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Scissors and Shears: Anyone but Me Appreciate Them?

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So, I have a growing fondness of scissors and shears. I began to realize I needed a GOOD set of scissors for paper cutting and delicate work so I picked up a set of Shozoburo scissors from Japan. Not cheap but perfect in every way.

Then I found myself picking of very old Wiss scissors and some German scissors--still sharp but in need of a little TLC. the lady I had bought them from was into clothes making for thirty years. One thing I've noticed with good scissors is that rather than riveted together at the fulcrum they have a bolt for adjustment and tear down.

Am I the only one with this perculiar taste?
 
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I like good scissors too. The trouble for me is finding a pair that are actally left handed and not right handed scissors with left handed grips. Been thinking about a pair of the nice ones they stock at JoAnn's. The lady in the store called them the Snap-On of scissors! Not quite that much markup but I see her point.
 

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I have been lucky last couple years. Bought a japan set from a neighbor getting rid of stuff, and found a few sets bundled together that were used for professional hair-cutting at the flea market...$3.

the mystery to me is how to properly sharpen any of them. Anyone have decent tips or suggestions to properly sharpen quality scissors?
 

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To sharpen my scissors, I take a long piece of heavy duty aluminum foil and cut into it numerous times to sharpen them. I'm sure someone here has a better method though.
 

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At swap meets I will generally pick up tinsnips and see if they are nice. (Nice meaning they feel right, have a good scissory action, are a good brand or a shape I don't have, or just need to be rescued. Or if they say PEXTO on them.) Nice ones come home with me.

I think I probably have 15 snips. I even use them occasionally. To put them back into good condition I generally remove the screw and clean off the rust with a bit of steel wool and WD-40 as lubricant, or water and Barkeeper's Friend cleanser if they are really rusty. Then stand them edge down perpendicular to the sharpening stone, tilt them over to match the original grind angle (30 degrees or so) and sharpen just that narrow edge until it isn't nicked or rounded anymore. The big flat parts of the blade do not get sharpened, maybe just lapped a little to remove any nicks and maybe even up the wear which tends to be worse around the pivot. Then reassemble and rub lovingly with light machine oil. Big steel snips should be loose enough they are easy to open and close.... mine are sharp enough to cut paper easily if the screw is tight but I generally leave enough slack so paper just flops over and doesn't quite cut.... they will cut light metal flashing and thicker quite easily.

Nothing quite so satisfying as rescuing some unloved snips. Takes maybe 15 minutes.
 

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So, I have a growing fondness of scissors and shears. I began to realize I needed a GOOD set of scissors for paper cutting and delicate work so I picked up a set of Shozoburo scissors from Japan. Not cheap but perfect in every way.

Then I found myself picking of very old Wiss scissors and some German scissors--still sharp but in need of a little TLC. the lady I had bought them from was into clothes making for thirty years. One thing I've noticed with good scissors is that rather than riveted together at the fulcrum they have a bolt for adjustment and tear down.

Am I the only one with this perculiar taste?

You're not alone. There are two styles of bolt adjustments. The good ones use a nut that keys into the blade with the bolt, so that the pivoting action of the handles doesn't cause it to loosen. If it's missing that feature, I usually prefer the rivet to just a plain screw.

I'm quite partial to older shears with forged bodies and inlaid cutting steel edges. I was so happy when I picked up four pairs of Wiss 20's at a yard sale a couple of years ago. They restored beautifully, and work better than anything I can find in the stores today. My favorites are a pair of Compton U-Set.

I like good scissors too. The trouble for me is finding a pair that are actally left handed and not right handed scissors with left handed grips. Been thinking about a pair of the nice ones they stock at JoAnn's. The lady in the store called them the Snap-On of scissors! Not quite that much markup but I see her point.

Some of the left handed people I know, learned to use righty scissors in their left hand, so they prefer that style. I really don't understand why, since with the blades reversed, you lose sight of the cutting line.

I've picked up two pairs of these over the past few years for around $7 each (they come up from time to time really cheap, and I find them every bit as good as a Gingher):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mundial-Cla...maker-Shears-Scissors-871-8-New-/222593215210

I know that Wiss and Gingher both make forged true left handed shears. And if you like the silky feel of Japanese shears, Kai makes them too.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KAI-8-75-Er...095025?hash=item58d6b1bef1:g:ei0AAOSwUuFW1i04

As for what's at JoAnns, I thought they stock Fiskars. They used to make a left handed offset model with red handles (instead of their trademark orange). Personally, I'm not a fan of their stuff, and since they've moved production to China, I like it even less now.

...the mystery to me is how to properly sharpen any of them. Anyone have decent tips or suggestions to properly sharpen quality scissors?

That depends on their construction.

Generally, it is safe to start with a fine knife sharpening steel. You can gently rub the cylindrical part of the steel (don't use the tapering part at the tip, because shears are hollow ground and you don't want to be messing with the hollow) along the innerside of the blades to level out any burrs. And then flat against the angle of the cutting edge. That's the best way to push back any burrs created from cutting something too hard (i.e. a point where the blades stick together as they're closed).

Modern shears stamped from sheet steel (Japanese or Fiskars) are pretty hard, so you may need to resort to a ceramic or diamond hone for sharpening.

Older Wiss shears are soft enough to be sharpened with a fine mill file.

The secret is in knowing when they need sharpening, and when they just need adjustment. If the blades are bent out of shape, they'll still fail to cut, but sharpening can just make them worse.
 

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I cant even remember the last time I sharpened a tool. When I was a kid it was a big deal, had stones around, today we use disposable stuff, 5$ scissors till someone ruins them and do 95% of the cutting with razor knives. I tossed a couple sets of shears and bought 2 new av types with red handles. A metal cut of any consequence would be done plasma or power shear.
 
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I have been lucky last couple years. Bought a japan set from a neighbor getting rid of stuff, and found a few sets bundled together that were used for professional hair-cutting at the flea market...$3.

the mystery to me is how to properly sharpen any of them. Anyone have decent tips or suggestions to properly sharpen quality scissors?

Do they have a removable pivot pin? Either way, if you want, send 'em to me and I'll do them for free. You'll be able to shave with them when I'm done.
 

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Some of the left handed people I know, learned to use righty scissors in their left hand, so they prefer that style. I really don't understand why, since with the blades reversed, you lose sight of the cutting line.

I've picked up two pairs of these over the past few years for around $7 each (they come up from time to time really cheap, and I find them every bit as good as a Gingher):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mundial-Cla...maker-Shears-Scissors-871-8-New-/222593215210

I know that Wiss and Gingher both make forged true left handed shears. And if you like the silky feel of Japanese shears, Kai makes them too.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/KAI-8-75-Er...095025?hash=item58d6b1bef1:g:ei0AAOSwUuFW1i04

As for what's at JoAnns, I thought they stock Fiskars. They used to make a left handed offset model with red handles (instead of their trademark orange). Personally, I'm not a fan of their stuff, and since they've moved production to China, I like it even less now.

I think learning to use righty scissors is more of a necessity during childhood than anything else. I can cut with either hand and do a passable job either way but cutting with a pair of scissors that are actually meant for use in my dominant hand is much less frustrating.

And Gingher is the brand I was thinking of at JoAnn's. They keep them in a locked dis play case next to the Fiskars stock. They look very well made and I do want to give them a try. Get a pair and keep them locked up for my use alone!
 

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I pick up every pair of USA or German made scissors I find as well as th Wiss and many rebrands of the Midwest snips I find for a buck or 2.
I have never learned to sharpen them,but I did hit a pair yesterday with a glass rod that we remove from old 1000 watt HPS light bulbs. Works great as a hone for knives also.
I do not feel they make scissors like they use to!
 

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...And Gingher is the brand I was thinking of at JoAnn's. They keep them in a locked dis play case next to the Fiskars stock. They look very well made and I do want to give them a try. Get a pair and keep them locked up for my use alone!

The Fiskars tailors shears JoAnn has tied to the cutting table by me are first rate, but I've never seen a pair of that quality sold anywhere.

Years ago, Gingher deserved to command a premium for using high quality German steel. My own Gingher shears (I have two pairs) were from a more recent time when the company was in trouble, and moved much production to Mexico. Since then, Fiskars bought out Gingher and production is now mostly in Brazil or Italy. Many people complain that the quality has dropped with the moves. For my part, my knife edge shears never miss a thread, which is all I can ask of them, but they never get used on anything but clean fabric either.

Anyway, with all the offshoring, I don't understand why Gingher commands a higher price than Mundial for example, which puts out a nearly indistinguishable product.

In any case, if you're looking for Gingher, look on eBay. Prices will often be well less than half of what the stores are asking. My guess is that's because these shears sit on the shelf for years.

I pick up every pair of USA or German made scissors I find as well as th Wiss and many rebrands of the Midwest snips I find for a buck or 2.
I have never learned to sharpen them,but I did hit a pair yesterday with a glass rod that we remove from old 1000 watt HPS light bulbs. Works great as a hone for knives also.
I do not feel they make scissors like they use to!

The "glass" in HPS bulbs is the same type of ceramic often used in sharpening crock sticks.

As for not making them like they used to, yeah, they do. But check out the price of a real pair of Wiss forged shears, and you'll understand why stores don't bother to stock them.
 

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I can totally respect your appreciation for a good pair of scissors. I was lucky enough to get mine out of my wife's grandfather's print shop before they sold it. Before then I was planning on buying a good pair of Weiss.
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After I get a new pair of scissors, I usually sharpen them with a stone if they are hardened, and a number 2Nicholson smoothing file if they are not. A few swipes of the file, and they are good as new.


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I have a large pair of Inlaid Compton U Set scissors that I think came from my Grandma-In-Laws upholstery shop. They are beefy and very sharp. I have a smaller pair of Compton's that need a little TLC. I grab good scissors at Estate Sales when possible.

I too am a broken lefty. I use righty scissors in my left hand and I do it so instinctively that I don't know what I'd do if I had a pair of good "lefty" scissors. I never thought of actually buying a pair of lefty scissors - go figure.

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Anyone looking for a great set of scissors/ shears should take a look at the Klein's. They're really nice, not cheap like some of the others but well worth it.



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Anyone looking for a great set of scissors/ shears should take a look at the Klein's. They're really nice, not cheap like some of the others but well worth it.



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That's another model where the good stuff isn't in stores. Home Depot by me carries their "free fall" electrician's snips, and I have a pair. They're decent.

But for the same price on Amazon, you can get the stainless version of these that are far better (I know, because I own both).

Anyway, the Kleins that are forged in the USA are worthwhile. They import stuff, but I wouldn't touch it.
 
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That's another model where the good stuff isn't in stores. Home Depot by me carries their "free fall" electrician's snips, and I have a pair. They're decent.

But for the same price on Amazon, you can get the stainless version of these that are far better (I know, because I own both).

Anyway, the Kleins that are forged in the USA are worthwhile. They import stuff, but I wouldn't touch it.

After my search for older, high quality scissors turned up nothing but worn out and beat up junk, I finally got lucky and scored 2 pair of new in package Heritage 208LR made in USA scissors at a used tool store. Looks like they were bought out by Klein. I ended up giving one pr to my mom, and the other pr is my "nice" set for home use. They aren't too pricy and I like em.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BNTKF0M/?tag=atomicindus08-20
 

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My grandfather was a printer. He owned and published the local newspaper, as well as contract printing like business cards, wedding invitations and stuff like that. He retired and closed the shop in the early 90's, and sold most of his printing equipment. He kept some of the smaller stuff; typecases, workbenches, gilloutine paper shears, stuff like that.

He also kept a bunch of scissors and hand shears. Cutting a large variety of paper and cardstock, he had a good selection of nice old scissors. When he and Grandma sold the house, I ended up with some of the scissors. I'll try to find all of them and grab some pictures.

I also am painfully reminded of the time in my childhood when I borrowed my moms gingher cloth scissors when I went fishing, cuz they cut fishing line soooo nice. And I managed to flip the rowboat. I had to go snorkeling in the lake to find them for at least 2 hours. Good news is she didn't find out. Bad news is I lost a bunch of fishing gear. But I got the scissors I wasn't allowed to use!

So, yes. I have a special appreciation for nice scissors.
 

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I'm fond of a pair of tin snips I got for free at a flea market a few years back. Dull as heck, but a little careful hand work with a stone, and you can cut paper with them. :)
 

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Anyone looking for a great set of scissors/ shears should take a look at the Klein's. They're really nice, not cheap like some of the others but well worth it.



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I'm not sure if it's still the same but Klein used to be rebadged fiskars. Back when I was active in the field I always had a pair of telephone scissors in my bag for com wire. Hell they were about the only thing that could repeatedly cut the Kevlar stranding in certain types of fiber cable.
 

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+1 on buying good scissors at garage sales, I have 4 or 5 pair now that I have learned how to sharpen (well, still learning, but they work pretty good).
 

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It doesn't take much to sharpen any pair of scissors, I can just go over them with a needle file and they're like new in 30 seconds. So I haven't looked for a "good" pair, as long as they don't fall apart.
 

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I'll admit to abusing any pair of scissors I've ever owned. Now a days I get the free pair from HF when I have a coupon.Kind of like reading glasses I've got a pair in both my vehicles and others scattered around the house.

The handles leave a lot to be desired, but they cut very well. Plus...for free, I don't worry when I grab them to cut something I probably shouldn't. :D

https://www.harborfreight.com/multipurpose-scissors-60274.html
 

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I love them too. I have a few very old Heinisch tailor's shears that I use in the shop. Heinisch was the predecessor to Wiss, in NJ. Some for paper, some for plastic/fabric sheeting and the big ones for brass shim stock and the like. This is an old photo, and no scale reference, but these things are BIG and HEAVY. The large pair at the top is about 15" long, and I don't think they were meant to be picked up and used, but run along a tailor's bench when cutting patterns out of large fabric bolts. The laminated steel blades are great, too.

I have since cleaned and repainted the bigger two of these, and use them all the time. We have a large set in the house too, for use as regular house scissors.

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I love them too. I have a few very old Heinisch tailor's shears that I use in the shop. Heinisch was the predecessor to Wiss, in NJ. Some for paper, some for plastic/fabric sheeting and the big ones for brass shim stock and the like. This is an old photo, and no scale reference, but these things are BIG and HEAVY. The large pair at the top is about 15" long, and I don't think they were meant to be picked up and used, but run along a tailor's bench when cutting patterns out of large fabric bolts. The laminated steel blades are great, too.

I have since cleaned and repainted the bigger two of these, and use them all the time. We have a large set in the house too, for use as regular house scissors.

Matt

Oooooooh, ahhhhhh! Those are beauties. Yes, exactly, top top pair were made to run along the bench.

IIRC, Wiss was an apprentice of Heinisch, who ended up a competitor that eventually bought out the competition.
 
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You guys see these?

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Made by Engineer, who makes the Neiji-saurus pliers (also rebadged as Vampliers).

Just picked up a pair from eBay, shipped from Japan, showed up late last week.
 
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Your thread is officially commandeered by the NOT RIGHT among us.

I like good scissors too. The trouble for me is finding a pair that are actally left handed and not right handed scissors with left handed grips. Been thinking about a pair of the nice ones they stock at JoAnn's. The lady in the store called them the Snap-On of scissors! Not quite that much markup but I see her point.

http://www.joann.com/gingher-8in-left-handed-bent-trimmer-shears/1782713.html

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000UU6NXI/?tag=atomicindus08-20
is Snap-On usually more than 250% over retail?

I don't do a lot of fabric anything, but these are on my list as I am all about lefty stuff.

Between the Kai 7000 and the Fiskars orange I am pretty well equipped in true leftys. The scissors I use most are a 4 pack of Huskys 'titanium coated' that I think are discontinued now. For the $8 or whatever those are really nice scissors and cut well enough to use left handed even while not needing to be true lefty.

what make scissors true lefty is the same thing that makes the 3 types of tin snips work, it's all a matter of which side of your cut is line vs the 'cut off' except with tin snips your sheet curls toward you attempting to maim, while fabric and such don't have such a dangerous tendency. I have a **** pair of scissors I use to cut paper, I use them upside down.

The scissors that come with the JA Henckels (the twin logo made in Germany, not the single man made wherever) kitchen knife sets are surprisingly one of the best scissors I have used for any purpose.
 
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You guys see these?

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Made by Engineer, who makes the Neiji-saurus pliers (also rebadged as Vampliers).

Just picked up a pair from eBay, shipped from Japan, showed up late last week.

I have a set of those along with a similar set of Betas. They are great for cutting sandpaper, scotch-brite pads--anything abrasive. Both have proven tough. I also have a set of older Victorinox scissors that came with a knife. Very sharp and great on gasket material.

My other scissors are strictly for paper or fabric. I'll have to post some pics as most of them are ready for restoration to begin.
 
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Your thread is officially commandeered by the NOT RIGHT among us.



http://www.joann.com/gingher-8in-left-handed-bent-trimmer-shears/1782713.html

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000UU6NXI/?tag=atomicindus08-20
is Snap-On usually more than 250% over retail?

I don't do a lot of fabric anything, but these are on my list as I am all about lefty stuff.

Between the Kai 7000 and the Fiskars orange I am pretty well equipped in true leftys. The scissors I use most are a 4 pack of Huskys 'titanium coated' that I think are discontinued now. For the $8 or whatever those are really nice scissors and cut well enough to use left handed even while not needing to be true lefty.

what make scissors true lefty is the same thing that makes the 3 types of tin snips work, it's all a matter of which side of your cut is line vs the 'cut off' except with tin snips your sheet curls toward you attempting to maim, while fabric and such don't have such a dangerous tendency. I have a **** pair of scissors I use to cut paper, I use them upside down.

The scissors that come with the JA Henckels (the twin logo made in Germany, not the single man made wherever) kitchen knife sets are surprisingly one of the best scissors I have used for any purpose.

Seki Cut, Seki Edge, Kassiki, and Shozaburo have lefty scissors. They aren't cheap unless you can find a used set.
 

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Funny, I balk at paying over $20 for a good home use shears but expect to spend around $100 for decent surgical scissors to use at my veterinary clinic. Can easily go up from that for really nice ones. Good scissors for our dog groomer run $60-120. As in many tools as you become more specialized and particular you quickly increase your price for what is considered "decent". We have a mobile sharpening service stop in once a month and sharpen clipper blades and and grooming scissors. My surgical instruments get sent to a specialized surgical instrument company.
 

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...They are great for cutting sandpaper, scotch-brite pads--anything abrasive. ...

Believe it or not, cutting sandpaper tends to leave shears sharper than how they started.

What kills the edge most quickly is cutting tough stuff like kevlar.
 
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