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Well im sitting here in the Y-uk drinking some home made sweet ice lemon tea, wishing I was back over there and not getting wet here, reading through you thread. Your bus is in need of a little tlc, your thread is awsome another that ive subscribed too.
 
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Although... Someone with experience with hydraulics, cables, gears, pneumatics, etc, could get something like this to work for concealed storage!
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Now this sparks an idea...

I have a vision of a number of these as storage racks (not TVs) dropping down from between the roof trusses in the typical garage these days. They could be as tall and deep as the attic height and the truss spacing would allow and would be able to store all kinds of stuff.

Of course, they would have to be counterbalanced and motorized ;)
 

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Now this sparks an idea...

I have a vision of a number of these as storage racks (not TVs) dropping down from between the roof trusses in the typical garage these days. They could be as tall and deep as the attic height and the truss spacing would allow and would be able to store all kinds of stuff.

Of course, they would have to be counterbalanced and motorized ;)
After looking at your place and work done just for a compressor how long do you think it would take you to make a working prototype. I know they make the attic lift which is a great idea but would have to some GJ mods to make it GJ worthy. LOL

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After looking at your place and work done just for a compressor how long do you think it would take you to make a working prototype. I know they make the attic lift which is a great idea but would have to some GJ mods to make it GJ worthy. LOL
Well, considering my current To-Do list, I would say a working prototype by 2019 is not out of the question :wtf::)
(BTW, the compressor was just a little something to take my mind off this summertime blazing heat. ;) I'm sooooo ready for fall.)
 
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Now this sparks an idea...

I have a vision of a number of these as storage racks (not TVs) dropping down from between the roof trusses in the typical garage these days. They could be as tall and deep as the attic height and the truss spacing would allow and would be able to store all kinds of stuff.

Of course, they would have to be counterbalanced and motorized ;)

I was hoping that picture might spark the engineering juices to flow a little. That is the same I idea I was thinking with either fishing rods, tools, storage bins, or many different things.

After looking at your place and work done just for a compressor how long do you think it would take you to make a working prototype. I know they make the attic lift which is a great idea but would have some GJ mods to make it GJ worthy. LOL

Well, considering my current To-Do list, I would say a working prototype by 2019 is not out of the question :wtf::)

Sounds like a plan. Not a commitment, just in the planning stages. The Descending Access Storage... (Where's Omph when we need a name?) Whatever name they become, can be put on the To-Do list, right after the Chevelle is running and appears at a couple shows... (No Pressure, shopnut!)


(BTW, the compressor was just a little something to take my mind off this summertime blazing heat. ;) I'm sooooo ready for fall.)

Aren't we all! I strive to make it thru the heat and humidity of the summer to thoroughly enjoy Fall, Winter and Spring. Especially our snow days! :thumbup:
 
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Well im sitting here in the Y-uk drinking some home made sweet ice lemon tea, wishing I was back over there and not getting wet here, reading through you thread. Your bus is in need of a little tlc, your thread is awsome another that ive subscribed too.

Thanks colin! I guess just having Sweet Tea isn't enough to make life perfect. But drinking it in Florida really is pretty nice. If you need a break from the Y-uk, feel free to swing by!

That's cool. like it. now get on that bus. oh I've been a motor building fool lately so HMU

Ok, Ok... I hear both of ya. On with the BUS!!!

Progress has been made this year on the Bus. I will start to document the work performed so far, but here are a couple teasers...

These are some of the recent purchases - Brake cylinders from JCQuick, brake rebuild kits and the infamous 46mm VW Axle Nut Wrench! (JCQ knows I bought them, he just wants to see them installed!)

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Some may recall back a few pages, my attempt to remove an axle nut resulted in this!

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So I went out and bought an impact wrench, but no luck. These are what did not work!

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And this is finally what broke it loose!

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Brake work has been started and the backer plates took an E-Bath!

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More Bus progress to come...
 

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Nice to see you've picked up your bus project again. Before you know it parts are scattered all over your garage floor and engine parts can even be found in the dishwasher. Your girls are disappointed to find out that those mail ordered packages are car parts again instead of clothes and the list goes on... ;)
 

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I've been perusing garage builds & saw the Bus pic in one of your early posts. Just spent my morning reading & have now caught up on the the whole thread. Very nice! Being obsessed with VW's I subscribed so I can follow along with your bus project. Heck of a thread!
 
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Nice to see you've picked up your bus project again. Before you know it parts are scattered all over your garage floor and engine parts can even be found in the dishwasher. Your girls are disappointed to find out that those mail ordered packages are car parts again instead of clothes and the list goes on... ;)

Thanks, Crown! Sounds like a voice of experience! Yes, parts are scattered around the house, but not in the dishwasher. At least not with the undercarriage parts.

The girls would actually be excited to see packages arriving with bus parts. That would mean a little closer to getting it running so they can learn stick!


I've been perusing garage builds & saw the Bus pic in one of your early posts. Just spent my morning reading & have now caught up on the the whole thread. Very nice! Being obsessed with VW's I subscribed so I can follow along with your bus project. Heck of a thread!

Thanks for jumping in FireTurtle! Thanks for enduring the previous projects, trips and attempts at humor to catch up. The Bus has been in our family since new and I want to get it running again.

A VW Obsession is not that bad. Could be a little expensive at times, but it is a lot healthier than some other obsessions.

BTW, Thanks for lurking no more and sharing your cave! :thumbup:

Now, on with the Bus!
 
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Hideout Bus Restoration 101 – History Lesson

A little back history on the Bus, My parents purchased it new in June 1965. Here’s a shot of me taking care of it at an early age.

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After many happy years of use, two month-long trips out west, many family camping trips around the Southeast US, teaching three boys to drive stick shift, the Bus was parked sitting on my parent’s property in Central Florida for too many years. My dad parked it because either the engine or transmission was giving him fits. I know it jumped out of fourth gear for the last few years, but not sure if that was the final reason to stop using it. My Dad wanted to finish drywalling the garage before he bought it inside and rebuilt it and get it running again. Well, unfortunately my Dad never had the chance before cancer took him. Unfortunately I never thought about moving the Bus inside the garage or even covering it to protect it.

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Most likely, the parking brake was pulled all these years. Rain was frequent and plentiful in Central Florida. Our daily afternoon storms would often leave several inches of water standing on the ground before it soaked in. And, since they years were not good to the tires, after they went flat, the wheels and brake drums were sitting in the water for all those many years. This was the perfect recipe for the growth of our State Organism, Rust! The result, well, let’s just say that the song was wrong on this one… The wheels on the Bus DON’T go round and round!

Hideout Bus Restoration 101 – The Recovery

The non-functioning wheels were discovered very quickly when I tried to just pull it up on a trailer and bring it home. All we had was a Ford Excursion, a U-Haul car trailer, chains, straps, hold downs, a floor jack, lumber and a come-a-long hand winch. The idea was to park the truck and trailer in front and winch it up on the trailer. Right! We pulled the Bus to the ramps and pushed the ramps back into the trailer.

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So, we jacked up the Bus and got the front wheels on the ramps and even put sand and palmetto fronds under the wheels to let them slide easier. But, then it didn’t want to be pulled up the ramp with the hand winch.

Next Idea, use some V8 power. We unhooked the trailer from the Excursion and connected the pull straps to the trailer hitch. Now, were getting somewhere! Except now as we pulled the Bus, the trailer was coming along as well. I must also thank my brother, Tom and almost brother, Joel for helping with the massive recovery project.

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Next Idea, anchor the trailer! Blocks under the wheels only slid on the sand and pine needles. We needed a real anchor! We ran an extra pull strap from the trailer, under the Bus, and tied it off to a tree behind the Bus. Finally Progress!

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Except that it kept dragging to one side. We had to jack the front up off the trailer and push it to the other side, pull some more, jack it and shift it over, several times. Then the back wheels met the ramp and started pushing the ramps back in. Deja Vu! Had to jack up each side of the Bus again and get each rear wheel on the ramps.

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Then some steady pulling by the Excursion and pushing the Bus sideways to keep it aligned. Some four hours later, the Bus was finally on the trailer, strapped down and ready for the ride home!

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Hideout Bus Restoration 101 – Homeward Bound

The drive home was uneventful. Except for the *&#$# Railroad Track that were very rough. I slowed down some, but not enough… The bounce shook the Bus so much that the side doors popped open and the back door swung back and put a nice dent in the door and rear quarter panel. Great, more bodywork! I know I should have tied the inside handles together, but I didn’t!

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The Bus is now home. On the trailer. And the wheels don’t roll. Next Step, getting it off the trailers and into the garage! Let’s just pull the trailer out from under the Bus! Right!

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An anchor point was found by removing the back garage door from its hinges, putting a couple pry bars across the door and add a pull strap tied to the Bus!

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Then just drive away! We did add cardboard under the wheels to allow them to slide better. We still had to take this slow to keep the Bus aligned on the trailer.

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Wheel dollies are a must to be able to move a non-moving vehicle.

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The pull strap was changed out with the come-a-long to persuade the Bus to come inside. I realize that this took place before I had finished painting the floor and installed the RaceDeck. After pulling in several lengths of the cable, reset, pull, reset, pull, and getting wood blocking to get the bus over the 1” lip at the garage door, the Bus finally made it into the garage!

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To keep from dripping any fluids on the bare concrete, the Bus was pushed to the center garage bay, where the tear down began.

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I’m sorry of this boring recovery process has dragged on, but I wanted to show some of the unique challenges that took place just to bring the Bus home and finally get it inside.

Now, on with the repairs!
 

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Thanks, sean! I'm trying to catch up on past projects, including the recent work on the Bus. As I started to create an update, I realized I never told the whole story of bringing it home.

I still need to slow down and catch up on your projects.
 

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Nice to read about the history of the Bus. Never knew it was a piece of the family and I hope that it stays that way for a long time. Now I know why you want your girls to learn to drive stick in the Bus. A good motivator to get the Bus back on the road.
 

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Jeff good update on the bus . I hate to say this but if it was jumping out of 4th (common problem) then you need to plan on pulling that and getting it gone thru. that is caused by worn 3rd and 4th sliders which requires total disassembly of said trans axle. I happen to know a couple of great trans builders ;) as you know I'll help in any way needed :D
 

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LOL, great retrieval story! We have a guy locally that we call "The Extractor" that is well versed in hauling out vehicles in that situation. He had my buggy & my old 62 chevy both loaded in less than half an hour on one trailer & both had all 4 wheels locked up.
Was the bus originally Sealing Wax Red & White? Are you going to take it back to the original look or give it some updates? Not sure if you have sourced replacement metal for it, but if you cant find metal from a donor bus, everyone I know that has redone their buses swear by the Klassic fab funky green patch panels.
 
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Thanks for the comments, guys. I guess having a 49-year-old single-owner car is kinda unique. That is the main reason why I can't just watch it rust away and be thrown out to a junk yard. Too many great family memories in this particular bus. And my girls really want to drive it sometime!

JCQ, Thanks for the diagnosis and offer on the ****** rebuilder. My ultimate wish is to replace the engine and ****** with something new that is dependable and that can maintain highway speeds. I don't see the Bus being the utility workhorse that we used it for before that would need all the lowest gears. The Freeway Flyer ****** may be the direction I go. But I'm open for suggestions when it coms to making those decisions. But if funds are limited, then rebuilding this engine and keeping the ****** would be fine. I know what to expect and how to work around the gears jumping.

FireTurtle, If I had know the wheels were locked up, I would have come with an electric winch on the trailer. Never gave it a thought.

Yes, it has always been Sealing Wax Red and Beige Gray (White). I want it to stay red and white, but not necessarily those exact two colors. I've seen some sharp looking buses in other shades of red that would also be acceptable.

Yes, I know Klassic Fab and the Funky Green Parts very well. I have Gerson in my contacts on my phone. I already have the new front floorboard, windshield trim and several interior pieces, but the next order will get all me replacement pieces so I can install the floorboard. It might be cheaper for me to run over to the east coast to pick them all up, instead of paying oversized shipping. But I know he will be back in town in November, but I don't want to wait that long.
 
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:thumbup: Happy New Year, Gerard! I look forward to a fantastic 2015! :beer:

Crown, The latest info on the Bus is that new parts have been purchased, but now I can't find the Bus anymore...

After using some financial logic on the Finance Minister, I was able to secure a grant to purchase some Funky Green Parts from Klassic Fab when he was in town for the annual Pasco Bug Jam 2015. The parts are big and shipping would have been expensive, so buying them in the middle of November (right before Christmas) when shipping is free is really a money saving idea!!!!!

Since I removed the front floorboard, I realized that the pieces that I needed to weld the new floor to, were also rusted pretty bad. So, more demo will be needed and welding to replace these! (Click the thumbnail)

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But... Several months ago, my brother and I cleaned out my mothers summer cabin north of Okeechobee and all the stuff I didn't want to see thrown in a junk pile, ended up in my garage. I now have four vintage 1960's bicycles, a 1960's Craftsman band saw, an old Clausing drill press that is missing all the variable speed pulleys and multiple rolls of aircraft grade aluminum from a past, and hopefully a future, airplane project. Somewhere in this picture is a VW Bus!

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First goal for 2015 will be to liquidate the collection, including two of my three drill presses. I may be trying out this Craig's List thingy.

Happy New Years to all my GJ friends!
 

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First goal for 2015 will be to liquidate the collection, including two of my three drill presses. I may be trying out this Craig's List thingy.

Happy New Years to all my GJ friends!

I didn't think you could have too many drill presses! :)

Happy New Year buddy!
 
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Thanks, shopnut! Happy New Year to you and yours. :thumbup:

If the garage didn't have to allow for daily parking of one vehicle, tool collection would be ideal. But limited space forces drastic decisions. I've also realized that in the 13 years we have been in this house, I have never used a floor mounted drill press for its full height capacity. I'm keeping a newly acquired bench top model that allows use of the space below for more storage.
 
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The DP is a beast. Which 2 you plan to get rid of? I agree the bench top units work great but I prefer I biggest bench unit before the make it a floor unit. I have a nice old Ryobi at my dads but its smaller and no lift table crank but its awesome. The bigger one I'm using now it has lift table a taller but its a POS in some accounts. Its hard to find ONE unit to do everything and FIT in a small garage. If only have a extra bay life would be great.
 

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Hi, Wingnut65.
Pictures of your "space" after cleaning out your mom's place brings back memories of some of our piles at the Restored 1930s Auto Shop. Luckily our piles of "stuff" wasn't so close to home. I have a theory that all the stuff that people want to save from the landfill is just being shuffled here and there all over the country!

Sending wishes for a Happy New Year from The Center of the Universe!

Chris
 

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Been there done that on the VW. My single cab was rusted through out the floor front to back and about a foot up all the way around. The steel on the bed and the side to side support for the bed. The frame rails were good.
The good news is I learned how to weld sheet metal.
The bad was how much I spent on green sheet metal replacement parts.
Here's a shot of the progress.

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Just put in a new turnkey engine.


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More good news a restored single cab goes for 20 to 30k.
Your van is a good investment, keep up the good work.

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I can verify that Jeff did indeed buy some large green VW bus panels at Pasco (he stopped by and said hello) Jeff I know the feeling of having "moms" stuff in a garage mine still has some in it and its a mess I need the new shop done just to move cars to be able to sort thru the stuff.

Happy new year
 

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"I picked up the “Great Garage Makeover” Magazine at the check-out counter of Home Depot. Now that I think of it, this thread and my whole garage makeover project is based off an impulse buy! (Well, at least it wasn’t another impulse tool buy this time!) I went through that magazine front to back several times. I went on-line searching for products mentioned in it and Garage Journal kept popping up in the search results. I wanted to see the pictures, so I joined GJ and jumped into the discussions. My garage renovation started to work itself out. And the ideas keep getting better."

Wow Deja Vu
 

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Hi Wingnut
I went to the L.A. roadster show today and walked around 2000 cars but when I saw a tricked out V.W. bus I thought of you Happy New year

So what kind of band saw are you thinking of liquidating I could be a taker if it is an old Craftsman with the 2 big wheels.
 
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The DP is a beast. Which 2 you plan to get rid of?

taumac, I'm getting rid of the two floor drill presses that I have. My 'King Feng Fu' has been very dependable for the past 15 years. It is variable 16 speed with a hand crank adjustable table. That is what I will miss the most.

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The second is a Clausing that my Dad had at his property in Okeechobee county, unfortunately does not have any of the variable speed gearing and adjusters. It only has a single pulley and belt from the motor to the spindle. I've done some surfing and searching for parts and it would cost several hundred dollars to get all the missing pieces to make the variable speed function work. I know I could make the investment back several times over, but I just don't want to get into an egg hunt like that.

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Here is the vintage Craftsman bench top drill press that I am keeping. There's a long story in this classic that I will have to get to some time.

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Hi, Wingnut65.
Pictures of your "space" after cleaning out your mom's place brings back memories of some of our piles at the Restored 1930s Auto Shop. Luckily our piles of "stuff" wasn't so close to home. I have a theory that all the stuff that people want to save from the landfill is just being shuffled here and there all over the country!

Sending wishes for a Happy New Year from The Center of the Universe!

Chris

Chris, I agree fully. Stuff that we don't want any more and just can't see throwing away is probably how eBay and Craig's List were started! The stuff I brought home may end up at Goodwill, but I need to try to pass them on to someone who could use it first.

Your Restored 1930's Auto Shop has been an inspiration for me for several years. It had so much character in the building that you and Thomas could see beyond all the stuff. And what is more amazing is how much of the original equipment was kept there and restored. I'm still inspired!
 

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Been there done that on the VW. My single cab was rusted through out the floor front to back and about a foot up all the way around. The steel on the bed and the side to side support for the bed. The frame rails were good.
The good news is I learned how to weld sheet metal.
The bad was how much I spent on green sheet metal replacement parts.

Here's a shot of the progress.
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Just put in a new turnkey engine.
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More good news a restored single cab goes for 20 to 30k.
Your van is a good investment, keep up the good work.
:Homer: :Homer: :Homer:

dfa, I can't wait to get as far along with mine as you are with yours. I know many floorboards were rusted out mostly in part to the non-breathable rubber mats that came with every bus. That, and having a window leak that allowed water to come in every summer afternoon, didn't help any. And, now that I have my tank, I will be learning how to weld on this puppy. In fact, taumac and I might just learn together...

I do have a small investment in those Funky Green Parts. Maybe that is why Gerson is so happy to see me walk up every year at the Bug Jam or Bulli Brigade. I know JCQ like to see me walk in his shop with my shopping list!

That new engine looks awesome. The only thing better, is if would already be in my bus. I mean your single cab! Keep on going!


I can verify that Jeff did indeed buy some large green VW bus panels at Pasco (he stopped by and said hello) Jeff I know the feeling of having "moms" stuff in a garage mine still has some in it and its a mess I need the new shop done just to move cars to be able to sort thru the stuff.

Exactly! But, just when did you stop by my garage??? That is exactly what I need to do every now and then. It all goes back to my concept that 'Space Creates Vacuum' and there is plenty of stuff that gets sucked in to fill that space!

"I picked up the “Great Garage Makeover” Magazine at the check-out counter of Home Depot. Now that I think of it, this thread and my whole garage makeover project is based off an impulse buy! (Well, at least it wasn’t another impulse tool buy this time!) I went through that magazine front to back several times. I went on-line searching for products mentioned in it and Garage Journal kept popping up in the search results. I wanted to see the pictures, so I joined GJ and jumped into the discussions. My garage renovation started to work itself out. And the ideas keep getting better."

Wow Deja Vu

So it happens to the best of us! The magazine with cool pictures gets us signed up to the GJ 12-Step therapy! Glad you found us, shortykorte, and thanks for stopping by the Hideout!

Hi Wingnut
I went to the L.A. roadster show today and walked around 2000 cars but when I saw a tricked out V.W. bus I thought of you. Happy New Year.

So what kind of band saw are you thinking of liquidating I could be a taker if it is an old Craftsman with the 2 big wheels.

Happy New Year, Don! They are sweet when they are all fixed up. I'd love to see a picture if to happened to get any!

Unfortunately, I've got a late '50s or early '60's three-wheel band saw. This is the one I grew up with using for all my projects back at home. It worked well and is very dependable, but I just don't have room for it. When my father passed, I inherited his 12" Craftsman that is 2-speed and has a tilting table. I've used it for the past 15 years that I would miss those features.

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I wish I could have been more helpful, but when I do find something that would fit in your place better than mine, I will send it on!
 

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Well then your gonna have to change your location :D. Your not in Tampa your in Lutz ( pronounced luuts :D. I have freinds out that way as well that managed to grab some land while there still was some :D. Actualluy I guess it could be Tampa now seems as though Tampa has spread all the way to Zepherhills even my grandmother lives out there in a fancy community.


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Born (MacDill) and raised in Tampa (Town n Country). Used to go swimming at the beach at Lake Carroll. Great times!!!
 

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That's a beautiful craftsman DP. What about some simple pullies to like ones on the other floor model on your fathers?

Have a good one Gerard
 
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Ahh, in another life... ;)

In a galaxy far, far away... Or close to it. I'll have to work on the story how this DP really gets around the country.
Its great to see your name pop up in the Hideout again! :thumbup:


Born (MacDill) and raised in Tampa (Town n Country). Used to go swimming at the beach at Lake Carroll. Great times!!!

And it is still a great place to call home. I've only been here 13 years, but the roots are growing deep. And its not as cold as Tally!


That's a beautiful craftsman DP. What about some simple pullies to like ones on the other floor model on your fathers?

Have a good one Gerard

Step pulleys may work, but I have that now on the Craftsman and also on the 'King Feng Fu'. The Clausing should be full variable speed to achieve any speed, not just those on the various pulley combinations. In this photo that Google found here on GJ, the front adjusting wheel attaches to a lever and an arm that pinches the first pulley, forcing the belt outward. The unique back pulley responds accordingly.

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Right now, I think I am over it and just need the empty space in the garage.
 

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Right now, I think I am over it and just need the empty space in the garage.

It's nice to have more room to breathe so you can focus on your project, but I have to admit you saved some very cool stuff from the junk pile!
 

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Jeff,

Good on you to save that stuff! I agree about the PM drill press - you gotta know when to hold em and when to fold em. Good news is that since PM makes desirable drill presses, I don't think you'll have too hard of a time getting rid of it.

Also, regarding the bicycles, you might try the Classic and Antique Bicycle Exchange (thecabe.com) as those guys would definitely appreciate the bikes if you are looking to make your way back to the bus sooner than later.
 

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Jeff, on one of my days off I finally assembled my Delta Homecraft and got it secured on the stand. It was the stand I had built for the Cman. Made me nostalgic, wanted to come in and visit. Don't think I can ever look at that pair and not think back.

Be well friend. Glad to see your summer projects coming around. Looking forward to more.
 
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