David2676
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My shop sits about 100 foot just east of my house within site and WIFI range. I would like to find a security system. something that would alert motion or similar and camera system. Anyone have budget type system.
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PelicanPines
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I’ve been using Arlo 2 and I’m very pleased with them. I have a total of five, on in the garage and one at each corner of the house under the eve and in the bend of the downspout. I can see around the perimeter of the house and see anyone coming down the driveway.
I have this system in my shop. It's a wired system. I ran the wires through the attic, have a camera ceiling mounted inside and outside cameras on the ends. Pretty basic system, continually records and keeps about the last 10 days worth. Have a higher end version of this brand on my house.
Amazon has several Reolink systems that use IP cameras of various resolution. More money gives you better picture. Installed one of these for my in law's to monitor their acreage, works pretty well. Wireless is getting better but wired is still the most reliable option.
Either one allows you to view from the computer or smartphone.
Amazon has several Reolink systems that use IP cameras of various resolution. More money gives you better picture. Installed one of these for my in law's to monitor their acreage, works pretty well. Wireless is getting better but wired is still the most reliable option.
Either one allows you to view from the computer or smartphone.
Denwood
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Have three of their 1080p PTZ cams with local recording to SD. They are not super user friendly with respect to setting up remote access, however once configured have been great.
I have no interest in paid cloud subscriptions so for home use (just a few cams) record video to SD cards, and send jpg images to my web server via Ftp. You can record local, to NAS, ftp to web, or use their cloud. Agree lots of options.
I recently commissioned 2 commercial systems with Lorex POE IP 4K cameras and NVR recorders with 32 channels. Again, setup is a bit flaky with respect to motion activation and motion zones, however both systems have done their job. I had to pull footage twice for police for events occurring outside our buildings and the 4K footage absolutely justifies the extra cost.
In fact, I’d say IP POE and 4K should be prime on your shopping list. Amcrest have these which are 4K, POE and do local recording..pretty hard to beat the price at $100. https://amcrest.com/amcrest-ultrahd...roof-microsd-recording-black-ip8m-2496eb.html
These POE cams can record on their own, or be managed by an NVR recorder. Amcrest has an ios/android app which works fine for live views remotely...once your router has a few ports forwarded, or UPNP enabled.
PTZ cams sound nice, but you’re better off with fixed cams to cover the views you deem important. Most experienced folks will tell you that recording HD or 4K via WIFI is fraught with issues. It is
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BruceMc
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I'll second that. I had 4 Arlo pro cameras outside that I was never happy with. This winter I replaced them with Lorex 4k IP cameras (PoE). Wiring was a bit of a pain in the winter, but there is simply no comparison in either quality (both under low light and resolution) or 24/7 reliability. I moved the Arlos indoors where they cover short ranges and are much better suited.
PALYDIN11
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I use Foscam, Wifi $3.99 month charge, alerts come on the phone.
Denwood
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The other issue with Arlos outdoors is cold weather. Even with the optional solar charger, they will stop working when it gets below -10F or so. This happens all the time here. I've played a lot with recording HD over WIFI from security cameras and it is flaky at best..wired POE is 100% the way to go for the least hassle. If a camera defaults to the secondary stream due to low bandwidth, the result is disappointing resolution.
Remember..4K is cheap enough so that you should not even look at HD cams. 4K really should have a wired POE connection.
I am in the process of looking for security options. I have an alert system on my driveway already, which works really great, but want added security. (Motion/door window sensors, speak through camera/ alarm/ I think Ring is interesting and might pull the trigger this next weekend. No wiring, BUILD IT AS YOU WANT IT, and 10bucks a month for monitoring service sounds pretty good.
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I'll second the Arlo Pro 2 recommendation. I have three watching thee outside of my house and shop plus one on the Up North cottage. It's great to be able to check up on things from my phone, plus get alerts when anything out of the ordinary occurs.
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tdkkart
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We've had 4 Blink cameras for 3-1/2 years. They work reliably, batteries last a long time and they are very reasonably priced. I'd have no issue buying them again.
Have three of their 1080p PTZ cams with local recording to SD. They are not super user friendly with respect to setting up remote access, however once configured have been great.
I have no interest in paid cloud subscriptions so for home use (just a few cams) record video to SD cards, and send jpg images to my web server via Ftp. You can record local, to NAS, ftp to web, or use their cloud. Agree lots of options.
I recently commissioned 2 commercial systems with Lorex POE IP 4K cameras and NVR recorders with 32 channels. Again, setup is a bit flaky with respect to motion activation and motion zones, however both systems have done their job. I had to pull footage twice for police for events occurring outside our buildings and the 4K footage absolutely justifies the extra cost.
In fact, I’d say IP POE and 4K should be prime on your shopping list. Amcrest have these which are 4K, POE and do local recording..pretty hard to beat the price at $100. https://amcrest.com/amcrest-ultrahd...roof-microsd-recording-black-ip8m-2496eb.html
These POE cams can record on their own, or be managed by an NVR recorder. Amcrest has an ios/android app which works fine for live views remotely...once your router has a few ports forwarded, or UPNP enabled.
PTZ cams sound nice, but you’re better off with fixed cams to cover the views you deem important. Most experienced folks will tell you that recording HD or 4K via WIFI is fraught with issues. It is
Thanks for providing more details. I have two of the one you linked, plus older 1080p and 2k PTZ ones, and one much older 1080p without local recording. Some are going on several years without issues.
Amcrest also has a windows app now rather than using the browser view which was always awful due to the plugin and IE only support. The app allows live view of multiple cameras and sync playback of all cameras at once, really quite slick.
Denwood
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I just updated the IP2M-841 PTZ cams with new firmware...the browser plugin is no longer required....but you need to use Chrome. That's ok by me.
Thanks for the windows app tip. I didn't know they had one. These cams are ONVIF compatible so you can use something like the free ONVIF Device Manager as well:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/onvifdm/
Thanks for the windows app tip. I didn't know they had one. These cams are ONVIF compatible so you can use something like the free ONVIF Device Manager as well:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/onvifdm/
Blue XJ
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I also have a Blink system, it has worked very reliably and if you watch sales, they can be had for about $50 a camera. I have two systems, because each system comes with 2 gig of storage, it makes sense to add more cameras by adding a second system to double the storage, the app combines them all into one. My driveway cam gets used a lot and the battery lasted about 6 months, the other cameras are at 8 months on the original batteries still.
PWC Repair
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I have 2 of these....https://www.walmart.com/ip/Night-Ow...VgLD4tRVVUhQJUVGM_OeP-QZdqq5kWkEaAibxEALw_wcB
One on the house which is about 6 years old, and a newer one on the shop. Easy to set up, no fees, motion alert direct to a smart phone, they seem to work great.
One on the house which is about 6 years old, and a newer one on the shop. Easy to set up, no fees, motion alert direct to a smart phone, they seem to work great.
mbryson
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subscribing. Would like a couple of cameras
eastbaysubaru
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I've been using BlueIris Monitoring Software for a few years to monitor all of the cameras we're using. Extremely configurable and all sorts of recording/alert options. I highly recommend it.
-Brian
-Brian
dcg9381
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For "easy" security - I use Wyze also. Super cheap, motion sensing. I also use their door/window sensors tied to alerts on my phone. You won't get something better for less money.
At 100' - you're talking 2.4 GHZ, not 5GHZ. I suspect that you'll need a wifi system that focuses on that area towards the shop. Cameras can eat a lot of bandwidth.
Or you'll need a hard line run with an wi-fi extension in the area...
At 100' - you're talking 2.4 GHZ, not 5GHZ. I suspect that you'll need a wifi system that focuses on that area towards the shop. Cameras can eat a lot of bandwidth.
Or you'll need a hard line run with an wi-fi extension in the area...
BruceMc
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Yeah, they're only rated to -4F and they mean it. If mounted on a wall where they get a little extra warmth from the skin layer you might get to -10F ambient. We've had a cold winter here, with long stretches of -30F to -45F and the IP cams worked flawlessly throughout while the Arlo cameras shut themselves down.
The small, easy to hang wi-fi cameras certainly have their place, but at any distance the images are deceptively bad. It may look really good on a phone, but once you start trying to read a license plate or ID a strange face they are pretty lousy.
Bolson32
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Add a 4th recommendation for Wyze. I also use their bulbs and they're fantastic. I've had two cameras outside in enclosures year round for 3 years in Minnesota with no issues. They're much tougher than they are "rated".
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Sent from my SM-G965U using The Garage Journal mobile app
RamVet
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Add a fifth recommendation for Wyze. Great image, easy to set up and very cost effective. Have three and will likely add another.
Bruce Amacker
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Wyze V2, $22 each
+100
You'll be amazed what a value these are. Wireless, free software, no monthly charge, records and texts you when there's motion.
Denwood
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Wyze 14 day rolling cloud recording free, makes the camera an even better deal Hard to beat $20 for a fixed HD camera...but I'm a 4k convert
Hard to beat $20 for a fixed HD camera...but I'm a 4k convert tdkkart
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Bruce Amacker
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They're working on one but it's not out yet, also working on a doorbell cam. I have mine under eaves where they're out of the rain. Ebay has "weatherproof" enclosures for them. For $20 I'll take a chance...….
eastbaysubaru
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I would only go with POE 4K cameras at this point. Choose the monitoring software you want to use and go for it. POE makes future upgrades super easy.
-Brian
-Brian
Denwood
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I picked up a few of the Amcrest IP8M-2496E 4K Cams. Lens option is 2.8mm. They also sell this with a 4mm lens: IP8M-2496EB-40MM
$109 USD.
Camera is 4K, POE, with SD card/FTP/NAS/Cloud recording. Metal case, nice build. The camera is fairly compact..about 8 inches long including the mount. The camera setup has a lot of options, but very similar to the the older 1080 PTZ cams...I have a few of those as well. Below is an uncompressed .png file (about 5MB) at night from the camera facing our back lane. Truck is about 40ft away:
Click on the pic to enlarge it.
Viewing from the iOS app with the HD option on, you can zoom in easily and read that plate. I was able to play back motion events remotely from the SD card at full resolution as well (3840x2160 resolution @ 10240Kbps)
$109 USD.
Camera is 4K, POE, with SD card/FTP/NAS/Cloud recording. Metal case, nice build. The camera is fairly compact..about 8 inches long including the mount. The camera setup has a lot of options, but very similar to the the older 1080 PTZ cams...I have a few of those as well. Below is an uncompressed .png file (about 5MB) at night from the camera facing our back lane. Truck is about 40ft away:
Click on the pic to enlarge it.
Viewing from the iOS app with the HD option on, you can zoom in easily and read that plate. I was able to play back motion events remotely from the SD card at full resolution as well (3840x2160 resolution @ 10240Kbps)
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Firebrick43
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I picked up a few of the Amcrest IP8M-2496E 4K Cams. Lens option is 2.8mm. They also sell this with a 4mm lens: IP8M-2496EB-40MM
$109 USD.
Camera is 4K, POE, with SD card/FTP/NAS/Cloud recording. Metal case, nice build. The camera is fairly compact..about 8 inches long including the mount. The camera setup has a lot of options, but very similar to the the older 1080 PTZ cams...I have a few of those as well. Below is an uncompressed .png file (about 5MB) at night from the camera facing our back lane. Truck is about 40ft away:
Click on the pic to enlarge it.
Viewing from the iOS app with the HD option on, you can zoom in easily and read that plate. I was able to play back motion events remotely from the SD card at full resolution as well (3840x2160 resolution @ 10240Kbps)
I have been think about getting something but out here in rural areas without a plate number a camera system is pretty worthless. It amazing that I could read that number!
So is the SD card on the camera itself? If so do they need to be wired or just run off a battery? And if you want to review something just hook up via WiFi with your phone and an app if I understand correctly?
Denwood
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The SD card goes in the camera itself. It's under a weather tight plate accessed by removing two screws. The camera is POE...so is powered by either a POE injector, or a POE switch. They do provide a power port option though so the camera can be powered with an external source.
You can view the footage from a browser, the Amcrest Pro PC app, or their iOS app. I have the camera TCP ports set differently and port forward each on my router. This way you can view live footage or review recorded items from anywhere on the planet that has decent internet service.
The cameras can be set to record video on the SD card, and send still images elsewhere. I have video going to the SD card, but still images are sent offsite to my FTP site. The cams only record on motion detection.
You can view the footage from a browser, the Amcrest Pro PC app, or their iOS app. I have the camera TCP ports set differently and port forward each on my router. This way you can view live footage or review recorded items from anywhere on the planet that has decent internet service.
The cameras can be set to record video on the SD card, and send still images elsewhere. I have video going to the SD card, but still images are sent offsite to my FTP site. The cams only record on motion detection.
BruceMc
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I was disappointed enough to take them down and invest in POE IP cameras.
Denwood
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Arlo won't work below -5F...so not suitable for our setup. I've also found a lot of issues recording higher bit rate video over WIFI, so don't do this anymore. Wired POE and 4K is the only way to go..as far as reliability/usability goes. I do have a few of the PTZ 1080P cams and they are fine for smaller areas and close range.
I looked at a daylight screen grab from the 4K camera. The .png file is 9MB vs 5MB at night. There's a lot of detail there!
I looked at a daylight screen grab from the 4K camera. The .png file is 9MB vs 5MB at night. There's a lot of detail there!
I have a ring stick up cam. I positioned it right above the door. You can damn near see the entire shop. At night I'll set it to alarm if theres motion. It was just over a hundred bucks. I was going to get an alarm sys but with my roll up doors i figured it would be a pia.