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I have a high school aged kid that’s going to be helping me part time on taking apart and scrapping some small equipment and pickups. All the work is going to be done outside in the elements and I’m not lending my good tools to the cause. I want a 1/2 impact, grinder, and possibly sawzall. In the end, if it works out, I’ll probably give the tools to the kid.

The two choices I’m looking at are Harbor Freight and Ryobi. Any reason to choose one over the other for longevity or warranty reasons? I’m thinking the prices will be ballpark and I don’t want my M18 tools commingled with these so that’s part of the reason for the change.
 
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Great question and one I've had to make a choice on recently for a friend.

Ryobi's warranty on tools/battery's is 3 years.

Hercules (HFT) are 5 years on the brushless tool and 3 years on the battery.

Ryobi has a huge lineup of tools in the One+ system (18v) of around 300+. Hercules has about 50ish tools, but recently at SEMA, they announced a ton more in the lineup.

Pricing is comparable between the two, but HFT runs more sales. What swayed me to Hercules is build quality and ease of warranty. My experience at HD vs HFT is night and day and this was proved recently. I had to replace my 1/2 mid-torque Hercules because the trigger wasn't working correctly (it was clicking) after about a year. They replaced it, no questions asked after looking it up in the database since I'm a ITC member. I was in/out of the store in about 5 minutes.

About 6 months ago I bought a 100-ft hose from HD. I got it home and used it the next day. It leaked at the hose crimp on one end. I took it back to HD, receipt in hand and it took about 30 minutes for them to find someone that could authorize the return/exchange. The exchanged unit appeared to have been run over (I could see dirty tire marks on it) so I asked for a different one. I was told to bring it back if it leaked or was damaged...no offer to get another one. I pressed them a little more and they told me they didn't have anymore in stock and I'd have to pay the difference for another brand. I told them to order another one and to call me when it arrives. I never got a phone call, but the run over hose worked just fine. Just an example of why I hate going to HD like so many others on this forum do as well.

If your looking for a 1/2" impact, grinder and receip saw, I would go Hercules over Ryobi. They battery's have a longer warranty and are cheaper then Ryobi. Depending on where you live, you might have several HFT's closer to you then HD if you ever need to warranty to something out. Also, I feel like all the Hercules have a better build / material quality then Ryobi. I wouldn't have felt that way 4-5 years ago. Ryobi's draw is a MUCH larger tool ecosystem and generally speaking, TTI makes a reliable product.

My 2 cents.
 
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Not impacts or grinders, but I have some other Ryobi one stuff that I think is a little on the flimsy side

I do have a couple of Hercules cordless impacts that to me seem very solid so that’s my suggestion
 

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I have had excellent success with Ryobi tools, and their moving many to brushless.

My son got his first set at a garage sale, something that probably has a lot lower chance with HF.

HD has closeouts on Ryobi tools quite often, I am not sure I have bought any at at full retail.
 
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Thanks for the input, I’m going to watch for a Hercules sale.

Safety is always first with these tools. Safety glasses and grinder guards are never taken off. Along with cleaning up my backlog of projects, this is supposed to be a learning experience.
 

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Harbor Freight has yet to prove they will support a battery platform long term


Ryobi is the complete opposite- longest supported battery platform

Performance wise, it's a wash, all the brands are putting out decent quality
The downside is that Ryobi is still stuck with the rather dated stem type battery layout, something most abandoned a decade ago, rather than the now dominant compact slider.
 

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Harbor Freight has yet to prove they will support a battery platform long term


Ryobi is the complete opposite- longest supported battery platform

Performance wise, it's a wash, all the brands are putting out decent quality
What exactly is long term? To me on a cordless tool that's five years. HF just introduced a **** load of new Hercules tools at SEMA so for at least the next five years I think they are a safe bet. I'd be more concerned with Makita killing off their 18V line.
 

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What exactly is long term? To me on a cordless tool that's five years. HF just introduced a **** load of new Hercules tools at SEMA so for at least the next five years I think they are a safe bet. I'd be more concerned with Makita killing off their 18V line.

I would be pretty pissed if Milwaukee had changed the M18 battery style in 2013.... exactly 5 yrs after they introduced it

I have gen1 M12 and M18 tools that still get reg use. I would hate to not have them supported


Nothing in HF battery history has been for sure.

Personally I would love to see HF get serious about battery tools, it would ruin some mfg game plans.
 

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Thanks for the input, I’m going to watch for a Hercules sale.
Not to complicate or confuse, but you also might want to check into the FLEX power tool line @ Lowes.

There is a huge backstory to them (that deserves its own thread at this point), but they have crazy deals popping up from now until years end for the 3 tools you have mentioned. The parent company is Chervon (not Chevron) who also make SKIL, Kobalt and Ego tools. It hasn’t been confirmed yet, but it appears that both FLEX and SKIL are leaving Lowes to become “online only” brands in 2026. That said, the FLEX stuff is top quality product for bargain prices with a “lifetime” warranty if you register them. Again, take that with a grain of salt if FLEX leaves the market. At best the process for warranty would probably be a pain but it might still exist. I would compare my FLEX stuff to my Makita XGT in terms of quality and power, but not refinement.

Food for thought, and I’m not trying to muddy the waters.
 

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I've got cordless tools from Makita, Dewalt, Ryobi, Hercules and Bauer.



TLDR
Ryobi is a good budget option. Decent cordless tools and a huge range that few other brands can match.

Bauer is a solid budget brand, often cheaper than Ryobi but I feel pretty comparable in quality and the range of tools, although Ryobi does have an even larger selection of tools available. Bauer's batteries are a big advantage being both inexpensive and offering some large capacity 8 and 12ah batteries. Avoid the 1.5ah batteries. Frequent HF sales can make Bauer very affordable, and they are not junk tools.

Hercules a theoretically a notch above Bauer. There is a smaller range of tools available, but Hercules does have some things Bauer doesn't. Batteries are also quite affordable.



The long version

I'm still largely a corded tools guy, for a long time the Makita drill / driver was my only exploration of cordless. A cordless drill is just too useful to be without.
I've also got a Dewalt drill driver set from 2017-ish, its ok, but the battery life falls well short of my older Makita.
I had some Dewalt cordless tool at work, probably 2010 era tools. I wasn't impressed at all, but 15 years is a long time the current gen may be better. I like Dewalt corded tools, but my experience with their cordless has turned me off of them.


I got a Ryobi cordless hedge trimmer in 2012-13, and I've mostly stuck to their garden tools. Until recently Ryobi accounted for the bulk of my cordless tools. I've got a hedge trimmer, chainsaw, weedwacker, a caulking gun (bought as a joke, but I love it), and a ratchet. Everything works as it should, and in that 13-14 years I think I've only had one battery stop working.


About 2 years ago I bought a Bauer drill / driver set (brushed) that came with 1.5ah batteries. It was on sale very cheap, $39.99 for the set (drill / driver, 2 batteries and a charger) as I recall. I have used Makita for years, but wanted a second drill / driver set to keep in the house for small spur of the moment use, and something other family members can use if needed. The tools I keep in the house have a tendency to not get put back where they were found.

My initial impression was it was a cheap drill / driver set, not great but it did the job. Well HF started doing these buy a battery, get a free tool (or the reverse). They batteries in these deals were the larger 3ah or 5ah. With these larger batteries the cheap drill / driver became significantly better. Still no Makita, but they did all I asked of them, and for a $20 tool much better than I expected.

With the frequent deals HF was doing there for a spell I've added a brushless drill / driver set, 7-1/4" circular saw, angle drill, 1/2" impact driver, jigsaw, 3" cut off tool, hot glue gun, two different inflators and a 3 gallon shopvac. Bauer has become my primary cordless tool brand.

I used the Bauer brushless drill with a 6" hole saw and the jig saw to install a bathroom fan last year. I was quite impressed, no lack of power.

I've only bought a few cordless Hercules tools, just things not available from Bauer. I have the cordless portaband, and a 1/2 gallon handheld shopvac.


The Bauer tools are solid DIY / homeowner tools, and I'd even say could be a good tool platform for somebody professionally doing light construction like a handyman. Decent tools and a very good selection.
The brushless drill / driver is worth the extra cost, but for maximum affordability the brushed drill / driver is not bad. With the 1.5ah batteries it is like using a cordless 12v drill from the 90s.

Don't bother with the 1.5ah batteries if you can help it, as most of the tools have a noticeable decrease in performance with them.
Personally I think the 5ah battery offers the best option for performance and cost. HF frequently puts the 2 pack of 5ah batteries on sale for $99 which brings the per battery price below the regular price for the 3ah batteries ($59).
The batteries is one of the big advantages to Bauer. By cost the beat almost everybody. You can find 2 packs of Ryobi 4ah batteries on sale for $99, so close to the 5ah 2 packs. Bauer offers batteries from 1.5ah to 12ah, Ryobi only has 2,4,and 6ah batteries.
Most Bauer tools only have a 90 day warranty, but warranties are not free and that is a big part of how they keep the price down on Bauer. You can buy an extended 2 year warranty, but that starts getting you into Hercules pricing. Bauer has a broader range of tools compared to Hercules, but Hercules also has some tools unique to it.

I've got less experience with Hercules, but they have been good. Probably better than Bauer, but since my Hercules purchases were for tools that are not offered in Bauer I have no 1-1 comparison. Like Bauer HF frequently offers battery deals on the Hercules batteries. I got the portaband in a tool / battery deal for the non-sale price of the battery.
Hercules batteries are only a little more than Bauer so still pretty cheap compared to many brands. They offer 2ah to 12ah, and again the 5ah seems to be the bargain point as the 2 pack goes on sale for (I think) $109.
 
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For me, I have an inherent distrust in house-brands as retailers like Lowe's/HD/Ace/Whatever are fickle. I believed Sears had a good thing with C3 and invested, only to get burned. So Kobalt/etc. don't exist as far as I'm concerned.

My net answer is Hercules. I think the average Hercules brushless tool is better than its closest Ryobi equivalent, has a better warranty and likely has as much or more family/platform longevity as Ryobi.

The longer form is I've always thought of HF's brands like Kobalt - however good they were I wasn't going to invest. But over time they've proved with their portfolio buildout and the 5/3 warranty on the brushless tools that they're not thinking short-term. I think it would take a Sears-grade meltdown for them to screw it up, and as a more focused company than Sears and being privately owned, I don't see that happening.

So despite my hatred for more than a couple battery charging platforms (was Ego and Milwaukee M18/M12 before), I took advantage of a great sale and got two tools I just couldn't justify spending Milwaukee money on but wanted brushless performance: a jigsaw and a RO sander. I have $150 in those two tools, a 5Ah battery and a charger, they've done great over a couple projects - 100% happy with performance and usability of both tools. I would have been happy to save the Milesukrr money on a couple others - 1/4" router for example - that I use infrequently.

Ryobi is great in terms of the longevity of their battery platform, but they're more of a value platform vs. performance and the form factor of their battery can be truly unfortunate in terms of handling/etc. And the minute HF decides they want something different, Ryobi is probably dead.

Great question and one I've had to make a choice on recently for a friend.

Ryobi's warranty on tools/battery's is 3 years.

Hercules (HFT) are 3 years on the brushless tool and 5 years on the battery.

Ryobi has a huge lineup of tools in the One+ system (18v) of around 300+. Hercules has about 50ish tools, but recently at SEMA, they announced a ton more in the lineup.

Pricing is comparable between the two, but HFT runs more sales. What swayed me to Hercules is build quality and ease of warranty. My experience at HD vs HFT is night and day and this was proved recently. I had to replace my 1/2 mid-torque Hercules because the trigger wasn't working correctly (it was clicking) after about a year. They replaced it, no questions asked after looking it up in the database since I'm a ITC member. I was in/out of the store in about 5 minutes.

About 6 months ago I bought a 100-ft hose from HD. I got it home and used it the next day. It leaked at the hose crimp on one end. I took it back to HD, receipt in hand and it took about 30 minutes for them to find someone that could authorize the return/exchange. The exchanged unit appeared to have been run over (I could see dirty tire marks on it) so I asked for a different one. I was told to bring it back if it leaked or was damaged...no offer to get another one. I pressed them a little more and they told me they didn't have anymore in stock and I'd have to pay the difference for another brand. I told them to order another one and to call me when it arrives. I never got a phone call, but the run over hose worked just fine. Just an example of why I hate going to HD like so many others on this forum do as well.

If your looking for a 1/2" impact, grinder and receip saw, I would go Hercules over Ryobi. They battery's have a longer warranty and are cheaper then Ryobi. Depending on where you live, you might have several HFT's closer to you then HD if you ever need to warranty to something out. Also, I feel like all the Hercules have a better build / material quality then Ryobi. I wouldn't have felt that way 4-5 years ago. Ryobi's draw is a MUCH larger tool ecosystem and generally speaking, TTI makes a reliable product.

My 2 cents.
What a great and thoughtful response. Seriously - kudos
I would equate Ryobi to Bauer and a step below Hercules.
I agree. The Hercules battery stuff seems pretty darn nice as a whole.
 
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What exactly is long term? To me on a cordless tool that's five years. HF just introduced a **** load of new Hercules tools at SEMA so for at least the next five years I think they are a safe bet. I'd be more concerned with Makita killing off their 18V line.
Long term is you can use the newest Ryobi 18V battery on the oldest 18 tool, and vice versa.
Its not how long each tool or battery lasts, it when does the "company/ecosystem" screw you!
 

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Been a Ryobi user since the 12V series.
They no longer support the 12 volt line nor offer batteries. I get em from Chiner.
If u have an issue w/i a couple weeks of purchase, Ive had no problem returning to HD.
Problem after the fact, I’m on my own here as there is no local support. Thats happened a couple times. Fortunately Im pretty good at diagnosing & fixing. Aftermarket batteries for both the 40V & 18V series are affordable off Amazon.
Multiple times I’ve returned tools that dont cut it for performance or design. Not been an issue.
I must have 25 Ryobies.
 

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For me, I have an inherent distrust in house-brands as retailers like Lowe's/HD/Ace/Whatever are fickle. I believed Sears had a good thing with C3 and invested, only to get burned. So Kobalt/etc. don't exist as far as I'm concerned.

My net answer is Hercules. I think the average Hercules brushless tool is better than its closest Ryobi equivalent, has a better warranty and likely has as much or more family/platform longevity as Ryobi.

The longer form is I've always thought of HF's brands like Kobalt - however good they were I wasn't going to invest. But over time they've proved with their portfolio buildout and the 5/3 warranty on the brushless tools that they're not thinking short-term. I think it would take a Sears-grade meltdown for them to screw it up, and as a more focused company than Sears and being privately owned, I don't see that happening.

So despite my hatred for more than a couple battery charging platforms (was Ego and Milwaukee M18/M12 before), I took advantage of a great sale and got two tools I just couldn't justify spending Milwaukee money on but wanted brushless performance: a jigsaw and a RO sander. I have $150 in those two tools, a 5Ah battery and a charger, they've done great over a couple projects - 100% happy with performance and usability of both tools. I would have been happy to save the Milesukrr money on a couple others - 1/4" router for example - that I use infrequently.

Ryobi is great in terms of the longevity of their battery platform, but they're more of a value platform vs. performance and the form factor of their battery can be truly unfortunate in terms of handling/etc. And the minute HF decides they want something different, Ryobi is probably dead.


What a great and thoughtful response. Seriously - kudos

I agree. The Hercules battery stuff seems pretty darn nice as a whole.

I'm not too worried about HF pulling the rug out from under Bauer / Hercules. The older brands sure, but they have invested pretty significantly in these two brands. I think with Bauer they are aiming directly at Ryobi and the various house brands (Craftsman, Porter Cable, Kobalt, Rigid etc), and I think they have done that.

While I'm sure they would like people think of Hercules as equal to Milwaukee, and Makita, I do think Hercules sits in a good mid-range spot with tools that are usually better than than the house brands, but still cost significantly less than the top brands.
 

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I do think Hercules sits in a good mid-range spot
THIS.

Agreed 100%.

HFT / Hercules has a sweet spot right now with that tool ecosystem and if they continue to add tools to the line, they will become a much bigger player with the current price point.
 

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I have a few of the Hercules tools that I use at home and at work as a mechanic. The only bad one that I have not been happy with and returned was the 3/8" drive compact impact wrench. It just didn't have much power.
The drill, the 1/4" hex impact driver, the angle grinder, and heat gun all work great for me. The 1/2" ultra torque is a beast and hasn't been defeated by a fastener yet.

There are a few other guys in my shop that use Ryobi stuff and they all seem to be happy with them as well.
 

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The only bad one that I have not been happy with and returned was the 3/8" drive compact impact wrench. It just didn't have much power.

I agree. This is my only Hercules tool that broke on me in several years of owning Hercules stuff. I was able to quickly get a replacement, but I doubt the published specs on this one, it’s underwhelming, but it’s also compact.

I agree about your thoughts on the big boy ultra torque:

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I agree. This is my only Hercules tool that broke on me in several years of owning Hercules stuff. I was able to quickly get a replacement, but I doubt the published specs on this one, it’s underwhelming, but it’s also compact.

I agree about your thoughts on the big boy ultra torque:

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This looks nice, but I paid less than $190 (HF tool-only price) for the 1/2 RP Craftsman (which torque test channel tested and found to spank the full size DeWalt and Milwaukee 1/2 high torques) with a bag, 5.0 battery, and charger.

Yes, I bought 3 of them (each vehicle) :D

I think they're CMCF940M1 kits.
 

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I agree. This is my only Hercules tool that broke on me in several years of owning Hercules stuff. I was able to quickly get a replacement, but I doubt the published specs on this one, it’s underwhelming, but it’s also compact.

I agree about your thoughts on the big boy ultra torque:

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I have this one.

Just use it to barely put on lug nuts, hit them with a torque wrench and they are already tight enough.
 

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I have Ryobi and they work just fine. The battery form factor has not been an issue, either. I bought Ryobi because it's one battery for everything I need. The bright green color is a little much, but it's easy to find the tools. People have a ***** for Dewalt and Milwaukee, not so much for the Limeade-colored Ryobi, so no one is gonna steal my tools, either! Ha!
With Harbor Freight, I'm just not sure they will keep the same batteries for long-term, like 10 or more years. If I wore out stuff every 5 years, it wouldn't matter. But my stuff lasts longer, so I want to be able to buy more tools and batteries a decade from now.
 

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I have Ryobi and they work just fine. The battery form factor has not been an issue, either. I bought Ryobi because it's one battery for everything I need. The bright green color is a little much, but it's easy to find the tools. People have a ***** for Dewalt and Milwaukee, not so much for the Limeade-colored Ryobi, so no one is gonna steal my tools, either! Ha!
With Harbor Freight, I'm just not sure they will keep the same batteries for long-term, like 10 or more years. If I wore out stuff every 5 years, it wouldn't matter. But my stuff lasts longer, so I want to be able to buy more tools and batteries a decade from now.
I joke with workers around the house that I use Ryobi so they won't steal my tools.
 

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Yeah but Craftsman cordless ***** at everything else
Says who? people that have actually used them?

I had a 19.2V 1/2 impact **** - after almost 15 years. The hex impact, drill, original Lion batteries and chargers (purchased in the same time frame), still work fine. I think it might have just needed a new armature brush, but I just started jumping ship for the Hercules stuff.
 

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I still have plenty of blue tools that work just fine with the new batteries.
Me too. I have about 10 of the blue Ryobi tools and probably 20+ of the radioactive green ones. They all work great with the newer 18v batteries. I have about couple of 40v garden tools as well, the lawn mower is fantastic for my small yard.
 

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I still have plenty of blue tools that work just fine with the new batteries.
My blue tools impact/drill got a boost in performance when the old nicads were dumped and rejuvenated with new lithium batteries
 
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