Saylor-Beall Rebuild

[jonathan75]

After more looking I finally found another Saylor-Beall for sale local to me. It does not work and is three phase for $500 dollars. The problem is the compressor will not build pressure but they say the tank and motor is fine. Should I try to fix it and make it work with single phase?

I think it is a 707 pump and the model is 755-120. It has a A.O. Smith 10 HP motor and a 120 Gallon tank.

Does anyone know why the pipes are coming out where the filter should be? Is this going to cause me problems?

Thanks for your feedback and help.

 

[930dreamer]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

That looks like the intake, it might be routed outside? I think $500 is too much, cost wise a single phase 7.5-10 hp is going to be $$$. If you stayed with the three phase motor and built a converter you would be ahead of the game if the price was lower. I hear those pumps are great.

 

[jonathan75]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

Do you know why they would route the intake outside? Does it cut down on noise or is just better to have cleaner air? I guess I would need to buy a filter cover intake to replace those pipes.

That looks like the intake, it might be routed outside? I think $500 is too much, cost wise a single phase 7.5-10 hp is going to be $$$. If you stayed with the three phase motor and built a converter you would be ahead of the game if the price was lower. I hear those pumps are great.

 

[Zeke]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

I've seen outside intakes in shops where there is a lot of dust. You'd be surprised at how much air a compressor eats in a day.

 

[930dreamer]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

Have you looked at the compressor in person, seen it operate?

 

[CNGsaves]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

Do you know why they would route the intake outside? Does it cut down on noise or is just better to have cleaner air? I guess I would need to buy a filter cover intake to replace those pipes.

Dirty environment . . . think machine shop with greasy metal shavings floating around in the air!!

Or the other is dust like wood shop, etc. Clean air equals longer filter life and better running compressor.

If you don't even know if it will build pressure, I'd sure beat down the price.

 

[jonathan75]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

I've seen outside intakes in shops where there is a lot of dust. You'd be surprised at how much air a compressor eats in a day.

He told me they rebuild some car parts. It is their backup compressor but they don't want to fix it because it is not enough power for them. So they will rent a backup if the main unit goes down.

Have you looked at the compressor in person, seen it operate?

I have not seen it yet, it is about a hour away from me. But I know it does not build pressure.

Dirty environment . . . think machine shop with greasy metal shavings floating around in the air!!

Or the other is dust like wood shop, etc. Clean air equals longer filter life and better running compressor.

I think this place must be dirty since they do rebuilding of parts.

If you don't even know if it will build pressure, I'd sure beat down the price.

I tried to lower the price over the phone already but no dice. He said it is only day one. But with Saylor-Beall I don't know if I can wait for a lower price or not because I lost the last Craigslist find in less then a day. But he did tell me it works but will not build pressure at all. But he says the tank and motor is good so there must be something wrong with the pump. I just don't know how expensive or hard it will be for me to rebuild myself. If after everything is said and done and I come in under $1000 I would be happy. That means hiring transportation costs, rebuild costs and conversion costs to single phase.

 

[jonathan75]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

Here are some more pictures I have.

 

[mrpizza]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

I wouldn't pay more than 250 for it not building pressure. Needs rings, valves, or all of that and other things. Lots of money.

 

[930dreamer]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

Don't negotiate over the phone, go look at it if your serious. If the pump needs work and you need a single phase motor and you can't haul it yourself you need to pick this up for $200.

 

[G_P]

Its going to cost a small fortune for a single phase 10hp motor and the huge wiring to power it. Also rebuilding the pump won't be cheap either.

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[jonathan75]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

I wouldn't pay more than 250 for it not building pressure. Needs rings, valves, or all of that and other things. Lots of money.

It sounds like it would be a project. I don't mind the labor but just not sure about parts cost.

Don't negotiate over the phone, go look at it if your serious. If the pump needs work and you need a single phase motor and you can't haul it yourself you need to pick this up for $200.

Being it is two hours round trip I wanted to see what people here thought about it first. But I did try to probe on the price a little over the phone. He said he saw someone selling one just like his for $3500. I don't think he will budge yet. I guess I can wait and see. I think new they are $5000 to $7000. But I have seen around $400 to $500 working condition online at some government auctions and such.

 

[jonathan75]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

Its going to cost a small fortune for a single phase 10hp motor and the huge wiring to power it. Also rebuilding the pump won't be cheap either.

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I was thinking about keeping the motor and making my own transformer or using the capacitor method I saw on YouTube. My electrical panel is in my garage and I can do all my own wiring. I can put the compressor right next to the panel so the wire won't be all that much. Actually I pre-wired my house with 220v 30A outlet in the garage for future needs when it was built a little further away from the panel on another wall.

 

[930dreamer]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

I'd want to be in a position to remove that compressor and haul it off, if a deal was made on the spot. Out of sight, out of mind. The $3500 for a great running compressor maybe, this ones not it. Cash is king, may have to wait it out.

Food for thought, a guy wanted $375 for a grinder I called about, I ended up giving him a 30 pack of Bud light and some spare tools I had.

 

[jonathan75]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

I'd want to be in a position to remove that compressor and haul it off, if a deal was made on the spot. Out of sight, out of mind. The $3500 for a great running compressor maybe, this ones not it. Cash is king, may have to wait it out.

Food for thought, a guy wanted $375 for a grinder I called about, I ended up giving him a 30 pack of Bud light and some spare tools I had.

I really need to get a little trailer and hitch for my car. I hate not being able to jump on things and have to beg and borrow for help. It is hard to be in a good negotiating position when you don't have all your ducks in a row.

 

[metal4130]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

Another good looking compressor, that's identical to my compressor. I would pay nowhere near $500 for that compressor. The fact is if it doesn't build pressure then it really isn't a working compressor. That's like buying a car that starts but doesn't drive and calling it working.

You can run that pump on a 5-10HP motor if you choose. To purchase Saylor Beall parts it will cost you a lot of money. Sounds like a valve problem at the least.

I don't think there are people knocking down the door to purchase a 23 year old compressor that doesn't work. A three phase at that too.

I agree that $250 is more reasonable.

 

[930dreamer]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

I really need to get a little trailer and hitch for my car. I hate not being able to jump on things and have to beg and borrow for help. It is hard to be in a good negotiating position when you don't have all your ducks in a row.

Where are you located, maybe someone on the GJ could help you out?

 

[jonathan75]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

Another good looking compressor, that's identical to my compressor. I would pay nowhere near $500 for that compressor. The fact is if it doesn't build pressure then it really isn't a working compressor. That's like buying a car that starts but doesn't drive and calling it working.

You can run that pump on a 5-10HP motor if you choose. To purchase Saylor Beall parts it will cost you a lot of money. Sounds like a valve problem at the least.

I don't think there are people knocking down the door to purchase a 23 year old compressor that doesn't work. A three phase at that too.

I agree that $250 is more reasonable.

It is good to know you have one. If I do end up getting it you may be able to offer some good tips. How quiet is yours? Is yours also a A.O. Motor? I think this one was made in 1996. It is really hard to tell by the pictures. It looks more like 1896 on the tank build year but I know it can't be that old.

Where are you located, maybe someone on the GJ could help you out?

Actually that is the only reason I have not put my location in my profile. I want help but not too much help. After reading some old threads I have seen the kind of help you can get if someone is local to you. And many times it involves the helper hauling it to their garage. hahaha Craigslist deals can get competitive.

 

[metal4130]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

Yes, your right it is a 1996 I thought I saw 1990 on the tank tag but the pump serial number confirms it is a 96. Mine came with a Leroy Somers 10HP 3 phase which I believe was not the original motor. I'm wiring the garage to handle the extra load but I will be installing a 7.5HP Baldor single phase. The pump is very quiet. Also keep in mind that that thing is 900 pounds so it will be hard to move.

 

[zcar751]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

The tank is worth 300 - 350. The motor is about useless for your application. You could run it on single phase with a PLC but you will probably need a 50 Amp circuit. The pump probably isn't repairable other wise they wouldn't be getting rid of it. Your looking at $650 or better for a replacement pump.

 

[jonathan75]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

Yes, your right it is a 1996 I thought I saw 1990 on the tank tag but the pump serial number confirms it is a 96. Mine came with a Leroy Somers 10HP 3 phase which I believe was not the original motor. I'm wiring the garage to handle the extra load but I will be installing a 7.5HP Baldor single phase. The pump is very quiet. Also keep in mind that that thing is 900 pounds so it will be hard to move.

The tank is worth 300 - 350. The motor is about useless for your application. You could run it on single phase with a PLC but you will probably need a 50 Amp circuit. The pump probably isn't repairable other wise they wouldn't be getting rid of it. Your looking at $650 or better for a replacement pump.

Here is where I am at now. He will drop the price $200 dollars if I take it without the motor. He says he has a use around the plant for the 3 phase motor. So what I am left with is a broken pump and a good tank and will need to buy a single phase motor. How much are used motors usually? Is $300 low enough to buy it now even it is broken with no motor?

Thanks,
Jonathan

 

[930dreamer]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

If you don't get the motor, You'll need a motor pulley also $$. I'd rather have everything. A 7.5 hp motor new from Grainger's starts at $850 and goes up, used motors will need to be sourced. You might be better off finding a single phase 240v compressor.

 

[jonathan75]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

If you don't get the motor, You'll need a motor pulley also $$. I'd rather have everything. A 7.5 hp motor new from Grainger's starts at $850 and goes up, used motors will need to be sourced. You might be better off finding a single phase 240v compressor.

I wish this was simpler. This is starting to look worse and worse. Can I use the pulley off the old motor if the spindle size is the same or use an adapter if it is not?

 

[jonathan75]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

Yes, your right it is a 1996 I thought I saw 1990 on the tank tag but the pump serial number confirms it is a 96. Mine came with a Leroy Somers 10HP 3 phase which I believe was not the original motor. I'm wiring the garage to handle the extra load but I will be installing a 7.5HP Baldor single phase. The pump is very quiet. Also keep in mind that that thing is 900 pounds so it will be hard to move.

Could you tell me more about your setup? Did you buy the motor already and did you have to buy a pulley as well? How much is the motor you are looking at or purchased?

 

[Zrexxer]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

He said he saw someone selling one just like his for $3500.

Nobody is getting $3500 for a broken compressor, and...

But he did tell me it works but will not build pressure at all.

It's an air compressor. if it's not building pressure, it's not working, it's BROKEN.

The seller is hoping for a sucker. Don't be that guy.

 

[jonathan75]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

Nobody is getting $3500 for a broken compressor, and...

It's an air compressor. if it's not building pressure, it's not working, it's BROKEN.

The seller is hoping for a sucker. Don't be that guy.

Now is $300 but I don't know how much it would cost me to get it running again. Guess it depends on what it takes to fix it and find a single phase motor.

 

[jonathan75]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

I got more info again. He found the air filters on the outside of the building. They were already put in the dumpster but he said I could dig them out. He also pulled the motor belt cover off and the pump spins freely with no resistance. Also the motor pulley is bent and does not spin true with a wobble to it. Since the pump has no resistance what is the most likely is wrong with it? I want to try to get an idea if it is fixable or a lost cause. Why would the pulley be bent and with a wobble? Any hypothesis to the event that could cause this?

We are now down to $250 over the phone alone. In person I might be able to get to $200. Not sure if this is a go or no go.

 

[jonathan75]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

Well thanks for everyone's help. I just got off the phone with Saylor-Beall themselves and they told me to run away and run away screaming. He said it was a 900 pound boat anchor and not worth the expense to repair. He estimated it would cost around $1500 to fix it with all the parts it sounded like it needed. So the search goes on. It is too bad I missed out on the working one I found in March for $375. I couldn't find a ride fast enough and missed out on that one. But I will wait it out and keep looking.

 

[metal4130]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

Could you tell me more about your setup? Did you buy the motor already and did you have to buy a pulley as well? How much is the motor you are looking at or purchased?

Sounds like you made up your mind but I will still answer your questions. I bought my 7.5HP motor from a company called Williamson Electric. They sell on eBay all the time and the prices are impossible to beat. A 5HP would cost you $329 shipped and I got my 7.5HP for $600 shipped off of eBay. I also had to buy the motor pulley which I also got from eBay. The pulley is a 2 piece unit so you have to buy the “bushing” then the pulley itself. Both together are about $40.

For $200 I think it would be an okay purchase. I think the tank alone is worth that much. I have found with industrial compressors that about 80% of the time you will have to buy a single phase motor anyways. The fact you can get $200 for the 3 phase is a good deal. Used 3 phase motors are a dime a dozen and are just about worthless in many cases.

The pump is really a mixed bag. It could be a pretty simple problem like the valves or it could be a bit more complex. In any case I would want to at least hear the pump run to listen for any knocks or anything unusual. When you turn the pump over by hand you want to hear these weird loud noises that I guess sound like the noises a donkey makes in a way. That is the air passing over the valves. If you don’t hear those noises then it would mean you have valve problems.

 

[CNGsaves]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

Well thanks for everyone's help. I just got off the phone with Saylor-Beall themselves and they told me to run away and run away screaming. He said it was a 900 pound boat anchor and not worth the expense to repair. He estimated it would cost around $1500 to fix it with all the parts it sounded like it needed. So the search goes on. It is too bad I missed out on the working one I found in March for $375. I couldn't find a ride fast enough and missed out on that one. But I will wait it out and keep looking.

What specific parts were quoted for $1500 as that sounds crazy.

Worst case broken rod, possibly piston. Let's go with broken rod, then rings, bearings, and valves. How could that be $1500 ?? Now if that price includes a new single phase motor, then maybe part of that, but I'm not seeing $1500 unless you have to gut everything.

Not sure you should run away just yet as price is in freefall.

Offer him $150 as the tank and compressor parts alone are worth more than that. Scrap for the 3 phase motor has to be something too.

This COULD be a great learning experience if you're willing to get dirty.

 

[930dreamer]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

You could always part it out?

 

[jonathan75]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

What specific parts were quoted for $1500 as that sounds crazy.

Worst case broken rod, possibly piston. Let's go with broken rod, then rings, bearings, and valves. How could that be $1500 ?? Now if that price includes a new single phase motor, then maybe part of that, but I'm not seeing $1500 unless you have to gut everything.

Not sure you should run away just yet as price is in freefall.

Offer him $150 as the tank and compressor parts alone are worth more than that. Scrap for the 3 phase motor has to be something too.

This COULD be a great learning experience if you're willing to get dirty.

I got it down to scrap value. He has a scale and will charge me 10 cents per pound. Now I just need to find a ride.

You could always part it out?

 

[930dreamer]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

Keep us posted, I think it's a great compressor and might be able to be saved. Are you buying it all?

 

[jonathan75]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

Keep us posted, I think it's a great compressor and might be able to be saved. Are you buying it all?

He is keeping the motor. I might be able to talk him out of it but I probably can't use it anyway. One of my neighbors will let me borrow their trailer and I will buy a hitch from Uhaul in the morning and install it. I will keep you all updated with pictures.

 

[metal4130]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

For 10 cents a pound I would think no more than 80 bucks without the motor. Make sure to drain the tank so your not paying for water! Thats a good price and I don't think you will go wrong buying it. Here is a good thread about the 707 pump. Best of luck I hope you get it tomorrow.


http://forum.ih8mud.com/tools-fabrication/628193-saylor-beall-745-80-rebuild.html

 

[9GUY9]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

I am in the process of rebuilding a asian clone of a 707 pump. Shop around there is a big difference in parts prices.

If it makes you feel any better I paid way more than you did for a fake saylor beall with a useless 3ph motor.

I am on the fence if I will replace the 10hp 3 phase with a 10hp or 7.5hp single phase motor. I have been told single phase 10hp motors pull so much current they are a bit of a fire hazard and suffer a short life.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-HP-215T-...146?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f166b76ba

 

[jonathan75]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

Sounds like you made up your mind but I will still answer your questions. I bought my 7.5HP motor from a company called Williamson Electric. They sell on eBay all the time and the prices are impossible to beat. A 5HP would cost you $329 shipped and I got my 7.5HP for $600 shipped off of eBay. I also had to buy the motor pulley which I also got from eBay. The pulley is a 2 piece unit so you have to buy the “bushing” then the pulley itself. Both together are about $40.

For $200 I think it would be an okay purchase. I think the tank alone is worth that much. I have found with industrial compressors that about 80% of the time you will have to buy a single phase motor anyways. The fact you can get $200 for the 3 phase is a good deal. Used 3 phase motors are a dime a dozen and are just about worthless in many cases.

The pump is really a mixed bag. It could be a pretty simple problem like the valves or it could be a bit more complex. In any case I would want to at least hear the pump run to listen for any knocks or anything unusual. When you turn the pump over by hand you want to hear these weird loud noises that I guess sound like the noises a donkey makes in a way. That is the air passing over the valves. If you don’t hear those noises then it would mean you have valve problems.

Thank you for all the information. I will check the sources you provided for a new motor. When I run the pump by hand it only makes a hissing sound. There is air leaking out of what looks like a pressure release valve.

For 10 cents a pound I would think no more than 80 bucks without the motor. Make sure to drain the tank so your not paying for water! Thats a good price and I don't think you will go wrong buying it. Here is a good thread about the 707 pump. Best of luck I hope you get it tomorrow.


http://forum.ih8mud.com/tools-fabrication/628193-saylor-beall-745-80-rebuild.html

You were right on the money! I paid exactly $80 bucks. And thank you for that great link.

I am in the process of rebuilding a asian clone of a 707 pump. Shop around there is a big difference in parts prices.

If it makes you feel any better I paid way more than you did for a fake saylor beall with a useless 3ph motor.

I am on the fence if I will replace the 10hp 3 phase with a 10hp or 7.5hp single phase motor. I have been told single phase 10hp motors pull so much current they are a bit of a fire hazard and suffer a short life.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-HP-215T-...146?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f166b76ba

Are the parts for the clones the same as for the real one? Is it okay to get aftermarket parts for this? Do you have any links you can share with part sources? I think I will go with the 7.5 HP motor.

 

[jonathan75]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

Thank you everyone for your feedback. I just now got back in the house after a very full day of nothing but air compressor related work. It started at 7am at Uhaul to pick up a tow bar for my car and ended at 11pm after putting together a engine lift I picked up at Harbor Freight to get the thing off the utility trailer.

After I finally got the tow bar installed and the electrical issues worked out for the lights I was on my way. I must say that towing a utility trailer on a Toyota Camry is not easy. I felt like I was really pushing it but I made the commitment and was not going to give up. After a very scary drive over a hour away I got the unit loaded with a fork lift. I could not get the air filters out of the dumpster because I was running out of time to go hunting for it in their huge industrial dumpster.

When I got back home I spoke to my Jeep neighbor to get some advice on how to get it off. Finally I figured out the best way to do it would be to buy an engine lift and get it off the bed and pull the trailer out from under it and wheel it into my garage. But I will need to use the winch on my neighbors Jeep to pull it closer to gate so the boom can reach.

As for the compressor I think there is a possibility I got very lucky. It is possible that it did not hold air because of a damaged pressure release valve on the top. When I run the pump by hand everything runs smooth and I hear hissing air coming out of this valve. If it only needs a single phase motor and a valve I will be in luck. But it needs a very good cleaning very bad. It might rain a little in the morning on it but I don't think I need to worry. There is so much grease on that thing that I believe it will act like a water proof cover.

So tomorrow I will get it in my garage and play with it some more.

 

[Zrexxer]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

Dude, at $500 that thing was a pig in a poke... but at $80 I don't see how you can lose. You done good!

 

[jonathan75]

Re: Should I buy this Saylor-Beall?

Dude, at $500 that thing was a pig in a poke... but at $80 I don't see how you can lose. You done good!

Thank you. I had to invest $200 for a tow bar and $180 for a engine lift and lifting strap also but at least those I have future use for. I hope it wont take much more to get it running.