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I'll chime in here, I am Tom's neighbor and the guy he called to help with the welding table, I can confirm it is heavy! As a former Printing Equipment Technician I have moved some very heavy equipment in my years, so the table didn't concern me too much, but with Tom's attention to details we all felt safe and worked with care so no one was in harms way or that the table got damaged. As most of you have probably figured by now Tom and Chris make great neighbors and I feel very privileged to know them both. It's been a busy summer and I haven't been to the shop as much as I would have liked, but it's always nice to see the changes as they happen. Tom, as you know you can always call when you need a helping hand, just give me a call.
 
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Tom you may like to edit your post as Melbas post looks to be that of a spammer. The Red X's are a bad link.

Thanks HOTFR8 for your diligence. I can usually catch that they're spammers but the red X's didn't show up when I did the quote. I did the reply when I was in Brazil and I'm just now able find out that was a spammer and delete it. That's the problem with my work, there's a lead and a lag with my travels that can limit when I can get to this thread.

I've now deleted that whole post and am ready to move forward............again! :thumbup:

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Thanks HOTFR8 for your diligence. I can usually catch that they're spammers but the red X's didn't show up when I did the quote. I did the reply when I was in Brazil and I'm just now able find out that was a spammer and delete it. That's the problem with my work, there's a lead and a lag with my travels that can limit when I can get to this thread.

I've now deleted that whole post and am ready to move forward............again! :thumbup:

Thomas

I hope you also read the links I sent you on Spammers.
 
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I'll chime in here, I am Tom's neighbor and the guy he called to help with the welding table, I can confirm it is heavy! As a former Printing Equipment Technician I have moved some very heavy equipment in my years, so the table didn't concern me too much, but with Tom's attention to details we all felt safe and worked with care so no one was in harms way or that the table got damaged. As most of you have probably figured by now Tom and Chris make great neighbors and I feel very privileged to know them both. It's been a busy summer and I haven't been to the shop as much as I would have liked, but it's always nice to see the changes as they happen. Tom, as you know you can always call when you need a helping hand, just give me a call.

OK, here's the whole story. Cameron and I were finally getting the table unloaded and it was getting on toward evening. Once we had the table out of the van and on the ground we had second thoughts on whether or not the two of us could safely get it turned over. We discussed how to do it and in the end decided it couldn't hurt to have an extra pair of hands to help out. It's 6:30 PM or so and we figured we'd only have another hour or so of daylight so I call my neighbor up. He lives right across the street from my house but that's a 1/2 mile or so from the shop. So it's after dinner time, he's probably settled in for the evening and I call him up, spur of the moment, and ask "hey, would you mind giving us a hand doing this potentially dangerous job?" He didn't even hesitate for a moment, not even. He told me he'd be there in less than 5 minutes and he was. That I felt comfortable calling him last minute and that he cheerfully came and helped says so much about why he and I both love living here. It's just that kind of town and the Mid-West in general is like that. It adds so much to the quality of our way of life here. He knows that door swings both ways. Thank you Mr B. :beer:

Thomas
 
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So here's another simple project completed you might find of some interest.

PART I

Portable Pedestal Grinding Stand, PPGS.

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I got this heavy duty pedestal grinding stand from my Dad and I had used a 2 wheel dolly to move it around. That was cumbersome so I kept thinking of how to modify it to make moving it easier. Here's what I came up with.

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Because the shop floor is tile I wanted to prevent the stand from damaging the tile when it was sitting on the shop floor. I found rubber feet from Mc Master Carr that would work nicely. These stops were welded to the bottom of each leg for the new rubber feet and they had to be fabricated on an angle to match the angle of the pedestal legs.

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When installed they elevated the metal legs off the tile but still kept the stand level.

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Since by now you know how enamored I am with Blickle casters I decided to use the same casters that I used on the Wilton band saw OPC stand. They're sealed ball bearing so grinding grit stays out of them. Seen on the right, 1/4" thick plates were fabricated to bolt the casters to and...

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...those plates had to be attached to the angled legs and remain parallel with each other.

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With the casters installed

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The U shaped bar across the top...

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... is a handle and the bar across the bottom between the two legs is a "starter bar".

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You place your foot against it to help lift the stand over center and onto the casters.

PART II of the PPGS will show how this somewhat ungainly looking piece of shop equipment was turned into a visually interesting and highly functional addition to the Restored 1930's Auto Shop. ;)

Thomas
 

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...As most of you have probably figured by now Tom and Chris make great neighbors and I feel very privileged to know them both. It's been a busy summer and I haven't been to the shop as much as I would have liked, but it's always nice to see the changes as they happen. Tom, as you know you can always call when you need a helping hand, just give me a call.

I don't say much around here, but I have to chime in. That is one of the best posts so far.
 
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I don't say much around here, but I have to chime in. That is one of the best posts so far.

Thanks utahdog, we live in a small town and I know we both believe in helping any of our neighbors. Anyone that has read this thread understands that Tom will help anyone that asks, I know he would do the same for me, and has. Now back to the developments on the shop.
 

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Weeks.

I've spent weeks of my life treating myself to a few pages a day, when possible, reading 277 pages of the best documentary on the Internet. And now I've reached the end I wish I could start over from new.

Thomas, I'm so impressed by your dedication to the entire project - all the small details and a genuine love and respect for the old machinery and ways. These type of buildings used to be everywhere here and sadly are now few and far between, well done for rejuvenating the physical elements but also the spirit of the place.

Greetings from Ireland

Leigh
 
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Weeks.

I've spent weeks of my life treating myself to a few pages a day, when possible, reading 277 pages of the best documentary on the Internet. And now I've reached the end I wish I could start over from new.

Thomas, I'm so impressed by your dedication to the entire project - all the small details and a genuine love and respect for the old machinery and ways. These type of buildings used to be everywhere here and sadly are now few and far between, well done for rejuvenating the physical elements but also the spirit of the place.

Greetings from Ireland

Leigh

Hello Leigh and a warm welcome to someone who would persevere through all 277 pages.....so far! That is getting to be quite a commitment for anyone starting out fresh on this thread and determined to read it all. I salute you for that, true dedication. :)

I've taken a little flak for calling the shop a "restoration" but I think it's all a matter of semantics. You nailed it when you mentioned rejuvenating not only the physical elements but also "the spirit of the place." A few weeks ago Chris was able to give some more family members a shop tour who hadn't been in the shop since my work there. My understanding is they were quite happy with what's taken place out there and were inspired by that "spirt" to remember some pretty happy times spent in the shop. I feel it every time I'm out there.

Not to worry about reaching the end of the thread BTW, it's just A Temporary Pause, ATP. More is in the works, please check back from time to time.

Thomas
 
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Not to worry about reaching the end of the thread BTW, it's just A Temporary Pause, ATP. More is in the works, please check back from time to time.

Thomas

Thomas, I smiled at your use of the acronym ATP above. To me, ATP automatically reads as Adenosine triphosphate, or the coenzyme that facilitates the transference of the purest form of energy at the cellular level. As a faithful follower and infrequent poster in this world-class thread of your's, I can certainly attest to Thomas and energy being at one with each other! :lol:
 
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Thomas, I smiled at your use of the acronym ATP above. To me, ATP automatically reads as Adenosine triphosphate, or the coenzyme that facilitates the transference of the purest form of energy at the cellular level....... :lol:

Ummmm......., yeah, me too. It always reminds me of that .....:headscrat

(Chris, what in the world is he talking about?? :dunno: I bet it's something like making sure the aircraft hydraulic systems are full. Yeah, I bet that's it!) ;)

Thomas
 

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Yep. He has his ATP certification, but Firefighter315 has him pegged correctly with his slant on ATP. Pure energy until the task is accomplished! (in a good way - not frenetic, just constant with things that interest him)

If either of us doesn't appear busy to people who know us, they would think something is very wrong! And we would be truly bored (I think - though that's something I can never remember being).

Chris
 
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Well ATP can also mean Automatic Transmission Parts which actually has something to do with the shop.:D
 
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Back home after a couple of Brazil trips so here's PPGS,

Part II

How else to finish off a shop project than to...........wait for it........

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...have it powder coated! :D

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I capped off the ends of the rubber feet studs with stainless steel washers and acorn nuts...

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...which I think finishes it off better...

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...and gives it just a little interest. I also reversed the caster nut - bolt placement. Using grade 8 hardware, I decided the head of the bolt should be facing forward with the nuts behind as seen from the front of the stand.

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I have three grinders on portable aluminum plates now...

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...which allows me to swap them between the PRD and the PPGS quite easily.

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This is an old 1/3 hp Companion grinder my Dad bought new in 1938 from Sears Roebuck & Co. It has faithfully toiled away all these years without missing a beat.

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He bought it at the same time he bought this Delta drill press which was also equipped with an identical Companion motor. He said he couldn't afford the Delta motor so he bought the Companion instead.


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The back and sides look as nice as the front so you're not subject to an eyesore while it sits in the shop.

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I've used it a couple of times now and find that 2 clamps are plenty to hold the grinders to the stand.

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The handle works well in conjunction with...

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... the foot starter bar. That holds the stand in place while it's rotated onto the casters. It's all well balanced on the casters and the handle then provides enough leverage to maneuver the stand easily.

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While it doesn't have the charm of the original shop grinder, considering what it's replacing...

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... the new one is vastly more practical. The shop is to do work in, it's not a museum which is where the old shop grinder now resides, in a museum. While at first the new one was a little peculiar looking, the powder coating and stainless finished it off nicely I think. Another welcome addition that I'm confident Mr Johnson would approve of in his shop. :thumbup:

More...... did I mention there is more coming? :)

Thomas
 
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After seeing all that stuff on the lot and the shape of the shop what made you press on?

Passion for the mission I guess wali3001. I never wavered for a moment. I envisioned the final results and had no doubt as to its ultimate, successful outcome. That's how I was raised. ;) Kind of like chasing after Chris for all those years before she married me.......no doubt as to its ultimate , successful outcome. 37 years later, boy did I get that one right!! :rocker:

Thomas
 

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Thomas said:
"Kind of like chasing after Chris for all those years before she married me.......no doubt as to its ultimate , successful outcome. 37 years later, boy did I get that one right!!"

His Mother-in-Law said: ??????? j/k
 
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Thomas said:
"Kind of like chasing after Chris for all those years before she married me.......no doubt as to its ultimate , successful outcome. 37 years later, boy did I get that one right!!"

His Mother-in-Law said: ??????? j/k

Early on in the chase her mother said.... "I think it's time you left and maybe you shouldn't come back."

I didn't listen so well. :dunno: ;)

Thomas
 
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I thought you might be interested in seeing how a former project was put to use. Here you will see part of the Barn in action and how the SPOSE benches (those were the blue ones- the Silk Purse Out of a Sows Ear) worked out. I know you won't confuse them with the SPOUSE bench, because.........well because you haven't seen that one...........yet. ;)

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We had to replace the rear axels on Cameron's '64 Impala drag car since one of the axel bearings had slid out and along one of the axels. That damaged a side gear in the posi unit so both of those were replaced also.

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Here the axels have been removed. Look close and you can see all the way through the axel tube since the differential has been removed also.

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Here's one of the bearings (red circle) installed on a new axel. A bearing retainer was tack welded to the axel to prevent it from moving like the old one did.

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BTW, these so called "X" frame cars from GM, built in the late 1950's up to the mid 1960's, use a 2 piece drive shaft. That necessitates a bearing support for the end of the short main shaft, circled yellow.

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The stock rubber or even the replacement polyurethane bearing supports are unsuitable for drag racing. (Ask me how I know :sad:) These all metal bearing supports are terrific and are generally considered bullet proof. This is considered a safety item and is allowed under the rules.

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Here's why these cars are called "X" frame cars. When viewed from underneath the frame forms a big X in the middle. :rolleyes:

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After the differential housing is cleaned and before the repaired posi unit is installed...

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...the differential studs should chased with a die (yellow circle) to clean up the threads. Chasing threads is just a good practice to follow whenever doing repair work on any mechanical item. It cleans the threads up and if they do have a nick in them, now's the time to repair it.

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A complete tap and die set will get plenty of use once you get in the habit of chasing threads.

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So here's the repaired posi unit or third member as it's sometimes called. Notice I use cardboard to protect the Masonite top of the bench.

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The yellow paint is to check the wear pattern on the ring gear.

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The new axles are installed after the posi unit has been torqued in place.

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And through out all this the SPOSE benches worked as I'd hoped. They are handy with a large work surface, are rock solid and look good I think. I love it when a plan comes together. :thumbup:

Next weekend's race is Stanton, MI the biggest race of the year. Weather forecast looks fantastic right now. That new posi unit and axels should get broken in nicely.

Thomas
 

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Thomas,

WOW, great work! I've chased a many of threads with my Tap/die sets, the do indeed help a lot. Question, I've heard chasing threads with a normal tap is bad, and you can actually do damage (supposed to use a special thread chasing tap). I've not heard the same about chasing threads with a die, nor have I seen special thread chasing dies. Do you know if they make a thread chasing die?

Will
 

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That exhaust system is nice (Flowmaster?) and someone knows how to tuck those pipes into the chassis nice and snug!
The diameter of the pipes looks a little large, but I assume that's because it's new and pretty, or a trick of the light - Pure Stock rules don't allow a freer flowing exhaust, do they?

The SPOSE benches are great! Stuff like that makes fixing broken axles a pleasure, I reckon!

As always, thanks for keeping us all in the loop!

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Thomas,

WOW, great work! I've chased a many of threads with my Tap/die sets, the do indeed help a lot. Question, I've heard chasing threads with a normal tap is bad, and you can actually do damage (supposed to use a special thread chasing tap). I've not heard the same about chasing threads with a die, nor have I seen special thread chasing dies. Do you know if they make a thread chasing die?

Will

Yes they do make thread chasing dies.
 

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Re: the PRD and the PPGS C-clamps

The powder coat looks great, but the clamps possibly biting into the coating made me wince! I went looking for these -
http://www.maxiloc.com.au/maxiloc_p...811P&textid=Toggle Clamp, Vertical Acting, HD

I don't know if there is room to mount them, but having a couple on both the PRD and the PPGS might make a slick addition and little chance of marring the finish.

I'm thinking those would not keep the tools 100% stable? With the rubber feet and all? My thought were (to late now, though), you could just weld four shims to the underside, and mask them before coating. That way you have a flat protruding surface to clamp to. There is always next time, boss!
 

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The top plate appears to have eight holes. The holes could be tapped for wing bolts and the mounting plates drilled with matching plain holes. Some of your aluminum plates are as big or bigger than the top plate on the stand while some are smaller. The small plates would line up with the inner square and the large ones with the outer square of holes. The four wing bolts you aren't using could just be screwed in from the bottom so they don't interfere with the grinder you are using.

Assuming you would want stainless steel wing- or spade-head bolts, McMaster-Carr carries them in quite a few thread sizes.

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How does the Brand "F" rear end fit into the rules for a "Stock" racing class? Safety, due to lack of C-clips?

I migh try to make it to Stanton to say hi this weekend, as I said I would last year and failed.

Love this thread.

Thanks,
Phill
 

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That is a factory 64 Impala rear end not a Ford.

Thomas will know all the details but it should be an earlier Salisbury style rear with 8.2" ring gears.

Looks like 2.91 gearing.
 
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