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Reviewing bit sets I will start with 1/4" Chapman

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I decided that I wanted to review some of my bitsets. Sometimes it is difficult to understand and compare what bits are included with which set.

I will post more to this thread as I get around to reviewing the different sets that I own.

I do not mean to spend time discussing LibreOffice (LO), but I will start by attaching a spreadsheet file that I created using LibreOffice (LO) in an ODS file. Excel will open (and can write) ODS files. Note that LibreOffice is a free mature office suite (it predates Microsoft Office [MSO])

What you want to know about this ODS file I will attach.

  1. It contains a list of some of the bit sets that I own along with an enumeration of what bits are included in each set.
  2. There is a macro in the ODS document that I use to generate a text document that lists the bits in an easier to read format. I do not generate a nicely formatted document doing this, the point is as a starting point and I wrote the macro quickly. Note that I published a book on Macro Programming and provided significant contributions towards the official documentation. The macro will not run on MSO because I did not write it to work with MSO, but, if something asks about the macro, if you do not intend to run it just tell whatever you are using to disable and not run macros in the document. But I want the macros there and I do not want to bother removing them. If enough people ask me I will provide a version without the macros.
My next post will be specific to the Chapman MFG #1000 Mity Master Set
 
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  1. Chapman MFG #1000 Mity Master Set​

See: https://chapmanmfg.com/

I was interested in USA made products so I decided to try bits from Chapman Manufacturing. Although I like these bits, understand that the bits differ from the standard bits as sold by almost everyone else.

I decided to not buy Wadsworth (see https://wfmc.shop/) because they require a spline drive to use the bits. Great set if you do not want to use other drivers. The Chapman bits are usable with other drivers if desired.

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The bits are not your normal bits because:

  • Each bit has a knurled end that limits what drivers can be used with these bits (see my compatibility comments below), but allows for finger tightening. This is more useful than I expected.
  • Each bit has a ball detent for better retention. Yeah, it works and is needed because they do not use magnets. I think that this is a better system... until you want a magnet to grab a screw. No magnet is better with some electronic equipment.
  • Slotted bits are hollow ground with parallel tips so you are less likely to damage a screw. These sets are highly used by people (such as gunsmiths, furniture makers, artisans, etc) when they want the screws to look pristine without damage. Grace, PB Swiss, and Lie Nielsen (high end wood working tools) also have parallel tips. My Craftsman, Vessel, Stanley, Tekton, Wera, have a triangle type slotted tip.
  • The bits are designed to bend or break before they damage the fastener; so check the designed strength for each bit, which is included in the box and it is mostly obvious after look at the sheet.
  • Each bit has a shoulder between the 1/4" hex drive and the business end of the bit. This provides a positive stop for the drivers preventing the bit from passing through a 1/4" hex opening. I measured the shoulder to be 0.277"
  1. Packaging​

The set is packaged in a plastic case as shown below:

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The case is available in dark green, red, orange, and yellow. Bit rails are easily removed / replaced. Bit can be purchased so you can fill your own bit rails with bits of your choice. Standard bits will fit in these rails but they will sit lower.

Each bit has a ball detent. If the “ball” is facing the bit-rail wall, it is held more firmly in the rail. I have nod had a bit fall out in any orientation.

  1. Bits​

All bits are 1/4" hex bits, similar to the PB Swiss C6; if you ignore the knurled end. The following bits are included in the #1000 Mity Master Set:

  • Phillips : PH1, PH2, PH3, PH4 (labeled P1, P2, P3, and P4)
  • JIS : JIS 1, JIS 2 (labeled CP1 and CP2)
  • Ball mm : B 3.0 mm, B 4.0 mm, B 5.0 mm, B 6.0 mm, B 8.0 mm (labeled B with size)
  • Ball SAE : B 1/8, B 9/64, B 5/32, B 3/16, B 7/32, B 1/4, B 5/16 (labeled B with size)
  • Hex mm : 1.27, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 4, 4.5, 5, 5.5, 6, 7, 8 mm (labeled by size only)
  • Hex Inch : 0.050, 1/16, 5/64, 3/32, 7/64, 1/8, 9/64, 5/32, 3/16, 7/32, 1/4, 5/16 (labeled by size only)
  • Torx (Star 6pt) : T6, T8, T10, T15, T20, T25, T30, T40 (labeled with an S)
  • Robertson : S1, S2, S3 (labeled 61, 62, and 63).
  • Socket Adapter bit, labeled 24, allows you to use 1/4" sockets.
  • Slotted : 1/8, 5/32, 3x3/16, 7/32, 2x1/4, 3x21/64, 2x3/8 (labeling is unusual and listed below)
Each bit is labeled, but for some the label is confusing, this is especially true for the slotted bits, which are labeled as shown below. The list has the label, the blade width, and the blade thickness as shown below:

  • 88 (.125" x .023") = (1/8" x .023")
  • 89 (.160" x .030") = (5/32" x .030")
  • 90 (.190" x .025") = (3/16" x .025")
  • 92 (.190 x .030) = (3/16" x .030")
  • 25 (.190" x .037") = (3/16" x .037")
  • 26 (.230" x .037") ≈ (7/32" x .037")
  • 93 (.250" x .025") = (1/4" x .025")
  • 17 (.250" x .037") = (1/4" x .037")
  • 95 (.328" x .030") = (21/64" x .030")
  • 96 (.328" x .037") = (21/64" x .037")
  • 91 (.328" x .050") = (21/64" x .050")
  • 97 (.375" x .025") = (3/8" x .025")
  • 98 (.375" x .037") = (3/8" x .037")
The set does not include all available bits. Not included in the set:

  • slotted bit labeled 19 (.375" x .050")
  • Slotted bit designed to remove grips from a 1911 type .45 handgun.
  • Security Torx (T8 – T30)
  • Bristol 6 Flute Spline bits
  • Reed and Prince / Frearson bits
  • Metric slotted bits, nice for European machinery
  1. Handles​


One black and yellow handle (CMH-3) driver is included with the kit. Other handles are available including black, Slim ESD, and Stubby. A black handle is available with a set screw that can lock a bit or extension into the handle. The set screw uses a 0.050" Hex bit (included in the set) to loosen and tighten the set screw.

  1. Spinners and Palm Ratchets​

Two cheap plastic spinners are included in the set; one round, one triangle shaped. The spinners are $2.50 each and they can provide a little extra torque hardly affecting clearance. I have used these and it is nice when you need just a little more torque than you can get with just the bit.


Not included in the set is the PR-13 Palm Drive ratchet (PR-13). This is a 20 tooth non-reversible palm ratchet. This replaces their “famous” CM-13, that I know nothing about. The spinner has decent back drag and works OK. One side is labeled “IN” and the other is labeled “OUT”. To screw something in, you insert the bit so that the business end says out so that while using it the word “IN” is staring back at you.


I purchased the version without a case for $16.
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  1. Extensions​

The kit includes two extensions, the E2 (2 inch) and the CME-1 (3-5/8 inch). Also available are the E6 (6") and the E8 (8") extensions. The 3-5/8" extension is available with, and without, a set screw; same as the handle with a 0.050" hex head set screw. You must loosen the set screw to fit a bit or extension into the extension. They sell extra set screws.


The extensions have the same knurled end as the bits. Extensions can be inserted into other extensions, handles, spinners, ratchets, and palm ratchets.

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Bits and extensions bottom out in handles and extensions when the knurled end hits the back of the handle. Extensions stop in ratchets, spinners, and palm ratchets when the “lilp” on the bit hits. Long extensions have two small protrusions that stop the ratchets and spinners (see the top example in the picture above). They include a spacer that is round on the inside that hits the protrusions stopping the spinner just under the ball detent. The spacer prevents ratchets and spinners from going all the way down to give you an extra 3/4" reach by preventing the ratchet from going any lower. Because this extension is round, it spins.

On the surface this feels a little silly, but, by allowing this extra space, you can put a ratchet onto a longer extension, place the back of the extension into a handle, and then use the ratchet to turn the driver. OK, so not as silly as I thought it was when I first received the kit.



  1. Ratchets​

My experience with the Tekton mini ratchet (2888) and Pittsburgh 92630 right angle screwdriver, I expected the small Chapman (not reversible) bit ratchets to work poorly. I was wrong. The 20 tooth Chapman bit ratchets are a huge improvement, but are not awesome. They are more usable and can really get into tight places while holding onto the bits very well. The handle labels “IN” and “OUT” complete with arrows pointing in the proper direction. I was disappointed that these are not usable with standard bits (see compatibility below).

The kit comes with a black dipped (CM-13) ratchet with a textured handle that holds well in the hand. They also have Yellow and Blue, but those look like they are not textured so are probably slippery. These are currently selling for $8, now that is a great price. I would have one in every car if these were usable with standard bits.


There are painted version of these ratchets for $10. The painted versions are available in Silver, Blue (and silver), Black (and silver), Red (and silver), Orange (and silver), and Flame Treated. I bought an orange ratchet.


  1. Compatibility​

Normal bits do NOT work with Chapman drivers, spinners, or ratchets. Chapman does not use magnets to retain bits and extensions. This is intentional for use with sensitive electronics. Non-Chapman 1/4" hex shank fit into the tools, but without a ball detent they are not retained (they fall out). Even worse, most bits go straight through the ratchets and spinners because they do not have a raised lip like the Chapman bits. So the ratchets and spinners are only easily usable with the Chapman bits with the ball detent.

Chapman bits work with some other products. A rule of thumb is that anything with a back end like the Tekton mini ratchet (2888) and Pittsburgh 92630 right angle screwdriver will not work. If the driver can work with a double sided bit, it probably will work, but most bit drivers and handles are too shallow:

  • PB Swiss PB 451 M magnetic bit holder, handles, and ratcheting screw drivers. Nope
  • 6 point 1/4" shallow socket. Nope.
  • LTT Ratcheting screwdriver Nope
I did have some success:

  • Tekton ratcheting screw driver. Yes
  • Chinese SK handle with a strong magnetic. Works but shallow.
  • Tekton comfort grip handle bit driver. Works but shallow.
  • SK Deep 6 point1/4" socket. Yes
  • ICON Locking flex head & ratchet bit set. Bit Ratchet yes. Handle end extension Works but shallow.
  • Gearwrench 1/4" drive 6" 72 tooth bit ratchets. I tested with the 6" and 12" flex-head 81025 and 81030 ratchets. Yes
  • Megapro 15-in-1 drivers. Yes. This uses regular size double sided bits.
  • Megapro Amigo. Works but shallow. This uses short double sided bits.
  • RolGear ratcheting screwdriver. Works but shallow. Best back-drag ever, try one of these.
  • Craftsman 47480 10-in-1 screwdriver. Yes. Uses double sided bits.
  • Craftsman CMHT68129 Ratcheting Screwdriver (SpeedDrive) with 2" doubled ended bits. Yes.
  1. Chapman Wrap-Up​

I had not previously used a handle or extension with a locking set screw, and most of my single sided bits do not have a ball detent. I love how well these bits are retained even without using the locking set screw. This is my goto set for sensitive electronics or anything were bit retention is really important; ever lose a bit down a car air duct?

Depending on use, buy a few extra handles; it is nice to have a few different bits ready to go but this still takes less space than multiple full sized screwdrivers.

I had to place another order because I realized that there were a few extra bits that I wanted. Also, this set might replace my Grace screwdrivers designed for woodworking and firearms.

Now if only they would create specific bits designed to work on hand planes. I think that Lie Nielsen is the only place that sells these.

This is a nice set, but you will not be dropping these bits into an electric screwdriver (or similar) I think.

Now I need to decide what to look at next.
 
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GripEdge Bit Set MBS132 $250​

This is a review of the GripEdge 132-PC RPT Multi-Bit Driver Set (SKU MBS132)




I purchased the GripEdge set because some of the tip types have Rounding Prevention Technology (R.P.T.) and I had to remove some bits that worried me. Side Note: It worked as advertised on the fasteners in question.

I believe that GripEdge tools are made in Taiwan, not that it was obvious from what was easily available.

GripEdge makes the R.P.T. bit for Mac Tools, who sells a very similar looking set; for example, https://www.mactools.com/products/sbdr123sa
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GripEdge marketing material (Summarized)​




  • Provide up to 50% greater torque delivery on intact fasteners.
  • Exert up to 400% more torque on compromised fasteners.
  • Bi-directional geometry, which I assume means loosening and tightening so if you do not have a replacement fastener you can insert the damaged one and keep going.
  • Prevent the rounding (so you do not damage good fasteners, so not just damaged fasteners)
  • Protective (zinc phosphate finish) coating for superior corrosion resistance.
  • All bits are marked with laser-etched sizing for easy identification. Translation: Each bit has the size, which is usually readable, “GRIPEDGE”, and the part number. This is nice, but, black on dark gray is not trivial to read and it will probably wear off with use, not that I have seen this yet.

Packaging​

I like the packaging (mostly). The top does not simply release when I undo the latches and I usually need to use my fingernails to open the box.

The top of the case identifies each bit type and size. At first glance this seems silly since each bit has the size clearly readable in the foam containing the bit. On the other hand, with the RPT technology, it might not be obvious that a bit is a HEX bit. The geometry is altered for RPT. As an example, here is a picture taken from a hex socket set. That tip does not look like a hex bit.

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The 6 point Torx (Star) bits it is obvious what they are, but there are slight differences in the geometry. The image below shows the GripEdge T50 (on the left) and the Tekton T50 on the right. Notice the subtle differences in the geometry. Also notice that the GripEdge bits have a slight detent in the 1/4" hex shaft whereas the Tekton does not.
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Included Bits​

Not all of the bits have RPT technology. The bits that have RPT have “RPT” in the name, so take note of these.

  • RPT Hex bits – 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 4, 5, 5.5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10mm & 1/16, 5/64, 3/32, 7/64, 1/8, 9/64, 5/32, 3/16, 7/32, 1/4, 9/32, 5/16, 3/8”
  • RPT Tamper Proof Hex bits – 2.5, 3, 4, 5, 6mm & 5/64, 3/32, 7/64, 1/8, 9/64, 5/32, 3/16, 7/32”
  • RPT Star bits – T6, T7, T8, T9, T10, T15, T20, T25, T27, T30, T40, T45, T47, T50
  • RPT Tamper Proof Star bits – T8H, T10H, T15H, T20H, T25H, T27H, T30H, T40H, T45H, T50H
  • RPT Star Plus bits – IP6, IP7, IP8, IP9, IP10, IP15, IP20, IP25, IP27, IP30, IP40, IP45, IP50
  • RPT Tamper Proof Star Plus bits – IPR8, IPR10, IPR15, IPR20, IPR27, IPR30, IPR40, IPR45, IPR50
  • RPT Square bits – #0, #1, #2, #3
  • RPT Triple Square bits – M5, M6, M8
  • Slotted bits – 1/8, 5/32, 3/16, 7/32, 1/4, 9/32, 5/16
  • Phillips bits - #0, #1, #2, #3, #4
  • Pozidriv bits - #0, #1, #2, #3, #4
  • JIS Phillips bits - #1, #2, #3
  • Spanner bits – 4, 6, 8, 10mm
  • Torq-Set bits – 6, 8, 10mm
  • Tri-Wing bits - #1, #2, #3, #4
  • Clutch bits – 5/32, 3/16, 1/4"
  • Wing Nut driver
A few items of note:

This is one of the few sets that includes JIS bits, Torx and Torx Plus, and a wing nut driver. Although I purchased the set for the RPT bits, the second thing I used in this set was the Wing Nut driver. Without looking, I think that this is my only set with a Wing Nut driver (to drive screw eyes or hooks). I have improvised with sockets of specific sizes when I needed a Wing Nut Driver.


Other Stuff​

The extra included items

  • Labeled AD (for adapter), there is a 1/4" Hex dr x 1/4” Square adapter, which inserts into the bit driver that is used to drive sockets.
  • Labeled Bit-A.D, is a Bit coupler socket, that can be used with a 1/4" ratchet to drive the bits.
  • There is a 5.3" “Bit adapter”, which has a 1/4" hex shaft on one end and a 1/4" bit socket with a magnet on the end on the other end. This bit adapter is inserted in the included 60 Tooth ratcheting screwdriver with 12-bit storage holder inside of the handle. The top of the handle doubles as a stubby screw driver.
  • The 5.3" extension bit adapter works just fine with the Chapman ratchets.
  • T-Handle bit driver where one end lists has the same problem as the ratcheting screw driver listed above.
The set includes a ratcheting screwdriver. It is shown below with the 5.3" extension installed. The extension can be removed (just pull it). Do NOT insert a bit into the handle with extension removed. DANGER! It is possible to push a bit fully inside the handle (or at least it looks like it). The extension can seat a full 1" into the handle and the bits are only 1" long. There is a positive detent based on the extra grooves (detents) on the bits, but they will easily push past that. I checked. Don’t do it! Only use the bits with the extension.

GripEdge_Ratcheting_Screwdriver.jpg
The ratcheting action on the ratcheting screwdriver is unremarkable. It works and supports right, left, and locked in place. I find the handle to be a bit on the large side.

When I tried a Megapro 15-in-1 I thought “That handle is horrible”. It is mostly a cylinder with a 35mm diameter. I really dislike these for my hand size. I rarely every use these. Good to put in a car I suppose.


The craftsman ratcheting screwdriver (CMHT68129) is also 35mm at its largest and I had the same initial impression, but because the handle is not a straight cylinder I find it very usable (but heavy).


The GripEdge ratcheting screwdriver at its widest point is 39mm, so even wider. For my hands the ergonomics is not great.

The top of the Ratcheting screwdriver screws off revealing a stubby screwdriver with a 6 bit holder that slides on/off the shaft. The image below shows the stubby with a Torx bit installed and the bit holder removed. Kind of a nice touch.
GripEdge_Stuby_handle.jpg
A T-Handle is included in the set.

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The bottom socket recesses a full 1", so I think that you should NOT insert a bit directly into the bottom socket. The extension will work in either socket. DANGER!

The ratcheting screwdriver has a ball detent but the T-Handle does not. On the other hand, the bottom of the T Grip has a wire in an internal groove, not sure what that is for.

Chapman Compatibility​

Chapman bits and extensions work fine in the racheting screwdriver as well as the bottom of the T-Handle. Similarly, the 5.3" extension works fine with the Chapman ratchets and extensions.

Conclusions​

Things I really like:

  • Nice selection of bits.
  • After the case is opened, everything is well labeled.
  • Finger access is cut in the foam holding the drivers in place so it is easy to get everything out.
  • R.P.T. technology, it is why I bought the set.
  • I can use Chapman bits with the drivers and it might be a reason to buy the drivers separately if you like the Chapman bit sets and extensions.
Things I don’t like:

  • I find the case difficult to open. I am sure that the tight fit keeps out dust and moisture, but it is a bother every time I open it.
  • The ratcheting screwdriver is a bit wide for my hands.
  • The ratcheting action is not that great.
  • Two of the “sockets” allow the bit to be fully inserted and they would then be difficult to remove. This does provide Chapman compatibility, but just seems like an unnecessary risk.
  • Expensive ($250).
 

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Very nice write-ups on these sets! It's obvious you've done a lot of research and carefully inspected all the bits (pun intended :sneaky:).
 
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Slotted Bits And Screwdrivers
Most of my slotted screwdrivers have triangular shaped tips. In the image below, from left to right, is Vessel, Wera, Craftsman, Tekton, Grace, and PB Swiss. The two on the right, Grace, and PB Swiss, have parallel tips. The PB Swiss looks like it is angled in, but that is just the camera angle and probably distortion (and I decided to not try to correct it or take another picture). I assume that I do not need to mention why parallel is better for slotted screws and why gunsmiths love the Grace screw drivers designed specifically to fit the screws on firearms. And if working on European equipment with metric screws, the PB Swiss are very popular.
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Now compare this to three different slotted bits from (left to right) PB Swiss, Craftsman, and Apex.
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The PB Swiss (on the left) is specifically designed to be parallel and fit the screw head well. Even the bits that are not designed to be “parallel” seem to have a nicer fit than the triangular shaped normal screwdrivers. This is a closeup of a craftsman screwdriver that best fits the slotted screw. You can see that it hits on the rims.
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This is what the PB Swiss bit looks like (designed to be parallel).
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I should have taken more photos, but, even the bits that are not designed to be “parallel” seem to provide a better fit on a slotted fastener than the standard screwdrivers. The PB Swiss and the Chapman bits are specifically designed and marketed as parallel so as not to damage the screws. If you do not own parallel slotted bits or drivers, it looks like you may have a better fit with most slotted bits than with a standard slotted screwdriver.

You can purchase parallel-tip screwdrivers (Grace and PB Swiss), and if you search you can find others. I see parallel listed for some Wera, but none of my Wera are parallel.
 
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Craftsman​

Back in the day, most of my bit sets were Crafstman branded. I had a few different “Speed-Lok” sets. My largest set was the Craftsman 85-Piece Speed Lok 926185. Here is a random picture of a very similar (but different) set.
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The primary draw was the ability to quickly change all sorts of bits and drills in a secure way. I see a small version with only bits, sockets, and the quick release (no drilling or drivers) on amazon right now; reviews going back 11 years. I bought my first sets when I had very few tools, even when I lived in an apartment, and what a great set to have. These sets are easily available on eBay right now. I still might just grab this if I am doing something small where I might want to drill a few simply / quick holes and want some standard bits.

My go-to bit set was Craftsman in a flexible plastic case. I have no idea of the model number, but, many of the bits are original. By today’s standards this is a very spartan set, but, with the most common household bits with multiples of Phillips PH0 thru PH3, many slotted bits, a few common Torx and a set of nut drivers. Maybe a couple of Robertson square drive. I added some Robertson bits because I use them heavily.
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This is the set when we were driving bits into a hard sub-floor and the other guys were breaking lots of bits, I used a single bit for the entire project and it still looked good. I ended up letting them use my bits and no more bits were broken on that project. Most of my abusive bit behavior these days is not done using Phillips bits; usually square or a star variety. The original bits were all black, replacements were not black, and some of the replacements are Robertson varieties that I use frequently. I looked on eBay for older sets and they are rather expensive. One seller on eBay has this set missing most of the bits for $100 or best offer.

My go-to multi-bit screwdriver has been the Craftsman 47480, which I think they call a 10-in-1. This set looks like the Klein Tools 32500 11-in-1 Screwdriver / Nut Driver Set, 8 Bits (see https://www.amazon.com/Screwdriver-...lein-Tools/dp/B0015SBILG?tag=atomicindus08-20). The bits are 1-1/4" long with a ball-detent. You can use the chapman bits and extensions with this.
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Although I really like the Tekton 6-in-1 screwdriver, I prefer the bit selection on this. #1 and #2 Phillips, 1/4-Inch and 3/16-Inch slotted, T10 and T15 TORX, and #1 and #2 square Robertson drive. The klein version also acts as 3 different nut drivers, I assume the Craftsman is the same but I did not measure them to verify the sizes. I expect 1/4, 5/16, and 3/8.

CMHT68129 Precision ratchet screwdriver​

Screwdriver with bits in the handle (about $24). Nice action and bits in the handle. This this is heavy.
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Each bit is double-sided and 2" long. This works with Chapman bits.

The following bits are present: S01|S02, T30|T25, T25|T20, PH3|PH2, PH2|PH2, PH2|PH1, and 1/4"|3/16".

There are two T25 and four PH2 bits.

The bits fit in the handle in a case so things do not rattle around
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I bought this driver because it was on sale. Then I thought it was too wide and too heavy. I find, however, that this fits well in my hand because there is a finger hold where it narrows. Also, the back-drag is surprisingly low. My only complaint is that you cannot lock the ratcheting mechanism and use it as a regular screwdriver. Change direction by pulling / pushing on the back part below the handle. It is very easy to switch. My guess is that this is roughly 72 teeth, it feels very fine. The mechanism is a bit on the noisy side but very smooth.

I bought mine at Ace hardware. Walmart sells this for $30 and Amazon has it on sale for $15 right now.


Between the base of the handle and the portion that you push / pull to change direction, there is a large black collar. You can turn this collar with your fingers to turn the screw driver. This is a very nice unexpected feature. Even better, this collar works with the ratchet so you can hold things in place with one hand and use that collar like a ratchet. I have not seen this on any other ratcheting screwdriver. It might be even better than having a knurled shaft; it does not have a knurled shaft.

The appearance is sufficiently similar to the Williams JHWWRS-1 Magnetic Multi-bit Ratcheting Screwdriver that I expected them to be very similar; they are not because the williams:

  • Regular bits Snap-On bits SDM222IR8, SDM221IR8, SDM213B, SDM211B, SCMT150
  • Has much fewer teeth, less noise, and even lower back-drag.
  • No bit older in the handle, just loose bits; I should get someone to 3-d Print a bit holder.
  • Direction change is much more difficult
  • Cap wants to start crooked.

CMHT65077 magnetic finger bit driver​

This is a decent finger bit driver. A 1/4" ratchet can be inserted into the square end and a bit can be inserted into the hex end.
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The driver is decent and it is under $7 on amazon. The 1/4" slotted bit is mostly a triangle shape. I have not used any of these bits because I just don’t carry the three bits that came with the driver. This item claims to be assembled in the USA from global parts.

Craftsman Summary​

Sadly, I do not have a good feel for how well the modern craftsman bits hold up to strong abuse. I can say that new they seem to grip pretty well. Some of the newer slotted bits may have a more triangular shape than some others. When I want bits that I know will hold up, I am not generally buying new Craftsman bits, but in a pinch I would buy a pack and give them a try.

Each Item:
  • Speed Lok – I like these and they work well, but I think that you can probably not find replacement parts. A great simple, small set to carry around.
  • Bit Set – Again, time has shown them to be excellent, but I have no expectations that the newer stock will be of the same quality. So, if you can find old stock at garage sales, go for it. Love this set but limited bit variety.
  • Craftsman 10-in-1 screwdriver. I like it, I use it, great for around the house. I would try the Klein to see if it is similar.
  • Ratcheting Screwdriver: I own more than one of these and I like them. I really like the actions and how well the bits store in the handle. I do not, however, feel like I can easily replace the bits if they break. Maybe I can warranty the entire unit based on the bits. I did try to find these bits as replacement parts and I do not see them. I tried Megapro bits. They are little shorter and just wide enough that they will not fit. I can use Chapman bits but they feel a little tight. I was able to insert a PB Swiss E6 bit but it was very difficult to get it out (don’t do it). Just keep this in mind if you choose to buy one.
  • Finger Driver: The price is right and it works well. A good price for what it is.
I have not purchased any of the normal bit sets so I have no idea how well they work. I can say that they are a number one seller on Amazon with a low return rate. Lowes has some sets on a very good sale. This 47-piece (CMAF1247L) is on sale at Lowes for $10 and looks to be reasonable (the big seller on Amazon). There are many duplicate bits and a few other useful items for a good price. If the bits hold up, feels like a good deal.


Typical of Carftsman there is not a lot of information on these bits such as what is included. You can buy sets of specific bits if you use many of specific types, but these are limited to mostly things such as PH2 bits. Most of their bit sets, however, include many things that are not screwdriver bits; for example this 150 piece bit set complete with bills and saws.


I still like Craftsman products, but if you want specialty bits (such as JIS), you probably will not get it from Craftsman.
 
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I added a new bit set to my collection, the Proto J61390 with 91 pieces for about $120. I have mostly positive things to say about this set.

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The box is nice and sturdy with a great collection of bits. The lid can open all the way and stay open, but if you prop it half way up it will close.

I purchased my set off Zoro https://www.zoro.com/proto-12-in-drive-size-14-in-num-of-pieces91-j61390/i/G2477839/, and the bit list on the site is not current but as shipped it matches the Proto Catalog. For the most part they dropped the smaller sizes (such as a 1/8 clutch and the Tamper Hex 5/64 and 1.5mm. The replace them with other bits such as the 3/16 and 1/4 Clutch. I will not bother enumerating how zoro’s site differs from the Proto Catalog (Page 645 of the current catalog).

Some bits are not grouped together as expected, so the tamper SAE Hex bits range from 5/64 through 5/32 and then in another area is 7/32 through 3/8.

  • Clutch (looks like a bow-tie) : 5/32, 3/16, and 1/4. (as opposed to 1/8 and 5/32).
  • Square: 0, 1, 2, 3
  • Tamper Hex SAE: 5/64, 3/32, 7/64, 1/8, 9/64, 5/32, 3/16, 7/32, 1/4, 9/32, 5/16, 3/8.
  • Tamper Hex Metric: 2, 2.5, 3, 4, 5, 6 (no 1.5mm)
  • Tamper Torx: 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, 20, 25, 27, 30, and 40.
  • Torx: 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, 20, 25, 27, 30, 40, and 50.

Something special in the set is that this contains some Ball End bits:

  • Ball End Hex SAE: 1/8, 5/32, 3/16, 7/32, and 1/4
  • Ball End Hex Metric: 2.5, 3, 4, 5, 5.5, and 6mm
A nice Phillips range include PH4
  • Phillips: PH0, PH1, PH2, PH3, and PH4
The Slotted Bits are hollow ground so they fit slotted screws nicely. I measured the thickness with a cheap digital micrometer so consider the tip thickness to be rough numbers. I included them for people who track that sort of thing. I do for when I deal with very specific slotted screws. Not as good as some others (chapman, PB Swiss), but better than the triangle shape on most screwdrivers. OK, most bits are NOT triangles.

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  • Slotted SAE: 1/8, 5/32, 3/16, 7/32, 1/4, 9/32 (thickness (0.4mm, 0.7, 0.9, 0.9, 1, and 1.2mm)
  • Tri-Wing: 1, 2, 3, 4
  • Spline: M5, M6, and M8
  • Torq-Set: 6, 8, 10
  • bit adapter to connect to a 1/4" socket. 1" usable in the included drivers
  • bit adapter to connect to a 1/4" socket. 2" long. Nicely usable in a cordless drill.
  • Quick change chuck bit adapter that locks the bits in place and you use it in a cordless drill.
  • Bit Coupler that will work nicely in a 1/4" ratchet to attach these bits.
  • Wing Nut / Bit Wing Nut adapter. I love these and not many sets have them.

The T-Handle Bit Driver is nice and comfortable in my hand. Both ends are magnetic. I kind of wish it was ratcheting, but it is nice.
For me, the 1/4" Hex Ratcheting Magnetic Bit driver is a mixed bag but usable.
  • The bits are held well (magnetic)
  • There is nice knurling in the shaft (big plus).
  • The top of the handle screws off. You can fit 7 bits into the cap (nicely thought out) including the long ones because the handle is hollow and deep. You could drop a bunch of bits into the handle as well.
  • The handle has four “divots” that provide a better grip and prevents the screwdriver from rolling (nice).
  • I find the driver a bit large for my hand and I find the Snap-On driver more comfortable in my hand. OK, I find most of my ratcheting drivers more comfortable in my hand. I like this handle better than the MegaPro multi-bit drivers that I disliked enough that I gave them to a friend (who loves them).Personal preference.
  • If you look down the handle there is text FWD and REV. If you twist towards FWD, then you tighten. Twist towards REV to loosen. To see the marks, you must look down the shaft, you cannot tell by looking on the side of the screwdriver. So how do you tell without trying to rotate the metal collar? The metal collar is black. Directly behind the metal color is a solid gray section followed by a solid black section, followed by another gray section that is not solid all the way around. If you align the o between FWD and REV, the shaft is locked. If you then rotate the FWD direction, which puts the driver into “tighten”, the break aligns with REV. If you rotate in the REV direction, which puts the driver into loosen, the gray section aligns with FWD. So, a little odd, but it works.
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In the last week, I have had three failures with new Proto products (Zoro is taking care of those) and one used product (Proto is evaluating that). Because of this I am very sensitive to how a ratcheting mechanism feels, especially on my Proto things. Remember this.

On first use, the screwdriver reverse felt similar to two product failures using only my fingers (so no heavy load) and I keep expecting it to fail; but it has not. If there is a bit of odd pressure on the shaft (side pressure, for example), the ratcheting mechanism feels like it is catching (but it does not). In other words, it is not as smooth as my other ratcheting screwdrivers.

I expect that it will wear in with use, but only time will tell.

For the price, this is a great set and I would buy it again in a heart beat. For now, this will be my beater set when I want a full complement of bits and drivers. I will keep my GripEdge near if I I want RBRT. These are NOT RBRT even though one review claimed that they are.
 
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A bit about Tekton offerings as it relates to precision (4mm) Bits. First, just to establish the bit shapes because I am often saying (in my head) what was that one again?

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There is an Everybit Tech Rescue Kit with 46 pieces and a nice case (https://www.tekton.com/everybit-tech-rescue-kit-28301) for under $30. These bits are all 4mm so they will not fit into your standard bit driver.

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  • 1-pc. aluminum screwdriver different than above.
  • 1-pc. ESD-safe tweezers
  • 1-pc. flexible metal spudger
  • 1-pc. nylon spudger/probe
  • 2 bit organizers (holds the bits)
  • 1 case that holds everything.
  • NUT DRIVER 3, 3.5, 4, 5, 6.5 mm (5 sizes) for 1/4" screw drive
  • HEX 1.3, 1.5, 2 mm (3 sizes)
  • TRIANGLE 18, 20, 23, 27 (4 sizes)
  • PENTALOBE 0.8, 1.2, 1.5 mm (3 sizes) – iPhone and MAC.
  • TRI-WING 0, 1 (2 sizes)
  • TAMPER RESIST STAR TR6, TR7, TR8, TR9, TR10, TR15 (6 sizes)
  • TAMPER RESIST STAR (long reach) TR6, TR8 (2 sizes) These are 3" long.
  • TORX (6-Star) T3, T4, T5 (3 sizes)
  • PHILLIPS #000, #00, #0, #1 (4 sizes)
  • PHILLIPS (long reach) #0, #1, #2 (3 sizes) These are 3" long.
  • SLOTTED 1, 1.5, 2.5 mm. (3 sizes)
This is a pretty decent set for what it is and the tools actually work. The large black “driver” for the bits has a nice movement but is a bit bulky. If you want a small kit with some OK bits, not a bad choice.

If you want a much smaller kit, the poorly named 27-Piece Everybit Precision Tool Kit with Case is available for about $13 (see https://www.tekton.com/everybit-precision-tool-kit-2830). I say poorly named because it has so few bits when compared to the Everybit Tech Rescue Kit mentioned above, which contains every bit contained in this kit. But this kit takes much less space. These bits are all 4mm so they will not fit into your standard bit driver. Don't like this one

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  • 1 Precision Screwdriver with a free-spinning endcap.
  • 1 Spudger for prying apart cases.
  • 2 bit organizers (holds the bits)
  • 1 case that holds everything.
  • NUT DRIVER 4, 5 mm (2 sizes)
  • PENTALOBE 0.8, 1.2 mm (2 sizes) – iPhone and MAC.
  • TRI-WING 0, 1 (2 sizes)
  • TAMPER RESIST STAR TR6, TR7, TR8, TR9, TR10, TR15 (6 sizes)
  • TORX (Star) T3, T4, T5 (3 sizes)
  • PHILLIPS #000, #00, #0, #1 (4 sizes)
  • SLOTTED 1, 1.5, 2.5 mm. (3 sizes)
The plastic driver handle on this set work but is horrible. Just so you know. So, this will work in a pinch but I would absolutely not want to use this long term… but it works in a pinch.

With all that said, if I only wanted the bits, would I buy either of these? Nope! I would buy their not available as I write this 97-piece 4mm precision bit set DBA93100 (see https://www.tekton.com/4-mm-shank-bit-driver-and-bit-set-with-case-97-piece-dba93100) for $50.

Tekton now packages sets of precision bits in these rails that you can buy for $5 each. This new set packages these all together in sets of 12 (for the 4mm bits). The following rails are included:

  • Phillips: P000, P00, P0, P1, P2(5 sizes) JIS and JCIS Compatible
  • Slotted: 0.8, 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 4 mm(7 sizes)

  • Y-Type: Y000, Y00, Y0, Y1, Y2(5 sizes) (this is not a tri-wing).
  • Pentalobe: PL1, PL2, PL3, PL4, PL5, PL6(6 sizes)
  • Standoff(1 size)

  • Tamper Hex (SAE): 5/64, 3/32, 7/64, 1/8, 9/64, 5/32 in.(6 sizes)
  • Tamper Hex (MM): 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4 mm(5 sizes)
  • Sim Ejector: 0.8 mm(1 size)

  • Hex (MM): 0.7, 0.9, 1.3, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4 mm(9 sizes)
  • Pozidriv: PZ0, PZ1, PZ2(3

  • Hex (IN): 0.028 , 0.035, 0.050, 1/16, 5/64, 3/32, 7/64, 1/8, 9/64, 5/32 in.(10 sizes)
  • Triple Square: M3, M4

  • Tamper Star: TR6, TR7, TR8, TR9, TR10, TR15, TR20(7 sizes)
  • Triangle: TA14, TA18, TA20, TA23, TA27(5 sizes)

  • Star: T1, T2, T3, T4, T5, T6, T7, T8, T9, T10, T15, T20(12 sizes)

  • Square: S00, S0, S1, S2(4 sizes)
  • Spanner: 2.0, 2.6 mm(2 sizes)
  • Clutch: 3/32, 1/8 in.(2 sizes)
  • Tri-Wing: TW0, TW1
  • Line Head: LH-2, LH-3(2 sizes)
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I really like the rails and it is a great selection with a very well labeled easy to read setup. So, this is what I would get. if you drop a rail, you are still good to go, these bits stay in place. The only thing missing really is nut drivers and any extended length bits if needed; and sometimes you need them.
 
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A few more Tekton offerings, which I own.

DBH93102 is a 1/4 Inch Security Bit Driver and Bit Set with Case (37-Piece).

See https://www.tekton.com/1-4-inch-security-bit-driver-and-bit-set-with-case-37-piece-dbh93102

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The case is nice, I like the driver and how the bits are packaged. I find that I am likely to just pull the bits and carry the them with a ratcheting screwdriver (like my Snap-On). You can buy the bits individually for $5 each as follows:
  • DZX93003 Tamper Hex SAE: 5/64, 3/32, 7/64, 1/8, 9/64, 5/32, 3/16, 7/32, and 1/4".
  • DZX93004 Tamper Hex metric: 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4, 4.5, 5, 5.5, and 6mm.
  • DZT93002 Tamper Star: TR7, TR8, TR10, TR15, TR20, TR25, TR27, and TR30. You lose 35 and 40 but gain TR7.
  • DZZ93002 Clutch and Spanner: CL 1/8, 5/32, 3/16, 7/32, and 1/4. Spanner: #4, 6, 8, and 10.
The packaging is really nice and the markings are very easy to read. I LOVE how these are packaged. The markings on the bits are easier to read than on my PB Swiss bits (but the PB Swiss bits are better).

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There is an almost identical non-security bit version of this set with exactly the same setup.

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  • DZX93001 Hex SAE: 5/64, 3/32, 7/64, 1/8, 9/64, 5/32, 3/16, 7/32, and 1/4".
  • DZX93002 Hex metric: 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4, 4.5, 5, 5.5, and 6mm.
  • DZT93001 Star: T7, T8, T10, T15, T20, T25, T27, and T30.
  • DZZ93001 misc: [Phillips] PH1, PH2, PH3, [Slotted] SL3/16, SL1/4, SL5/16, [Square] S1, S2, S3
Take a look at a side view of the slotted bits. Not too bad, better than the triangles on their standard drivers.

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In the dark recesses of time, Tekton used to sell the (2930) TEKTON Everybit Security Bit Set (33-Piece).
  • 9-pc tamper-resistant star bits: TR8, TR10, TR15, TR20, TR25, TR27, TR30, TR35, TR40
  • 6-pc tamper-resistant inch hex bits: 5/32, 9/64, 1/8, 7/64, 3/32, 5/64 in
  • 6-pc tamper-resistant metric hex bits: 2, 2.5, 3, 4, 5, 6 mm
  • 4-pc. tri-wing bits: 1, 2, 3, 4
  • 3-pc torq-set (4-wing) bits: 6, 8, 10 mm
  • 4-pc spanner bits: 4, 6, 8, 10 mm
  • 1-pc magnetic extension bit holder
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There are a few differences between this set and the DBH93102 set listed above; for example, it has a TR40 and TR35 but adds a TR7. Also, this set adds some Torq-Set. Not a bad set, but even if it was available I would order the DBH93102 set (I own both). You can still find this, but not from Tekton.

All this leads up to the Tekton (2841) Ratchet Screwdriver and Bit Set (135-Piece) that is available (not from Tekton) from people selling old stock for about $30, so a decent price.

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This includes the (2830) Tekton® Everybit Precision Tool Kit, 27-Piece Set and the (2930) TEKTON Everybit Security Bit Set (33-Piece); both mentioned above, and it is one of the reasons that I listed them.
  • Slotted: 3/32, 7/64, 1/8, 9/64, 5/32, 3/16, 7/32, 1/4, 9/32, 5/16 in. (10 bits)
  • Phillips: PH0, PH1, PH3, PH4 (4 bits)
  • Phillips: PH2 (3 bits)
  • Phillips: drywall #2 Phillips bit (2 bits)
  • Pozidriv: PZ0, PZ1, PZ2, PZ3, PZ4 (5 bits)
  • Square: S0, S1, S2, S3 (4 bits)
  • (Torx) Star: T5, T5.5, T6, T7, T8, T9, T10, T15, T20, T25, T27, T30, T35, T40, T45, T50 (16 bits)
  • Hex: 1/16, 5/64, 3/32, 7/64, 1/8, 9/64, 5/32, 3/16, 7/32, 1/4, 9/32, 5/16 in (12 bits)
  • Hex: 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 4, 5, 5.5, 6, 7, 8 (10 bits)
  • clutch: 1/8, 5/32, 3/16, 1/4, 7/32 in. (5 bits)
  • 1-pc. 1/4 in. drive x 1/4 in. hex bit socket adapter;
  • 1-pc. ratchet screwdriver
I like the selection, it includes the following not common bits: PH4, Drywall bits, Pozi bits PZ0 through PZ4. A decent set of bits.

Drywall #2 Phillips bits are slightly smaller in diameter and are designed specifically for hanging drywall. The smaller diameter allows the bit to fit deeper into the screw head, creating a more secure lock and reducing stripping. This can make it easier to drive screws and can also reduce operator fatigue. I also own some of these from Vessel.

I wanted to try their discontinued Ratcheting Screwdriver. The screw drive is OK but not great. Backdrag is very good, you can get many bits into the handle, but I don’t really like the handle. The ratcheting action is better than the Proto, but pretty much everything else is the same or worse than the Proto. For the price, this is much better than the Proto ($117) and the Proto only has 91 pieces. But I prefer the Proto.

Everything is labeled well with a decent selection including bits not commonly found and no longer offered by Tekton (like the PH4 and drywall bits).

I don’t usually need the smaller 4mm bits while I am using the 1/4" bits. For the price, you get a nice usable selection, and if there is something that you want that is not included, just toss it into the ratcheting screwdriver handle.

This is a great set if you want a beater and a bunch of bits. If I just want a beater ratcheting screwdriver, I probably bring my CRAFTSMAN Ratcheting Screwdriver, SpeedDrive, 2” Double Ended Bits Included, Handle Holds Up To 6 Bits (CMHT68129) for $15, but it cannot take other bits, or I bring my Williams ratcheting screwdriver, which is cheap enough I do not stress much if I beat it up.

If I just want a strong set of beater bits, I grab my Vessel IMPACT BALL Torsion Bit 52PCS SET, but that is $50 and has a much smaller selection (see https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D53F8ZCQ?tag=atomicindus08-20).

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  • Phillips : PH00, PH0, PH1, PH2, PH3
  • Pozi : PZ1, PZ2, PZ3
  • Slotted : SL 4.0mm, SL 6.0mm, SL 8.0mm
  • Hex mm : H2, H2.5, H3, H4, H5, H6, H8, H10
  • Hex Inch : H 3/32, H 7/64, H 1/8, H 9/64, H 5/32, H 3/16, H 7/32, H 1/4, H 5/16, H 3/8
  • Torx (Star 6pt) : T4, T5, T6, T7, T8, T9, T10, T15, T20, T25, T27, T30, T40
  • Robertson : S1, S2, S3
  • 1/4" Nut Driver : 1/4", 5/16", 3/8" with magnets
  • 1/4 x 1/4 Socket Adapter : SKT ADP
  • 1/4 x 3/8 Socket Adapter : SKT ADP
  • 1/4 x 1/2 Socket Adapter : SKT ADP
  • 1 Magnetizer
This is a nice well rounded set with nice selection of bits and sizes able to handle very small screws as well as larger fasteners in your car. The only unexpected thing is that this set does not include a magnetic holder for the bits. Also, the nut drivers are very shallow so good to hold hex heads, but not so good for use with nuts onto bolts if the bolt protrudes through the nut.
 

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This is really good stuff, Andy. Keep at it.
So.... am I correct in interpreting that comment above as your not having a high opinion of the Vessel "Impact Ball" stuff?
 

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This is really good stuff, Andy. Keep at it.
So.... am I correct in interpreting that comment above as your not having a high opinion of the Vessel "Impact Ball" stuff?
No no no .. I like the vessel ball stuff. It has limited variety compared to most of the other things I am listing but it has what I use most and even a few extra things.

I have at least two vessel sets at the house and have given away a few.

I also have individual packs of bits, such as

Dry wall bits


Impact ball


Neck torsion


A friend mentioned that he had never had a decent set of bits so I gave him one of these.



I like the couple of nut drivers and the socket adapters. I had some cheap socket adapters that created problems. Never had a problem with vessel.

Bits always fit well. These are pretty tough and I trust them to hold up.

This set allows the bits to be folded out on a way that matters if easy to grab the bits.

Even the slotted but are decent.

And since I am talking about vessel, look at the knurling on these megadore vessel drivers


I own three different sets of vessel. Fur five work those are my favorite vessel because of that knurling.

If I want to bang things a wee bit I go for these


And these if thinks will be messy and icky... Decent grip and they clean easily


But to bring it back again, the vessel set is great. If you don't need a larger variety, and you are ok with the cost, highly recommended. I like it enough I purchased one for a close friend
 
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One more comment on vessel.

I have never tried their precision bits, but I know they either have, or did have, a precision bit set.

I have liked every thing of theirs I have tried, or at least considered them quality.

I even considered one of their oddly shaped powered drivers; I think there are two primary models, one fast and one with higher torque, but that is without research.

My primary driver for screws is the smallest festool "drill" that has never driven a drill, is very old at this point, and had been very heavily used.

I considered one of the vessel types... Or one of those DeWalt handle twist automatic drivers.
 
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And since I am talking about vessel, look at the knurling on these megadore vessel drivers
With great trepidation, I gave my buddy a set of those blue-handled Megadora screwdrivers for Christmas.
He is seriously "old school" - He was still using those ****** black hard-handle Snap-ons. He loves the Vessels.
Only issue he had was with the "Jawsfit" units (Phillips) because they destroy screws - but I had anticipated that beforehand. (He works on a lot of computers.)
I had Bowers drop-ship a few of the Vessel "Ball Grip" Phillips drivers to him, which addressed that issue.

Yes, Vessel doesn't offer as comprehensive a line of "bits" as the others, but they seem to have held up fairly well, although to be honest about the only ones I use are the P2 bits. I just don't run into all kinds of screwy fasteners working on old lawnmowers.
 
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With great trepidation, I gave my buddy a set of those blue-handled Megadora screwdrivers for Christmas.
He is seriously "old school" - He was still using those ****** black hard-handle Snap-ons. He loves the Vessels.
Only issue he had was with the "Jawsfit" units (Phillips) because they destroy screws - but I had anticipated that beforehand. (He works on a lot of computers.)
I had Bowers drop-ship a few of the Vessel "Ball Grip" Phillips drivers to him, which addressed that issue.

Yes, Vessel doesn't offer as comprehensive a line of "bits" as the others, but they seem to have held up fairly well, although to be honest about the only ones I use are the P2 bits. I just don't run into all kinds of screwy fasteners working on old lawnmowers.
For computer stuff I usually grab my LTT ratcheting screwdriver :cool:
 
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In front of the very nice Vessel 4mm bit set is an adaptor from 1/4" hex to 4mm hex which is very useful to anyone who uses 4mm bits.
I have only seen that set available on eBay. I considered buying it because I knew the bits would likely be high quality.

Looks nice. looks like they are longer than in other sets, which would be helpful in some instances.
 
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After spending way more time than any mentally sound person should researching bit sets, I decided to build my own.

My first iteration is still my go-to on the job. It complements an expanded set of long bits.

That led to a more complete build, an all-in-one set that includes driving tools.
 
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After spending way more time than any mentally sound person should researching bit sets, I decided to build my own.

My first iteration is still my go-to on the job. It complements an expanded set of long bits:
View attachment 2322968

That led to a more complete build, an all-in-one set that includes driving tools:
View attachment 2322969
View attachment 2322970

—-150 pc. Custom Bit-Box Contents—-

Drivers:
Snap-on stubby ratcheting screwdriver
Gedore #676 bit handle
Wera #813 mini bit handle
Kobalt knurled stubby bit knob driver (blue)
1/4 hex fixed reversible bit ratchet
1/4 hex flex locking reversible bit ratchet w/t-handle option

Extensions:
2-1/4”, 3”, 4”, 5”
3/4”, 2-1/2” male hex to mag male hex
4mm bit extension

Adaptors:
3/8m to 1/4f socket adaptor
1/4m sq to 1/4m hex stubby adaptor
4mm mag hex to 1/4m hex bit adaptor
1/4 hex to threaded pick shaft adaptor

Threaded mini pick shafts:
0° Straight, 45° complex, 90° bend, curved hook

Hollow shaft SAE nut-drivers:
3/16, 1/4, 5/16, 11/32, 3/8, 7/16, 1/2

1/4 sq. drive MM sockets:
5.5, 6, 7

1/4 hex drive MM sockets:
8 (flips to 1/4”), 10, 12, 13, 14

4mm micro bits:
Torx: T1-T10
Slotted SAE: 1/16, 5/64, 3/32
Slotted MM: 1.0, 1.5, 2.0, 2.5, 3.0, 3.5
PH: 0, 00, 000

1/4 HEX BITS:
Reduced shaft 1-1/2” long bits:
PH2R, Slotted 3-4

Tamper-hex SAE:
1/16, 5/64, 3/32, 7/64, 1/8, 9/64, 5/32, 3/16, 7/32, 1/4, 5/16

Ball-hex SAE:
1/8, 5/32, 3/16, 7/32, 1/4

Hex MM:
1.5, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 10

Ball-hex MM:
2.5, 3, 4, 5, 6

Spanner:
4, 6, 8, 10

Slotted MM:
3, 4, 5, 6, 6.5, 7, 8

Slotted SAE:
0-1, 2-3, 4-5, 6-8, 8-10, 10-12, 12-14, 14-16

Phillips/crosspoint:
00, 0, 1, 2 (JCIS), 2 (reduced ACR), 3, 4

Pozidriv:
0, 1, 2, 3

Square:
0, 1, 2, 3

Torx:
T6-T50

Tamper Torx:
T7-T45

ECX:
1, 2

Valve core bit
Deburring bit
That is brilliant... Exactly the bits you want And the drivers you want. I saw the ECX bits :)
 

DekNgo

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After spending way more time than any mentally sound person should researching bit sets, I decided to build my own.

My first iteration is still my go-to on the job. It complements an expanded set of long bits:
View attachment 2322968

That led to a more complete build, an all-in-one set that includes driving tools:
Is that an MTM "boolit" box? If so, what size is it?
 

Max

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A bit about Tekton offerings as it relates to precision (4mm) Bits. First, just to establish the bit shapes because I am often saying (in my head) what was that one again?

Tekton_04_bit_shapes.jpg


There is an Everybit Tech Rescue Kit with 46 pieces and a nice case (https://www.tekton.com/everybit-tech-rescue-kit-28301) for under $30. These bits are all 4mm so they will not fit into your standard bit driver.

Tekton_01_tech_rescue_kit.jpg

  • 1-pc. aluminum screwdriver different than above.
  • 1-pc. ESD-safe tweezers
  • 1-pc. flexible metal spudger
  • 1-pc. nylon spudger/probe
  • 2 bit organizers (holds the bits)
  • 1 case that holds everything.
  • NUT DRIVER 3, 3.5, 4, 5, 6.5 mm (5 sizes) for 1/4" screw drive
  • HEX 1.3, 1.5, 2 mm (3 sizes)
  • TRIANGLE 18, 20, 23, 27 (4 sizes)
  • PENTALOBE 0.8, 1.2, 1.5 mm (3 sizes) – iPhone and MAC.
  • TRI-WING 0, 1 (2 sizes)
  • TAMPER RESIST STAR TR6, TR7, TR8, TR9, TR10, TR15 (6 sizes)
  • TAMPER RESIST STAR (long reach) TR6, TR8 (2 sizes) These are 3" long.
  • TORX (6-Star) T3, T4, T5 (3 sizes)
  • PHILLIPS #000, #00, #0, #1 (4 sizes)
  • PHILLIPS (long reach) #0, #1, #2 (3 sizes) These are 3" long.
  • SLOTTED 1, 1.5, 2.5 mm. (3 sizes)
This is a pretty decent set for what it is and the tools actually work. The large black “driver” for the bits has a nice movement but is a bit bulky. If you want a small kit with some OK bits, not a bad choice.

If you want a much smaller kit, the poorly named 27-Piece Everybit Precision Tool Kit with Case is available for about $13 (see https://www.tekton.com/everybit-precision-tool-kit-2830). I say poorly named because it has so few bits when compared to the Everybit Tech Rescue Kit mentioned above, which contains every bit contained in this kit. But this kit takes much less space. These bits are all 4mm so they will not fit into your standard bit driver. Don't like this one

Tekton_02_another_everybit_small.jpg

  • 1 Precision Screwdriver with a free-spinning endcap.
  • 1 Spudger for prying apart cases.
  • 2 bit organizers (holds the bits)
  • 1 case that holds everything.
  • NUT DRIVER 4, 5 mm (2 sizes)
  • PENTALOBE 0.8, 1.2 mm (2 sizes) – iPhone and MAC.
  • TRI-WING 0, 1 (2 sizes)
  • TAMPER RESIST STAR TR6, TR7, TR8, TR9, TR10, TR15 (6 sizes)
  • TORX (Star) T3, T4, T5 (3 sizes)
  • PHILLIPS #000, #00, #0, #1 (4 sizes)
  • SLOTTED 1, 1.5, 2.5 mm. (3 sizes)
The plastic driver handle on this set work but is horrible. Just so you know. So, this will work in a pinch but I would absolutely not want to use this long term… but it works in a pinch.

With all that said, if I only wanted the bits, would I buy either of these? Nope! I would buy their not available as I write this 97-piece 4mm precision bit set DBA93100 (see https://www.tekton.com/4-mm-shank-bit-driver-and-bit-set-with-case-97-piece-dba93100) for $50.

Tekton now packages sets of precision bits in these rails that you can buy for $5 each. This new set packages these all together in sets of 12 (for the 4mm bits). The following rails are included:

  • Phillips: P000, P00, P0, P1, P2(5 sizes) JIS and JCIS Compatible
  • Slotted: 0.8, 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 4 mm(7 sizes)

  • Y-Type: Y000, Y00, Y0, Y1, Y2(5 sizes) (this is not a tri-wing).
  • Pentalobe: PL1, PL2, PL3, PL4, PL5, PL6(6 sizes)
  • Standoff(1 size)

  • Tamper Hex (SAE): 5/64, 3/32, 7/64, 1/8, 9/64, 5/32 in.(6 sizes)
  • Tamper Hex (MM): 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4 mm(5 sizes)
  • Sim Ejector: 0.8 mm(1 size)

  • Hex (MM): 0.7, 0.9, 1.3, 1.5, 2, 2.5, 3, 3.5, 4 mm(9 sizes)
  • Pozidriv: PZ0, PZ1, PZ2(3

  • Hex (IN): 0.028 , 0.035, 0.050, 1/16, 5/64, 3/32, 7/64, 1/8, 9/64, 5/32 in.(10 sizes)
  • Triple Square: M3, M4

  • Tamper Star: TR6, TR7, TR8, TR9, TR10, TR15, TR20(7 sizes)
  • Triangle: TA14, TA18, TA20, TA23, TA27(5 sizes)

  • Star: T1, T2, T3, T4, T5, T6, T7, T8, T9, T10, T15, T20(12 sizes)

  • Square: S00, S0, S1, S2(4 sizes)
  • Spanner: 2.0, 2.6 mm(2 sizes)
  • Clutch: 3/32, 1/8 in.(2 sizes)
  • Tri-Wing: TW0, TW1
  • Line Head: LH-2, LH-3(2 sizes)
Tekton_03_big_set.jpg

I really like the rails and it is a great selection with a very well labeled easy to read setup. So, this is what I would get. if you drop a rail, you are still good to go, these bits stay in place. The only thing missing really is nut drivers and any extended length bits if needed; and sometimes you need them.
I have the tech repair kit as well. I agree it’s a good kit. However, I used mine to remove some screws on a hard disk drive and it twisted the bit. It’s quite likely that it was simply too much torque for a very small bit. Still, the same size bit torqued the screws in..

BTW, very nice reviews. :beer:
 
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Stubby1743

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I also use a MTM 22LR box for 1/4" hex bits but I also use a P-100-38 box for spare 5/16" hex bits.

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