again)

Twilight Zone , time travel , mirrors , Mt Dew.
Got off the Journal a bit ago to run to the store.
Do you realize how LONG its been since these have been bottled in glass ?
Next thing we know , a belly tanker is going to surface in Philo.

Craig
 

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The only thing I'd be worried about is cooking with a brake drum since there may have been asbestos in it. Interesting idea though.:)
 

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Hello Thomas !
That last photo in post 4632 is too fascinating.
The Sun machine sitting there in all its original patinaed glory , the Pepsi machine ( with those glass bottles of Mt Dew just taunting me ). The stunning red workhorse of a lift that has supported the weight of some many long forgotten vehichles ....

and hotdogs.
Your reflection in the mirror holding an original photo of the space is ..
well , I dunno. All of this in the restored space.
For a second , it was almost like time travel had happened.

Craig

Thomas, I share Craig's (Amitygravel) sentiment exactly. In fact, the before/after comparisons you make throughout the whole story are a major draw, for me. To be able to stand where others have stood and appreciate, in even the slightest manner, what they were doing in the pursuit of their lives, from their perspective (of view), is very special. Inspirational, indeed!

Thanks,
 
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