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ok, something i never quite understood about houses

why not have a garage attached to the house?

the port cochere is a nice feature, but wouldn't be where i leave my cars everyday..... that would be for my guests to pull up when they are over.


I know you have the barn, and the old workshop to store vehicles, but wouldn't you also want a garage attached to the house for your daily drive, so that when its snowing/raining your car is available to you without stepping outside?
 
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ok, something i never quite understood about houses

why not have a garage attached to the house?

the port cochere is a nice feature, but wouldn't be where i leave my cars everyday..... that would be for my guests to pull up when they are over.


I know you have the barn, and the old workshop to store vehicles, but wouldn't you also want a garage attached to the house for your daily drive, so that when its snowing/raining your car is available to you without stepping outside?

In the plan drawing, the West elevation shows two single garage doors on the left side of the house. When you click on the drawing, it takes you to Photobucket and two additional interior plan drawings. The first floor plan shows a rather large garage built into the home.
 

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Bob's correct - 2-car attached (over-sized) garage with access to the basement under the house. And db2221 is correct about "the port cochere" being "for my guests to pull up when they are over" so they are protected from the weather. We always liked that feature in older homes.

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ok, something i never quite understood about houses

why not have a garage attached to the house?

the port cochere is a nice feature, but wouldn't be where i leave my cars everyday..... that would be for my guests to pull up when they are over.


I know you have the barn, and the old workshop to store vehicles, but wouldn't you also want a garage attached to the house for your daily drive, so that when its snowing/raining your car is available to you without stepping outside?

In the plan drawing, the West elevation shows two single garage doors on the left side of the house. When you click on the drawing, it takes you to Photobucket and two additional interior plan drawings. The first floor plan shows a rather large garage built into the home.

Hello db2221 and welcome to the ever widening circle of friends here. The blue prints are very small and hard to read on the computer. You are so correct about a port cochere being primarily for the use of ones friends and guests and that is primarily what we have in mind for ours. As Bob did point out...

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...the west elevation and the first floor plan shows a nice oversized 2 car attached garage. These plans are a somewhat older version as the garage is now sized at 27' X 41' X 10' high (8.2m X 12.5m X 3m) and equipped with a materials elevator/lift (green circle) for moving machinery and the like into the full basement.

Old school thinking had garages detached so in case of a fire breaking out in them, it would not spread to the main house. 50 -75 years ago garage fires were much more common than today. We've got several firefighters that visit this thread, I wonder if they could tell us what percentage of their calls involve fires that started in the garage either attached or unattached?

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That sewing machine isn't quite as old as you think Thomas. Took a while to find anything about them but the Free brand was created after 1910. Looks like it was made sometime around WWI period but the company stayed around until the late 50's. What I did find interesting is that there's a sewing machine collector society.:dunno:

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In 1895 the Illinois Sewing Machine Co was founded using assets from the former Royal Sewing Machine Co of Rockford, Illinois. Will C. Free became the president by 1910, and organized a parent company - the Free Sewing Machine Co. Production continued in Rockford until 1958, when it relocated to Los Angeles, California. Manufacture finally ceased about 1969.

http://www.ismacs.net/free/home.html

I see that charlief1 so I think your guess is better than mine. I was guessing off the age of her great grand mother and the fact that it was a treadle powered machine. I don't know when electric motors became main stream on sewing machines. Obviously later than I would have thought. Thanks for the backgroung on the Free Sewing Machine Co. :thumbup:

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I have been following this thread for a long time like many others, and today I went back to the first page to see the original shop. One line on the first page really stood out: "I'll post some more pictures if there is any interest.
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I think you have some interest...

Thanks for that reminder akqj9, I'd forgotten I'd written that. Well at the time who knew?? :eek: I'm glad, generally speaking, the information I've posted here has been well received. My intent has been to share with other like minded enthusiasts. I just had no idea there are so many of us! :)

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Just saw this being advertised on the NSRA (UK) For Sales forum & immediately thought of you! It's not a Jerauld but looks close, it's described as a Tardel, but whatever it is, it sold complete for £300.

Not sure about the front "carb" though!!:lol:



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We've got several firefighters that visit this thread, I wonder if they could tell us what percentage of their calls involve fires that started in the garage either attached or unattached?

Curious Thomas

Thomas, I don't have an exact percentage in mind, but will say in my 15 years in the fire service, the number of garage fires either attached or detached is quite low compared to something like electrical fires in the main body of the house. I do recall one especially bad attached garage fire that fully involved the house and left us with the skeleton of a '68 Corvette (reportedly professionally restored) in the garage. However, the accelerant trail into the house, circling around the living room, and tracing up the stairs to the second floor may have had something to do with the whole thing.... :rolleyes2

I think the most important part is to practice common sense safety in both the home and garage and install appropriate monitored detectors. Of course there is always this option too for the garage:

http://www.ceasefire.com/fire-suppression/?gclid=CLaG9ZqA-bkCFcwWMgodUDkArA

Griot's Garage used to sell two homeowner versions of ceiling mounted automatic dry chemical extinguishers, but I didn't see them on their website just now.

Plans look great by the way! As usual! :thumbup:

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Hello db2221 and welcome to the ever widening circle of friends here. The blue prints are very small and hard to read on the computer. You are so correct about a port cochere being primarily for the use of ones friends and guests and that is primarily what we have in mind for ours. As Bob did point out...

;) well there you go!

Looks beautiful
 

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Thomas, your house plans look great. I like the design a whole lot. You can bet we will all want to be updated as you build it, if you have time!
 

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Nice job, love the interior décor. However I would have went full on rustic on the exterior. With all kinds of vintage signs and such. Even thinking a cool retro neon sign would be cool. Just what I would do but I still love it and admire the hard work involved.
 

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Thanks, MechMyl. I know Tom wanted to balance the "look" of a working shop along a well-traveled road with the actual location within a residential neighborhood. Thus, he went more under-stated with the exterior Ecometer and no signage (esp. neon). We didn't want people constantly stopping by to inquire about service on their cars (it's happened many times when Tom's working out there). We'll eventually be living next door and certainly don't want to take on a new profession in our retirement (though the GJ family keeps coming up with ideas to keep us busier than we are!).

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One thing I got from this thread is a greater appreciation for vintage tools and restoring them to be used. I now search for them at swap meets. thanks

Thanks for that reminder akqj9, I'd forgotten I'd written that. Well at the time who knew?? :eek: I'm glad, generally speaking, the information I've posted here has been well received. My intent has been to share with other like minded enthusiasts. I just had no idea there are so many of us! :)

Still enthusiastic Thomas
 
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With the '91 Chevy pickup's transmission repaired, it was stump grinder day today...



It's not all glamorous shop work done out here. There are times I have to do grounds maintenance work such as getting rid of unwanted tree stumps. We had a powerful horizontal wind blow through this last spring that brought down a substantial Hackberry tree.



It was quite similar in size to this tree which fell about 3 years ago also due to high winds. After what was left of the trunk was cut off, the remaining stump needed to be removed.



So, I rented a stump grinder to do just that. Very neat machine that is self-propelled and able to maneuver into some pretty tight areas.



Here you see the working end of the grinder...



Unlike older grinders this one doesn't use a blade...



...rather these short, harden rods and it literally grinds away the stump. Everything thing is hydraulically powered and it operates extremely well. I was very pleased with how well it performed. Since I had it out at the property I also ground out some neighbors stumps. It cost $36 an hour or $180 for all day. I used it on a total of 15 stumps of various sizes which took till dark to finish them all but it's done and I have happy neighbors which is priceless to me. :thumbup: Unfortunately I don't have any pictures of it in action, it creates lots of dust which I didn't think would be a good environment for the camera so you'll just have to use your imagination. I'll probably have another stump to grind later this fall or next spring. If it's not so dry and dusty I'll see if I can get some action shots then.

Stump free Thomas
 
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Just saw this being advertised on the NSRA (UK) For Sales forum & immediately thought of you! It's not a Jerauld but looks close, it's described as a Tardel, but whatever it is, it sold complete for £300.

Not sure about the front "carb" though!!:lol:



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Except for the name not being cast into it, that's a dead ringer for Jerauld's "Y" manifold. I can see why you thought of me MisteR Tee. ;) That front carb must be one of those "new fangled" carbs that is supposed to give you 90 MPG I bet. Probably works in conjunction with a Flux Capacitor. :dunno: Not sure if I've ever seen an air cleaner cover like that before either.

Many thanks for passing the picture along. Hope Jacob or Randy gets to see it.

Thomas
 

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That sewing machine isn't quite as old as you think Thomas. Took a while to find anything about them but the Free brand was created after 1910. Looks like it was made sometime around WWI period but the company stayed around until the late 50's. What I did find interesting is that there's a sewing machine collector society.:dunno:

Free.
In 1895 the Illinois Sewing Machine Co was founded using assets from the former Royal Sewing Machine Co of Rockford, Illinois. Will C. Free became the president by 1910, and organized a parent company - the Free Sewing Machine Co. Production continued in Rockford until 1958, when it relocated to Los Angeles, California. Manufacture finally ceased about 1969.

http://www.ismacs.net/free/home.html

Thank you for posting the link to this society, I'm going to forward it to my brother. He came into possession of a very old (early 1900's) sewing machine and was wondering where to get some info on it.
 
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Here's a quick overview of some shop happenings of late that I haven't had the time to do a proper post on:



...and of course...



...and then there's....



...and there's always time for vintage...





...racing believe it or not. Almost all the "racing" machines were manufactured before 1942.



Note the "Christmas Tree" starting light in the middle of the picture which explains...



...why this 1941 Studebaker is peeling out across a START line in front of the court house in the background with hundreds of spectators cheering him on.

Details to follow, gotta go fly. :)

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Hi Thomas,

I really like those two metal lathes. Do you use them much? What sort of projects do you use them for?

Jim C.
 

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Thomas, at the vintage races at Coronado one of the drivers was drinking this soda pop(root beer ?). I thought it might be good addition to shop Pepsi machine. As soon as I finish I will send you a new key fob for Gus.----Lou---
 

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...racing believe it or not. Almost all the "racing" machines were manufactured before 1942.



...why this Ford is peeling out across a START line in front of the court house in the background with hundreds of spectators cheering him on.

Details to follow, gotta go fly. :)

Thomas
Thomas,

I think that black beauty is a 1941 Studebaker. The chrome spear is unique to that year. This one came from the factory with 2-tone paint and wheels to match the spear.
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Thank you for posting the link to this society, I'm going to forward it to my brother. He came into possession of a very old (early 1900's) sewing machine and was wondering where to get some info on it.

More than happy this helped you out Al.:beer: People collect just about anything but I was still surprised that there was a group just for this.:dunno:
 
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Thomas, at the vintage races at Coronado one of the drivers was drinking this soda pop(root beer ?). I thought it might be good addition to shop Pepsi machine. As soon as I finish I will send you a new key fob for Gus.----Lou---

Thomas, found out it was creme soda. seems to be available from Amazon.--Lou--

Hello there Lou and thanks for posting that. That same company also makes Virgil's Root Beer. I get it whenever I can from my local soda pop distributor and put in the Pepsi machine out in the shop. Clearly Lou, you need to visit the shop more often to take advantage of it when I have some. :) Gus will be mighty appreciative of a key fob made with a bottle cap from one. :thumbup:

Side note; a really neat neighbor kid, about 5 years old, has been asking for a ride in the "blue car" (Corvette) and I was finally able to give him one yesterday. While riding along he asked about every gauge and switch in the car, even the glove box. Afterword, while out in the shop, he asked about the Pepsi machine and how it worked having never seen one before. He quickly discovered you just pull the bottles out, no money was necessary. He selected an Orange Crush and I showed him how to use the bottle opener in the machine door which he thought was pretty cool. Anyway, he has happily drinking it as I was taking him home. Once there, he leaped out of the car, Orange Crush in hand, and ran yelling " Hey Mom, look what I've got and it was free!! You just have to reach in and pull it out, wow!!" I think I had more fun out of that whole experience than he did, no- correction, I know I had more fun than he did. :lol: Appreciate the simple things in life.

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Thomas,

I think that black beauty is a 1941 Studebaker. The chrome spear is unique to that year. This one came from the factory with 2-tone paint and wheels to match the spear.
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Yessir. Studebaker, not a Ford.

Ron

Thanks guys for the help on the proper ID. Pre- WW II models are not one of my strong suits. :eek: I have now edited the post with that correction. That competition event was first held in June, 1909 and is just for cars, trucks and now motorcycles, manufactured before 1942 or orphan manufacturers such as Studebaker, Willys, Packard etc if they were orphaned before 1955. They do have a modified class for Model T's only. I'll post more about it shortly.

Thomas
 

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Hello there Lou and thanks for posting that. That same company also makes Virgil's Root Beer. I get it whenever I can from my local soda pop distributor and put in the Pepsi machine out in the shop. Clearly Lou, you need to visit the shop more often to take advantage of it when I have some. :) Gus will be mighty appreciative of a key fob made with a bottle cap from one. :thumbup:

Side note; a really neat neighbor kid, about 5 years old, has been asking for a ride in the "blue car" (Corvette) and I was finally able to give him one yesterday. While riding along he asked about every gauge and switch in the car, even the glove box. Afterword, while out in the shop, he asked about the Pepsi machine and how it worked having never seen one before. He quickly discovered you just pull the bottles out, no money was necessary. He selected an Orange Crush and I showed him how to use the bottle opener in the machine door which he thought was pretty cool. Anyway, he has happily drinking it as I was taking him home. Once there, he leaped out of the car, Orange Crush in hand, and ran yelling " Hey Mom, look what I've got and it was free!! You just have to reach in and pull it out, wow!!" I think I had more fun out of that whole experience than he did, no- correction, I know I had more fun than he did. :lol: Appreciate the simple things in life.

Thomas

Awesome.:thumbup:
 
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Hi Thomas,

I really like those two metal lathes. Do you use them much? What sort of projects do you use them for?

Jim C.

Jim, I'm not ignoring you honest! Once I get home I'll follow up on what I'm doing with those lathes. I'm having a bit of a problem posting pictures on the road. I also haven't forgotten to do a better post on all the wood working equipment in the wood shop that you requested a while back. ;)

Thomas
 

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Jim, I'm not ignoring you honest! Once I get home I'll follow up on what I'm doing with those lathes. I'm having a bit of a problem posting pictures on the road. I also haven't forgotten to do a better post on all the wood working equipment in the wood shop that you requested a while back. ;)

Thomas

That's no problem Thomas. Like many here, I'm following along, and enjoying the twisting turning path of topics and events as they arise. I do like old machinery, so I appreciate seeing them in your shop. I kind of focused on your metal lathes because I'd like to eventually get an old one for my shop. I have a woodworking lathe that I use all the time, but zero experience with a metal lathe. Still, I have to believe that they're handy and with all the tooling and parts that go with them.......well, I just want one! They look like a lot of fun to use.

Jim C.
 

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Jim, Those old lathes look like Southbends 9A's I believe.
if you log onto Practical Machinist there is a whole subsection devoted to them.
You can occasionally find one for sale.
I've got a 9C I'm just starting to restore.
Phil
 

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Jim, Those old lathes look like Southbends 9A's I believe.
if you log onto Practical Machinist there is a whole subsection devoted to them.
You can occasionally find one for sale.
I've got a 9C I'm just starting to restore.
Phil

Hey Phil,

Thanks for the reference. I checked out that site last night. Very nice old machines there. All that did was make me want a metal lathe even more! The only drawback I see is buying a machine that I have nearly ZERO experience using. I have a nice working collection of old woodworking machinery, that I learned how to use back in junior high and high school. The school district I went to had vocational arts courses that started in junior high and went all the way through high school. Early on, in junior high, students could take basic electronics, metal working, wood working and auto mechanics. After experiencing each basic course in junior high, the student, with some guidance from the teachers, usually choose one path to pursue in high school. Well, I got on the woodworking path, and those skills have served me well during the past 35 years. No complaints. I really enjoy working with wood! Unfortunately, after those initial junior high, semester long classes in the other three disciplines, I never got any other metal working or electronics experience. Fortunately I had an uncle who got me up to speed in auto mechanics and restoration.

So, now I want a metal lathe, but I know nothing about them, nor how to really use one. I'd want an old one, made in the USA. That presents other problems. Particularly, buying one that's still worthy of time, effort, money, and some level of restoration. Knowing what to watch out for as far as damage, what parts can be replaced easily (or not), etc. For most old Delta woodworking machines, I feel comfortable knowing what I'm looking at, and what might be involved and needed for restoration/rehab. That experience has come over time from using such machines practically my entire life. As far as an old metal lathe goes, I know practically nothing.......but I still want one!!

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Hi Thomas and Chris!
-got home from my "tour de USA" (total mileage = 16,000!) a month + ago and finally caught up with your thread.
-congrats Chris on another award for the Mark
-nice to see the Chevy II clutch/****** problem solved at last Thomas
-I may have to come out for another visit when you get your house complete; that portico looks like a nice fit for a guest car
-remember; you're always welcome in Baltimore!
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Jim, Those old lathes look like Southbends 9A's I believe.
if you log onto Practical Machinist there is a whole subsection devoted to them.
You can occasionally find one for sale.
I've got a 9C I'm just starting to restore.
Phil

Hey Phil,

Thanks for the reference. I checked out that site last night. Very nice old machines there. All that did was make me want a metal lathe even more! The only drawback I see is buying a machine that I have nearly ZERO experience using.....

So, now I want a metal lathe, but I know nothing about them, nor how to really use one. I'd want an old one, made in the USA. That presents other problems. Particularly, buying one that's still worthy of time, effort, money, and some level of restoration. Knowing what to watch out for as far as damage, what parts can be replaced easily (or not), etc. For most old Delta woodworking machines, I feel comfortable knowing what I'm looking at, and what might be involved and needed for restoration/rehab. That experience has come over time from using such machines practically my entire life. As far as an old metal lathe goes, I know practically nothing.......but I still want one!!

Jim C.

Phil you are spot on with your identification. Both lathes are indeed...





...South Bend model A's, 9" (22.86 cm) swing with 3.5' (1 m) long beds. Here's some additional information on South Bend Lathes:
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9" Workshop Lathes

9" X 3' Model A Horizontal Drive

As early as 1914, South Bend Lathe™ manufactured standard industry 9 inch lathes. In the early 20's, smaller lathes for students and apprentices were introduced, including a 9" Junior lathe, Catalog No. 22. The hole through the spindle, horsepower, and other overall dimensions where the same as the Workshop model, and prices, in 1931, were around $300.

In 1935, the first Workshop lathe was presented in catalogs, along with the standard 9" Series O lathe, and the 9" Junior lathe. It came equipped with a countershaft drive, standard change gears, and a manual apron. Eventually, the Junior lathe line was dropped. And by 1939, the first Workshop lathe became Model C, and South Bend Lathe (TM) added a Model A and Model B Workshop lathes with the following units:

Model A lathes have full quick change gear mechanism for threads and feeds; also automatic apron with friction clutch for operating power cross feeds, and power longitudinal feeds.

Model B lathes have independent change gear equipment for threads and feeds, also automatic apron with friction clutch for operating power cross feeds,
and power longitudinal feeds.

Model C lathes, which were manufactured for about four years before the introduction of the Model A and Model B, have independent change gear equipment, lead screw and half-nut power longitudinal feeds and hand cross feed.

The catalog number is a portion of the number located on the index plate on the gear box of the lathe. The code designation is included in the serial number, which is stamped between the flat- and v-ways on the tailstock end of the bed.


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This South Bend was just brought into the shop but it's been in my family since it was new.











..It was purchased by my Dad, brand new in 1948. As you can see it's been stripped down to lighten it up while Cameron and I moved it and now I'm cleaning it up prior to installing it out at the old shop.

Dad sold it to my brother in the early 1970's.



You can see it's been lightly used all these years with the manufacture scraping marks still very clear on the bed ways. After Dad sent it to my brother he replaced it soon thereafter with...



...this same model South Bend. While he didn't buy this one new, it was still extremely well cared for by it's previous owner and then by Dad and eventually by me. My brother has no need anymore for the 1948 lathe so it's come to me. I'm a bit sentimental about such things so you can well imagine why I don't want it to leave the family. BTW, the above lathe is seen here with an extra tail stock on the bed. That's where I'm storing the tail stock for the 1948 lathe while I clean it up.

Any long time readers here might remember that Mr Johnson had an almost identical South Bend lathe that was still in the shop when I purchased the property...


...remember?? :sad:

Jim you asked earlier if I used the lathe much. It's use varies with what's going on out in the shop. I did use it quite a bit when restoring the old Walker floor jack for example...



... remaking old worn out parts...



...and repairing damaged parts...



...or cleaning up parts. It's handy to have around and if you have space for it I think you'll find it invaluable.

Now about you not having any experience operating them...





...there is this publication, published by the South Bend Lathe Works consider by many to the "bible" on care and operation of lathes, particularly South Bend lathes. It's been reprinted numerous times so finding a copy is not difficult. As a bonus posted on YouTube:


"How to Run A Lathe"


"Action, Use, and Care of Single Point Cutting Tools, No. 1"

...you will many original instruction movies produced by South Bend which illustrate many, many different operating technics and procedures.

There are also more modern YouTube videos:


...and Tubalcain has dozens of terrific instructional videos. Here are a couple:



All these videos combined with the manual and you can teach yourself a great deal.

One last item is once I get the 1948 lathe cleaned and set up I'll be selling the second lathe as I don't have a need for two of them. Here's your chance Jim, for that dream to come true! ;)

Thomas
 
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Hi Thomas and Chris!
-got home from my "tour de USA" (total mileage = 16,000!) a month + ago and finally caught up with your thread.
-congrats Chris on another award for the Mark
-nice to see the Chevy II clutch/****** problem solved at last Thomas
-I may have to come out for another visit when you get your house complete; that portico looks like a nice fit for a guest car
-remember; you're always welcome in Baltimore!
Rick

Hi there Rick and thanks for checking in so everyone here knows you're home safe and sound. A 16,000 miles road trip is a bit more than you originally thought so it must have all worked out well. The serendipity of it all is striking isn't it? I met you through this thread and your road trip. Then we happened to meet up at Road America where you got to meet Roland, Norman, son Danny and Lou and I got to meet Peter Egan. Later you hooked up again with Roland, Norm etc out at Laguna Seca and the Monterey Historics for an insiders point of view during that event. The world revolves in strange and wondrous ways don't you think?

Chris and I will be sure to stop by when we're out your way on the east coast. The new house portico needs to have your car under it, exhaust echoing off the walls. Maybe then I'll get a chance to take it for a quick spin. :dunno: It's all part of the journey of life! :thumbup:

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My father also had a 9" South Bend lathe. He gave it to a machinist at the local paper mill -- the machinist had done some favors for him, including helping us put my '56 Ford engine back together. This was before I had set up shop, but I wish I had asked my dad for the lathe before he gave it away. He liked to tell of the dangers of smoking a pipe while operating the lathe; he often jammed the pipe into his cheek or jaw or roof of his mouth leaning over the work!?! Good reason to quit, I guess; or give the lathe away. . . .
 

Jim C.

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Phil you are spot on with your identification. Both lathes are indeed...





...South Bend model A's, 9" (22.86 cm) swing with 3.5' (3 m) long beds. Here's some additional information on South Bend Lathes:
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9" Workshop Lathes

9" X 3' Model A Horizontal Drive

As early as 1914, South Bend Lathe™ manufactured standard industry 9 inch lathes. In the early 20's, smaller lathes for students and apprentices were introduced, including a 9" Junior lathe, Catalog No. 22. The hole through the spindle, horsepower, and other overall dimensions where the same as the Workshop model, and prices, in 1931, were around $300.

In 1935, the first Workshop lathe was presented in catalogs, along with the standard 9" Series O lathe, and the 9" Junior lathe. It came equipped with a countershaft drive, standard change gears, and a manual apron. Eventually, the Junior lathe line was dropped. And by 1939, the first Workshop lathe became Model C, and South Bend Lathe (TM) added a Model A and Model B Workshop lathes with the following units:

Model A lathes have full quick change gear mechanism for threads and feeds; also automatic apron with friction clutch for operating power cross feeds, and power longitudinal feeds.

Model B lathes have independent change gear equipment for threads and feeds, also automatic apron with friction clutch for operating power cross feeds,
and power longitudinal feeds.

Model C lathes, which were manufactured for about four years before the introduction of the Model A and Model B, have independent change gear equipment, lead screw and half-nut power longitudinal feeds and hand cross feed.

The catalog number is a portion of the number located on the index plate on the gear box of the lathe. The code designation is included in the serial number, which is stamped between the flat- and v-ways on the tailstock end of the bed.


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This South Bend was just brought into the shop but it's been in my family since it was new.











..It was purchased by my Dad, brand new in 1948. As you can see it's been stripped down to lighten it up while Cameron and I moved it and now I'm cleaning it up prior to installing it out at the old shop.

Dad sold it to my brother in the early 1970's.



You can see it's been lightly used all these years with the manufacture scraping marks still very clear on the bed ways. After Dad sent it to my brother he replaced it soon thereafter with...



...this same model South Bend. While he didn't buy this one new, it was still extremely well cared for by it's previous owner and then by Dad and eventually by me. My brother has no need anymore for the 1948 lathe so it's come to me. I'm a bit sentimental about such things so you can well imagine why I don't want it to leave the family. BTW, the above lathe is seen here with an extra tail stock on the bed. That's where I'm storing the tail stock for the 1948 lathe while I clean it up.

Any long time readers here might remember that Mr Johnson had an almost identical South Bend lathe that was still in the shop when I purchased the property...


...remember?? :sad:

Jim you asked earlier if I used the lathe much. It's use varies with what's going on out in the shop. I did use it quite a bit when restoring the old Walker floor jack for example...



... remaking old worn out parts...



...and repairing damaged parts...



...or cleaning up parts. It's handy to have around and if you have space for it I think you'll find it invaluable.

Now about you not having any experience operating them...





...there is this publication, published by the South Bend Lathe Works consider by many to the "bible" on care and operation of lathes, particularly South Bend lathes. It's been reprinted numerous times so finding a copy is not difficult. As a bonus posted on YouTube:


"How to Run A Lathe"


"Action, Use, and Care of Single Point Cutting Tools, No. 1"

...you will many original instruction movies produced by South Bend which illustrate many, many different operating technics and procedures.

There are also more modern YouTube videos:


...and Tubalcain has dozens of terrific instructional videos. Here are a couple:



All these videos combined with the manual and you can teach yourself a great deal.

One last item is once I get the 1948 lathe cleaned and set up I'll be selling the second lathe as I don't have a need for two of them. Here's your chance Jim, for that dream to come true! ;)

Thomas

Hi Thomas! Thanks for the great metal lathe write up. I DO want one. I'll interpret your comments as giving me the first right of refusal. When you're ready to part with it, please contact me. I'm certainly, and seriously, interested!! Maybe we can work out a deal. I'm also relatively close to you, so I could come to pick it up.
Thanks.

Jim C.
 

9C1

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Illinois, USA
Phil you are spot on with your identification. Both lathes are indeed...



...South Bend model A's, 9" (22.86 cm) swing with 3.5' (3 m) long beds. Here's some additional information on South Bend Lathes:
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Thomas

Thomas,
I won't quote all of your wonderful post about those magnificent machines, but those of us of the **** persuasion are curious about the math behind this conversion. Or is it a typo?
Terry
 
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