sparky 1971
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I stand corrected.
Rewiring the kitchen
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sparky 1971
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Thanks. I just bought a brand spankin' new 2023 code book AND a 2023 Ugly's for $36 shipped. I'm gonna try to be gooder.
Sleep with it under yer pillow. You will be a betterer person.
Chuckster in NJ
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Ground position on countertop GFI receptacles up or down?
theoldwizard1
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First, understand the difference between "should" and "must" !
What I was saying is "best practice", not code.
dave*99
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20A or 15A
NO!! The way you appended your answer onto the prior statement indicates otherwise.
Reads as much more definitive than "could", even easily interpreted as "should/shall" or must.
Chuckster in NJ
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The NEC does not say “should or must"………. "SHALL" is the word.
BTW! "What if" is another common word used in code arguments……… And "what if" is not in any of the codes.
dave*99
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Do you consider this best practice?NO!! The way you appended your answer onto the prior statement indicates otherwise.
Reads as much more definitive than "could", even easily interpreted as "should/shall" or must.
"One should be to the left of the sink and one to the right of the sink."
sparky 1971
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Horizontal. Ground pin to the right. Unless it's to the left of the sink.
Ground left is usual around here (Chicago, home of the horizontal outlet), at least among electricians who pay attention. (I see lots of spaces where there's a couple outlets mounted the opposite way from the rest o them. I have so far resisted the urge to fix them.)
sparky 1971
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Ground left? What if it's to the right of the sink?
Chuckster in NJ
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It shall face the front of the house or north if the wall is parallel to the front.
sparky 1971
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****. I guess I didn't get as much accomplished today as I thought.
dave*99
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An electrical circle jerk?Everybody wins.....or 3 losers and nobody is sure who won.
Apparently, just dont be the green light surge suppressor indicator.
gahrajmahal
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I suggest the OP go to the Central Iowa permit office where he or his contractor will be requesting the electrical permit. They should tell him what they require for him to pass code.
During my sons two year fiasco building a 16ft addition to the rear of his house, I met with the inspector several times (since the general contractor or one of three electricians that worked on it couldn’t be bothered to be there). The inspector was very sympathetic and let us know how to fix all of their mistakes, pull the correct gauge wire, add GFCI’s, put nailers on the studs, install the correct breakers etc.
Many towns have good websites showing and describing how to correctly wire a room, bathroom, kitchen, garage etc. As a good reference I like the Home Depot 123 books.
During my sons two year fiasco building a 16ft addition to the rear of his house, I met with the inspector several times (since the general contractor or one of three electricians that worked on it couldn’t be bothered to be there). The inspector was very sympathetic and let us know how to fix all of their mistakes, pull the correct gauge wire, add GFCI’s, put nailers on the studs, install the correct breakers etc.
Many towns have good websites showing and describing how to correctly wire a room, bathroom, kitchen, garage etc. As a good reference I like the Home Depot 123 books.
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sparky 1971
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That says hospital grade. This thread is about kitchen wiring. If someone were to cover the green dot and the lettering and try to use it in a house would it still have to have GFCI or AFCI protection?Everybody wins.....
.........Ahhhhhh, that was a joke for solving the direction of ground. Since everyone had a direction: N, S, E, W, this was the peacemaker! I used the first pic found. HG and surge suppression was insignificant for my purpose. It would need the required protection specified based on location. Can't say I would want one of these in my home.
Here's a plain jane version........
sparky 1971
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I bet if the ground pins were to line up with the receptacle across from it you'd be all over it though. It makes me dizzy looking at the damned thing.
I have seen those in hospital rooms and high end office cubicle units. They solve the wall wort interference problem..........Ahhhhhh, that was a joke for solving the direction of ground. Since everyone had a direction: N, S, E, W, this was the peacemaker! I used the first pic found. HG and surge suppression was insignificant for my purpose. It would need the required protection specified based on location. Can't say I would want one of these in my home.
Here's a plain jane version........
theoldwizard1
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I worked on a "standards" committee. SHALL = MUST
I purposely used the the word SHOULD !
Hell no. Best practice is to provide receptacles powered so they don't trip breakers. If you have some idea how the kitchen is going to be used, you can distribute them appropriately. That might be "one circuit left side, the other right"; however, it might also be "this outlet on A, that one on B, rest doesn't matter" where you know that two high load appliances are going to get used at the same time. In the absence of specific use, interleaving them is better, but since that usually requires more wire it's not done that often.
The wrong way to do it is to put the GFCIs for both circuits in a two gang box, and then only use one circuit for the rest of the outlets. I lived in an apartment where it was done that way. The whole complex was like that, according to the property manager, who got lots of complaints about it.
dave*99
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Agreed, I have usually found interleaving to make good sense. In Kitchens and workshops too. I think meeting or exceeding code and applying some thought to the layout and usage are the best practice.