fattogatto
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Anyone found a suitable (that works) substitute for RoundUp?
RoundUp Substitute
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OldracerJones
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You can get Remedy on line but they all use the same chemicals. I simply don't believe the corrupt WHO, they ones that said Roundup was bad.
I don't believe in all the anti-Roundup hype either. To me, it's just another money grab by some ambulance-chasing type lawyers
Still using Roundup (glyphosate) and have no plans to change
Hopefully, they will lower the price now
Still using Roundup (glyphosate) and have no plans to change
Hopefully, they will lower the price now
BillK
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I actually tried the homebrew with vinegar, salt and dawn. It actually killed everything it touched. It wont keep it away like Roundup extended but it absolutely worked.
But, I did my bluestone driveway last week and used a product called RM43 I got at Tractor Supply. It is the same thing as Roundup Extended but less expensive. Supposed to last for up to a year so I guess I will find out next summer
I also do not believe the Roundup hype.
But, I did my bluestone driveway last week and used a product called RM43 I got at Tractor Supply. It is the same thing as Roundup Extended but less expensive. Supposed to last for up to a year so I guess I will find out next summer
I also do not believe the Roundup hype.
frank001
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Mustang1167
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Compare-N-Save Grass & Weed Killer Concentrate, 41% Glyphosate, 1 gal
I buy this on sale at Home Depot or tractor supply when the have it. Sale price is usually 19.99. It’s concentrated so it lasts me a while.
I buy this on sale at Home Depot or tractor supply when the have it. Sale price is usually 19.99. It’s concentrated so it lasts me a while.
SGKent
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I am sorry anyone gets cancer. My mother died of it a couple days after I turned 8. That was a longtime ago.
I have yet to believe minor exposure to roundup causes cancer. That was tested many many times over a 45 year life by many universities and never was there a problem. It wasn't until they started developing all the GMO crops that are roundup tolerant that this all started going on.
That said, there is always the same pattern to these cases. Claims are made after the chemical is off patent, the chemical is withdrawn, the company pays millions in claims compared to the billions it made while the chemical was under patent, the chemical companies that are making the generic all go under except one or two who sell to the 3rd world and make lots of money doing so, and a new patented chemical comes out in the USA so the original bad guy company can make billions more. The attorneys get rich and donate to a political fund that acts like they care except they pass laws that show they don't really care. That is why we have all these laws that are 10 - 20 years old that no one listens to because enforcement for them is never funded. Its like E-Waste in California. You can't throw it away and the state hasn't funded e-waste in years so all the people who took it stopped. You can't throw it in the trash because someone dies from the chemicals it makes when it leaches into the landfill and accidentally gets into a nearby creek because the landfill liner was perforated, so what do you do, fill your garage with it to collect black widow spiders? Did you know that the compost from your green waste is used to cover the landfills each day? You are told it is diverted but you pay to turn it into compost to be used as landfill cover. I see this roundup lawsuit in the same light.
Tractor Supply sells a 5 gallon glyphosphate at a really good price. Just follow the hazard precautions and you will be fine. In general don't spray anything unless there is no other choice. A sharp hoe works well for small weeds. We hit the back yard once a week to pull them. Commonly used 2,4D does cause bladder cancer in some dog breeds and the mechanism is not known yet so that is one chemical I would be VERY careful with (Weed and Feed for example). A derivative of 2,4D was Agent Orange in Vietnam. But you don't hear much about that.
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JRC3
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I use this. https://www.ruralking.com/imitator-plus-gly-41-1-gal
Just bought another gallon last week, the gallon before that lasted a few years. I mix 3-4oz/gallon, makes about 32 gallons of finished product for $19.
Just bought another gallon last week, the gallon before that lasted a few years. I mix 3-4oz/gallon, makes about 32 gallons of finished product for $19.
Generic Roundup. The main chemical is glyphosate:
Roundup is the brand name of a systemic, broad-spectrum glyphosate-based herbicide originally produced by Monsanto, which Bayer acquired in 2018. Glyphosate is the most widely used herbicide in the United States
What is the roundup lawsuit?
Man awarded $80M in lawsuit claiming Monsanto's Roundup causes cancer. ... According to the International Agency for Research on Cancer, a branch of the World Health Organization, glyphosate, a pesticide and herbicide best known as an ingredient in Roundup, is a probable human carcinogen.
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JRC3
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The opening post asked for a substitute...We talking substitute for cost or isopropylamine salt?
Yep, I don't drink it or spray when it's windy. I use common sense while handling the **** even with my occasional homeowner use.
Heck, you can get the 2.5 gallon for $35.
Yep, I don't drink it or spray when it's windy. I use common sense while handling the **** even with my occasional homeowner use.
Heck, you can get the 2.5 gallon for $35.
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greenskeeper
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herbicide - fungicide - insectide
that's the general order from lowest to highest risk to humans
Glyphosate is one of if not the safest chemicals out there.
that's the general order from lowest to highest risk to humans
Glyphosate is one of if not the safest chemicals out there.
LifeLongWNYer
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I use a product called "Prosecutor" which I at what used to be Lesco, then John Deere Landscapes, now called LandPro. I don't know what name they will be using next year, but nothing changes except the sign on the front of the building.
It is good stuff and works as well as Round Up, but is much less expensive.
When I was working as a consultant, I was at some well drilling yards in Louisiana and east Texas, they used a chemical called "Eraser", or something very similar, and it was very effective.
I can buy Prosecutor in NY without an applicators license, not sure on the status of Eraser.
It is good stuff and works as well as Round Up, but is much less expensive.
When I was working as a consultant, I was at some well drilling yards in Louisiana and east Texas, they used a chemical called "Eraser", or something very similar, and it was very effective.
I can buy Prosecutor in NY without an applicators license, not sure on the status of Eraser.
chaosracing
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Bingo. This is what I believe as well. With the GMO crops that are round up resistant, it allowed farmers to use stronger mixes of roundup to kill weeds off quicker. Ever see a field of weeds one day after being sprayed? I have, its already turning yellow and wilting by end of day if sprayed in the morning. Its sickening. The other adverse effect is now weeds are becoming resistant to round up as well, which requires stronger mixes to try and combat that.
Now the other part of the equation. Look at a bottle of round up concentrate, then look at a other brand bottle of concentrate. Mix ratios are nearly identical. However, Round Up is 18% glyphosate, the others....yeah, around 41% glyphosate. Yet all lawsuits advertised on tv are after Monsanto and Round Up.
chaosracing
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Unfortunately when mixing though, most people do not read instructions and use the round up solution of 6 oz per gallon of water when using the other brands (trust me, I know a few that do). Also, ever wonder why the other brands are "rain proof" in 2 hours and roundup is 12 hours? They all get around what else is in the products by claiming "other ingredients" wonder what that stuff is. Perhaps its not the glyphosate, but the other ingredients.
I buy Round Up brand. Tried other stuff before, but Round up works better in my opinion, and I even use a weaker solution of 2 oz per gallon.
rlitman
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There's SOME truth to that, but I wouldn't call it a hard and fast rule.
What I'd point out is that to date, there is NO substitute product that is proven to be even nearly as safe as Roundup. ANY substitute (even salt or vinegar) you use will be more toxic than Roundup. Yes, that includes burning weeds with a torch, and probably even pulling them.
No. Roundup concentrate is usually 41%, but more expensive 50% versions are on the market as well.
mrobins297aaa
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I use this Farmworks product from Tractor Supply, It's about $33 for 2 1/2 gallons.
I mix it at 2 oz per gallon, so it makes about 160 gallons of weed killer @ the cost of about .20 cents a gallon.
I only spray maybe once or twice a year and I'm real careful to keep the stuff off of me, so I'm not worried to much about it, I plan to keep using it.
I mix it at 2 oz per gallon, so it makes about 160 gallons of weed killer @ the cost of about .20 cents a gallon.
I only spray maybe once or twice a year and I'm real careful to keep the stuff off of me, so I'm not worried to much about it, I plan to keep using it.
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fourjeepin
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Here too. I bought a 2-1/2 gallon jug when they were clearancing it. It will probably last me a lifetime.
Bretny
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Prety much any alternative weed killing that you buy off the shelf is going to have the same active ingredient as round up. I use the stuff on poison ivy only. I use to have fields of poison ivy.
My 400ft gravel driveway with a turn around and 4 car parking gets weed burned. I use less than 30lbs of propane a year. Thats about $15 in propane.
My 400ft gravel driveway with a turn around and 4 car parking gets weed burned. I use less than 30lbs of propane a year. Thats about $15 in propane.
fsae0607
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This works, too. It'll make your area stink like vinegar, though.
tonyciambrone
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I tried vinegar salt dawn and it did not work for me at all. I use any generic 41% glyphosate and Imazapyr at my property.
No comment on Cancer Risks
No comment on Cancer Risks
ZRX61
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That's because insecticides were developed from military grade nerve agents. Fly spray is basically BN nerve agent. But we aren't talking VX levels of lethality.
kngelv
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In a thread filled with many dumb comments about glysophate this just might be the dumbest. Which is saying quite a lot with the conspiracy comments earlier. What's next? Moon landings and JFK?
James
kaymccampbell
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I used the RM stuff from TSC. Gotta be very sparing with it. And very accurate. And, have more than 3 dry days after you spray it. I was all of these things and the stuff left quite a swath of death. And, the rain, 3 days later, spread the stuff a bit further than I wanted. I'm sure the crabgrass will recover just fine next spring.
DC73
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Extended control herbicides using Imazapyr or Imazapic have been linked to severe damage of trees and shrubs when applied to nearby weeds. These compounds are water soluble and persist in the soil.
I've switched to Spectracide Weed & Grass Killer w/Extended Control. Works like Roundup on weeds but doesn't contain either of the above mentioned chemicals.
DC
rlitman
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Try backing that up with facts. You can’t. I can stand by my words with the hard science. But I guess you can choose whatever quack theory you want to believe.
SGKent
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not to be mean but imagine if tomorrow the TV was filled with ads to call 1-800-dial a claim if you or anyone you know got sick sometime in their life, and they have eaten peanut butter during their life, & that the peanut butter manufacturers have set aside 40 billion dollars US for claims. Call now before it is all gone.
One jury who agrees is all it takes.
kngelv
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/weed-whacking-herbicide-p/
Roundup is not pure glysophate.
James
PugetDude
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The WHO has probably killed more people than Roundup ever will.
SGKent
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The original Roundup was only glysophate. When the patent ran out they started adding things to get new patents. I don't use roundup since the original product changed about 2001 probably because generic glysophate is 1/5 the cost or less. The newer versions do have chemicals in them that are more toxic to mammals. OMG, the dial a claim numbers don't mention that.
rlitman
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ezover
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I need to try this, I spray mine with killz all, round up, 3 or 4 times a year. not sure if the weeds and grass are coming from underneath or just getting a foot hold from the lawn mowing.
Bretny
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I really want to make a propanr ribbon burner a few feet wide for next summer. Doing a whole driveway can really take time with the hand operated ones.
mreisner
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The 2 it contains are worse in my book. Diquat is nasty stuff, same family as Paraquat.
I spray an average of 500 gallons of 51% gly. Every year. A product called Envy 6 Max. It has both salt formulations of glyphosate and surfactants in it. Usualy takes 7 days to show activity on plants. Any field showing activity on a weed within hours is not showing gly. action. A tank mix with 2,4,d or dicamba will show some curling of weeds with 24 hours do to the broadleaves being affected by the synthetic auxin herbicides. The most noticable activity is caused by the surfactant activity drying out one side of the plant at first. A field that is brown in 24 hours or so has had paraquat or diquat used on it, both work fast and are very, very corrosive. They basically blow the plant cell walls apart, but do not move systemically in the plant so things like grass etc. Do grow back from the root mass. One product called Sharpen does make glyphosate work faster and also kills broadleaves, but at $700 a gallon not many other than pros will be using it. That is my 25 years of being a licensed applicator 2 cents worth.
mreisner
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P.s. if one follows the guidelines gly. is safe. Using proper clothing is the number one thing to do. Castrating all trial lawyers is a good second step.
kngelv
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People like to complain about lawyers - until they need one. As if the chemical companies are some sort of benevolent corporate overlord that only give us safe chemicals like DDT and Agent Orange, and places like Love Canal. There are currently 1865 contaminated Superfund sites across the country listed on the EPA website with one being across the street from my old house. Some are now in cleanup status and some are just being monitored. Stop listening to idiots on talk radio who whip up everyone in outrage over, lawyers, guns, immigration etc etc. while the big shots rob the rest of us.
James
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PugetDude
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Farmall450
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You're not going to replace Glyphosate. Love having people ask for Groundclear or crop smart as an alternative to RU. It's perfectly safe for your homeowner uses.
mikehaugen
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I use Pronto Big n Tuff, 41% gly iirc. Do my 2 gravel driveways probably twice a year. It works, though a little slower than some ag Roundup I got from a buddy a few years ago, I'm not sure which variety it was but it worked fast... byt need license to buy it. For $20 or so per gallon, I'm okay with it taking a day or 2 longer.
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