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Hi Thomas,
I have to admit to you that I have watched this fantastic thread of yours since nearly the beginning and am somewhat embarrassed that I haven't commented until now. I don't post much, if at all, being content to read much that's available on this site, learning a great deal along the way. But I have to say that your thread is my absolute favorite. What you have accomplished in transforming Mr. Johnson's old place is stunning enough in itself but the energy, enthusiasm, knowledge and overall history is just fascinating to me. I love the old equipment and tools, the old photos you've shared, the background info, you're automotive stable (especially the Nova and '64 Impala), the detail you provide on how these things are accomplished. And Gus too, I can't leave out Gus. The drag racing excursions and trip to Bonneville are icing on the cake. This would all be good enough for just the entertainment value but there's more to it than that. I find that I learn a great deal from your posts and even at 60 I still love to learn, especially when this is the subject matter. The fact that this is a family deal with your wonderful wife, Chris, makes it even better.

My place is just a 24 x 24 garage with a basket-case '66 Impala awaiting it's restoration, nothing compared to the Restored 1930's Auto Shop. But you've provided a great big heap of inspiration to me in my own little Garage World. And for that I thank you.

Sorry to be this long-winded but this was long overdue. I look forward to reading and enjoying more.

Wow Denny, thank you so much for all those kind words. That's the kind of stuff that keeps me going here. When I know I've really connected with someone and made a difference is tremendously rewarding for me and and I suspect Chris as well. This thread has truly taken on a life of its own. Someone once commented "we're all friends on this thread and we like to drop by the old restored 1930's auto shop thread now and again to visit with all our other likeminded friends and see what mischief Thomas has been up to lately." Just imagine if we all lived closer together, none of us would get anything done, but we'd have a ball, enjoying each others company.

My life has always been a bit different in some ways and this thread has been a wonderful venue to share all the many blessings I've received along the way with others. I have been the recipient of many kindnesses through the years and I'm only too happy to pass along information that others might enjoy or benefit from as well. So don't feel embarrassed Denny, lurkers have aways been welcomed and it was very kind of you to make the effort and let us know this thread is still useful and most importantly.....fun, 'cause if you're not having fun.........what's the point! :bounce:

Now tell me about that Impala of yours.........

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.................... 'cause if you're not having fun.........what's the point! :bounce:

Now tell me about that Impala of yours.........

Thomas


Thank you for the kind welcome Thomas. And you hit the nail on the head about having fun. Sometimes we get so wrapped up in the worries and concerns of everyday life we (well, me anyways) forget about having fun.
Which brings me to....................my Impala. A sad, long story but I promise to keep it short. The sad part is I've owned this car for more years than I care to admit and have done very little on it. It's a 1966 SS convertible. Originally a 283 w/ Powerglide I bought it minus the engine and ******. The guy that owned it was desperate to sell; he had no storage for it. It looked pathetic sitting outside. I wasn't even looking for this model ( I really wanted a '62) but when it was offered to me for $500 plus he delivered it to my house, well, I couldn't refuse. He also included many parts: interior, trim, etc. I later found out most of the interior parts were wrong but I've since collected most of what i need. I bought a '66 Bel Air parts car for a lot of small parts I needed, stripped it down, traded of it's 283 w/ Powerglide for a 1973 low compression 454. After selling off all the parts that I didn't need or were incorrect I gained back the money that i paid for the Impala and the parts car, so in effect it's free with a solid frame, entire front clip, solid rockers and left rear quarter and a questionable right quarter. My plan is for a big block, 4-speed to emulate (clone) the 427 SS Impalas of the day. I just purchased an M20 and I have a 12-bolt also. I just need to get busy:D
I guess I didn't keep this too short after all. Sorry.
 
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ATTENTION:

PART I

This post could save your shop/garage/home from a fire and it might also add enlightenment which could result in you viewing the world in a completely different and wondrous light, you never know.. :dunno:

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And this is the devise that might do all the above. Let's begin...

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Like many of you I enjoy nostalgic furnishings in the shop and barn. Several of them use electrical power such as this clock, found in the lift room.

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It was selected for it's large size so it would be easy to read from anywhere, it had an automotive advertising theme and most importantly, it exhibited prominent backlighting so it could serve as a night light.

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Another period clock found in the north room selected for it's shape and size.

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A Hastings Filters clock that fit the narrow area above the doorway perfectly plus it too serves as a night light.

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Lastly is the Kendall Oil spinner clock in the fab room which we've discussed previously in another post. All three clocks plug into outlets using 110V. Notice there are no electrical outlets seen. When I was wiring the interior during construction, I knew I wanted clocks in those locations so outlets were installed behind where the clocks would eventually be mounted. I wanted old school plug in clocks and not converted battery powered quartz ones. No rational reason other than that's just what I wanted.

With any old electrical devise I use I go through all electrical components and wiring to ensure they are safe and make repairs as necessary. All three clocks needed some repair of some sort but once done, they should be relatively trouble free for many, many years.

This is all leading up to a recent purchase of...

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...this smaller sized Gulf sign for the barn. I selected it based on it's unusual small size and...

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... it's fluorescent light source.

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It was going to be mounted near the peak of the ceiling in the barn to serve as night lighting. I didn't want to have to hike up a ladder 14' every few months replacing incandescent light bulbs, plus fluorescents run cooler. An eBay purchase, I was advised it had a new power cord installed along with a new light tube and was "good to go". It probably would have been fine, but I still opened it up to inspect it. Inside I found the all the insulation on the wiring...

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...brittle and broken...

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...in several places...

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...not unexpected at all. This is typical of older electrical items and why I highly advise you to always take a good long look at any old clocks, neon signs etc you might have in your shop/garage/home etc., especially if they are on while you aren't there. Ask any firefighter and I'm sure they've come across electrical fires that originated in similar vintage items. It's not uncommon.

PART II - The Good Old Days might be right now! ;)

Thomas
 

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Thats good tip ! Never know what you find when you look.. I have a flew of them in my shop also. One I did have to open up and rebuild/
 
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PART II - The Good Old Days Are Here.....Right Now.

So with the poor condition of the wiring and the ballast looking...

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... not all that great I didn't have any confidence in it. I decided I would not only rewire the light fixture but also replace the ballast. My quest for a new ballast turned onto just that, a quest, since the markings on it were mostly unreadable. After having no luck with our local electrical supply houses I was referred to a commercial sign company. I took the ballast along with the light tube it was going to power and try to find a replacement. That's when I was told that fluorescent lights were being phased out and I probably wouldn't be able to replace the tube in a few years, even if I could find a new ballast. I asked what are all the sign makers going to do since most of their signs have fluorescents? Right then is when I was suddenly yanked into the 21st century. It was suggested that I should re-equip my sign with...

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...these little gizmos, LED's. Light Emitting Diodes (invented less than 5 miles away on campus of the University of Illinois by Professor Nick Holonyak, Jr) That's what all the sign makers are doing so I decided I'd jump into the 21st century also. Besides lasting for roughly 50,000 hours, they operate cooler and with less electricity, making them economical to leave on 24/7/365

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They come in a long string like Christmas tree lights and I had to get a ballast to power them.

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As you can see, the new ballast is much smaller and lighter in weight compared with the old ballast since it's output is only 12V.

I also liked the suggestion from Garage Journal board members Nuts and Bob Heine back in February to use flat plugs...

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...that I cut...

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...from a sacrificial power strip, white to match the wall color. I now had all the components to update the Gulf sign.

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First thing I did was to power up the LEDs to make sure I had everything wired correctly.

Next they were placed into the light housing...

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... to get an idea of how much room they needed.

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I used painters tape to temporarily attach them.

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Once they were all in place I assembled the light cover and powered it up to see how critical LED placement was. Note the ballast is still outside the light fixture. It turned out that a general dispersal pattern was fine. It looks like I got very even light distribution with no dark areas. Satisfied that general LED placement was OK, I was ready to install the ballast. Just before doing that...

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... I installed a pair of maple wood blocks on the back of the housing to serve as spacers. The walls of the barn have raised ribs and once the light was hung on the wall...

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... it needed to be raised in order to straddle one of those ribs. Here you can see how the light housing is raised up by the wood blocks below it.

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Next the ballast was installed but before it was wired I decided to I needed to drill the mounting holes on the wall. Since the light fixture has all curved surfaces it would be difficult to hang it square with no place to use a level, so I created a flat, reference surface.

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With either end of this small board clamped the same distance from the bottom of the light fixture, I could put a level on the board and it would reference whether the whole fixture was cocked to one side or not.

With the wall mounting holes done, the fixture was brought back to the bench...

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...and the ballast power cord wired...

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...using a strain relief clamp on the back.

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The LEDs were wired and placed into the housing around the ballast...

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... then checked again...

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...once more with everything in place before permanently installing the LEDs. The LED circuit boards had 3M adhesive strips on the back of them.

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Once this release paper was peeled away from the back of the circuit board it could then be fastened to the housing.

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I cleaned the surface where the strips would contact the housing...

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...before fastening them. I cleaned using 3M General Purpose Cleaner #08984 and put it on a Q tip as seen circled in red. It's a small fussy step, but one that will insure the best possible results since I'm using an adhesive.

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One last step was to place some silicone into the small holes in each circuit board, seen here circled in red. That's my back up in case the adhesive fails at some point in the future, the silicone will hold the board in place.

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With everything completed, this is what the new installation looks like when done....

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...these are the parts that were replaced, not needed anymore.

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With the light installed on the wall you can see that center raised rib that necessitated the wood blocks to set the fixture out from the wall.

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With the LEDs I've managed to greatly enhance the usefulness and safety of the old sign. It brightens up and adds interest to what was a pretty drab wall. This was all new ground for me but in the end I'm very pleased with the results.

So the benches are all clean now...

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...just in time for a new project.

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Standby for that one. Thanks again everyone. ;)

Thomas
 

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Simply awesome on the LED installation! I use them frequently on my motorcycles, but hadn't thought of sign illumination. Thanks for the tip! I have a traffic light in my garage that I might try the LED trick in to replace its incandescent lights.
 

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Hi Thomas, I've enjoyed your journey since day 1!! That last photo brought back some fond memories tho. I recall as a young boy going to various shops with my Dad, Uncles and older cousins, Sadly most of them are gone now, but the trip was never complete without one of those 1 cent gumballs!!

Funny how something so irrelevant can bring back thoughts of such a simpler, happier time.

Thank you for that..:D
 

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Nice signage! Say, Gulf sponsored the mighty Porsche 917's back in the day; you don't happen to have one of these tucked away in one of your buildings, do you?
 

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Got a couple of questions on the new light Thomas. How long was that string of lights and how much was that whole set up? I need to fix my sandblaster lights and this just might be the perfect replacement rather than the ballast and fluorescent tubes in it now.
 

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Very nice set-up, I love it. It looks like you need to look into the ZLT Zero Leak Technology for your Rotary cylinder though.
If you decide to use one let me know. I can give you a hefty discount.
 

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Up to page 200 now and still almost another 100 to go. I am enjoying the discovery of all the old tools. Thank you Thomas and Chris.
 

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Forget the 917, I bet there's a GT40 in the tool shed.

That sign would fit my shop better. I'll give you $2.50 for it.
 

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Nice job with the gulf sign.

Lighting is really going to change when the price of LEDs drop down more. I replaced a twenty year old low voltage flood light with a led flood from Home Depot. What a difference in light output, I think it's the equivalent to a 50 watt flood.
 

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DUH!!! I feel like an idiot. I found a couple of old bar clocks when I was cleaning out my parent's basement. I never thought to rewire them with LED's. Great ideas man!!!
 

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Thomas, Great show and tell on the conversion. I learned something on this one. That's great info about the demise of fluorescents lighting. I guess that will include long tubes like many of us have in our garages? Dennis
 
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Thomas, Chris, ....I have new found inspiration to finish my garage that was extended six years ago. .... It's not big but it does have heat and A/C and plenty of light. .... :) Dennis

Dennis, you need to post some more pictures of your '67, I'm intrigued. If you have a problem posting on the forum there's lots of help out there. Once you do it you'll find it's very straight forward.

The size of your garage doesn't matter. As Sheryl Crow sings, "It's not having what you want--It's wanting what you've got" and yours sounds great- heat, A/C and plenty of light.........oh and two pretty cool cars parked in it! :thumbup:

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Ahhhhhhh!!!! He said TOOL SHED!!! :drool:
But there are no photos from the TOOL SHED!!!! :willy_nil
Where are the photos of treasure hunting in the tool shed?? :dunno:

Joe, sometimes the work I do out there isn't very note worthy, hard as that is to believe. That last mission out there was cleaning and removal, not one of cool discovery. :)

Thomas
 

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Joe, sometimes the work I do out there isn't very note worthy, hard as that is to believe. That last mission out there was cleaning and removal, not one of cool discovery. :)

Thomas

The last cleaning and removal mission disclosed a great little wrench.... :thumbup:

What other treasures are you hiding from us??? :lol_hitti

TOOLS!!!
 
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Hey Thomas
I too have a vette. I've been a fan of vettes for as long as I can remember. Owned a 63 vert back in 68. Had to sell it due to a ticket and insurance cost after the ticket. Did not have another one until 2009 when I was able to buy a red 1999 vert. six speed. Love the top down, shifting gears listening to the pipes sounding off as the rpms climb.
Again thanks for all the sharing of your shop and life. Hello to Chris too and the rest of your great family.
Vince

Vince, I'm going to guess there are many of us of a "certain age" that have been Corvette fans since, well forever. In my youth there just wasn't a cooler car to be had, hands down. I watched Todd and Buzz every week faithfully just to get a glimpse of their car. Didn't even notice the pretty girls that were seen on it from time to time! :lol:

Sounds like you enjoy yours and that's what it really is all about.

Thomas
 

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Great job, Thomas.

The Gulf sign (and all the other clocks) are beautiful.
I understand that the T12 fluorescent tubes and fixtures are being phased out, so its good to know that there is an alternative lighting source available to refurbish the old signs and clocks.

Thanks again for sharing the story of the Restored 1930's Auto Shop. :beer:
 
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Thomas,

Always a great thread and a fun read. Your passion for getting things done around your property is refreshing as well as inspirational. As many have said; Thank you for all the time you take to document your project and adding your easy to read stories and captions.

Best,

Ody.

I've been lurking on this post it seems like years. The joy of the discoveries and refurbs has just been great. Thomas, you are one hell of a man of the world with your experiences and giving to all. I'm a Ford Falcon guy, but enjoy them all. Dad is a Chevy man, says he could never get any service from a Ford. If I'm ever your way or out at Bonnivile (on my bucketlist) I'll most definitely look you up. Love the old tools so show us some more shed finds.

Ody and busted knuckle a belated but still warm welcome to you both. I'm a little behind here, trying to get posts and projects done but I try to always acknowledge and thank those who are interested in my work, both in the shop and here on this thread.

I think years ago folks were more inclined than now, to be loyal to one manufacturer or another. Like you busted knuckle, I seem to like them all, just take a look around the shop and barn! Not too many folks would have a 1966 Corvette sharing space with a 1966 Lincoln Continental and a 1966 Chevy II not to mention a 1948 Jeep pickup for example and there are some not even seen as yet.

My thanks to you both again for following along with this saga. More material keeps stacking up all the time so please check back here. I'm not done! ;)

Thomas
 
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I have followed your thread for a bit and, enjoy your work and attitude. The picture of the '66 Lincoln reminded me of working on the design of the interior when I first started with Ford design in '63. Your location is a unique area of the midwest - some of the best soil no doubt. Look forward to the new home design you guys select.

63fdsnr by chance did you do any work on Lincolns?

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For a 2 door Coupe, the '66 is quite spacious inside. If any of this is your handy work you should know for the last 37 years I've truly enjoyed the understated design and elegance of that car.

As for our ground around here, yes it's some of richest and most productive in the world. It makes me look good, growing all those the plants and trees here. The house will be another fun project that I hope to put all my life experiences into. We'll see how it progresses.

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If it helps i used to race SCCA GT1 in a Vette.:thumbup: It was a 68 with a Rhere and Morrison built 350 and a Doug Nash 5 speed. Loved driving that car until the owners wife ran it into a corner.:mad: Had to section the frame as well as rebuild the body.:shocking: We sold it just after that and I got involved in FF1600 cars.;) Still miss it sometimes but glad I got out when I did.:thumbup:

There is just nothing like the loud, raw, brute power of a good old American V8 is there? charlief1 I wish I had some of that track experience "back in the day" but it just didn't happen. Trying to make up some lost time, but it's not the same. :eek:

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I see 300 pages are approaching.

Thank you for all your efforts. You teach AND entertain and it don't get get better than that!

Thanks, guys!
 

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I'm going ot. Was at a junkyard last weekend and saw a lincoln much like the one shown here. Looked very complete as if it were driven in and parked. Then I saw the huge holes in the roof under the vinyl where it had rusted away :(
 

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On the '66 Lincoln, as a new designer, I was able to influence the instrument panel and steering wheel and various controls. Later on my team did the Mark V, Mark VII exteriors and the Mark VIII interior. Don't mean to turn your thread into a car design discussion but this brings plenty of memories. Thanks.
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Vince, I'm going to guess there are many of us of a "certain age" that have been Corvette fans since, well forever. In my youth there just wasn't a cooler car to be had, hands down. I watched Todd and Buzz every week faithfully just to get a glimpse of their car. Didn't even notice the pretty girls that were seen on it from time to time! :lol:

Sounds like you enjoy yours and that's what it really is all about.

Thomas


Now there's a great memory, the Route 66 TV show. I also watched it every week with my dad. We both loved that show. Mom tolerated it. But I'm not buying the part about not noticing the pretty girls Thomas. :bounce:
 
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Thank you for the kind welcome Thomas. And you hit the nail on the head about having fun. Sometimes we get so wrapped up in the worries and concerns of everyday life we (well, me anyways) forget about having fun.
Which brings me to....................my Impala. A sad, long story ......

......... I just need to get busy:D

Sounds like a great car and a project that would be fun to do. Why not just commit to it and begin this winter? :dunno: Start with something simple, easy and fun to do. Get your internal pump primed. Once you get in the habit of every day (night) doing something, anything on the car you'll get re-energized. It feeds itself after a while and you can't wait to dig in. TT - Trust Thomas. You'll thank me. :D

Now get going Denny and let us know how it goes, OK?

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Hi Thomas, I've enjoyed your journey since day 1!! That last photo brought back some fond memories tho. I recall as a young boy going to various shops with my Dad, Uncles and older cousins, Sadly most of them are gone now, but the trip was never complete without one of those 1 cent gumballs!!

Funny how something so irrelevant can bring back thoughts of such a simpler, happier time.

Thank you for that..:D

Since day 1 upndown? Now there's a man who sticks with it through good posts and bad! Thank you so much for the continued interest, almost 3 years later and still going strong!!

Ahh, gumball machines, a subject near and dear to my heart.

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I bough a very nice, identical pair, that are original, unrestored (note the one back by the microwave) shortly after I got the shop interior done.

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Once the barn was built, I placed the second one out there. They bring back a bunch of memories to me as well so I knew I needed one where ever I worked (played? :)).

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By each machine...

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... I have placed a little tin...

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...filled with nickels (yup, mine are 5 cents :eek:)...

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...so my friends can enjoy some peanut M&M's whenever they want without paying for them, just like the Pepsi machine. It just wouldn't do to have it any other way, now would it? I especially enjoy showing small children how to use them for the first time. When they drop the nickel in the slot, slowly turn the handle and then lift up the little door and all those M&M's come rolling out into their little hands; the smile on their faces are just priceless, honest and truly. :thumbup: My own way of bringing back, simpler happier times here and now. Thanks again upndown for reminding us.

Thomas
 
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Nice signage! Say, Gulf sponsored the mighty Porsche 917's back in the day; you don't happen to have one of these tucked away in one of your buildings, do you?

Forget the 917, I bet there's a GT40 in the tool shed.

That sign would fit my shop better. I'll give you $2.50 for it.

Hmmm, the pile remaining on the Tool Shed could have a small race car under it I suppose..........nah, I don't think so! :sad:

onething would that be $2.50 cash, but not in nickels though? :lol:

Thomas
 
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Got a couple of questions on the new light Thomas. How long was that string of lights and how much was that whole set up? I need to fix my sandblaster lights and this just might be the perfect replacement rather than the ballast and fluorescent tubes in it now.

charlief1 there were 17 LEDs on that string. I didn't measure the spacing between them but they appear to be 6" (15.2 cm) to 8" (20.3 cm) apart. Those LEDs can come in long strings of varying lengths. The sign folks had that string left over, cut from a longer string, on a job they had done so it had already been paid for and those were just extras. They sold me the string for $30, which I understand is very inexpensive for LEDs and the ballast ran about $100-$110 as I recall. The ballast was a little pricy but a replacement ballast for my U shaped florescent tube was going to cost about the same so all in all I thought I was ahead. Your idea of using it in a blast cabinet makes great sense. Put the LEDs in a plexi or glass tube, seal it up and I would think it'd work fine. They are quite bright with very little heat build up. The Gulf sign was about 24" (61 cm) in diameter and 17 LEDs lit it up extremely well.

Thomas
 
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Up to page 200 now and still almost another 100 to go. I am enjoying the discovery of all the old tools. Thank you Thomas and Chris.

StretchCt, we're all cheering you on! You can do it!! There are still more tools to be discovered....but not fast enough for Joe! :p

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Well it looks like I'm about to do a little searching to see what I can find on LED lights. Hopefully I can find them cheap enough to make my blaster lit up enough to see in it. The drawback on a blaster down here is static electricity build up so a plexiglass tube would compound the issue. I've had the **** shocked out of me in cold weather while blasting from static charge.:willy_nil Same thing has happened while using a buffing wheel once in a while.:shocking:
 
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Nice job with the gulf sign.

Lighting is really going to change when the price of LEDs drop down more. I replaced a twenty year old low voltage flood light with a led flood from Home Depot. What a difference in light output, I think it's the equivalent to a 50 watt flood.

Thomas, Great show and tell on the conversion. I learned something on this one. That's great info about the demise of fluorescents lighting. I guess that will include long tubes like many of us have in our garages? Dennis

LEDs seem to be the way all our lighting is going. Talk is, shortly all new residential construction lighting will be 12V LED. As volume goes up, the price is really starting to drop which will only accelerate its use. New lighting applications and developments are occurring rapidly with new products coming to market all the time. The common, straight fluorescent tubes, we all use will be around for a while but they too apparently are going to be phased out in time. When is uncertain at this point, but I'm not concerned about tube replacements in the short term. We're planning on building our new house in a year or two and I'm already looking into 100% LEDs for it. I had no idea it was this widespread until I started work on the Gulf sign. Some change is good and this might be one of those. :dunno:

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Great job, Thomas.

The Gulf sign (and all the other clocks) are beautiful.
I understand that the T12 fluorescent tubes and fixtures are being phased out, so its good to know that there is an alternative lighting source available to refurbish the old signs and clocks.

Thanks again for sharing the story of the Restored 1930's Auto Shop. :beer:

Ken, you are more than welcome. I have noticed your avatar but not mentioned it. Is it a '63 or '64? Hard to tell.

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Well it looks like I'm about to do a little searching to see what I can find on LED lights. Hopefully I can find them cheap enough to make my blaster lit up enough to see in it. The drawback on a blaster down here is static electricity build up so a plexiglass tube would compound the issue. I've had the **** shocked out of me in cold weather while blasting from static charge.:willy_nil Same thing has happened while using a buffing wheel once in a while.:shocking:

How about grounding your cabinet and put an anti-static mat to stand on? Maybe even use a anti-static bracelet on your wrist that's grounded. Years ago I did some aerial photography work with a photographer who was using infrared film which is highly sensitive to static. I was the pilot ('natch) and the photographer was in the rear where we had a camera port in the belly set up. He'd change film while we were still airborne and used one of those anti-static bracelets to ground himself to the aircraft. We put several additional static wicks on the aircraft to help discharge static. Without the bracelet, static build up in him would be transferred to the new film and ruin it. Once we got it all sorted out it was never a problem.

Just a thought.

Thomas
 
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