JCQuick
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oooh ouch lol
Salt Life Hideout
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rival904
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Saw the title and had to drop in since IM born and raised Jax Beach, and work only a few blocks down from the restaurant 
JCQuick
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Hey Army VW I have that same Bosch cabinet,
I got mine back when i worked for a Bosch WD and it was promotion, we had a few left over.Hey wingnut wheres the update
I know you still need a home for that Marino Jersey Wow, I didn't realize that I hadn't updated this in a while. I'll hold the reveal till the end!
JC, as this project winds down, the Bus is starting back up again. I've got a couple weeks to hit it hard to see what parts I need to pick up at the Bulli Brigade and Bug Jam next month.
diggler306, that is a nice split that your FIL has. Glad to heear it is still running well, even with the upgraded flat screen.
Hephaestus29 you have a good eye for some creative shelves. These actually are in Red Leader's 1950s Craftsman Garage out in Colorado. I was priveledged to be able to spend a couple hours visiting when on vacation. Click the name and it will take you to his build where he details how he built these cabinets.
ArmyVW_GuyInTX Nice double cab! A very nice gift from someone special. I'd keep both of them! As for our cabinets, it has been whatever I had available at the time. Keep your Bosch and use it. Many here would love to have some vintage tin like that.
IGO2XS I hope to be able to update this thread with more of the build process. My girls have been helpful in the entertainment center project and now want to help on the Bus. Can't turn down an offer like that! After all, I gotta get the bus out so I can buy a C2 from you when you start your production line!
Red Leader, so, when do you want to head this way to get out of your snow and sleet! And this is only October!
rival904, I've been to the Salt Life Restaurant about a week before their store opened. I've got to get back and spend some time on the beach. I've got a project going up on San Pablo, so it's not too far away!
And as JCQuick keeps requesting, here is a progress shot, before the fireplace was installed. Marino will be going up on the right side.
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JC, as this project winds down, the Bus is starting back up again. I've got a couple weeks to hit it hard to see what parts I need to pick up at the Bulli Brigade and Bug Jam next month.
diggler306, that is a nice split that your FIL has. Glad to heear it is still running well, even with the upgraded flat screen.
Hephaestus29 you have a good eye for some creative shelves. These actually are in Red Leader's 1950s Craftsman Garage out in Colorado. I was priveledged to be able to spend a couple hours visiting when on vacation. Click the name and it will take you to his build where he details how he built these cabinets.
ArmyVW_GuyInTX Nice double cab! A very nice gift from someone special. I'd keep both of them! As for our cabinets, it has been whatever I had available at the time. Keep your Bosch and use it. Many here would love to have some vintage tin like that.
IGO2XS I hope to be able to update this thread with more of the build process. My girls have been helpful in the entertainment center project and now want to help on the Bus. Can't turn down an offer like that! After all, I gotta get the bus out so I can buy a C2 from you when you start your production line!
Red Leader, so, when do you want to head this way to get out of your snow and sleet! And this is only October!
rival904, I've been to the Salt Life Restaurant about a week before their store opened. I've got to get back and spend some time on the beach. I've got a project going up on San Pablo, so it's not too far away!
And as JCQuick keeps requesting, here is a progress shot, before the fireplace was installed. Marino will be going up on the right side.
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JCQuick
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wow that looks great
akdiesel
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Wingnut65
Nice word work. I like the effect the lighting gives off.
Nice word work. I like the effect the lighting gives off.
Red Leader
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Man, I am ready right now. Most of the lows are running in the 20s (F) now at night. Its either go to Florida or find a shop heater, dang it!
Entertainment center looks awesome. It was also cool to see all the in-process shots.
Dave, If you come now, bring a heater along... Tomorrow morning will be down to about 39 in the morning, with a high of 57. Kinda cool for a Thanksgiving Day in Florida!
In general, we have been still been in shorts and t-shirt weather. You are more than welcome to come, but I think buying a heater would be cheaper, especially with the Black Friday Sales.
You made me go back and see what I had posted for the progress on the entertainment center. Now I need to go back and update the To-Do list. I also need to fill in the missing details of the build project. Still need to install the travertine on the fireplace surround and hang the pictures up top, then we can stamp it 'Done'.
Thanks for waking me up!
In general, we have been still been in shorts and t-shirt weather. You are more than welcome to come, but I think buying a heater would be cheaper, especially with the Black Friday Sales.
You made me go back and see what I had posted for the progress on the entertainment center. Now I need to go back and update the To-Do list. I also need to fill in the missing details of the build project. Still need to install the travertine on the fireplace surround and hang the pictures up top, then we can stamp it 'Done'.
Thanks for waking me up!
Red Leader
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No problem.
You got me thinking of a 'to do' list. I never really make to do lists.
My 'to do' list is when I trip over something in the garage, or look at something that has been sitting around for years (aka band saw) and let out a huge sigh. There is my to-do list
You got me thinking of a 'to do' list. I never really make to do lists.
My 'to do' list is when I trip over something in the garage, or look at something that has been sitting around for years (aka band saw) and let out a huge sigh. There is my to-do list
Red Leader
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Hmmm! I wonder if you might be referencing that 60s Craftsman RAS with enclosed base that I vaguely remember seeing pictures of?
If so, no sweat. I fit one of those (including the base) in a Honda Civic 2 door. You're gtg
p.s. just remember to lock the head or take the saw blade off, especially for stop and go traffic. Ask me how I know.
Actually, one of my scarier memories was driving home with the Red Star radial arm saw. There were a lot of parts, so the sheet metal base and saw base/arm took up most of the room in the back. I didn't have an arbor wrench to take the blade off, and so I was sitting next to a huge 14" blade attached to a 50lb motor, just sitting next to me in the passenger seat.
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pitterpat
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Wingnut65, I just finished reading your thread over the last week. Great job and good work trying to stay at it with a family. I know how hard it is and I am single.
Heading down to your neck of the woods tomorrow (Tuesday), my mom lives in Wesley Chapel and I am coming down for Xmas through Sunday.
What a coincidence; I have a 73 Beetle that I have had since 1978 and up to about 18 months ago I drove it about once a week. Now it sits in my driveway while I do my projects in the house.
I am updating some electrical in my kitchen and will finish up when I get back from FL. I have a 2 car gar attached by a breezeway and had to run wire across the breezeway from the furthest part of the gar away from the house, down a chase to the basement then back up to the kitchen. When that is done I will updating the plumbing in the house to pex from galvanized pipe. After plumbing is the shower in the bathroom.
After all that is done I will have time to play with the VWs. Yes, I have another Super Beetle that I inherited from my dad when he died that I am going to restore. I have a 16 x 22 garage at the back of my property that is supposed to be the VW garage but I have been busy with inside the house stuff (I bought this house from the original owner, it is 57 yrs old and just needs updating).
Sorry to hijack your thread. Good work and good job getting your daughters interested in your projects. Here's to hoping the weather is good while I am down there.
Heading down to your neck of the woods tomorrow (Tuesday), my mom lives in Wesley Chapel and I am coming down for Xmas through Sunday.
What a coincidence; I have a 73 Beetle that I have had since 1978 and up to about 18 months ago I drove it about once a week. Now it sits in my driveway while I do my projects in the house.
I am updating some electrical in my kitchen and will finish up when I get back from FL. I have a 2 car gar attached by a breezeway and had to run wire across the breezeway from the furthest part of the gar away from the house, down a chase to the basement then back up to the kitchen. When that is done I will updating the plumbing in the house to pex from galvanized pipe. After plumbing is the shower in the bathroom.
After all that is done I will have time to play with the VWs. Yes, I have another Super Beetle that I inherited from my dad when he died that I am going to restore. I have a 16 x 22 garage at the back of my property that is supposed to be the VW garage but I have been busy with inside the house stuff (I bought this house from the original owner, it is 57 yrs old and just needs updating).
Sorry to hijack your thread. Good work and good job getting your daughters interested in your projects. Here's to hoping the weather is good while I am down there.
flybefree
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Jeff, Great work on the entertainment center, looks great! Merry Christmas to you.
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pitterpat Thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule to catch up on the progress in the Hideout. I hope some of the ideas might be useful on your garage project(s). I'm sure having one VW shop and a 2-car will be very helpful keeping projects organized.
You will find our weather this week a little more comfortable than you left back home. Although I might need to dig out a sweatshirt for tomorrow. And, we are not too far from Wesley Chapel.
Get the important projects caught up and then on to the VW projects. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel for me to be finished with our entertainment center project. I just hope the light isn't a delivery truck coming with more work to do.
Thanks for stopping by. I hope you enjoy a wonderful Florida Christmas!
You will find our weather this week a little more comfortable than you left back home. Although I might need to dig out a sweatshirt for tomorrow. And, we are not too far from Wesley Chapel.
Get the important projects caught up and then on to the VW projects. I can see the light at the end of the tunnel for me to be finished with our entertainment center project. I just hope the light isn't a delivery truck coming with more work to do.
Thanks for stopping by. I hope you enjoy a wonderful Florida Christmas!
pitterpat
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Weather has been great so far! It was below 20 when I left home today.
SpeedinLemon
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Hey Wingnut - It's been a while again...I was expecting to see pictures of a shiny, restored bus cruising the Florida beaches. Instead I see you've been off visiting Red Leader and creating an incredible entertainment center! Nice job on the design....I have to admit I was surprised to see you using it. What did you think of it, given your experience with AutoCad and other more professional software?
See if you can pull yourself away from the 60" to post up a "Finished" pic! I guess even you Florida folks are needing a fireplace this winter....how's it working out?
Nice work as always....update us when you get a chance.
Chris
Nice job on the design....I have to admit I was surprised to see you using it. What did you think of it, given your experience with AutoCad and other more professional software?See if you can pull yourself away from the 60" to post up a "Finished" pic! I guess even you Florida folks are needing a fireplace this winter....how's it working out?
Nice work as always....update us when you get a chance.
Chris
Thanks, Chris for checking in and giving me a push. Glad to have you back! Life has once again gotten in the way of the Bus project. I've decided to get it up and running and have fun with it for now. Later I can replace all the rusty parts and get it nice and shiny. I'd really like the girls to get to enjoy it some before they go to college in the near future.
Updated pix of the entertainment center may be ready this weekend. I need to get the travertine around the fireplace to truly call it 'Done'. The fireplace has been used a few times recently. It works well and we are completely satisfied. Nothing like a remote control to get a fire roaring in the fireplace!
The design concept has evolved to what it is now. I do use AutoCAD at work, but the 3D isn't as flexible to modify. I have Revit, which is much better on 3D, but I'm not fluent with it and really need to get a refresher. I've been wanting to learn SketchUp and figured this was a good time to learn. After a few Getting Started tutorial videos and I was creating shapes and eventually the final design. Looks like I really need to create a project post to really show the whole story of our project. But more on that later..
Hideout Teaser...
Now for a sample of what has been going on around the Hideout since Thanksgiving...
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Before And After:
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Yes, it is Vintage!
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Updated pix of the entertainment center may be ready this weekend. I need to get the travertine around the fireplace to truly call it 'Done'. The fireplace has been used a few times recently. It works well and we are completely satisfied. Nothing like a remote control to get a fire roaring in the fireplace!
The design concept has evolved to what it is now. I do use AutoCAD at work, but the 3D isn't as flexible to modify. I have Revit, which is much better on 3D, but I'm not fluent with it and really need to get a refresher. I've been wanting to learn SketchUp and figured this was a good time to learn. After a few Getting Started tutorial videos and I was creating shapes and eventually the final design. Looks like I really need to create a project post to really show the whole story of our project. But more on that later..
Hideout Teaser...
Now for a sample of what has been going on around the Hideout since Thanksgiving...
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Before And After:
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Yes, it is Vintage!
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shopnut, You are correct. I guess engineers are always trying to figure out how things work!
This is how I found my prize! The foot lever twists the square rod and pushes the piston down to raise the wheels.
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And that rusty bolt head on the cabinet leg is the same type that is in the before/after picture in my previous post
This was a fairly expensive accessory available in the early '60's. $10.99 in the 1964 Craftsman catalog! (Item 10)
I'm actually surprised that the cabinet door with piano hinge costs than the drawers with drawer slides... BTW, Mine has only two drawers and no door!
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And, the Fireplace Travertine is installed! Finished pictures coming soon!
This is how I found my prize! The foot lever twists the square rod and pushes the piston down to raise the wheels.
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And that rusty bolt head on the cabinet leg is the same type that is in the before/after picture in my previous post
This was a fairly expensive accessory available in the early '60's. $10.99 in the 1964 Craftsman catalog! (Item 10)
I'm actually surprised that the cabinet door with piano hinge costs than the drawers with drawer slides... BTW, Mine has only two drawers and no door!
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And, the Fireplace Travertine is installed! Finished pictures coming soon!
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jbmatth
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WIngnut65, all I can say is wow, what a thread. I've lurked for a while and stumbled across your thread looking for info on garage doors. I like your ideas and have been planning many things out for a few years now for all types of project and have been doing what you suggest about saving an image and link to take me back. Get going on that bug, it will be great to have it running again.
JCQuick
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Oh and for a moant jeff was going to show us the finished entertainment center.
jbm! I am honored that you have come out from lurking and your first post is in the Salt Life Hideout.
Your shed project is right on track for getting your garage cleaned up. My HOA will not allow sheds for lawn equipment and so I limit the amount of tools that I keep. I can't wait to see your plans and build. Please start a thread and post your design so we can join in your excitement.
Between you and JCQ giving me a little kick, I will be updating the progress around the Hideout. This past week, I have gone back two years of posts (back to page 18) to remind me what I had posted and where I left off. That is why I posted the teaser because I have never posted a final update showing how the Water Heater and AC Cabinets turned out.
But thing have also been a little fishy around here...
don long
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Jeff
I just caught up nice entertainment center
And now you are trying to catch up with red leader and the craftsman tools??
Nice
The teaser is just to little to figure out what you have in store for us so i'm waitin
Don
I just caught up nice entertainment center
And now you are trying to catch up with red leader and the craftsman tools??
Nice
The teaser is just to little to figure out what you have in store for us so i'm waitin
Don
Yes Don, the Hideout now has a Vintage Craftsman Tool! And mostly it IS because of Red Leader that made me have second thoughts about what to do with it. I realized that I could rearrange the front of my shop to fit it in. So, I did!
This is where it has been for the past 46 years. It is a 1963 radial arm saw that my Dad bought new and I grew up using.
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This past November, I was in Miami and I disassembled it and brought it back to the Salt Life Hideout. I cleaned up everything and reassembled it and it works perfectly! I still have to install the gold nameplate just under the table. These are before the cord was replaced as well...
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Nothing was repainted on the saw or the cabinet. Only cleaning, scrubbing and some polish.
I have really enjoyed having it so handy to use. Now I may just get rid of my old HF miter saw since this can handle everything and more. (Except for the portability convenience!)
I have many more pix of the restore, so I guess an in-depth update will be needed here as well. (mental note: Don't wait 8 months to post an update!)
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Good idea!!!
My dad also had a Craftsman RA saw like that (albeit about 10 years newer) when we where kids. I cut a lot of wood on that saw.
They really changed a lot on those saws in 10 years - for the worse. Yours looks much better made than dear old Dad's later model. Its great you now have it and are preserving memories.
shopnut, I'm thrilled how nice the RAS cleaned up and I plan to hold on to it for a long time! I have great memories with this and plan to make many more!
Now, on with the news! It’s been way too long since I made an update, so forgive me and here we go…
Like sands through the hourglass, so is my memory and my life…
Salt Life Hideout Update – Cabinet Wrap Up!
Since the AC Cabinet, Paint Cabinet and Water Heater cabinets have been finished for some time, I need to post the latest pix to show how they all came out…
When we last left off, the Water Heater cabinet on the left had just been finished, the doors had been painted the primer color and the gap filler trim pieces were installed.
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Now Fast Forward to today! The cabinets have all been painted the correct SLH paint scheme with the gloss black accent stripe! Even the sliding door cabinet on the left!
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The black stripe height and thickness was set by the light switches. Painting the cover plates and they just blend right in and disappear.
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I did have to add a door stop bumper just above the light switches… One thing I had not anticipated when I built the cabinet was the light switch. Every time I opened the cabinet fully opened, it hit the switch and turned the lights out in the garage. So, to prevent that from happening again, I found the best looking door stop I could find, if there is such a thing as a ‘good looking doors stop’! As I'm typing this, I realized that I could have mounted the stop on the side of the cabinet instead of the wall!!
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To the left of the door, I found the space I needed for all my levels. Previously they were scattered on the plywood over my workbench and were sometimes buried under other hanging clutter. Since this is our main door into the house, I made sure they were above shoulder height to avoid anyone knocking them off.
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I can hear the anticipation and excitement now and you ask…
So, How do the cabinets work?
Now, on with the news! It’s been way too long since I made an update, so forgive me and here we go…
Like sands through the hourglass, so is my memory and my life…
Salt Life Hideout Update – Cabinet Wrap Up!
Since the AC Cabinet, Paint Cabinet and Water Heater cabinets have been finished for some time, I need to post the latest pix to show how they all came out…
When we last left off, the Water Heater cabinet on the left had just been finished, the doors had been painted the primer color and the gap filler trim pieces were installed.
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Now Fast Forward to today! The cabinets have all been painted the correct SLH paint scheme with the gloss black accent stripe! Even the sliding door cabinet on the left!
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The black stripe height and thickness was set by the light switches. Painting the cover plates and they just blend right in and disappear.
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I did have to add a door stop bumper just above the light switches… One thing I had not anticipated when I built the cabinet was the light switch. Every time I opened the cabinet fully opened, it hit the switch and turned the lights out in the garage. So, to prevent that from happening again, I found the best looking door stop I could find, if there is such a thing as a ‘good looking doors stop’! As I'm typing this, I realized that I could have mounted the stop on the side of the cabinet instead of the wall!!
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To the left of the door, I found the space I needed for all my levels. Previously they were scattered on the plywood over my workbench and were sometimes buried under other hanging clutter. Since this is our main door into the house, I made sure they were above shoulder height to avoid anyone knocking them off.
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I can hear the anticipation and excitement now and you ask…
So, How do the cabinets work?
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That's a Very Good Question! Thanks for asking They work great.
And with the ‘Space Creates Vacuum’ concept, they were filled up pretty quick. Although I have been limiting my purchases and tossing stuff that will not be used in the foreseeable future. The shelves work much better with the 1x2 across the face of them! (I forgot and opened the Water Heater Cabinet once in a fit of rage and ended up having to clean up all the bottles and put them back on the shelf. The front braces were installed the next day!)
So, how do they look?
Water Heater Cabinet on the left!
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Paint Cabinet in the middle!
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And the AC Cabinet on the right!
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I still have two storage spaces that are waiting to be claimed. In the AC Cabinet, I’m still thinking about a removable shelf above the AC unit. It would need to be a little bit above the AC unit and removable easily so an AC repair type person can remove it easily if needed to while I am at work. Cutouts can go around the lines and power on the left.
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And above the Paint and Water Heater Cabinets, I still have that open hole that I just want to cover, but it could be useful somehow. Back on page 3, shopnut mentioned the idea of putting some short 4” PVC pipes up there for storing some long supplies. That option is still open.
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I have about 7” clear behind the Paint Cabinet that may also become another shelving unit for my oversupply of spray paint cans and excessive amounts of supplies. But it can’t be too deep or it will limit access behind the water heater
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So, I can now wrap up this part of the project and put the ‘DONE’ stamp on the cabinets. And just to think, THIS is how much new storage space I created in otherwise unclaimed space. Namely, in the air space in front of these units! I guess I’ve been following shopnut so long that I can visualize storage where nothing exists, literally!
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Thanks for checking in at the Salt Life Hideout. And thanks for hanging in with me as Life has gotten in the way of me getting anything updated around here. Work has been progressing and photos have been taken, it all just takes time to get uploaded here!
Next update, “It’s Show Time!”
They work great. And with the ‘Space Creates Vacuum’ concept, they were filled up pretty quick. Although I have been limiting my purchases and tossing stuff that will not be used in the foreseeable future. The shelves work much better with the 1x2 across the face of them! (I forgot and opened the Water Heater Cabinet once in a fit of rage and ended up having to clean up all the bottles and put them back on the shelf. The front braces were installed the next day!)
So, how do they look?
Water Heater Cabinet on the left!
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Paint Cabinet in the middle!
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And the AC Cabinet on the right!
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I still have two storage spaces that are waiting to be claimed. In the AC Cabinet, I’m still thinking about a removable shelf above the AC unit. It would need to be a little bit above the AC unit and removable easily so an AC repair type person can remove it easily if needed to while I am at work. Cutouts can go around the lines and power on the left.
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And above the Paint and Water Heater Cabinets, I still have that open hole that I just want to cover, but it could be useful somehow. Back on page 3, shopnut mentioned the idea of putting some short 4” PVC pipes up there for storing some long supplies. That option is still open.
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I have about 7” clear behind the Paint Cabinet that may also become another shelving unit for my oversupply of spray paint cans and excessive amounts of supplies. But it can’t be too deep or it will limit access behind the water heater
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So, I can now wrap up this part of the project and put the ‘DONE’ stamp on the cabinets. And just to think, THIS is how much new storage space I created in otherwise unclaimed space. Namely, in the air space in front of these units! I guess I’ve been following shopnut so long that I can visualize storage where nothing exists, literally!
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Thanks for checking in at the Salt Life Hideout. And thanks for hanging in with me as Life has gotten in the way of me getting anything updated around here. Work has been progressing and photos have been taken, it all just takes time to get uploaded here!
Next update, “It’s Show Time!”
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WOW Wingnut, everything looks great! Colors, space utilization, functionality, EVERYTHING!
Cans flying on the floor gave me a chuckle. And the light switch - "Why do the lights go off every time I open this cabinet?" We've all been in those types of situations. Sometimes the shortcomings smack you right in the face. Lucky you found quick and easy solutions to them.
"It's Show Time" - should we bring popcorn?
Cans flying on the floor gave me a chuckle. And the light switch - "Why do the lights go off every time I open this cabinet?" We've all been in those types of situations. Sometimes the shortcomings smack you right in the face. Lucky you found quick and easy solutions to them.
"It's Show Time" - should we bring popcorn?
‘Show Time’ is coming, but first you need to hear how we got there…
My last progress update on the Entertainment Center was actually during the Demolition Phase. I could just fast forward and show you the final results, which are impressive… but you really need to see all that went into the project.
Salt Life Hideout Update...
Entertainment Center, Volume 2 - The Build!
Since it has been sooooo loooong ago, here’s a litte refresher
We started with this
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And want to have this
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We did a lot of this
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And she did a little of this
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Had the whole Krewe help for some of the high stuff
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And it eventually turned out like this
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Now this is a good time to explain that the other side of that 1/2” drywall is the Master Bedroom. Since we are going to install built-in surround sound speakers in our Entertainment System, I paid very close attention to sound attenuation in this wall. I studied many hours on Acoustic Control and came up with a plan.
You will also notice the Blue Tape on the wall. This is how we visualized the size of all the puzzle pieces. Fireplace is centered on the floor, TV above and speakers and storage above with curio cabinets to the left and right.
How it all started… Blue Tape was actually the way the whole concept started to evolve. We started talking about this project over Christmas Break 2012 and when I got home from work one day in early January, I found this… Lady Wingnut had started the ball rolling on what turned out to be a 9-1/2 month project. (The Twins didn’t even take that long to produce!)
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And now back to the regularly scheduled Hideout Update!
Once demolition was done, next was…
Pre-Wiring The Wall
It was also sometime after the wall was exposed and before the wiring that we had the gas company come and extend the gas line down to the floor for the new fireplace location
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With a full blown A/V System, there were many, many cables that needed to be run around the whole Family Room and several across the attic to the garage. Then there was the additional electrical outlets and light switches that were needed. On the big day to Pre-Wire, I had Frank, my expert electrician on the left, and Ron, the A/V Guru on the ladder with his able bodied assistant
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At the end of the day, cables were running all over the wall, across the attic and even down the other wall. I even tested the fit of the sound insulation, but more on that later
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In the corner where the A/V rack will be, there were about 20 cables sticking through the wall.
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Future-Proofing
But, I didn’t want the A/V system to be outdated any time soon. So, in an attempt to future-proof the system, I ran a 2-1/2” plastic conduit from the A/V Rack on the right, up to the attic, and another one on the left side down to the left cabinet where a sub-woofer jack is located. (Another one is behind the couch) Since this was mostly a straight up shot to the attic, I put a block under the 4x4 j-box to keep it from sliding back down.
I used 2-1/2" to be able to get the plug end of a cord through it, not that I will need to, but I can!
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Now getting it into the attic took a little creativity! FYI, the Family Room ceiling is 11’-2” high (3.4m) and the Master Bedroom ceiling is 10’-0” (3m). The space between was the perfect place to jog the conduit so I didn’t have to drill through several more 2x4’s if I went straight up. (Ignore the insulation, its really not there yet!)
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The solution was a jig that I made with the same offset dimensions as the clearances I had between the 2x4’s. With the jig and a little heat from a heat gun and…
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Presto!, OK, It took a lot of heat and I had to be careful not to melt the pipe in the process, but it worked!
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To get a 10’/3m pipe into the wall and through the fire blocking, I had to cut the pipe in two and use a coupler glued in the middle. See it fits! As does the sound insulation that hasn't been started yet!
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With all that needed to be in the wall, the next step was to sound rate the wall!
Next up, a little lesson in Acoustics!
My last progress update on the Entertainment Center was actually during the Demolition Phase. I could just fast forward and show you the final results, which are impressive… but you really need to see all that went into the project.
Salt Life Hideout Update...
Entertainment Center, Volume 2 - The Build!
Since it has been sooooo loooong ago, here’s a litte refresher
We started with this
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And want to have this
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We did a lot of this
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And she did a little of this
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Had the whole Krewe help for some of the high stuff
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And it eventually turned out like this
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Now this is a good time to explain that the other side of that 1/2” drywall is the Master Bedroom. Since we are going to install built-in surround sound speakers in our Entertainment System, I paid very close attention to sound attenuation in this wall. I studied many hours on Acoustic Control and came up with a plan.
You will also notice the Blue Tape on the wall. This is how we visualized the size of all the puzzle pieces. Fireplace is centered on the floor, TV above and speakers and storage above with curio cabinets to the left and right.
How it all started… Blue Tape was actually the way the whole concept started to evolve. We started talking about this project over Christmas Break 2012 and when I got home from work one day in early January, I found this… Lady Wingnut had started the ball rolling on what turned out to be a 9-1/2 month project. (The Twins didn’t even take that long to produce!)
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And now back to the regularly scheduled Hideout Update!
Once demolition was done, next was…
Pre-Wiring The Wall
It was also sometime after the wall was exposed and before the wiring that we had the gas company come and extend the gas line down to the floor for the new fireplace location
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With a full blown A/V System, there were many, many cables that needed to be run around the whole Family Room and several across the attic to the garage. Then there was the additional electrical outlets and light switches that were needed. On the big day to Pre-Wire, I had Frank, my expert electrician on the left, and Ron, the A/V Guru on the ladder with his able bodied assistant
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At the end of the day, cables were running all over the wall, across the attic and even down the other wall. I even tested the fit of the sound insulation, but more on that later
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In the corner where the A/V rack will be, there were about 20 cables sticking through the wall.
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Future-Proofing
But, I didn’t want the A/V system to be outdated any time soon. So, in an attempt to future-proof the system, I ran a 2-1/2” plastic conduit from the A/V Rack on the right, up to the attic, and another one on the left side down to the left cabinet where a sub-woofer jack is located. (Another one is behind the couch) Since this was mostly a straight up shot to the attic, I put a block under the 4x4 j-box to keep it from sliding back down.
I used 2-1/2" to be able to get the plug end of a cord through it, not that I will need to, but I can!
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Now getting it into the attic took a little creativity! FYI, the Family Room ceiling is 11’-2” high (3.4m) and the Master Bedroom ceiling is 10’-0” (3m). The space between was the perfect place to jog the conduit so I didn’t have to drill through several more 2x4’s if I went straight up. (Ignore the insulation, its really not there yet!)
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The solution was a jig that I made with the same offset dimensions as the clearances I had between the 2x4’s. With the jig and a little heat from a heat gun and…
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Presto!, OK, It took a lot of heat and I had to be careful not to melt the pipe in the process, but it worked!
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To get a 10’/3m pipe into the wall and through the fire blocking, I had to cut the pipe in two and use a coupler glued in the middle. See it fits! As does the sound insulation that hasn't been started yet!
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With all that needed to be in the wall, the next step was to sound rate the wall!
Next up, a little lesson in Acoustics!
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(Or is it just me not seeing them?)akdiesel
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Great use of space. A place for everything and everything in its place.
Great use of space. A place for everything and everything in its place.
Everything is better with pictures! Thanks for getting that figured out. You've been having way too much fun there at the Hideout. And it looks like the Crewe has been having some too! Great idea to include that wireway for future use.
That's one heck of a project to be doing in the middle of the house. Did Lady Wingnut deal with it okay? (My guess is yes, since she seems like a pretty easy-going person)
That's one heck of a project to be doing in the middle of the house. Did Lady Wingnut deal with it okay? (My guess is yes, since she seems like a pretty easy-going person)
For the amount of drywall work we decided to include and all the dust, yes, she accepted it well. The frustration was miscoordination with the woodworker, unknown schedule and results not meeting our needs or requests. It was stressful and some parts of the cabinet were removed and rebuilt, but that is a whole other story. I'll give highlights later.
In the end, she is perfectly satisfied with our new Family Room.
Salt Life Hideout Update
Entertainment Center, Volume 3 – The Build!
So, we have discussed the Demolition Phase, Pre-Wiring the Wall, and Future-Proofing the System. Now we need to talk a little Sound Control!
During the planning stages, I decided that making the wall behind the new built-in would be a high priority. I typically get up around 5:30 am to get to work before too much traffic. To do that, I often go to bed before the rest of the clan is finished being entertained in the Family Room and the TV is shut off. Adding a surround sound system with three speakers and a sub-woofer just the other side of that wall just makes Sound Control that much more important.
I did many hours of searching for the best way to get the most for my money. I talked with IGO2XS as he had addressed the same issues in his house build. I found YouTube videos on how to soundproof a room and found many products that offered to solve all my problems, at least sound related! The more I looked, the more they all were saying close to the same thing – Our product does this to reduce sound transfer thru walls and Our product can do this to soundproof a room! So I took notes, printed out pages and came up with a plan…
But first, let’s have a little education on Sound Travel… It’s kinda like Time Travel, except it happens at the same time, in the same place and is very loud. OK, maybe it’s nothing like Time Travel!
Acoustics 101
Here’s a synopsis that will cover the basics needed to understand my project:
Sound waves travel through air or through structural framing. Remove the air or cover the passages where air can travel and sound waves can be reduced significantly and come very close to being eliminated completely. And putting a space or gap between the wall framing and one layer of drywall is highly recommended to reduce sound transmission through the structure. Unless like me, there is no room to add any more thickness to the wall.
My research showed that Sound Insulation in the voids of a wall could reduce sound through a wall considerably! I also found out that a layer of Mass Loaded Vinyl can also reduce sound transmission considerably! And finally, Sound and Fire Rated Putty Pads covering holes and irregularities around electrical boxes can also reduce sound infiltration considerably! With that knowledge, I figured that three methods that would reduce sound ‘Considerably’ could be Three Times as effective in sound reduction. :wow: And how else can you finish off a sound rated wall without a little Acoustical Sealant on all the edges?
My Sound Insulation of choice was Roxul’s Safe’N’Sound Mineral Fiber Insulation. It is a non-combustible stone wool insulation product that has excellent sound rating capabilities.
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The Mass Loaded Vinyl that I chose is Acoustiblok, mainly because their headquarters is about 10 minutes from my office and I wouldn't have to pay for shipping! MLV is a 1/8” (3mm) thick layer of specialty vinyl that goes over the studs and under the drywall and will catch sound waves and basically absorbs the sound waves as they pass through it. Acoustiblok is 54” wide and feels like rubber and weighs about 1.1 pounds per square foot (4.5kg/sq. m). This stuff gets heavy very quickly when holding overhead and trying to nail it in with roofing nails!
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This example from the company that shows how it is used. This is also how I dealt with separating the structural framing from the outside layer of drywall.
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The Putty Pads that I found were SpecSeal SSP Putty Pads that were 7.25” square by 3/16” thick and have the consistency of clay or Silly Putty. I scored a new box of 20 on eBay at about half price ($54 including shipping compared to $5 each)
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And finally, the Acoustical Sealant I used was Titebond’s GREENchoice Acoustical Sealant (#2892). It only came in the large 28 Oz cartridge size, so wouldn’t you know it, I just had to go buy a new tool for the project! I never had the need for a large caulk gun before, but I have since used it also for sealing my driveway joints! (That’s another discussion with pix for later)
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And that is the end of the lesson, now back to progress!
Now I can hear some of you right now, Why doesn’t he just add a layer or two of drywall to add mass?? Great idea, except I didn’t want to change anything with the carpet in the family room. If I had another 1/2” drywall or even use one layer of 5/8” instead of the 1/2", I could be pushing the new entertainment center into the room enough to impact the carpet. The drywall is already 1/8” further out because of the Acoustiblok. Another 1/8” and I would lose 1/4". It all adds up and must come out of something. We didn’t want it to be the carpet.
Let’s get building!
Had to split the post for size limitations...
Entertainment Center, Volume 3 – The Build!
So, we have discussed the Demolition Phase, Pre-Wiring the Wall, and Future-Proofing the System. Now we need to talk a little Sound Control!
During the planning stages, I decided that making the wall behind the new built-in would be a high priority. I typically get up around 5:30 am to get to work before too much traffic. To do that, I often go to bed before the rest of the clan is finished being entertained in the Family Room and the TV is shut off. Adding a surround sound system with three speakers and a sub-woofer just the other side of that wall just makes Sound Control that much more important.
I did many hours of searching for the best way to get the most for my money. I talked with IGO2XS as he had addressed the same issues in his house build. I found YouTube videos on how to soundproof a room and found many products that offered to solve all my problems, at least sound related! The more I looked, the more they all were saying close to the same thing – Our product does this to reduce sound transfer thru walls and Our product can do this to soundproof a room! So I took notes, printed out pages and came up with a plan…
But first, let’s have a little education on Sound Travel… It’s kinda like Time Travel, except it happens at the same time, in the same place and is very loud. OK, maybe it’s nothing like Time Travel!
Acoustics 101
Here’s a synopsis that will cover the basics needed to understand my project:
Sound waves travel through air or through structural framing. Remove the air or cover the passages where air can travel and sound waves can be reduced significantly and come very close to being eliminated completely. And putting a space or gap between the wall framing and one layer of drywall is highly recommended to reduce sound transmission through the structure. Unless like me, there is no room to add any more thickness to the wall.
My research showed that Sound Insulation in the voids of a wall could reduce sound through a wall considerably! I also found out that a layer of Mass Loaded Vinyl can also reduce sound transmission considerably! And finally, Sound and Fire Rated Putty Pads covering holes and irregularities around electrical boxes can also reduce sound infiltration considerably! With that knowledge, I figured that three methods that would reduce sound ‘Considerably’ could be Three Times as effective in sound reduction. :wow: And how else can you finish off a sound rated wall without a little Acoustical Sealant on all the edges?
My Sound Insulation of choice was Roxul’s Safe’N’Sound Mineral Fiber Insulation. It is a non-combustible stone wool insulation product that has excellent sound rating capabilities.
398
The Mass Loaded Vinyl that I chose is Acoustiblok, mainly because their headquarters is about 10 minutes from my office and I wouldn't have to pay for shipping! MLV is a 1/8” (3mm) thick layer of specialty vinyl that goes over the studs and under the drywall and will catch sound waves and basically absorbs the sound waves as they pass through it. Acoustiblok is 54” wide and feels like rubber and weighs about 1.1 pounds per square foot (4.5kg/sq. m). This stuff gets heavy very quickly when holding overhead and trying to nail it in with roofing nails!
399
This example from the company that shows how it is used. This is also how I dealt with separating the structural framing from the outside layer of drywall.
400
The Putty Pads that I found were SpecSeal SSP Putty Pads that were 7.25” square by 3/16” thick and have the consistency of clay or Silly Putty. I scored a new box of 20 on eBay at about half price ($54 including shipping compared to $5 each)
401
And finally, the Acoustical Sealant I used was Titebond’s GREENchoice Acoustical Sealant (#2892). It only came in the large 28 Oz cartridge size, so wouldn’t you know it, I just had to go buy a new tool for the project! I never had the need for a large caulk gun before, but I have since used it also for sealing my driveway joints! (That’s another discussion with pix for later)
402
And that is the end of the lesson, now back to progress!
Now I can hear some of you right now, Why doesn’t he just add a layer or two of drywall to add mass?? Great idea, except I didn’t want to change anything with the carpet in the family room. If I had another 1/2” drywall or even use one layer of 5/8” instead of the 1/2", I could be pushing the new entertainment center into the room enough to impact the carpet. The drywall is already 1/8” further out because of the Acoustiblok. Another 1/8” and I would lose 1/4". It all adds up and must come out of something. We didn’t want it to be the carpet.
Let’s get building!
Had to split the post for size limitations...
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