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I have installed thousands of these in my lifetime working in the Aircraft Industry.
You can take a “Q” tip, dip it in acetone and clean out the oil of the freshly tapped hole. Take a fresh “Q” tip and dip it in primer then primer the threaded hole. Install the heli-coil before the primer dries, let primer dry before you remove the tang. Always verify you have the tang removed. Primer will act as a loc-tite for the coil but not the fastener.
 
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Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays To All

As Christmas is almost upon us...



...here in our little corner of the world...



...Chris and I want to send out to all our many friends around the world...



...a most heartfelt wish of joy and peace.



May you be as happy and blessed as we are.

Chris and Thomas
 

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Hi Thomas and Chris

The sun is well up here on Christmas Day here in Australia. The kids have the presents, the Cicardas are singing and will soon enjoy the festive lunch.

Always a learning journey on your site. You teach me all those things my Father never did.

Merry Christmas

Gatsby
 
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Hi Thomas and Chris

The sun is well up here on Christmas Day here in Australia. The kids have the presents, the Cicardas are singing and will soon enjoy the festive lunch.

Always a learning journey on your site. You teach me all those things my Father never did.

Merry Christmas

Gatsby

Hello there Gatsby. I was just talking to Chris about how we have so many friends around the world that meet up in the shop via this thread. Simply amazing and all very, very cool indeed. I love chatting with everyone and sharing the shop and all that I do out there.

The sun just set 3 hours ago here and we're settling in for the evening.

Thank you so much for the good wishes. Enjoy the time with your family.

Thomas
 
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More Lou Bingham

" HO HO HO and Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night "

Lou

As said by one of the all time coolest guys in racing, hands down- Lou Bingham! Thanks Lou and for those of you who note the 1929 Ford Roadster race car Lou uses as his Avatar, that's the last race car he built for running at Bonneville. He started building and racing this car in the early 1960's and raced it until up until the late 1960's I believe. Here's a more detailed look at the car from a Hot Rod Magazine photo shoot done in November, 1963. Lou, will you chime in here and post additional information and correct my mistakes on anything please.











Note no radiator opening, that creates too much aero drag. The drivers seat position has been moved to the center of the car and the engine has been moved backwards for better weight distribution.



He was running an Hilborn injected Old's engine in at the time.



Note the light weight water pump pulley.



The attention to detail and build quality on the car is fantastic. Lou did much of the car construction, including the engine as I recall. He is a superb craftsman.





The round tank at the far left is for fuel and the square tank is for engine coolant, he didn't run a radiator. A radiator opening presented too much drag. At the end of a run he'd flush the tank out and replace the old, hot coolant with new, cool fluid before each run.



He designed the car so all the body sheet metal was held in place with Dzus fasteners: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dzus_fastener



By doing that he could easily remove all the body panels for better access to car components while out on the salt flats. That was important because back then, if you set a record you had only 1 hour turnaround time to service the car and get it ready for a return run in the opposite direction to back the record up. Better access meant faster turnaround times. BTW, that's Lou seated in his car.



That's the drivers seat on the right and a B&M Hydro transmission in the center.



Reverse angle view of the cockpit. Notice all the holes drilled everywhere to lighten the car. The new thinking these days is to add weight to cars for better traction.



Here's a young and ruggedly handsome Lou Bingham, circa 1963! :rocker:



Over 50 years later, here's that same ruggedly handsome guy carving a mean pumpkin last fall. How can you not like a guy like that? :dunno:

I'll post additional information plus many more vintage pictures of this car in action on the salt flats. HO HO HO indeed!

Thomas
 

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I love looking at pictures of Lou's roadster. I always see cool new things and examples of his fine craftsmanship. Well done, sir! Such a beauty!

Lou may or may not have thought himself as A Brave Man at the time, but, boy-howdy, when I see two drum brakes and no laundry to haul down a 166mph pass on the salt, I get a case of the willies.

Don't even get me started about the proximity of the ****** to the seat....! Yikes!!

I know, I know, just the way it was done!

Does that car still exist?
 
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I have been following your thread from the beginning. You have done an outstanding job with the garage and projects. I look forward to your updates.
Merry Christmas to you both.
 
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Merry Christmas.
Even though the heli-coil isn't new to me, I enjoyed the write-up and well-illustrated post on the repair of the Vette top.
Thanks for all you share.
-J
 
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If I may add to the Helicoil post just a bit. Once you have broken off that drive tang I always remove the broken off piece. (I use Helicoils a lot on motorcycle engines) Anyway, if you don't remove the broken off tang it is possible for it to damage the threads on the nice bolt you just put in your newly repaired threaded hole. Don't ask me how I know this. :rolleyes:

I just use a small magnetized screw driver to pull it out.


Greetings!
I have installed thousands of these in my lifetime working in the Aircraft Industry.
You can take a “Q” tip, dip it in acetone and clean out the oil of the freshly tapped hole. Take a fresh “Q” tip and dip it in primer then primer the threaded hole. Install the heli-coil before the primer dries, let primer dry before you remove the tang. Always verify you have the tang removed. Primer will act as a loc-tite for the coil but not the fastener.

Thank you both for the helpful additional tips. I appreciate you sharing your work experience with us. It helps to make this thread that much better. :thumbup:

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I bet you miss that view just a little now that you are retired. I have been very lucky to see that view first hand a few times, most notably from the jump on a KC-135. It's amazing.
 
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I bet you miss that view just a little now that you are retired. I have been very lucky to see that view first hand a few times, most notably from the jump on a KC-135. It's amazing.

No question Mike I miss the cockpit view. It was never boring to me. Time moves on though and I knew it couldn't last forever. I had a long and satisfying career and am grateful that I got to do all the varied flying that I did. I'm in a new phase of my life now that is different from airline flying but it's equally satisfying to me. I don't despair on what once was, rather I anticipate on what's yet to be! So many projects and so little time. :bounce:

A warm welcome to our group. I'm glad you joined us :)
Enjoy your time with Blue, it may very well be the best time of your life.

Thomas
 

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Hi Thomas and Chris

The sun is well up here on Christmas Day here in Australia. The kids have the presents, the Cicardas are singing and will soon enjoy the festive lunch.

Always a learning journey on your site. You teach me all those things my Father never did.

Merry Christmas

Gatsby
I was awoken by some drunk ******* from Aus calling to wish me happy christmas at 4.50am this morning. He got a two word reply, the second word was *off*.
 
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More Lou Bingham, Part II

Here are some more pictures of Lou's '29 Roadster. The first 4 pictures are from the same 1963 Hot Rod Magazine photo shoot referenced in post # 9047.









The following are of the Roadster in action while competing for various land speed records.



This is Bonneville, (1964?) and that's Lou at the rear of the car in his bare feet, putting his boots on prior to a run. Note the scoop coming out near the top of the radiator shell. He has also replaced the rear steel wheel rims with magnesium rims.



Here's a better look at that scoop with the hood and cowling removed.



This is a good view of his parachute behind the roll bar. All the louvers in the rear body work are to help exit air, preventing it from packing up under the car and lifting it up, thus losing traction or getting the car airborne. That's our man Lou behind the car getting ready for another run. I've forgotten why he had to change his car number at that meet. Perhaps he'll post in about it.



Bonneville and you can see his '56 push truck behind the car. He used that truck to tow the Roadster when he trailered it to meets. At the various meets he competed in, he also used it as a push truck. On push starts he would tell the push driver to honk the truck horn when they doing about 60 mph. That's when Lou would let out the clutch in the Roadster and begin his speed run under his own power. Starting that way saved wear and tear on the clutch because of the tall rear end gearing. He didn't have to slip the clutch. Note the cover near the top of the radiator shell where the engine scoop would reside. I think he was able to run in different classes depending on whether the car was running with or without the scoop.



Doing some in-the-field repairs at Bonneville. I don't know what the issue was.



Using a tailgate for a temporary bench while the repairs are underway. Here you get a good look at the headers he made for the car.



Continuing with the repairs. Not sure what's being done in the picture from this angle.



This was take at the starting line, Bonneville Salt Flats in 1964. Lou's car is in the center, up front, right on the starting line with his blue '56 Ford push truck behind it. A place of honor and just a very cool photograph I think. :thumbup:



I'm pretty sure this was taken at one of the dry lakes, El Mirage perhaps?



I've forgotten where Lou said this was taken but it's a paved surface.



These are a few of the many brass plates that were on the trophies that were awarded to Lou for record runs over the years.



Above are some of the timing tags Lou received recording his results at various events. He would often install them on the dash panel of the car.



Here's one of about a dozen land speed record certificates Lou earned when he set a new record through the years.

Mike O asked earlier if the car was still existed. After Lou sold the car in the later 1960's it was spotted here at Bonneville in 1969, looking virtually like it had while Lou owned it.





As I recall the car does still exist but it hasn't competed in many, many years. I'm hoping Lou will fill in the gaps and or errors on anything from the above posts. When we've take various road trips to Bonneville together over the last few years I've gotten a fairly good oral history from Lou. Even so, I'm pretty sure I've omitted or forgotten some important details that he'll need to correct me on.



For anyone interested in land speed racing and Bonneville in particular, Lou is walking history, pure and simple. Oh, and did I mention he's just an all-around good guy too?! :D

Thomas
 
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I was awoken by some drunk ******* from Aus calling to wish me happy christmas at 4.50am this morning. He got a two word reply, the second word was *off*.

Hummmm, maybe I shouldn't be giving out your phone number to all our Australian friends after all Rick. At the time it seemed like such a good idea too. Glad to see your disposition is still the same. :bounce:

Cheerful Thomas
 
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Merry Christmas to everyone! We had beautiful weather (high 40s and sunny). Very lazy day starting with breakfast here at the house with our son when he got off work at 7am. We opened our small pile of presents, then watched a locally produced DVD documentary (my present to Tom) about the music scene in Champaign-Urbana IL (University of Illinois) from the mid-60s until the late 80s where/when so many bands and promoters got their start (REO Speedwagon, Champaign, Dan Fogelberg, Irving Azoff). After that, Tom took one of the Corvettes out for a spin. No snow in sight until maybe Tuesday. Lots of rain (flash flood warnings) until then.

Rick (ZRX61) - nice to know you're still out there fighting the good fight. Enjoy the full moon tonight.

It seems there has been an unusual spike in views to this thread over the past 2 days. It's fun to watch as over 2k views/day move our views even further over the 4mil mark.

Still finding things to do to pass the time.

Chris
 

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Good to see there was a parachute used on that roadster!

Thanks for the extra pictures! I know what I'm doing tomorrow morning! Staring at pictures!

If it does still exist in someone's garage or barn, it would really be a great candidate for a restoration. So many great pictures to help with the rebuild!

I'll bet Lou would be willing to pitch in to help, too. I hear he's a devil with a torch!
 
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I drop in occasionally to keep up with life in the center. This time was on page 448.
Post #8954, second to the last image.
You did a great job on rewiring Gus, now you need to complete it.
I didn't go back to the original introduction and repairs to Gus to double check, but. It looks like you kept the original 6 volt charging system. BUT have a battery cable sized for a 12 volt system.
Proper sized cables for 6 volt would be at least 1/0. [1 aught, not #1]
Available at a farm supply since a lot of equipment still use 6 volt.
That existing cable clamp may be good for an emergency repair but really needs to be properly bonded to the correct size cable. Lead is good enough but brass is better. Those can be found at a marine supply.
That along with clean tight connections will make a heck of a lot of difference starting the old boy.
As I stated in an earlier post, this thread will never die. Good things last. Excellence shows throughout everything you do
 
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I drop in occasionally to keep up with life in the center. This time was on page 448.
Post #8954, second to the last image.
You did a great job on rewiring Gus, now you need to complete it.
I didn't go back to the original introduction and repairs to Gus to double check, but. It looks like you kept the original 6 volt charging system. BUT have a battery cable sized for a 12 volt system.
Proper sized cables for 6 volt would be at least 1/0. [1 aught, not #1]
Available at a farm supply since a lot of equipment still use 6 volt.
That existing cable clamp may be good for an emergency repair but really needs to be properly bonded to the correct size cable. Lead is good enough but brass is better. Those can be found at a marine supply.
That along with clean tight connections will make a heck of a lot of difference starting the old boy.
As I stated in an earlier post, this thread will never die. Good things last. Excellence shows throughout everything you do

Hello to you, stewed baker. I'm glad to hear you drop by the shop from time to time, that's what it's for. All good observations and thanks for taking the time to help me out with Gus. I do need to finish the electrical work, this was just the first phase. I first wanted to at least make Gus safe to operate. All those bare wires were not healthy for him.

If you go back to when I started the latest series of service work repairs on Gus last July, page 438, post# 8757 and continuing forward, buried in one of those posts, I make mention that my goal was to do service repairs and not a factory original restoration and that Gus had previously been converted to a 12 volt system before he came to live here. As such, since there are many benefits to a 12 volt system, I decided to just leave it that way. Those battery cables are the ones that were installed on Gus when I got him and they work just fine for the way Gus operates now with a 12 volt system, otherwise you are quite correct. Your observation about the cable clamps is spot on as well, thanks. When I get back to doing service work those clamps will be corrected.

One of the more charming aspects of Gus is the ease and speed with which he starts. A manual choke, electric fuel pump, 12 volt starting system as well as his natural, sunny disposition all contribute to almost instant starts. :) I've done some additional, mainly cosmetic repairs that I'll post here. Watch for that. Thanks again for your helpful comments, I appreciate it.

Thomas
 

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Thomas,

Thanks for the tutorial on using helicoils. I have always shied away from them in the past and found other solutions not wanting to have a first time mess up. Your article has now given me the confidence to have a go. Of course over the years experience has made me less ham fisted so the opportunities to use them don't arise as often as when I was a teenager working on an aluminium engined Hillman Imp.

Keep up the good work both of you and have a happy new year.
 
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6 years, 454 pages and 9064 Posts Later, It's Still Going...........

It's that time of year when I'm reminded that 6 years ago on this date @ 1:36 AM, I posted the first, of what eventually were, several hundred if not a few thousand, pictures on this thread. Little did I know then (or Chris either!) that you guys were such gluttons for punishment. I don't even want to know how many sleepless nights have resulted from poor innocents accidentally stumbling into and then being absorbed into the Vortex by reading this thread.......and haven't we all had fun doing so?! :D Afterall, that's the whole point; life is short, have fun!

This year, 2015, in review, some of what's happened in the Center of the Universe.

It started with Beltsville Shell making a triumphal and safe tour of the European Continent with side trips to the UK and Scandinavia. Bravely crossing the Atlantic twice! It's poised for it's third Pacific crossing early next year.



The '66 Corvette coupe came to live with us after Santa kindly visited the COTU.



Throughout the year was filled with doing routine service - maintenance on the coupe since it was largely inactive in it's previous 23 years. That ranged from...





...installing new calipers to the unusual...



...such as when this broken exhaust valve spring was repaired. I've yet to post about that and some other service work done. Please stand by.:eek:

JB posted in showing his terrific work, restoring the old Keller power hacksaw and progress on Mr Johnson's old cabinetmakers bench. Both were exceptionally well done. :thumbup:

Among shop project done this year was...



...taking this old Austin Healey rim...



...and re-purposing it as an air line hose reel.



Some ramp spacers were also fabricated to make the Rotary Lift a little more Corvette friendly.

The year was largely filled with car service-maintenance...



...with Gus getting the lions share of work.



He had broken parts repaired...



...worn parts were renewed...







...a completely new brake system...



...a tidier, safer fuel system...





...cooling and electrical systems improved as were some interior appointments. He's ready for phase II this coming year.





We got to do some drag racing...



...and vintage road racing as well, but no Bonneville which was cancelled, the course being too wet. :(



After many years of ownership, the VR-4 and...



...and Eclipse GSX left the building...... permanently.

But by far the biggest news and project for the year was...



...the sale of our old family home and...





...the subsequent dismantling and moving of the wood shop. Most of it now resides in the barn...











...sharing space and waiting for a new home, but then so are we. Check back.

Thanks everyone for all your continued interest and support in our efforts here at the Restored 1930's Auto Shop, located in The Center of the Universe.

Thomas
 

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Thomas, I hope you & your family had a great Christmas! Looking forward to the continued adventures in The Center of the Universe. :)
 

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Re: 6 years, 454 pages and 9064 Posts Later, It's Still Going...........

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Thanks everyone for all your continued interest and support in our efforts here at the Restored 1930's Auto Shop, located in The Center of the Universe.

Thomas

It is us who should be thanking you for the lessons and entertainment.

Thank You Thomas and Chris.
 
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I think I noticed a boo boo on the brakes. The short shoe goes on the front.
HAPPY NEW YEAR

Hi Smiliesafari and welcome to the wondrous world of Lockheed style brakes, used by Willy's Overland. You are not alone with that thought. Take a quick look back on page 441, post # 8802 when work on the brakes on Gus was posted. You'll find this very subject discussed there.

The more pertinent part of that post is as follows.... "You might also want to know this about Lockheed style brakes. Hydraulic pressure expands the wheel cylinder cups, which push the shoes against the drum. The shoes are NOT self-energizing. The Lockheed system is a front/rear shoe design with the bottom pivot for each shoe anchored to the backing plate. This design requires more pedal pressure to stop than self-energizing brakes since they rely solely on hydraulic pressure. The front shoes (primary) do most of the stopping and normally use a longer friction band. The rear shoes (secondary) normally use a shorter friction band. That might help some of you who think the shoes were installed backward as they would be if these were a Bendix style. Read the shop manual!"

It's a frequent error since Lockheed style brakes have been pretty rare the last several decades. In fact most younger folks under the age of, say 50, have never heard of or seen a Lockheed style system. Now you're one of the lucky few who have. No worries, it's all good. It always pays to read the shop manual.

Thanks for keeping me on my toes, I do appreciate it. A very Happy New Year to you as well my friend. :thumbup:

Thomas
 

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X-2 Thomas, also there is a generation that drum brakes are a mystery.
Happy New Year to all caught up in the vortex at the center of the universe.---Lou---
 

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Happy New Year Thomas and Chris. Love the pictures, especially all of the updates on Gus. I look forward to seeing what's next with him.

Congrats on all of the progress and all the best to you both in 2016!

Cheers!


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I really enjoy seeing you do your year end review and it makes me very happy to have even been mentioned in it. I hope to not disappoint with the work that will eventually occur on the Cabinet Makers Bench (C.M.B.) this coming year. Have a great year Thomas and Chris and I eagerly await all of the knowledge you will share with the Garage Journal community.
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Good heavens - what's this page doing down on page nine of the list...?:willy_nil

Thomas - where are you? :dunno:

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A Simply Sorry Saga - SSS Part I

The following is a Simply Sorry Saga (SSS). For those of you who have done car restorations before or are contemplating doing one, this will make interesting and informative reading. I apologize in advance, it's a little lengthy.

To begin, here is some necessary background information.



From a few years ago, here is a picture of my '66 Corvette convertible before I had even purchased it.
It was parked in the spectator parking lot of all places, at one of our Pure Stock Drag Races with a For Sale sign in the window. BTW, that's me on the left, calling the phone number on the sign.
It had been owned for the previous 41 years by the same gentleman and since none of his kids wanted any of his old cars, the time had come to sell it.
We worked out purchase details (I gave him a $90 deposit to hold it, that's all the spare cash I had- after all, I was there drag racing - not to buy a Corvette!) and I arraigned to pick it up the following week.



Here's the car when I drove to his house to pick it up a few days later.
It had obviously been well cared for and came with several boxes of original parts as well as the original fabric and convertible top frame assembly.
Over the years whenever he had removed parts and replaced them (water pump, carburetor, brake master cylinder etc.) he had diligently saved all the original parts.
He had preferred using the car with the removable hard top in place and had long ago removed the folding convertible top assembly so he had more storage space in the car.
I had driven up in a van to carry all those extra parts including the top assembly back while I drove the Corvette home.
So far a happy tale, yes?



I has always planned on having the folding top assembly restored along with new fabric and then install it back on the car.
Above is a picture of that convertible top assembly with the original white fabric and plastic rear window.
The previous owner had never really used the folding top, instead it had always been stored for 41 years.



The folding mechanism is somewhat complex and I was occupied with other projects at the time so I decided to have the restoration done by a Corvette convertible top frame restoration "expert".
As such I did due diligence and researched whom might be best to perform the folding frame restoration.
I zeroed in on a well known company in northern California that had been performing high level Corvette top restorations for more than 25 years and by all accounts was highly recommended.
I called the owner and spoke with him personally. He answered all my questions and gave me assurances that all work would be performed to the very highest standards. All metal parts would be powder coated for durability.
Fair enough, the top was boxed up and shipped to him.
He would only perform the metal frame restoration, the fabric top itself would be made and installed by Al Knoch, a well regarded Corvette fabric top specialist.
It so happened that Al Knoch was coming to a national Corvette event, Bloomingtion Gold, held that year only 11 miles from my shop and could do the installation at the show.
Perfect, what could possibly go wrong? :dunno:
I got the "restored" top frame back a couple weeks before I needed it. I opened the box but didn't remove it, from what I could see it all looked OK.
Drove the car and the box with the newly "restored" frame to Al Knoch for installation.
A couple of hours later I got a call from Al about a problem with the top frame.
Al told me clearly my car was pretty nice and he didn't think I really wanted to install that top frame on the car. He told me I better come a take a look.



Al showed me several places where the front header metal was all pitted with holes...



...and in some places was rotted away entirely. This type of rust on a convertible header frame is not uncommon but if any was found when the old fabric top was removed, it should have been repaired during the "restoration" process. It's interesting that with this damage un-repaired, it had still been powder coated over as if it was acceptable. WTF if you follow my drift. :wtf:
I couldn't see any of this when I opened the box and just looked in. My fault for not removing the frame and doing a personal inspection. I just trusted the company to do what they said they would do and relied on their reputation.

A quick call to the owner of the California restoration company who sincerely and profusely apologized up and down and all over for the shoddy workmanship.
I was told that frame work must have been done while he was away. He said that sort of thing would never have happened when he was there.
He told me to box and ship it back, he would pay for all shipping naturally.
Further, he would personally do any and all repairs necessary and expedite the work.
OK, fair enough we all make mistakes, but I was still highly reluctant to entrust him with it again.
In the end he convinced me to let him right the wrong and so the frame went back to California for correction.

Once the frame was corrected, I would now have to find someone else to install the fabric top since Al Knoch's shop was in Texas. Al and his crew only traveled and did in-the-field installation work at Corvette shows and he was booked for the rest of the year.
His recommendation for the Mid-West was Clint Coffman of Coffman Corvette, http://www.coffmancorvette.com/ in Mansfield, Ohio.
That would be about a 6 hour drive for me one way, but still doable in a single day.
I instructed the California company owner to ship the top frame to Coffman's once he was all done as Clint would be doing the fabric installation.
He apologized again and said he was shocked and embarrassed once he was able to see the frame in person.
He promised a less than 2 week turn around and that I'd be very happy with the results, guaranteed.

It all sounded good to me. Stand by for Part II. A knight in shinning armor comes to my rescue.

Thomas
 

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I am sorry you have had so many problems with the soft top frame. It is these experiences that lead to us doing so much ourselves. Some years ago I learnt the hard way not to let a blaster prime items as well. I accidentally scratched a steel wheel that I had paid to be blasted and primed. The scratch revealed the steel was still quite brown underneath.
 

Redwolf947

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South East WI
Woohoo!!!! The SSS. I've been waiting for this some time now.. I was wondering like Lyndon where you had been. Can't wait to read more..
 

C_F

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Utah...SNOW BLOWS!
I hope whoever did the top frame on the first go-round has since been "shown the door". Enough of that type of workmanship could easily run that company out of business.
Looking forward to episode #2. :)
 
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