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Thomas,
You are such a gas to read. If there was only a way that we had audio from you. I have watched form the beginning and just love all that you have done.
 
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I have been following your thread for a long time. I read all of the early posts but honestly a guy could make a job out of keeping up. 6240 posts and counting wow. I had one of your early teraplane pictures as my desktop pic at work for a while until I actually had enough of my shop put together.

I just realized I had never posted, tonight so here it is. Congratulations on the property, it is a true testimate to the value of your hard work and dedication.
 

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finally caught up! great fun to read. i do have a couple questions.

on pg. 292, post 5834 thereis a pic of the vette from the side. it shows a propane tank and house in the background. which/whose house is that?

the other is where do you draw the line on people asking for things? when they are just found, as in that hood ornament collection or the gold bar, or perhaps after you have cleaned it up and pc'd it and they say "i remember that, can i have it?"

what's up next? the tr4? thx, jim
 

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We are all operating in the same time; it's just how you allocate yours and we allocate ours, I guess.

madoc1 - that house/propane tank is the house that was occupied by the Johnsons and specifically Mrs. Johnson until she passed in 2008. It's a possibility that it may be our temporary residence while we wait for the retirement home to be built. Nice to have options...

Several family members have asked for things years after Mrs. J vacated the family home. Many times, we've been able to accommodate the request if the thing hadn't been "recycled". I know that Tom has given some things to family members this year (look back several pages to the engine(?) given to a grandson). Others things are long gone. Some things were never "ours", so it was just a matter of the things going to their rightful owners. We're just the caretakers, as it were.

Chris
 

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Greetings to you Jim. When I was new to Garage Journal, little did I know there were so many fellow wood working enthusiasts stopping by for a visit on this thread. Once I realized that, I've not been too shy about posting a picture or two of some interesting machines and the extensive coverage on the BBB. At first I did't want to bore anyone with my own selfish interests. :eek: I have come to realize you guys don't mind looking at some old wood working machinery one bit so I'd be happy to honor your request.

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As you well know, I'm a self-confessed "old machinery fanatic" myself. Delta in particular. All of the Deltas are still in their original, factory paint. I actually own two 1920's vintage Delta machines (the scroll saw on the left of the dust collection cyclone is one of them), two Deltas from the 30's, three from the 40's 1 from the 50's and even though Rockwell bought them, I've several from the early to mid 1960's before they lost all their quality. Wonder if you've ever noticed the drill press in the old shop?

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It's a Delta Rockwell...

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...1 H.P., 220V single phase, 17" (43 cm) swing, vintage 1962 when they were still extremely well made.

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Fabulously rugged, stable, simple and highly accurate.

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I drove 10 hours round trip to get this one and bring it home personally to ensure it wouldn't be damaged during shipment. It's over 50 years old and with care will still be working well for another 50 years, easy.

I'll put together some wood shop pictures and post them. Right now I'm doing some project multi-tasking. That's why there's been a bit of a lull here and I also have a flight schedule to maintain. A couple of the projects are nearing completion and then I'll get to your request. Happy to share with fellow enthusiasts. :thumbup:

Thomas

Thomas,

Thanks again for posting a few pictures of your drill press. I forgot to ask, what model number is it? Thanks.

Jim C.
 
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Thomas,
You are such a gas to read. If there was only a way that we had audio from you. I have watched form the beginning and just love all that you have done.

Ah ha! Another satisfied customer! Ya know busted knuckle, there are some people who just don't seem to have any joy in their lives...............I'm not one of them. :D Many, many thanks for your understanding of my warped sense of humor and continuing support. Posting on this thread has just been a hoot for myself and Chris too. Apparently that's been coming through, 'cause...

...if you're not having fun....what's the point?!

Thomas
 
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I have been following your thread for a long time. I read all of the early posts but honestly a guy could make a job out of keeping up. 6240 posts and counting wow. I had one of your early teraplane pictures as my desktop pic at work for a while until I actually had enough of my shop put together.

I just realized I had never posted, tonight so here it is. Congratulations on the property, it is a true testimate to the value of your hard work and dedication.

Hello nkachur from way down south. Admittedly this thread has gone on far longer than I ever thought possible. Hey, as long as folks find it interesting, informative or maybe just amusing I plan on posting away here about various happenings on this little piece of property. There's never a dull moment around here!

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At present I'm muti-tasking with this restoration and...

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...this service work and

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...this project, among others. I find it helps doing several while I'm waiting for parts, powder coating, finish or glue to dry. I suspect there's more material to be seen here so cuddle up to your monitor and stop by for a visit from time to time. Thank you for posting in and sharing those kind thoughts. Much appreciated.

Thomas
 
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finally caught up! great fun to read. i do have a couple questions.

on pg. 292, post 5834 thereis a pic of the vette from the side. it shows a propane tank and house in the background. which/whose house is that?

the other is where do you draw the line on people asking for things? when they are just found, as in that hood ornament collection or the gold bar, or perhaps after you have cleaned it up and pc'd it and they say "i remember that, can i have it?"

what's up next? the tr4? thx, jim

Hi Jim, glad you'er enjoying it up to now. The propane tank belongs to the old family home which is out of frame to the right. The house you are referring to, beyond the blue spruce trees, is a home that was built in the mid '60's by one of the family sons. We have wonderful neighbors who live there at present. They have told me they truly enjoy living in a park setting. :)

You do bring up an interesting question about disposition of certain items from the property. Where do I draw the line? That's one of the hardest questions I've ever been asked here and I think I need to give it some time to rattle around in my head for a while if you don't mind. I've tried to answer it in this reply to you to my satisfaction for the last hour and I haven't been able to.

For my local friends and acquaintances it's been easy, there is no line. I've been able to grant every request that came my way and have been happy to do so. To extend beyond that to my long distance friends here at the Journal and from this thread I've been able to help several folks out but not everyone. In those cases where it worked out, I've just asked them to pay it forward. It's a slippery slope that has been manageable for now, but could very easily get out of hand. So I guess for now my answer is a non answer. That may not be what you you were looking for but for now it's the best I can do. I'm confident you understand and I do appreciate you taking the time to ask it.

Oh and one thing more, no you can't have the TR4!! ;)

Thomas
 
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I wish I had this much talent (and time)

kmoon, it's fine line between talent and stubbornness. Stubbornness is a family trait I get from both my parents. I keep at something until it's to my satisfaction. Rarely do I finally give in and accept something as "good enough". There is however, a certain, um, non-straight, just ever so slightly "out of kilter" cover trim plate in the lift room that is the rare exception to that. But even that is really starting to grow on me as is. I've been bested by a measly little piece of inert plastic, so be it. Move on and get over it I always say! :thumbup:

Thanks for following my occasional misadventures here.

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Sory for this bit of OT, Thomas. But I thought I'd take the opportunity to thank you (and of course Mr. Johnson) for your efforts in louring all of us into your sphere and way of thinking :)

Today, I made a deal with a couple of older gentlemen, who is in the process of sorting through their late brothers workshop, trying to give prolonged life to all the tools and equipment their brother had accumulated through the years.

I bought a few items, didn't pay to much for them as they gents expressed it: "Better if the stuff is sold to be used, rather than being tossed or sold for scraps!"

I myself haven't got much of a workshop yet, but it's better to start collecting sooner than later, right?

Aaanyway, I thought I'd share a couple of pictures of a drill press I bought. I simply love the genius in it, it appealed to me at first sight. The two gentlemen told me this was one of the first tools this man bought when he started his business years ago, and even after buying a much bigger replacement later on, he had been using it all the way up to his retirement a few years ago. As you can see, this machine has a bit of what I'd call the "Mr. Johnson pragmatism" to it. Years back, it had only one speed, and as his needs expanded, he simply replaced the straight axle with a gearbox, so now it has several speeds (and probably also reverse?) Of course, it is quite small, and probably looks like junk to some, but I feel this will suit me well for my needs, at least for now. I know, it needs a belt cover.

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(anyone recognize the gearbox, btw?)

Also bought this huge floorjack (one of four not functioning properly)

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It needs full refurbishment, as far as I can see (so thanks for that too)...



So, once again, thank you, my good sir, for taking the time to let us (or at least me) get onto the old tools track...

Sorry to all for this interruption in broadcast, back to topic.
 

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Absolutely beautiful! You have a wonderful part of history. Don't change a thing! I am so jealous, but who wouldn't be. Fix what ever as far as bearings and enjoy!!!!!!,
 

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I really like that Rockwell drill press, and the Barn bench, and the portable welding table, and.. oh well, you get picture.
 
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Thomas,

Thanks again for posting a few pictures of your drill press. I forgot to ask, what model number is it? Thanks.

Jim C.

Jim, it is a Delta Rockwell...

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...Model 17-600. While Delta called them model numbers, Rockwell refers to them as Catalog No. The serial number decodes as manufactured in 1965. See....

http://wiki.vintagemachinery.org/DeltaSerialNumbers.ashx


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One of the reasons I wanted this particular model press is that it has a very large production table...

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...that easily adjusts vertically and laterally.

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The large, thick cast steel base aids in the stability as well. It came from a machine shop so I was confident it was well maintained and accurate. The spindle runout is negligible, better than any thing I would reasonably have a need for. The shop it came from was exceptionally clean and well organized. The owner was retiring and couldn't find any buyers for the shop as a whole so he was selling off equipment one piece at a time. I paid $850 for it 8 years ago and couldn't find a comparable new US made one for well more than twice that. Besides, I like the "old stuff" better anyway. :)

A wood shop post will show up here with much more information so please check back.

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Sory for this bit of OT, Thomas. But I thought I'd take the opportunity to thank you (and of course Mr. Johnson) for your efforts in louring all of us into your sphere and way of thinking :)

Today, I made a deal with a couple of older gentlemen, who is in the process of sorting through their late brothers workshop, trying to give prolonged life to all the tools and equipment their brother had accumulated through the years.

I bought a few items, didn't pay to much for them as they gents expressed it: "Better if the stuff is sold to be used, rather than being tossed or sold for scraps!"

I myself haven't got much of a workshop yet, but it's better to start collecting sooner than later, right?

Aaanyway, I thought I'd share a couple of pictures of a drill press I bought. I simply love the genius in it, it appealed to me at first sight. The two gentlemen told me this was one of the first tools this man bought when he started his business years ago, and even after buying a much bigger replacement later on, he had been using it all the way up to his retirement a few years ago. As you can see, this machine has a bit of what I'd call the "Mr. Johnson pragmatism" to it. Years back, it had only one speed, and as his needs expanded, he simply replaced the straight axle with a gearbox, so now it has several speeds (and probably also reverse?) Of course, it is quite small, and probably looks like junk to some, but I feel this will suit me well for my needs, at least for now. I know, it needs a belt cover.

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(anyone recognize the gearbox, btw?)

Also bought this huge floorjack (one of four not functioning properly)

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It needs full refurbishment, as far as I can see (so thanks for that too)...



So, once again, thank you, my good sir, for taking the time to let us (or at least me) get onto the old tools track...

Sorry to all for this interruption in broadcast, back to topic.

Fantastic find babaluba, wow! It looks to be very well executed. That adaptation of a car transmission to change speeds on that drill press is very much the type of practical, clever thinking Mr Johnson demonstrated countless times.

You might recall the old school 'camel back drill press' that was left in the shop...

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...looked quite similar except...

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...it was driven by an overhead line shaft and a flat belt. That belt turned the red circled pulley that turned the top blue circled disc which transmitted power to the yellow circled tapered cone. By changing the angle of the tapered cone it would change the speed of the blue circled front, horizontal disc turning the spindle. SInce Mr Johnson had a fancy, shamcy variable speed drill press he didn't have to resort to "other means". :)

Now about details on your press, is it a 3 or 4 speed, synchromesh on any of them? :dunno: I suspect it's a brute to move but what a gem. Well worth the effort and a keeper for sure.

Your floor jack was a nice score also. I'm confident it can be serviced with parts from Hiball no problem and you can cosmetically refurbish it to your taste. Who is the manufacture and what capacity is it rated for? Great to see this old equipment is being recognized as having much useful service left and is being used but not abused!! Congratulations and way to go! Thanks for sharing with all of us here. :thumbup:

Thomas
 
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Jim, it is a Delta Rockwell...

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...Model 17-600. While Delta called them model numbers, Rockwell refers to them as Catalog No. The serial number decodes as manufactured in 1965. See....

http://wiki.vintagemachinery.org/DeltaSerialNumbers.ashx


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One of the reasons I wanted this particular model press is that it has a very large production table...

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...that easily adjusts vertically and laterally.

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The large, thick cast steel base aids in the stability as well. It came from a machine shop so I was confident it was well maintained and accurate. The spindle runout is negligible, better than any thing I would reasonably have a need for. The shop it came from was exceptionally clean and well organized. The owner was retiring and couldn't find any buyers for the shop as a whole so he was selling off equipment one piece at a time. I paid $850 for it 8 years ago and couldn't find a comparable new US made one for well more than twice that. Besides, I like the "old stuff" better anyway. :)

A wood shop post will show up here with much more information so please check back.

Thomas

Great stuff Thomas! Thanks for the follow up pictures and information. That's a nice old drill press for sure. I'm looking forward to the wood shop post.

Jim C.
 

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Your floor jack was a nice score also. I'm confident it can be serviced with parts from Hiball no problem and you can cosmetically refurbish it to your taste. Who is the manufacture and what capacity is it rated for?
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You know, I have absolutely no idea. I was the biggest in the shop, so I thought it might be the one most worth keeping. Capacity-vise, I would take a wild stab at perheps 3-3,5 metric tons somewhere, for the manufacturer all I have is the text on aluminum cover plate.

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Hey look, it's made on your side of the pond! :D Anyone recognize this, or perhaps have got any idea on where to find info on it?

My guess is this plate also covers the oil filler cap?

Btw, thanks for the encouraging words!
 
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You know, I have absolutely no idea. I was the biggest in the shop, so I thought it might be the one most worth keeping. Capacity-vise, I would take a wild stab at perheps 3-3,5 metric tons somewhere, for the manufacturer all I have is the text on aluminum cover plate.



Hey look, it's made on your side of the pond! :D Anyone recognize this, or perhaps have got any idea on where to find info on it?

My guess is this plate also covers the oil filler cap?

Btw, thanks for the encouraging words!
http://www.google.com/patents/US2039896
 

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More on the Y-manifold.

The latest edition of "The Rodder's Journal" has a great story on this neat little race car originally built by Phil Remington, and re-created by Dan Webb. One of the pictures might be of interest to participants of this thread; the caption reads:

"Posing for the camera in the workshop and testing the location of the fuel-pressure pump, Phil Remington built the car in his parent's garage, starting in 1941 and finishing in '45 after returning from the Service.
Check out that early twin-carb intake being tried out."
 

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Just joined the forum to say thanks for taking the time to post this magnificent restoration.
I've always been a sucker for old machine tools , the factory where I served my apprenticeship as a tool maker was still powered by overhead line shafts ( in the early 80s !!) so seeing all this lovely old machinery brought back to life is a real kick.
I'm only up to p 30 so I've got get back there now.

Mick.
 

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Wow!!! Lockport is my home-town. Harrison Radiator was the largest employer in town when I was a kid, 'Harrison's' eventually became Delphi, but there was a lot of industry in the area prior to 'urban renewal.' I'm interested to find out more about that jack!
 
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This month's Hot Rod magazine (03-31-2013) has an article on this beast:

More on the Y-manifold.

The latest edition of "The Rodder's Journal" has a great story on this neat little race car originally built by Phil Remington, and re-created by Dan Webb. One of the pictures might be of interest to participants of this thread; the caption reads:

"Posing for the camera in the workshop and testing the location of the fuel-pressure pump, Phil Remington built the car in his parent's garage, starting in 1941 and finishing in '45 after returning from the Service.
Check out that early twin-carb intake being tried out."

Thanks Mike for the heads up on the Hot Rod article about the old Buick Salt Flats car. I haven't seen the article yet but look forward to a little more information than I got while talking with the crew in the staging lane last August. Your description of the car as a "beast" is most appropriate. :D

Also waaaaayyyy cool picture of the "Y" manifold being put to use "back in the day". I'm still waiting for the picture of Jacobs "Y" manifold installed on one of Mr Johnson's sons cars. I'll have to see if I can't get that, "expedited". I really want to see it on the car it was purchased for after all this time, even if it is more than 50 years later.

Thomas
 
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Amazing garage and very inspirational restoration!

Greetings Bogdan M and welcome to our expanding circle of friends here. You might very well be the first to post in from Romania. Chris should be updating that information soon I would guess. I keep hearing that we're going to start service flying to Bucharest one of these days. I've never been there but would very much like to visit.

I don't know at what point we can consider this old shop as "being seen all over the world" but I think we're getting close. I've already got fellow in Cape Town, South Africa following along so all we need is Antarctica to post in and we'll have all the continents covered! What would Mr Johnson think of that?! :)

Thomas
 
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You know, I have absolutely no idea. I was the biggest in the shop, so I thought it might be the one most worth keeping. Capacity-vise, I would take a wild stab at perheps 3-3,5 metric tons somewhere, for the manufacturer all I have is the text on aluminum cover plate.

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Hey look, it's made on your side of the pond! :D Anyone recognize this, or perhaps have got any idea on where to find info on it?

My guess is this plate also covers the oil filler cap?

Btw, thanks for the encouraging words!

babaluba, I found what was described as a 6 ton truck floor jack that was manufactured by RV Manufacturing Co for sale:

http://www.thepapershop.com/view/2120130102924843-truck-floor-jack#.UPHo42fB_h4

... but there's no picture. I'll see if I can get any information from Hiball about R V manufactured jacks.

Thomas
 
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Just joined the forum to say thanks for taking the time to post this magnificent restoration.
I've always been a sucker for old machine tools , the factory where I served my apprenticeship as a tool maker was still powered by overhead line shafts ( in the early 80s !!) so seeing all this lovely old machinery brought back to life is a real kick.
I'm only up to p 30 so I've got get back there now.

Mick.

Hi there Mick and thanks for posting in. As you'll see reading through the thread, you are not alone in your fondness for old machine tools! All are welcome here. :thumbup: It's hard to believe there were factories in the 1980's still using overhead line shafts. Very cool. I've only seen them anymore in museums. Anyway, enjoy the read and I do appreciate the words of encouragement. You are most welcome.

Thomas
 

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babaluba, I found what was described as a 6 ton truck floor jack that was manufactured by RV Manufacturing Co for sale:

http://www.thepapershop.com/view/2120130102924843-truck-floor-jack#.UPHo42fB_h4

... but there's no picture. I'll see if I can get any information from Hiball about R V manufactured jacks.

Thomas

I contacted the Niagara County Historian's Office:
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Niagara-County-Historians-Office/299057299891)
Hopefully they will be able to tell us something about it, they seem to know everything about Lockport (I sure miss the place sometimes). I didn't remember there being a 'Race Street' in Lockport when I was a kid, and it doesn't show up on google maps or mapquest, so I am curious what is there now and if it gives any indication of what RV Manufacturing was or became.
 
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I contacted the Niagara County Historian's Office:
(http://www.facebook.com/pages/Niagara-County-Historians-Office/299057299891)
Hopefully they will be able to tell us something about it, they seem to know everything about Lockport (I sure miss the place sometimes). I didn't remember there being a 'Race Street' in Lockport when I was a kid, and it doesn't show up on google maps or mapquest, so I am curious what is there now and if it gives any indication of what RV Manufacturing was or became.

Thanks very much Nooner. It's efforts like this and from everyone else who post in that makes this thread so interesting and informative. You guys rock!! :thumbup:

Thomas
 

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This is awesome guys! Thanks for all the help!

However, as not to clutter this tread to much OT, I set up a new thread just for the jack:
The (RV Manufacturing Corp) hydraulic floor jack find

If you have any more info, please post it there, so we keep this thread nice and tidy, as pr Thomas' specs! :D

BTW, won't be getting it up and running in a few days, it's currently 15 degrees C below (5 degrees F) here, and my workshop is not insulated or heated. Brrr...
 

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Originally posted by Babaluba 01-09-2013 (post #6253)

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(anyone recognize the gearbox, btw?) :dunno:

Pretty sure the gearbox is a transmission from a 1930-31 Model AA Ford truck; it was the first four-speed transmission Ford installed in a heavy truck.

The first photo below shows what kind of truck it came from; this is an early 1930 Model AA Ford truck with the square-shaped cab.

If you will enlarge the far right photo attachment you will see the Ford part number on the left side of the shift tower (part number AA-7222). If yours has that number then you can conclusively confirm that is what it is. The two "bosses" on the lower part of your shift tower (facing toward the floor) are the bolt holes where the parking brake would have been attached originally.

It's a standard 4-speed shift pattern with reverse being to the right and back toward the driver's seat. Originally it had a "reverse lock-out" thumb release lever which would have been attached where the hole in your shift lever is at the top near the shift knob.

The plate facing down on your transmission (above the electric motor on your drill press) is the PTO cover.

Surprisingly, both the transmission and the drill press appear to be the correct original "Ford Engine Green" in color. :beer:

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