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"Sears and me: A debt that's impossible to repay"

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You are not accounting for the fact that as Sears goes down the drain, the quality of Craftsman tools has kept pace and is now the worst quality from China. If you are OK with what they currently sell go to Harbor Freight and save quite a bit, to boot. There is a whole bunch of stuff between Cman and the tool trucks. Brands like Tekton, Sunnex, and Gearwrench are reasonably priced altenatives. SK or Wright are high quality, Made in USA , cheaper than the tool trucks but may be out of your price range. Having a sentimental attachment to old Craftsman tools is fine but what they are selling now is over priced, pure ****. When they go under, hopefully, something more useful will take their space in the mall

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I have seen what HF has and they do have some stuff I might eventually get but I am not running to the store to get it. I have some tools from the brands you mention and unless I was on the wrenching line of work, I would chase the tool trucks, but the pawn shops usually have some of those overprices brands and that is what I am currently focusing on.
 
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I also have fond memories of looking through the huge catalog that would come every year. I could spend hours looking through page after page of their wide assortment of tools, sporting goods, and other stuff of wonder. What for many decades was an American icon does seem to be about to see the sun set on its enormous empire.

If it does make a turnaround (unlikely), it will be very slow in coming. They have reported to shareholders losses 24 out of the last 28 quarters, according to the chart.

The stock chart tells you everything you need to know about the direction Sears is headed, regardless of the corporate mumbo-jumbo. The red line at the bottom is zero.
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^ that right there.

The author should have realized he was thanking nice people who happened to work at Sears, not the company. Nostalgia, sentimentality, all that stuff are not my strong suit. Whatever good the managers of that local Sears did in helping their employees to show him kindness and sandwiches and such, that's great and all but most likely it was just simply nice people being nice to kids who needed it.

Sears overall is not beyond saving. Most of us who have a connection with them, read this article and posted comments here could probably turn it around even at its current state. Hell this forum is full of free advice Sears could use right now if they wanted to and would put them on the path to being around another hundred years. But the chart above shows the people whose opinions count see the brands sears owns more valuable than the products it sells.
 

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When Sears goes under it will be a sad day indeed. This is for the older folks that
remember what Sears was back in the day. All the little self important critics will just
have to find someone else to bash. Steve
 

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Sears and Kmart are closing more stores — see if your store is on the list...

... I know mine is, in early 2017

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Sears is shutting down stores to help stem losses from falling sales.

Hmm, I wonder why.

BTW, the stock price hit $8.00 this week. :sad:
 

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Now thats a tool dept.

... with a reasonably sized image. :lol:

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Sears and Kmart are closing more stores — see if your store is on the list...

... I know mine is, in early 2017

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Sears is shutting down stores to help stem losses from falling sales.

Hmm, I wonder why.

BTW, the stock price hit $8.00 this week. :sad:
They ran it into the ground. The current managenent has bled it dry.The down hill reduction of tool quality has been going on for years. The last good stationary tools were in the 50's. They used free replacement as a substitute for quality. Their on line site is a joke, with some items at several times the average street price. If you want Sears current quality at a much better price go to HF. No loss. Good riddance.I don't see anything to be sad about. We bought all our stuff there when I was a kid because we didn't know any better.The radial arm saw,belt sander and drill press were all junk. Now I know there is a whole world of better stuff out there, old and new.

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Very heart warming story.. Sad to see an American icon going down the hole.. And people used to care about people.. Now days everyone is on the phone talking or texting so they really don't see if their fellow human being is in need of help...

Merry Christmas to all

People still care but the biggest issues that I see from then to now is the addition of people that are just out to scam. In years past most people desired to move up the ladder no matter how small the increment was.
I am all for helping people not supporting people.
Worked as tech support for a legal aid firm in NYC that dealt with immigration and housing issues for the poor (lower east side) & the most popular phrase was "What can you get for me!"
 

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I have seen what HF has and they do have some stuff I might eventually get but I am not running to the store to get it.

The interesting thing about a lot of the HF bench/floor tools is they are close to being very good ! Replace a bearing here, finish honing a surface truly flat there. Worse you might need a piece of reinforcement welded/bolted on.
 

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Sears needs to return to it's core business with a modern twist 1940s-1960s catalog sale today = Internet sales and only leave it's stores open in large cities only and also return to quality products and follow on customer service.
HIGH UNLIKELY !

There is no way they come close to competing with Amazon and even the best brick and mortar stores are having problems. Besides, the Sears "brands" (Craftsman, Kenmore, DieHard, etc) have been tarnished, and are not the brands that America wants.
 

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People still care but the biggest issues that I see from then to now is the addition of people that are just out to scam. In years past most people desired to move up the ladder no matter how small the increment was.
I am all for helping people not supporting people.
Worked as tech support for a legal aid firm in NYC that dealt with immigration and housing issues for the poor (lower east side) & the most popular phrase was "What can you get for me!"
That outlook was created by the very people that are "helping" them. The reason recent immigrants are so hard working is they come from places where nobody gave them anything and they had to work for whatever they got. When food is free and cheap housing is provided and medical care and phones are free people get down right nasty when you mess with what they have been told they are entitled to. Eventually so many are in the take and so few are working that the money runs out. Then come the riots. Greece. The smallest percentage of American working age adults that are working is the lowest in recent memory. Forget about the unemployment figures. That is just those that are actually collecting an unemployment check. Stopped looking, benefits ran out, you don't exist. I am not referring to the hard working people that cannot find a job. They are not the ones with an attitude.

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I think we can all relate to the nostalgia from Sears. Some of my first big boy tools were Craftsman. Still have quite a few of them too.

Sears' prime was back when America was great and when the United States had many manufacturing jobs. Sears built their reputation based on quality US made tools, but now mainly offer run of the mill junk. The average consumer shops by price alone which doesn't help either..

Who would go there when Harbor Freight is cheaper for similar items? With a few exceptions in both courts, their hand tools are better quality, have a lifetime warranty, and have the same country of origin to boot.
 

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I like Sears and I liked Montgomery Wards. I have 50 years' worth of tools from both of them. I have a 12" Craftsman radial arm saw (RAS) I bought new in 1979, still working fine, I just sold a 10" one I bought 25 years ago, still working fine. That Craftsman RAS was manufactured in 1969 and I bought it from a friend who no longer needed it.

I have toolboxes full of Craftsman hand tools, I use them regularly. Once in awhile I break something, not very often, and it's always replaced after a trip to the local Sears in Miami FL. I don't see any Miami or Ft. Lauderdale stores listed for closing.

The Christmas catalog for toys was a great dream-book. I used to give my parents a piece of 3-hole notebook paper, listing the toys I desired, w/page numbers and prices.

It was a treat to go to the local Sears or Monkey Wards. My dad never had to ask me twice to go. I still use a 'Power-Kraft 3/8" socket set' my parents got me because I wanted to work on the 1962 VW beetle cabriolet they bought new a few years beore. After 20+ years of abuse, the ratchet finally broke, and I've broken a small socket or two, and lost one, but the bulk of them is still there, doing work. I always think of my parents when I reach for that narrow metal box. It still has a piece of thin cork gasket material sheet I cut to fit into the bottom of the socket box fifty years ago.

I hope they make it.
 
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I had a Craftsman (Emerson Electric) RAS. of that vintage. The box sides of the base were so softly bent that the rails towed in and caused a big sag in the top. The adjustment wedge lock changed blade alignment depending on how hard you locked it. The motor slowed on anything tougher than styrofoam. I had a belt sander of the same vintage and any reasonable belt tension bent the Sears stand. The Sears motor could barely start it without a push and it constantky threw the aluminum motor pulley. The idler roller bearings spun in the casting. My friend's C'man drill press was so light weight that it walked all over the place. They have not sold any decent stationary equipment since the 50's. You can pick up a Craftsman RAS on any CL for next to nothing. The stuff of that vintage was no better than the Chinese stuff they sell today. Since the same imports can be found with other brand names for less, even this stuff is no bargain.The hand tools probably were good for a little longer before they found somebody to make them cheaper. Some people are fans of a brand and their loyalty is unshaken no matter how bad it gets. Plenty of others don't know the difference. I have heard many say I just need home grade tools. It is not just durability when they work like **** from the git go. I never buy home owner tools.

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Wow, that is an awesome story. Thanks for posting. There are parts of it that the author is dead on with. For the most part, I've found the employees who worked the retail stores to be good, hard working people.

It's a shame the business is tanking and taking all of these folks down with it.

Just tonight I was at the Sears in Willowbrook Mall in Wayne, NJ. Of all things, they were remodeling. The store was pretty full for a Thursday night. That said, the demographic was certainly mixed.

The majority of my tool collection came from that store in the early and mid 1990s. You could walk in the entrance by the tool department and spend hours there. Both sides of that main aisle had aisles and aisles of tools. Pretty much everything you could think of. Compressors, tool boxes, hand and power tools. When you walked in the door, the left wall parallel to the mail aisle had to have 50 or 60 feet of 8' tall pegboard with every loose socket you could buy. Wrenches, ratchets, everything. The opposite side of the main aisle was, and still is, mostly power tools.

I was in that store probably 3 months ago, as the wife and I had lunch at the Bahama Breeze across the parking lot, and she needed to stop in another store in the mall. Its really sad how that tool department has declined. It's maybe 20% of what it used to be, and the majority of it is disorganized poor quality overseas made ****. Good luck finding someone to run the register or help you order something.

Sad, really. But it's made my Snap On man a happy camper. :lol_hitti
 

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Christmas 1962...My Father, noting my interest in old cars at age 14, gave me a basic Sears Craftsman 1/2" drive socket set in a Craftsman box. Before that my tool kit was the set that Ford had put in the trunk of my '48 Ford when it was made...so I had one screwdriver, 4 wrenches, no hammer...but I could figure out a way to get to nearly every fastener on the '48. I still have car and all the tools I mentioned!
That Craftsman set was my standby for 3 decades of thrashing on old Fords, with only a few sockets and extensions added. I lost and replaced the 3/4...
It has survived normal use and violently insane use...I once put a 6 foot water pipe over the breaker and undid a big bolt in the junkyard that was tight enough that I lifted myself off the ground. NOTHING from the set has broken, and ratchet is entirely original except for the grease in it.
Up into the 1980's, Sears was my toy store...and as with toy stores of my youth, I looked a LOT more than I bought, because of family, house, kids, and stinking salary.
Then Sears began to slowly ROT. The Popcorn mentioned above was one of the few things in the store I could always afford...and Saturday after Saturday the bin was EMPTY. Not sold out..."Oh, no one made any today!"...thenceforth, it was empty more often than not...and Sears neither fixed that problem nor used the space for any useful activity. Downstairs, if I wanted a 9/16 deep socket, that row in the rack would be empty...for 3 weeks! Why worry about being out of 9/16ths? After all, there were dozens of other shiny sockets in the other rows...
Then the tools began to molt, looked cheaper, China brands started in...
I think it's been close to 10 years since I went into a Sears. I buy tools mostly from the want ads here, since I only like elderly tools anyway now.
Sears is someone else's, or maybe no one's, toy store now, maybe downscale from Walmart. It has somehow unwoven itself from the fabric of American life and become just another, usually badly managed, store.


Wow. What an eloquent and succinct indictment, those two sentences make.
 

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I had a Craftsman (Emerson Electric) RAS. of that vintage. The box sides of the base were so softly bent that the rails towed in and caused a big sag in the top. The adjustment wedge lock changed blade alignment depending on how hard you locked it. The motor slowed on anything tougher than styrofoam. I had a belt sander of the same vintage and any reasonable belt tension bent the Sears stand. The Sears motor could barely start it without a push and it constantky threw the aluminum motor pulley. The idler roller bearings spun in the casting. My friend's C'man drill press was so light weight that it walked all over the place. They have not sold any decent stationary equipment since the 50's. You can pick up a Craftsman RAS on any CL for next to nothing. The stuff of that vintage was no better than the Chinese stuff they sell today. Since the same imports can be found with other brand names for less, even this stuff is no bargain.The hand tools probably were good for a little longer before they found somebody to make them cheaper. Some people are fans of a brand and their loyalty is unshaken no matter how bad it gets. Plenty of others don't know the difference. I have heard many say I just need home grade tools. It is not just durability when they work like **** from the git go. I never buy home owner tools.

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I have that sander , have had no problems, but stand was an older heavy duty craftsman stand, that looks like you had to supply your own wood.
But i did try selling it with out stand and motor for $50.00, and got no interest.
 

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Growing up and going to the mall, sear was always trying to sign you up for a credit card.
Sears was my first credit card, I did’t need it but I used it to build credit. Bought a battery charger first and numerous other tools , all of witch I still have 34 years later,,,,
Also a lot of really fond memories , and a ton of Craftsman tools
Including all my Fathers tools,,��
 

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I can't begin to explain the anticipation and excitement that went thru my head waiting for the Sears Christmas Catalog (Toy & Tool Sections) while growing up in the 1950-60's era.

My family spent more time at Sears then any other store in New Jersey all year long. From toys and Christmas gifts, clothes for the new school year, appliances for the house to tires and batteries for the family station wagons and of course tools for my father.

IMO nothing will ever come close to those days when Sears ruled the retail business. What a great time to grow up. :)
 

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Growing up and going to the mall, sear was always trying to sign you up for a credit card.
Sears was my first credit card, I did’t need it but I used it to build credit. Bought a battery charger first and numerous other tools , all of witch I still have 34 years later,,,,
Also a lot of really fond memories , and a ton of Craftsman tools
Including all my Fathers tools,,��

I forgot that Sears was my first credit card too. I was walking through a Sears store when the credit card signer upper waylaid me. I was in first year university at the time and not working, which was fine. I applied, they gave me a cheap folding umbrella for applying, and a few weeks later I was approved and had the card! My wife (before she was my wife) left my umbrella on a bus a few years later. I still have the card, now that they're gone in Canada, I guess I won't be using it ever again. I can't remember the last time I did.
 

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Growing up and going to the mall, sear was always trying to sign you up for a credit card.
Sears was my first credit card, I did’t need it but I used it to build credit. Bought a battery charger first and numerous other tools , all of witch I still have 34 years later,,,,
Also a lot of really fond memories , and a ton of Craftsman tools
Including all my Fathers tools,,��

My first credit card too. I bought a Kenwood cassette deck and 2 door speakers for my bare bones year old 1994 Toyota pickup that only had an amfm and crappy small factory speakers.

And I proudly bought my first tools -- a few mechanic sets, a screwdriver set (their largest set), and various pliers and misc.. And a large 4 drawer portable box. It was all USA made.

I no longer was at home with my dad's tools available to use.
 

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Sears was the place I could escape to when my wife dragged me to the mall. I hate Eddie Lampert for taking that away from me.

I just grab a coffee at Starbucks and go to GameStop. And our Sears is still open with a full tool section but it's not like it used to be.
 

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Sears became what it was because it offered value and service. No one would use those words to describe Sears today.
 

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Cool article... Seems back in the day many department stores & movie theaters were people's refuge when they needed heat / air conditioning and didn't have it at home.
 

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My memories of Sears run deeper also. I remember my dad worked there at night and weekends while serving in the Marine corp. Mom would take us there to see him and would get to go in through the employee entrance,it seemed like a secret entrance to us kids. Dad passed away a couple of years ago. While us kids were going through his stuff, I came across his "official" Sears tie clip that has "charge it" embossed on it. That's from the time (mid sixty's) when the sales people wore nice pants, shiny shoes, shirts and ties.
 

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I just visited the closest Sears to my house a few weeks ago. The place seemed rather depressing. Picked up a couple of throw-away breaker bars to keep at work.

The problem is they don't really do what any other retailer does better; they are caught right in the middle. The one thing they had going for them, the brands, Craftsman, Kenmore, et al., they (Kmart) has tarnished.

I don't know if they can build it back up, but having worked in retail for the better part of high school, college, and then some more after college, the key would be specialization. That, and the right balance of merchandise quality that people will pay a higher price for, in turn providing a higher margin allowing for hopefully better employees and much improved customer shopping experience. It should be an aspireational shopping experience.

They need to be better than Harbor Freight, Home Depot, Lowes; focus on the stuff that would be too costly to ship with UPS/Fedex/USPS. They should promote the resurgence of the garage as PROPER room of any house. You can go to any other store for stuff for the rest of the house, but if you want stuff for the garage, you go to Sears.
 

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Sears was the place I could escape to when my wife dragged me to the mall. I hate Eddie Lampert for taking that away from me.


Don't blame Eddie. Sears was terminally ill well before Eddie entered the scene. Eddie is just the ambulance chaser.
 
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