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Still watching this thread

Two million views, so close now ...... Got to be some kind of record in the world of forums.

Well done and thanks for sharing and teaching.
 
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Thanks to Tomas and Chris dedication this thread is one that is almost ALWAYS interesting to sneak into. Most other threads kind of starts idling after a while, not this one.
 
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Hello Thomas, Chris and GJ crew.
I thought about you and your switch plate the other day as I was checking some wiring in my shop. As I replaced a switch plate I noticed it was crooked so I attempted to adjust the switch in the box to straigten the switch plate. I gave up and will live with my crooked switch plate. I'm thinking the switch box is warped. It is the plastic type that nails to the post or stud. My shop is not anywhere near the high standard of yours but we do have at least one thing in common. Sorry if this opens an old wound.
Take care
Vince

O that will make him feel better :) !!

The trick I think is to know when it really matters and when it's just for self satisfaction. Trying to work to high standards is admirable and all but it can bog you down unnecessarily if you aren't careful. I spent a good bit of time on that trim plate, did my best without going too crazy and it still got the best of me.......but I did give it a shot. Vince, maybe we can tell folks visiting our respective shops we left it that way on purpose to see if they were paying attention. :dunno: Thanks for thinking of me now when you see a crooked switch trim plate.............I think.

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Thomas, I'm probably older than you, and I have often had to ask my nephews (who seem to always be texting) what the abbreviations mean. And sometimes, I wish I hadn't asked!

I grew up with the understanding that you shouldn't write it if you wouldn't have wanted your parents or grandparents to read it. Or say to the person IN person. But that doesn't seem to apply to a lot of communications today, especially the electronic forms.

Guess that makes me a fuddy duddy........Is that okay to say?

GGB

Oh sure that's fine to say. Since we deal in so much "old stuff" here, this thread may well be referred to as Fuddy Duddy Central for all I know. :)

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okay I can not lie I have badly screwed up on the 10 pages a day thing....

I hit page 199 cannot go further saw GUS arrive made me tear up! I have a 53 cj3b sitting waiting to be restored, I bought it in 1998 for my sons to restore, then 3 weeks later was hurt at work resulting in my knee ending up with a lot of medical practice on it and we have not done much since (this might be the push to get going)
Thomas and Chris if ND wasnt as far away from ILL as it is Id show up just to air up my tires love the aerometers....


.....love the old tools and everything else associated with this shop..
as an old bracket racer the old muscle cars are just so cool!!!

gordyy, your secrete is safe with us if you can't hold to your 10 page limit. Just keep plowing though it.

GUS does have a tearful effect on people I've noticed, and here I always thought it was out of pity for him only having a 65 H/P engine. Now I know other factors may be in play to cause the crying. Hope you are motivated to get your '53 going. You'll love it, trust me. ;)

Keep us posted with your progress through the thread. After all, we do have a support group here to help you along if you get too bogged down. Good luck!

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Thomas, and Chris
Well I am only up to page 123 and just had to say WOW and thank you for sharing your lives and passion with the rest of the world!
Everyone has used the expletives that I would use to describe this thread, just keep up the fantastic job, I still have 2 yrs of reading to catch up on! (Glad the wife is out of town on business, so I can read til the wee small hours!

Love it!!

Guss

Hi Guss, Chris was gone for a few days earlier this week and you'll note some of my posts were done in the wee small hours too. It is handy isn't it? Shanghai makes you our first post from China I believe. As it so happens our "adopted" daughter is from Shanghai and she is back there now teaching at Fudan University. She tells me growing up in Shanghai there was nothing remotely like the old restored shop anywhere she's aware of. As a business maybe but not as a hobby. She loves visiting the shop whenever she's here and all the cars, GUS especially. He just has a way with women it seems. ;)

I'm glad you found something to occupy yourself while the Mrs. is gone. It's been lot's of fun sharing my adventures with everyone. Thanks so much for the kind thoughts.

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Umm... :dunno: Meadow Cookie??

:lol_hitti

Thomas, I bet a fair number of those Under-30s don't know the meaning of FUBAR and SNAFU and certainly have never seen a tin of Shinola, let alone recognize the contents.

In honor of this fantastic thread, I wanted to post a picture of Shinola because I know for certain you have never posted it's opposite.
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It is important you know the difference between the one "not posted" and the one posted.

Ron

Somehow telling someone they don't know Meadow Cookie from Shinola loses something in the translation don't you think? :dunno:

BTW, that might be the first can of Shinola I've ever seen. I'm honored.

Thomas
 

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Countries updated on page 97 (#1921) to 35. Still looking for Antarctica to complete the continents.

Thanks to Ryan for his patience and indulgence for a picture- and text-heavy thread with lots of good interaction and contributions. Can't believe we surpassed 2mil views!

It would certainly be interesting to know how many were brought to GJ because of our thread who then continued with GJ by starting a thread or responding to other threads. Many of the names are becoming familiar as I read through other parts of the GJ forum.

Chris
 

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Countries updated on page 97 (#1921) to 35. Still looking for Antarctica to complete the continents.

Thanks to Ryan for his patience and indulgence for a picture- and text-heavy thread with lots of good interaction and contributions. Can't believe we surpassed 2mil views!

It would certainly be interesting to know how many were brought to GJ because of our thread who then continued with GJ by starting a thread or responding to other threads. Many of the names are becoming familiar as I read through other parts of the GJ forum.

Chris

I came here from http://www.earlycj5.net/forums/forum.php.
 
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Amish Factory - Part II - It Isn't Pronounced Pee neumatic!

Since the Amish can't use electricity even in their business in any real, meaningful way, they adapted hydraulic and pneumatic powered equipment as a substitute. Having already seen hydraulic machines earlier, here are some pneumatic powered examples...

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... a conventional bandsaw...

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...with a pneumatic powered motor.

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IMG_4771.jpg

Pneumatic powered fans are just a few more examples of how they've adapted modern equipment to a unconventional power source. The power source for all the factory hydraulics and pneumatics was done with 2 extremely large diesel engines located behind the plant. One powered an enormous air compressor and the other a large hydraulic pump. I tried to get some pictures but was unable unfortunately. :sad: I haven't given up and if I can get some I will post them at a later date.

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As noted in Part I, this factory specializes in makes butcher block tops of all sizes. Once borads are cut to the proper width they begin the laminating process.

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This is a container full of glue that flows to...

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...the roller seen in front and below this...

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...stack of boards. Once they have glue on one edge...

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...they are stacked in this jig with care toward orientation of the wood grain...

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...where they are clamped while the glue dries. Note this butcher block assembly has random width boards.

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This clamping machine will hold these clamped tops for several hours while the glue sets up.

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Once they are dry, the tops are sanded.

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They are rough going in and...

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...smooth when they come out.

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Once sanded they are stacked and then cut to ordered widths.The factory also does custom work when so ordered.

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Here's a special order laminated stack. This appears to be about 10" X 10" or 12" X 12". Once laminated like this, it will be dimensionally much more stable than if it consisted of a single chunk of wood of the same size. You might remember that's why I used laminated legs on the Barn Bench.

The factory was in full production when I took these pictures but you don't see too many people. One reason is many Amish prefer not to have photographs taken of themselves which I tried to repect and the other is the plant is highly mechanized. Even without electrical power as a main power source that factory is still extremely modern and efficient. Everyone I talked to was exceptionally friendly, proud of their craft and very willing to stop with what they were doing and answer any questions I had. I can certainly vouch for the quality of the work they produce. Top notch all the way.

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Once my tops were ready we did use a fork lift to load both of them.

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You can see I use my truck for work, but I did use a couple of furniture blankets and some cardboard to protect the bed.

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This main top alone for the BB weighs several hundred pounds and would have been just to unwieldy and dangerous to fabricate in our small shop. The factory was an interesting experience, I took over 100 photographs and these are just a small sampling of the various machines and work done there. I hope this was of some interest and gives some more background to...

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...the Barn Bench. Thanks again everyone.

Thomas
 

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Somehow telling someone they don't know Meadow Cookie from Shinola loses something in the translation don't you think? :dunno:

BTW, that might be the first can of Shinola I've ever seen. I'm honored.

Thomas
This quote was referencing his Avatar of 2 Buffalo not the Shinola...
"And if anyone from the San Antonio area can help me find a way to buy an actual print of it, there is a cookie in it for you. "

It seems the Meadow Cookie comment was a sad attempt at humor, I will now go back to quietly wishing for Tool Shed Dig Photos :( while checking out the latest cool machinery...

On another note, translations for the under 50 crowd...
FUBAR - F***ed Up Beyond All Reason
SNAFU - Situation Normal, All F***ed Up
 
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Joe, I think you mean "over 50". Google is my friend for all those acronyms the "kids" use. I'm not very good at using all those letters - heck, I don't even call my own children by nicknames or use their initials! (It took me a while, back in the day, to figure out what LOL meant - I felt a little silly asking, but finally got it.) I like writing things out - not as many mistakes on meaning that way. On the other hand (OTOH), acronyms are necessary on this thread - make sure you're paying attention! It could come in handy.

Chris

(so Tom just corrected me. He said those were really old acronyms that he thinks kids don't know or use. Well, my students taught them to me 30+ years ago before there was even texting and all this short-hand stuff - they thought it was a cool way to get away with using "bad" words at school. Vietnam-era parents of some of my students used it in regular conversation, so their kids did, too; thus, I had to pick up on it pretty fast back in the 70s.)
 
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gordyy, your secrete is safe with us if you can't hold to your 10 page limit. Just keep plowing though it.
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Well I powered through the whole thing in 2 days when the weather was bad and I coudln't get any work done.:bounce: It was a long read but the weather was so bad no much moved and I didn't get any work done.:wtf: The read was well worth it though.:thumbup:

Came here from www.turbobuick.com myself, which is one of the best sites on the web if you want to know about the 78 to 87 Turbo Regal and Pontiac TTA's.:3gears:
 

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Amish Factory - Part II - It Isn't Pronounced Pee neumatic!

Since the Amish can't use electricity even in their business in any real, meaningful way, they adapted hydraulic and pneumatic powered equipment as a substitute. Having already seen hydraulic machines earlier, here are some pneumatic powered examples...

IMG_4803.jpg


... a conventional bandsaw...

IMG_4804.jpg


...with a pneumatic powered motor.

IMG_4794.jpg


IMG_4771.jpg


Pneumatic powered fans are just a few more examples of how they've adapted modern equipment to a unconventional power source. The power source for all the factory hydraulics and pneumatics was done with 2 extremely large diesel engines located behind the plant. One powered an enormous air compressor and the other a large hydraulic pump. I tried to get some pictures but was unable unfortunately. :sad: I haven't given up and if I can get some I will post them at a later date.

IMG_4768.jpg


As noted in Part I, this factory specializes in makes butcher block tops of all sizes. Once borads are cut to the proper width they begin the laminating process.

IMG_4816.jpg


This is a container full of glue that flows to...

IMG_4817.jpg


...the roller seen in front and below this...

IMG_4821_zps6a5ebe98.jpg


...stack of boards. Once they have glue on one edge...

IMG_4818.jpg


...they are stacked in this jig with care toward orientation of the wood grain...

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...where they are clamped while the glue dries. Note this butcher block assembly has random width boards.

IMG_4823.jpg


This clamping machine will hold these clamped tops for several hours while the glue sets up.

IMG_4824.jpg


IMG_4825.jpg


Once they are dry, the tops are sanded.

IMG_4830.jpg


They are rough going in and...

IMG_4831_zps3c012ab3.jpg


...smooth when they come out.

IMG_4829.jpg


Once sanded they are stacked and then cut to ordered widths.The factory also does custom work when so ordered.

IMG_4832.jpg


Here's a special order laminated stack. This appears to be about 10" X 10" or 12" X 12". Once laminated like this, it will be dimensionally much more stable than if it consisted of a single chunk of wood of the same size. You might remember that's why I used laminated legs on the Barn Bench.

The factory was in full production when I took these pictures but you don't see too many people. One reason is many Amish prefer not to have photographs taken of themselves which I tried to repect and the other is the plant is highly mechanized. Even without electrical power as a main power source that factory is still extremely modern and efficient. Everyone I talked to was exceptionally friendly, proud of their craft and very willing to stop with what they were doing and answer any questions I had. I can certainly vouch for the quality of the work they produce. Top notch all the way.

IMG_4841.jpg


Once my tops were ready we did use a fork lift to load both of them.

IMG_4844.jpg


You can see I use my truck for work, but I did use a couple of furniture blankets and some cardboard to protect the bed.

IMG_4846_zpsdf4861f0.jpg


This main top alone for the BB weighs several hundred pounds and would have been just to unwieldy and dangerous to fabricate in our small shop. The factory was an interesting experience, I took over 100 photographs and these are just a small sampling of the various machines and work done there. I hope this was of some interest and gives some more background to...

IMG_1969_zps0f000107.jpg


...the Barn Bench. Thanks again everyone.

Thomas

This is a great post! Lots of woodworking and machinery. What's not to like about that? Thanks Thomas.

Jim C.
 

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Joe, I think you mean "over 50". Google is my friend for all those acronyms the "kids" use. I'm not very good at using all those letters - heck, I don't even call my own children by nicknames or use their initials! (It took me a while, back in the day, to figure out what LOL meant - I felt a little silly asking, but finally got it.) I like writing things out - not as many mistakes on meaning that way. On the other hand (OTOH), acronyms are necessary on this thread - make sure you're paying attention! It could come in handy.

Chris

(so Tom just corrected me. He said those were really old acronyms that he thinks kids don't know or use. Well, my students taught them to me 30+ years ago before there was even texting and all this short-hand stuff - they thought it was a cool way to get away with using "bad" words at school. Vietnam-era parents of some of my students used it in regular conversation, so their kids did, too; thus, I had to pick up on it pretty fast back in the 70s.)

LOL... Your students from so long ago probably picked up the terminology from their Parents or Grandparents... I believed those two acronyms to have originated during WW2 but looked them up anyway http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_military_slang_terms and learned a couple more... :D
 

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All I know is I sure hope the test is done somewhere before the next 75 pages are caught up with!!

I think the 10 pages a day rule is behind about 10 days already

but I am refusing to skip ahead (only allowing for what pops up when I hit an email about a replied to thread) otherwise I am going to be a hurting gordyy.
because tests I am not to good on

however I have made it these last 55 yrs with the theme
"IF YOU CAN'T DAZZLE EM WITH BRILLIANCE --- BAFFLE EM WITH BULL5*1T
 

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I formerly moderated another board and found the "urban dictionary" website to be handy to ferret out those folks trying to slip one by the mods. Some of the stuff on there can kind of leave you feeling :shocking:

Speaking of old military acronyms I wonder if Mr Thomas is familiar with term WOXOF?
 

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When I found this thread it was on page 35, been following it ever since, but my memory isn't what it used to be. What about shorter tests maybe 10 to 15 pages then the final exam. That way we probally won't ever have the final because Thomas is never gonna be finished with this project. There is always going to be another Vice, Drill Press, Gus, Work Bench, House, you see what I am saying probally no final exam, time for recess.
 

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Don't worry, be happy.

OMG, Spareparts! Shorter tests with 10-15 pages each and then a final exam!? Don't worry. It'll never happen that way! Don't scare everyone, anticipating the worst.

I hate making tests with the "gotcha" factor anyway - I never did it with my students in 35 years and wouldn't want to begin now and ruin a good record. My position on tests is they should be good learning experiences in themselves, not a summative evaluation. Many times, I didn't even announce a test because students got too anxious with anticipating the worst. If everyone kept up with the daily content, they would do well on the tests which were really just like daily work, but used for an official test grade.

You'll all do fine, no matter where you came into the vortex.

Working furiously, during all my spare time, to make that promised quest,

Chris
 
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Don't worry, be happy.

OMG, Spareparts! Shorter tests with 10-15 pages each and then a final exam!? Don't worry. It'll never happen that way! Don't scare everyone, anticipating the worst.

I hate making tests with the "gotcha" factor anyway - I never did it with my students in 35 years and wouldn't want to begin now and ruin a good record. My position on tests is they should be good learning experiences in themselves, not a summative evaluation. Many times, I didn't even announce a test because students got too anxious with anticipating the worst. If everyone kept up with the daily content, they would do well on the tests which were really just like daily work, but used for an official test grade.

You'll all do fine, no matter where you came into the vortex.

Working furiously, during all my spare time, to make that promised quest,

Chris

Oh no Now I can see the test has not happened what did I get myself into:dunno: Is there any chance of an oral make up part of the test I write really bad but I can speww a line of BS that can fool the best of em
 

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No essay or short answers required (unless, maybe, on an extra credit question)(I hate grading essays!). Relax! Practice some deep breathing. Enjoy the journey (otherwise it's not FUN). It's just another day in paradise!

Chris
 

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Miss Chris,

What about another box of chocolates, instead of the Dreaded Test?

I think that we might be able to rustle up another box or two!

I know where to get some Girl Scout cookies. Will that help?

...and if it doesn't. I know where to get some Boy Scout popcorn.
 

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Somehow telling someone they don't know Meadow Cookie from Shinola loses something in the translation don't you think? :dunno:

BTW, that might be the first can of Shinola I've ever seen. I'm honored.

Thomas

Yeah Thomas, me too. I always thought Shinola was a location. Kinda like B.F.E.


This quote was referencing his Avatar of 2 Buffalo not the Shinola...
"And if anyone from the San Antonio area can help me find a way to buy an actual print of it, there is a cookie in it for you. "

It seems the Meadow Cookie comment was a sad attempt at humor, I will now go back to quietly wishing for Tool Shed Dig Photos :( while checking out the latest cool machinery...

On another note, translations for the under 50 crowd...
FUBAR - F***ed Up Beyond All Reason
SNAFU - Situation Normal, All F***ed Up

Joe, to the best of my knowledge, that was not two buffalo in the pic, but only one, doing his best at keeping personal hygiene a priority! Must have been a avid yoga enthusiast.
 

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Nothing to dread at all! And I don't take bribes (shame on you for suggesting such a thing, Sweet Old Bill, though the earlier gifts of chocolates were very thoughtful and appreciated - to say the least, you went above and beyond to visit our shop).

Thin mints are the best GS cookies, especially since they changed the recipe of the peanut butter ones - but don't send any since we still need to support our local GS troops. Boy Scout popcorn is also tempting, but, again, we need to support our locals here. Thanks for the thoughtful ideas for bribes, though!

(Hmmm, my students never thought to bribe me. I always warned them at the beginning of each quarter that they could be given a pop quiz at any time. They just behaved, hoping I wouldn't pop a test on them as punishment. I think I gave everyone fair warning. Don't get all serious and worried on me now.)

I don't grade on a curve; straight percentage only. You're only competing against yourself. There's no competition for highest score on the final evaluation, either! I'm working out the study guide and test format (yikes! What have I gotten myself into?).

It's all good (and did I say fun?).

Back to work for me,

Chris
 
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Yeah Thomas, me too. I always thought Shinola was a location. Kinda like B.F.E.

Oh I've to B.F.E.......... several times. Fly for the airlines long enough and eventual you'll get to go there, maybe even have a layover there. :wtf:

Thomas
 

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Hmmm, my students never thought to bribe me. I always warned them at the beginning of each quarter that they could be given a pop quiz at any time. They just behaved, hoping I wouldn't pop a test on them as punishment. I think I gave everyone fair warning. Don't get all serious and worried on me now.)

Chris

How about some homemade apple/raspberry/white grape wine.:evil:
 

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(Hmmm, my students never thought to bribe me. I always warned them at the beginning of each quarter that they could be given a pop quiz at any time. They just behaved, hoping I wouldn't pop a test on them as punishment. I think I gave everyone fair warning. Don't get all serious and worried on me now.)

I don't grade on a curve; straight percentage only. You're only competing against yourself. There's no competition for highest score on the final evaluation, either! I'm working out the study guide and test format (yikes! What have I gotten myself into?).

It's all good (and did I say fun?).

Back to work for me,

Chris

If we keep adding valuable content she wont be able to keep up and the dreaded test will never happen...

Still patiently waiting for the end of 2012 Archeological Dig Report for the Tool Shed Excavation.... :thumbup:
 

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I think that's what some people have in mind, Joe. I was never any good with deadlines....

Chris

(it seems like this thread is getting nearly 1k views/day)
 
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Sometimes, like tonight, I stumble across this thread and spend an hour - or two - looking through the photo's again. It's hard to resist the opportunity to review history of something of such great interest to us here and then to see the incredible transformation and renewal at the hands of an obviously gifted historian and restorer.

It would be great if a new thread could be started with just the photo's and Thomas' commentary. Perhaps a project for one of the mods who also realizes the significance of this thread to the GJ site and it many interested members?
 

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Sometimes, like tonight, I stumble across this thread and spend an hour - or two - looking through the photo's again. It's hard to resist the opportunity to review history of something of such great interest to us here and then to see the incredible transformation and renewal at the hands of an obviously gifted historian and restorer.

It would be great if a new thread could be started with just the photo's and Thomas' commentary. Perhaps a project for one of the mods who also realizes the significance of this thread to the GJ site and it many interested members?

I second this motion:thumbup:
But it would have to be in addition to this thread of coarse. Too much friend building and interactional learning going on in this one to ignore it.
 

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I second this motion:thumbup:
But it would have to be in addition to this thread of coarse. Too much friend building and interactional learning going on in this one to ignore it.

How about the ability to filter a thread to show ONLY the posts by the OP? Then we get ONLY the pictures of the thread and the OP's comments. That should be pretty simple functionality for the administrator to give us.
 

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1K viewings a day???? Holy Mackerel!!! That is really something, but I understand.

I stumbled in here last winter surfing around trying to find a manual for my Sun 1600 Alternator Service Center. I have not left yet, nor have I found a manual for my Service Center.

This does seem to be a very popular place. I appreciate everything here, especially the photos and descriptions. It is all way beyond my budget, but I really like it. I would have a hard time getting rid of all the treasures that have been uncovered on that property. Maybe some, but not many. Keep up the good work.

Ron
 
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