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Thomas -

Love the work you have done on Gus, and really like the way you have updated and improved function a bit without being too obvious about it. Please continue to post pics and details!

Scott

Thanks Scott, overall I'm pretty happy with how Gus is coming along. I've already done several more updates, I just need to post about them. Stand by!


With all the service looks like Gus is ready for many more years of life.

That was the whole idea, to extend Gus's useful life. Chris already knows if I'm not around, Gus should stay with the shop property. He's one of those touch stones of the shop like the Terraplane and the Rotary Lift. It's all of those things and more that make the shop so special.

This thread was the deciding factor to sign up for this forum. Figured I could learn a thing or two.

I was told reading this thread is the equivalent of a college education.....just a whole lot more fun! Welcome to The Garage Journal Rj555 and our family here. It's a pretty special group of friends. :thumbup:

Wow. I have a lot of reading to do. I skipped around a little. Nice work. I still can't believe at one point there was 48 tons of metal **** you didn't keep in there! So much junk! What a gem now. :rocker:

Thanks HDTriHawk and welcome. It was a big job in the beginning but you're right, it is a gem now. It is just delightful to work out there. I've still got about 1 garage space full of material (it's mostly in part of the two car garage right now). That's what is left over from the shop and the tool shed and the lean-to clean out. Still trying to find a home for it. Have fun reading about our misadventures. ;)

Just wondering if you're still running points or have you converted to a petronix unit yet Thomas?

Charlie, Gus starts and runs so exceptionally well I haven't done anything to either the carburetor or distributor. Still running points and I suspect I will continue for the foreseeable future. If it's not broken, why mess with it? I'll take a look under the distributor cap one of these days and actually do a proper tune up as well......one of these days. :D

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Thomas, sorry to be hyper-critical, but the great work you've done on Gus is let down a little by those blue and yellow insulated crimps. They just look too modern to me. How about covering them with black heatshrink?

Pete

I know, right Pete. Couldn't agree with you more. That's why I made the comment I was doing service work, just to make Gus more serviceable and not embarking on a restoration. I felt the same about using split loom on the wiring. I'm not terribly fond of it but it functions well, it's inexpensive and it's expedient. The plan all along was to paint those nasty looking, bright crimps black this winter to lessen their visibility.

While Lou was still here he tried to keep me on task whenever I started to veer off the purely serviceable work and start down the restoration path.



Something along the lines of why carve a pumpkin with a scalpel when a Sawzall gets the same result much quicker. Good man Lou. :thumbup:

Thanks Pete, we're thinking along the same lines. Cleaning up those little details is winter, nasty weather, inside work. I'll whip Gus into better appearance, no worries.

As for the TR4, it's still there and I've got a post about it in the works. ;)

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Nice work on the wiring upgrade on Gus! That old bus bar definitely looked like a time bomb. Love the pics of the Model A on the lift, too.
 

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beautiful shop! I am from Champaign too. I really like the clean Eclipse GSX sitting in the driveway. Is it yours?
 
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beautiful shop! I am from Champaign too. I really like the clean Eclipse GSX sitting in the driveway. Is it yours?

He just had the eclipse on ebay.


Thanks DSM_PWR. You're only a few miles and just minutes away. Boosted1 is correct, the Eclipse was mine but no more.



A couple of weeks ago it was loaded up...



....and headed to a new home.



It was 16 years old and had over 214,000 miles when it left here and it was just a great car for me. I had every receipt for the car from day 1. It was solid with no squeaks or rattles or any issues for that matter. My needs have changed and I needed a vehicle with different capabilities.



And there it goes, literally driving off into the sunset. :sad: But the new owner tells me he's more than happy with the car and he promises to give it the same loving care I did. That was good news to me. I was afraid someone would buy it, then heavily modify it and just generally abuse it which seems to be the fate of some many of them.

BTW, neither of those 2 cars pictured in the shop driveway are mine; just friends stopping by to see the Eclipse leave one more time.

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BTW, neither of those 2 cars pictured in the shop driveway are mine; just friends stopping by to see the Eclipse leave one more time.

Thomas

Does that mean that you sent it away some other time...and it came back? Sounds a little reminicent of "Christine", that car always came back.:lol_hitti
 
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Does that mean that you sent it away some other time...and it came back? Sounds a little reminicent of "Christine", that car always came back.:lol_hitti

Well no, I didn't send it away some other time though I can see how you might think that. My bad! :eek: How about if I rephrase it and say "they came to see it one last time before it left?" :dunno: You know I wasn't an English major after all, just a poor, poor airline pilot!

I'm not sure if my Christine has seen the movie Christine but I'm happy my Christine always comes back! :bounce:

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Thomas,
My wife and I just purchased a three acre lot about 10 miles NE of the center of the universe. We plan to build our retirement home there. The first thing that we need is a Morton building. I grew up in the Peoria area and we used Morton for pole buildings like most people use Kleenex for a facial tissues. The choice of pole building brand was easy.
I just read all the posts on your Morton building. Was you sale person from the Mattoon? While our building will not be as large as yours, I would like to have many of the features you have and I think working with the same office might simplify things.
I assume I will have tons of question as we move through this process.
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Thomas,
My wife and I just purchased a three acre lot about 10 miles NE of the center of the universe. We plan to build our retirement home there. The first thing that we need is a Morton building. I grew up in the Peoria area and we used Morton for pole buildings like most people use Kleenex for a facial tissues. The choice of pole building brand was easy.
I just read all the posts on your Morton building. Was you sale person from the Mattoon? While our building will not be as large as yours, I would like to have many of the features you have and I think working with the same office might simplify things.
I assume I will have tons of question as we move through this process.
Rich

Hi there Rich and welcome literally to the neighborhood. Sounds like you're in the St Joe area. Yup, R. Baker from Mattoon was who I worked with and is one of Morton's best. Good choice! Send me your contact information via a PM and we'll get together. Looking forward to it.

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Gus Wire Details

A couple of items I failed to point out on the wiring done on Gus that might not have been apparent.



Next when using split loom, use zip ties at the end of the loom as seen by the top 2 red arrows to close the loom and when a wire comes out of the side of the loom, use zip ties to secure the loom closed just below where the wire branches out as seen by the bottom two yellow arrows. You'll have a neater appearing installation doing that I think.



Where you install a ground post, make sure to remove paint under and around it to ensure a good ground. Here you can see the paint was scraped away from a ground post. The green ground wire to the left has not been installed yet in the picture. Later, when the wiring was all done, that paint was touched up with an artist brush (the white plastic clamp was painted back at that time as well), but under the nut it is contacting bare metal for an excellent ground.

More to come.

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Not sure if you mentioned it Thomas, and I can't determine it fully from the pictures, but just as a heads up, I would suggest using a PROPER tool for crimping the cable shoes.

NOT ONE OF THESE:
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But rather something like this one with good jaws and a ratcheting lock (ensuring proper pressure/crimping):
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I doesn't have to be an expensive piece of kit, a cheaper one will do fine for hobby work. But ensuring you get a proper crimp will ensure that you avoid the risk of overheating in high power connection points, or wires popping out of the cable shoe and connecting with ground or other circuitry.
 

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Re: Gus Wire Details

Where you install a ground post, make sure to remove paint under and around it to ensure a good ground. Here you can see the paint was scraped away from a ground post. The green ground wire to the left has not been installed yet in the picture. Later, when the wiring was all done, that paint was touched up with an artist brush (the white plastic clamp was painted back at that time as well), but under the nut it is contacting bare metal for an excellent ground.

More to come.

Thomas
Thomas, a blob of petroleum jelly does a great job of preventing rust coming back on the bare metal. On the TR4A I used a substance that's very popular over here, called Waxoyl. I don't know if there's a US equivalent, but it's a wax suspended in white spirit, AKA mineral spirits. It dries out to some extent but never goes hard, so it never flakes off.

Any progress on your house yet?
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Same company but it's the US distributor. There's even a wiki page about the company and has links to the US, English, and European distributors.
 
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Not sure if you mentioned it Thomas, and I can't determine it fully from the pictures, but just as a heads up, I would suggest using a PROPER tool for crimping the cable shoes.

NOT ONE OF THESE:
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But rather something like this one with good jaws and a ratcheting lock (ensuring proper pressure/crimping):
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I doesn't have to be an expensive piece of kit, a cheaper one will do fine for hobby work. But ensuring you get a proper crimp will ensure that you avoid the risk of overheating in high power connection points, or wires popping out of the cable shoe and connecting with ground or other circuitry.

Thanks babaluba for bringing that up. Yes, a heavy duty crimper was used for just the reasons you mentioned. You are quite correct, it doesn't need to be an expensive piece of equipment but it adds immeasurably to the quality of the work. I'll get a picture of what was used........ if I remember. :eek:

I'm holding my breath...

I know it'll be great when you post it.

Pete

Pete, please don't hold your breath!! :eek: The story on how the TR4 came to live with me is somewhat unusual (it was given to me by a perfect stranger who had observed my cleanup of the shop and grounds over the years. More on that later.). Due to some other circumstances that I may or may not get into, that's why it lingers in the background presently. That whole story is still being resolved so please be patient. :dunno:

Now something that can discussed is the progress of the new home......or the lack there-of. We are tentatively booked to begin excavation and start construction at the first of May next year, 2016. That's just a little over 6 months from now. I felt it was too late in the year to start actual construction this year. I wanted the work to occur with the weather getting better, not worse. We can get some really nasty winter weather so I was willing to wait it out.

Meantime I have been doing site work. The following pictures are with my back to the barn, looking out where the house will be built moving left to right.







The large Honey Locust tree, whose stump can clearly be seen in the middle foreground, was cut down when it became very apparent it was dying from whatever affliction is killing all our Honey Locust trees locally. :sad:



It did provide quite a bit of firewood...



...which was either hand split or this power splitter which was used for the bulk of it. All that firewood has now been cleared away and using marking flags, the house has been laid out. Just after the lay out, it started raining for several days and I haven't been able to photograph the site since. Tomorrow is promising to be sunny and dry so I should be able to get that done.

So with rainy weather outside that means work in the shop. For variety I spent the better part of the day detailing the Corvette coupe and reinstalling some of the ignition shielding that was removed to do some service work.





It's easy enough to install it over the distributor, upper plug wire harnesses and the lower shielding on the drivers side but...



...on Corvettes with factory A/C, installing the lower shielding on the passenger side is impossible from above.



There is no room as you can see so it has to be done from below. There's very little room there either and it has to be done by feel with only one hand since that's all the space there is. Not exactly an engineering triumphant. Several hours later it was done but I'm glad I'm retired with lots of time.

More is coming this way.

Thomas
 

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As a retired GM tech I know what you are saying about the shielding. I remember one C3 that had leaking valve cover gaskets that swelled up the plug wires. I replaced gaskets & then went to work on the wires. Some of them went behind the motor mounts.
 
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Electrical Crimpers

These are the dedicated crimpers that were used on the electrical work on Gus.



Compared with regular pliers...





... you can see how much more leverage can be applied with those long handles.

Thanks babaluba for bringing that point that up.

Beltsville Shell update:

63Nova tells me he's just about finished with it and is loving it. Bringing back many memories he tells me. Next it goes to Roscoe in Florida and then I believe Andrew aka Craptain also in Florida. There are one or two more requests here in the States and then it's off to Australia, just in time for summer fun down there. :) We have close to 40 readers signed off in it so far. It's crossed the Pacific and the Atlantic Oceans twice, toured all over the USA and Canada, New Zealand, Europe, Scandinavia and the UK and has roundly been given rave reviews. I'll update the... ahem... items that have begun to accompany it :D



...in a later post. Thanks everyone.

Thomas
 

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Beltsville Shell update:

63Nova tells me he's just about finished with it and is loving it. Bringing back many memories he tells me. Next it goes to Roscoe in Florida and then I believe Andrew aka Craptain also in Florida. There are one or two more requests here in the States and then it's off to Australia, just in time for summer fun down there. :) We have close to 40 readers signed off in it so far. It's crossed the Pacific and the Atlantic Oceans twice, toured all over the USA and Canada, New Zealand, Europe, Scandinavia and the UK and has roundly been given rave reviews. I'll update the... ahem... items that have begun to accompany it :D



...in a later post. Thanks everyone.

Thomas

Thomas,
If BS gets back to the Center of the Universe, message me. I would be oh so pleased to sign it if you think it appropriate. I have read my own copy (signed by the author) and I know just the page for my signature. Only if you think it is appropriate, however.

PS: I hope to see you this weekend.

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Re: Electrical Crimpers

Thomas,
If BS gets back to the Center of the Universe, message me. I would be oh so pleased to sign it if you think it appropriate. I have read my own copy (signed by the author) and I know just the page for my signature. Only if you think it is appropriate, however.

PS: I hope to see you this weekend.

Terry

Hi there Terry. From one Corvette enthusiast to another, a resounding yes of course I think it appropriate for you to sign BS 1.0. More than appropriate I'd say and we both know why. I know how modest you are and you're not seeking any more notoriety so we'll leave it at that shall we?

BS 1.0 will be back this way for sure. I'm going to personally be the one to pack and ship it on it's way to Lyndon in Sydney, Australia to make sure it gets a proper send off. I'll alert you when it looks like it's headed back this way and we'll work out getting together, no worries. :thumbup:

Hope to see you this weekend as well. Weather looks mighty lousy Fri night and all day Sat.

Thomas
 

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Re: The BS

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Beltsville Shell update:

63Nova tells me he's just about finished with it and is loving it. Bringing back many memories he tells me. Next it goes to Roscoe in Florida and then I believe Andrew aka Craptain also in Florida. There are one or two more requests here in the States and then it's off to Australia, just in time for summer fun down there. :) We have close to 40 readers signed off in it so far. It's crossed the Pacific and the Atlantic Oceans twice, toured all over the USA and Canada, New Zealand, Europe, Scandinavia and the UK and has roundly been given rave reviews. I'll update the... ahem... items that have begun to accompany it :D



...in a later post. Thanks everyone.

Thomas

Yippeeeeee! Means it's not far off coming Down Under.

In Faraway Sydney on a 42 degree (C) (107.6 F) late spring day :shocking:
 

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Beltsville Shell update:

I'll update the... ahem... items that have begun to accompany it :D



...in a later post. Thanks everyone.

Thomas

Aha, the 13mm gedore wrench is still there. It's one of the most used sizes in Europe.:thumbup:

I love the special Beltsville Shell pouch!

Thomas, thanks again for sending the Beltsville Shell to Europe.:bowdown:

Cheers,
Jasper
 

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What's the rules when you send the Beltsville shell over the world? Registered mail compulsory? To my experience ordinary letters tend to disappear, while registered ones don't.
 
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Beltsville Shell Rules Of Engagement

What's the rules when you send the Beltsville shell over the world? Registered mail compulsory? To my experience ordinary letters tend to disappear, while registered ones don't.

Those are excellent questions magnusk750. First of all, this all got started when I thought my friends here, being car guys in general, would enjoy reading Beltsville Shell You Are What You Drive as much I did. It also gave a realistic glimpse into what it was like growing up as a teenager in the United Sates in the late 1950's to 1960's in our car culture at that time.

Turns out Mike Oberst read it and enjoyed it as much as I had and made a proposal. Why not, he suggested, send his personal copy around to those friends here who hadn't read it yet, but would like to read it. When they finished reading it, after signing the inside or back side covers...



...they in turn would send that same copy on to the next reader and so on. That was over 3 years ago and that same copy of Beltsville Shell aka BS 1.0, is still being passed around and enjoyed and has since literally traveled all over the world. About 1 1/2 years ago it went missing in the mail here in the USA and was thought to be lost but, as luck would have it, after several months it turned up in New Zealand of all places. In case it ever was lost I had written contact information for myself in the book and eventually it came home, back the Center Of The Universe. :)

Since that time I have suggested it be mailed in a manner which is a little more secure...



...than just dropping it in with regular mail. I leave it up to each person's discretion as to how they choose to pack and mail it. Registered mail is an excellent way to better insure it not getting lost in the shuffle and isn't really that much additional expense.

So that's where we are with it today. It's showing some signs of travel and use but overall it is still in good condition. Author Cary Thomas...



...is intrigued with the concept that one copy of his book is circulating around the world, being enjoyed by his fans everywhere and those of us here at The Restored 1930's Auto Shop. He is highly supportive of what we're doing. I email him occasionally to update him as to BS 1.0's current status.

babaluba in Norway sent me this note after he had read it," Sincerely sorry for the delay, I have little excuse. But, to repent for my sins...



... I put together a small travel pouch for it. Sadly not at the level Thomas would have made it, I am sure, but the book is starting to look worn, so I thought it best if it could have some protection on its way around the world.

And also, the material I used is genuine Think City A306 (Norwegian electric car) seat upholstery fabric. I took a few rolls with me when they closed up after bankrupcy back in 2011. I thought it fitting, as a small piece of Norwegian automotive history to follow and protect this great book.
(Btw, the Think City was destined for production in Elkhart, Indiana as part of the US economy "revival" programs a few years back, and they actually even started small scale assembly before the company sadly went flat. So there you go, even a bit of modern american automotive history as well...


Prior to that...



... Jasper, aka, Laro13 from the Netherlands had sent a 13 mm wrench to accompany it telling us, "the 13mm gedore wrench is still there. It's one of the most used sizes in Europe." and bazzateer sent along a book marker which he noted is "The patch off my old uniform jacket is still there then, all the way from Scotland Yard!" There is also another book marker with it but I don't have a picture of it. Jasper the wrench will share a spot with the book once it comes back to the shop for good, but I didn't want to risk it getting lost so it's not being circulated with the book. Instead at present it's being displayed in the shop (and being used every so often :thumbup:).

So that's how we have a book written about a group of cars guys in Beltsville Maryland that now is encased in genuine Norwegian electric car material along with a metric wrench from the Netherlands and a Metropolitan Police patch from Scotland Yard and accumulating more air miles than most businessmen.

Here's the current list and reading order for BS 1.0:

- 63Nova - Illinois
- Roscoe - Florida
- Craptain - Florida
- DRRummel - Maryland
- bluestripe67 - Washington, DC

Then to Australia

- Lyndon - Sydney, Australia
- 1/2 Cup - Shepparton. Victoria. Australia
- VMX42 - location in Australia unknown at this time
- Nursepeter1973 - Western Australia

Then to New Zealand

- williamhamilton - Wairarapa, New Zealand

Once it returns from its 2nd New Zealand tour and all our Southern Hemisphere friends, BS 1.0 will begin on its 3rd USA/Canadian tour starting with...

- tkbowman - Burien, Washington
- 56vette461 - Northern California
- jbmatth - Northern Oklahoma

If I've overlooked someone please send me PM to get on the list. bluestripe67 - Dennis when you finish BS I'd like you to mail back to me, I'll send you my address. I want to be the one to pack and ship it to Lyndon in Australia. Everyone should contact the person in front and behind you on the list, send them a PM with mailing information just as we did in Europe and the UK. That all worked exceptionally well. Thanks everyone.

Next up, more shop projects!

Thomas
 
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I was supposed to be on the US list, but we've been out of the country for 2 months and may have missed any announcements.

Tim Bowman
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Tim in Burien, WA
 
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Great news on the house Thomas. How long do you expect the build to take?

Pete

At this time Pete our best guess is 8-9 months. Weather will be a variable but starting in early May should preclude any extended delays due to weather. If it rains like it did last spring though, that will definitely slow things down. Once the basement is dug and the walls and floor poured the building should be fairly immune to weather. They use awfully large equipment these days to speed the process up. The last house I built was in 1973 and we hand cut every rafter in the structure- no trusses were used anywhere. We didn't have nail guns either, all hand nailed nor did we have any man lifts. That was a smaller house, about 1/2 the size, with no basement. There were only 3 of us on the crew and it took us 7 months.



Here's a look at part of the site now with all the firewood cleared away. Since we'll have a fairly large excavator in there when the basement is being dug, I'll have the large Honey Locust stump dug up. That's why I left a little high stump for them to leverage it out.

Right now in my mind everything is progressing smoothly. Unknown and unforeseen are all those countless little details and problems that make a complicated project like this somewhat exciting and aggravating both at the same time. Check back and see if I have any hair remaining about this time next year. :p

Thomas
 

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Re: Beltsville Shell Rules Of Engagement

Jasper the wrench will share a spot with the book once it comes back to the shop for good, but I didn't want to risk it getting lost so it's not being circulated with the book. Instead at present it's being displayed in the shop (and being used every so often :thumbup:).


Thomas

I'm glad you received my gift. A wrench is for wrenching so I'm pleased you are useing it.:thumbup:

cheers, Jasper
 
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