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Thomas - add me to the list of folks who look forward to and enjoy your posts. I rarely comment but I always read. However, I also recognise how much work it is don't blame you at all if you'd rather spend your time on more productive things. Or, even just sitting by the fire with Miss Chris.
 

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Thomas, this isn't a threat. Soon after I fell into the Garage Journal you and Jack Olsen were here and posting. I have remained here for more than a decade for lots of reasons but your posts have always been an enlightening, entertaining and encouraging presence. I am thrilled you have retired and completely understand how little time that leaves you for posting here. If you were to stop posting completely, it would trigger a mourning process in me that I might never come out of. No pressure, just sayin'.
 
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Oh my.........................in that case it looks like I have no choice in the matter! :bounce:

I sometimes don't like to post about projects until they're completed but here's a sneak peak at 3...

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...different projects that the welding portion is done. I'm waiting to get these............wait for it...........surprise, powder coated! I've got them set aside in the lumber room to keep them out of the way for now. Rick and the crew are backed up a bit so you'll have to wait on more details.

And, since you brought it up, glad to hear you all understand that, just sometimes, rather than spend a few hours putting a post together on here, I'd rather CWC (Canoodle With Chris)!! :drool: Especially if it's by a fire! Thanks everyone.

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I've tried to slack off posting, figuring folks were kinda done reading about my exploits in TCOTU but there seems to be a ********* group here, so if they can put up with me, I'll still post away! We're coming up on 12 years for this thread and a bunch of "stuff" has happened during that time!
Nothing could be further from the truth Thomas! I'm actually bummed and worried about you and Chris if I don't see posts for awhile.
Keep On Keeping On and I hope you're still planning on a TCOTU Open House next year so I can visit again.
Happy Thanksgiving!

 

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Thomas, please continue posting. It gives me great joy to see the next project and your attention to detail.

Happy Thanksgiving to you and Chris and all the family.
 

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Your thread (this thread) in my opinion is one of the best on the entire internet. It seems that when you do something, you do it right.
I you find time to post additional pictures of those old tools, that would be fantastic!
 

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Here are a few before and after pictures of a shop I restored, starting in Nov,2005. It was built in the late 1930's and used by a father as a blacksmith/welding shop and later in the 1950's one of his sons started doing automotive repair there until his death in the mid 1970's. The father carried on until his retirement in the 1980's.The shop was then was slowly under used and finally abandoned.

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As you'll see nothing was ever thrown out is seems. So far I've removed 48 tons of steel scrap that was recycled.

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This is the same place in the shop as the "before" picture above it. That's the same window in both pictures but that's a new bench I built. Below was his welding corner.

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Note the red Lincoln arc welder on the right. It's the same welder in the after picture seen below.

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That welder is in the same place where it's been for decades and will be cosmetically restored since it works very well as is.

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To help orient yourself, look for the Pepsi Machine in the center...

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...of both these pictures. Both pictures are of the same area about 8 years apart.

The project was done mainly with my son and one other friend. Couldn't have done it without their help. Outside took about a year and the inside a second year. I'll post some more pictures if there is any interest.

To see additional pages of the shop and this thread, once you reach the bottom of each page, near the bottom right hand corner are numbers to click on for corresponding additional pages.

An index has been added to this thread due to it's advanced size to make referencing a post(s) easier. This index is not a complete detailed one, rather it is just a list of the major, photo-heavy posts focused on the shop. This index is brought to you courtesy board member wrigh003 with my thanks.

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What a nice restoration!!!
 
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Thank you everyone for the encouragement and kind words. That just keeps me going and going!

I'd like to bring the happy following information to everybody's attention. Our very good friend old salt racer, Lou Bingham...

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...seen last August at Bonneville with his famous #19 car, is celebrating...

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...his 90th birthday today, November 28th! I was talking with him this morning and he has confirmed he'll be joining Chris and myself in Philo once more next summer. That means he'll be here for the shop open house next June, 10-12, 2022......so you'll be able to meet the legend himself in person!

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Here's Lou at Bonneville last year, being asked by one of his fans, to autograph a feature article about him in Hop Up magazine.


Happy Birthday Lou!! You are the man!

Thomas

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...this is a surprise birthday party held for Lou that's going on right now as I post this! We managed to keep it a surprise for him!
 
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Let me follow up on the covers for the material lift opening in the basement/garage.

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If you take a look back at page 256, Oct.31, 2016, post #10,230 you see the basics of covering the material lift opening...

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There are 2 plywood panels that cover the opening...

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These panels are approximately 5' (1.5 m) deep. The right side panel (#1) is removed first and installed last since it has a lip that overlaps the other (#2) panel.

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I installed flat folding "D" rings...


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... on the rear and...

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...stainless steel, flush folding, finger holds toward the front of the panel. The panels would be routed out so the hardware would be countersunk and flush with the panel when installed as you'll see. The panels are going to be covered with...

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...a vinyl sheet that is in a raised diamond pattern. The material is on the basement floor presently waiting for the wrinkles to relax and smooth out before I install it. Meantime I cut some small vinyl patches to install around the panel hardware after the panels were routed...

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... as a kind of a "proof of concept" process.


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I use the overhead hoist of the material lift...

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...to support the rear of the panel while it is being either removed or re-installed.



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The hook supports the rear of the panel and...

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... I use the finger holds in front to guide the panel into place.

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I installed Blickle casters (naturally!) underneath the panels so I could roll them easily on the garage floor once they are out of the opening.

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Then, since that opening is common with the garage and basement I had them foam insulated underneath...

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...since we have about a 8º-10º F temperature differential between the garage and basement spaces, even though both are heated. Once the diamond vinyl has flatten out, it will be installed on the panels.

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I can now, easily by myself, remove and install those opening covers. Next up is fabricating and installing hardwood baseboard trim for around the opening. It's ragged drywall at present but I'll fix that! Check back. Thanks all.

Thomas



 

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I mentioned that you often inspire me to things the right way. Well today was a''WWTD' day.lol

Had a bad tierod end on a car I don't plan on keeping for too much longer, but my girl drives it, so I replaced all 4. I did still just use a piece of string to set the toe though..lol
 
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Thank you everyone for the kind words and nice posts.

PugetDude, I spent months and months and months mulling over exactly how I was going to make those covers function easily, especially for when I was older (than I am already!!) and working by myself. After using them for a while I started to narrow in what the difficulties were and how I could devise a relatively simple method for their use. It does take time but it is very rewarding when you finally hit on a solution and find it works!

Roger, I did get a kick out of your WWTD comment, thanks. String to set the toe will definitely work in a pinch. Roland's been known to use string on the Formula Fords in the pits for various suspension adjustments as seen below.

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We tried using Lou in the car at first to get the suspension at the approximate proper ride height before the adjustment was made, but he wasn't heavy enough so...


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...we had to round up Dan, the actual driver, to sit in it while Roland worked his suspension magic.

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Roland is quite clever in some of the ways he has to set these cars up. He has achived lots of success with them. You can take a bow now Roland!!

Thomas
 

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Neatest project i ever did see,
i build a lot of Z & N scale train layouts, Ho and 1/32 slot cars and the garages and other buildings, yours reminds me of that,
"Next Stop Willoughby"
 

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Thanks Thomas, I always set the toe with string bars. It is the most consistent and accurate way for me. You just have to make sure the strings are absolutely parallel to each other when you make the bars. Missed you two at the 90th! Those pix bring back memories. Should we discuss driving the Lotus 19?
 

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String bars? Man even when you guys are slumming, you go all out..lol I tie the front of the string to jackstands, and just wrap it around the back tires.
You guys were probably adding in a little toe-in to the rear wheels too though.
 

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To win in our type of cars requires a bit more accuracy than can be achieved that way. If you touch the jack stand or move the car all the your measurements change. The string bars are bolted to the chassis and move with it.
 
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...............Missed you two at the 90th! Those pix bring back memories. Should we discuss driving the Lotus 19?................

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Roland we wanted to be there in the worst way..........but it didn't happen. We did get to spent the entire summer with Lou, every day so that wasn't so bad. And it looks promising for him to join us here yet again in 2022.

For memories, how about this 2010...

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...you and Norm with the McKee outside my newly built barn...

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...and Chris is driving!!!!!! In the background, left is the lean-to, the tool shed and no concrete for the driveway yet.

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...Road America, 2012, doing my best impression of Chris as an umbrella man working Norm in the McKee...

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...Chris working Danny and the Lola T-70 (which race he won I might add) with the Lotus 19 bottom foreground, Indy 2014...


Now about driving the Lotus 19...

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...I'll leave that for another day.

Thomas
 

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I look at this thread many times and it never ceases to amaze me, just how much you and Chris get done.

Not only how much you do, but the extremely high level of quality and finish you adhere to.

This thread is a great record and testament to not only your work as a team, but also your global team and circle of friends.

It has to be pretty unique, even in this day and age.

And I count myself fortunate to have had the privilege of meeting you both and still having all my treasured bits, either found on site, or gifted by you Thomas.

As always, fond greetings from England, and I trust your preparation for the festive season is going without a hitch.
 

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Thanks so much for sharing and a happy belated 90th birtday Lou. I always enjoy your exploits there in Philo. It's funny, but I guess there can be more than one Center of the Universe, since that's also the nickname of Ashland, VA here close to me!

There's even a Center of the Universe Brewing Company. The work that you do is just so wonderful and seeing all of your G-G-Grandfather's tools was something else as well.
 
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I know we have a few new folks here who aren't exactly familiar with small town, Mid-West living. One year, when Roland had the race team headquartered at our place for that years summer race schedule, we put new brake pads...

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...on the Lotus 19 (in foreground, right) that he wanted to bed in before they left for that particular race. To do that he wanted to achieve some decent speeds (read that as more the 100 mph and less than 150 mph...or there abouts) and did we have a stretch of road around here that might support such an undertaking?

Sure enough, there's a nearly vacant rural highway not too many miles from the shop that was made to order. Better yet, I had a friend who has a farm right there and we could use his farm as a base of operation. So we loaded the Lotus up in my trailer and proceeded to undertake this important per-race prep task. To give you and idea of how rural this area was...

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...here's my friends farm and...

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...and here we are unloading the Lotus and...

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...here's the subject rural highway. Once past these 2 farmsteads on the left and right, the highway was clear of any side roads or structures for well over a mile, it was straight and flat and the roadbed was in good condition. So...

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...off goes Roland...

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...making sure...


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.... to lawfully obey the stop sign. The grain truck drivers eyes nearly bugged out of his head as he passed by, seeing the Lotus waiting at the stop sign.

Now at this point I'd like to add, "Kids don't try this at home. This is a professional"!

So with no traffic in sight for miles and miles...

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...Roland did some bedding in of the brakes. BTW, the white van was our support vehicle.

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After a couple of passes...

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...we swapped drivers and made sure the brakes were well bedded in. I might add, the Lotus was legally fully equipped for road use. One of the race requirements is it must be street legal. As such it had operational head and tail lights, brake lights, turn signals and even a horn.

So life in the fast lane even happens out here in "fly over country"! All in a days work.

Thomas





 
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