Sell or move existing garage?

[Vette10R]

Kind of a weird question maybe but I've been wanting to build a pole barn for some time. I spoke with the city and they kind of shot me down for what I want. I can only have a max of 2 buildings totaling 2000 sq. ft. Combined. I currently have a 28x30 garage so if I leave that the barn will be just slightly bigger than that which might not be worth my time. So the other option is get rid of what's here and build a 2000 sq ft barn. My current garage is pretty nice, 2x6 walls insulated with 5/8 rock sprayed with knock down and painted along with wainscoting, All cabinets built in etc.. so I cant stomach just destroying this thing.

Are there places or people that buy garages and move them is it more work than it's worth for someone?

 

[ford33]

"So the other option is get rid of what's here and build a 2000 sq ft barn."
Obvious question. Why not add on to the existing garage?

 

[Old Man Roger]

Not really an answer to your question, but maybe a solution anyway?

I don't know the rules in MN, but in some states you can go huge as long as it's attached to the main house.

The main restrictions in those cases are the setbacks and easements.

Maybe the new structure could be attached to the main house, or maybe you could attach the existing structure to the main house?

 

[Vette10R]

The way the garage is laid out and where the septic is it just doesnt work to add on.

 

[Vette10R]

Plus I need the height in the new garage to fit an RV

 

[Vette10R]

Not really an answer to your question, but maybe a solution anyway?

I don't know the rules in MN, but in some states you can go huge as long as it's attached to the main house.

The main restrictions in those cases are the setbacks and easements.

Maybe the new structure could be attached to the main house, or maybe you could attach the existing structure to the main house?

I wonder if its possibly to move the septic? Then I could maybe connect the current garage to the house and have one massive garage! But would the ground be to soft where the existing mound is and what would something like that cost?

 

[Old Man Roger]

Are carports considered in the same way as a pole barn or garage in MN? Around here, we can get away with huge carports, large enough to park a diesel pusher.

If you park the RV under a ''Car Port'' you get to keep your garage.

 

[Old Man Roger]

Like this carport.

 

[Old Man Roger]

Some start off like this

And end up looking like this

Getting the permits for a carport around here is super easy, with not many restrictions at all. Once the carport is there, closing it in sometimes doesn't even require a permit. In some areas, you can get a permit for a closed in carport just as easy as not closed in.

Have you talked to your local ''Teds Sheds'' type guy? They know whats required in your area and what you can get away with legally.

 

[James-W]

I am reasonably certain the garage could be moved, but I seriously doubt it would be practical to do it and in any case, the cost of moving it would be terribly high.

Also, to move the septic wouldn't be very cheap either. One of the guys on the golfing league had to have a new septic system put in this past Summer, cost him right at $19,000.

Maybe someone else has a good idea on how to do this, my gut feeling is you may be stuck just putting another building. It may not be ideal but it may prove to be the best option in this situation. I wish you the best of luck with the project.

 

[matt_i]

Its odd to me that you can find room for 2000sqft new but can't find room to add onto 840sqft existing.

Maybe you need to open up on the version of "adding on"...it could be an "L" shape or be on the side of the building where the garage doors currently are.

 

[Natemade]

Is there a way you can build the second garage in a way that allows you to connect the new and old shop together and have a breeze way between the two? Maybe position the doors so moving tools or projects between the two would be easy?

 

[Vette10R]

I'll get a picture up later of an arial view of my property to show my issue

 

[Old Man Roger]

I tried to get away with a breezeway, but it doesn't cut the mustard in South Florida.

 

[Vette10R]

Here's my yard, red oval is the septic mound and blue rectangle is where I want the barn.

I cant go forward towards street if i added on and it doesnt make sense to add onto the back of the garage because the ceiling is only 10ft. Also the current garage is only 28ft. Wide so even if I added on I dont think it makes much sense...

 

[Old Man Roger]

Why can't you expand forward on either of the existing garages? I would probably expand the garage that's already connected to the house.

 

[crazylunker]

park the RV out by the road for a while. Then go to zoning for a waiver for the oversize garage. When you send the notice for variance to the neighbors add a letter explaining that you want to build it to house the RV so it's no longer visible from the road.

 

[Old Man Roger]

Can you convert your existing detached garage to the same style as your neighbors building? The one diagonal to you, on 24864 Kettle River Blvd N. His looks like it has an RV size door.

 

[Big Dad]

I would ..

raise current structure, move it back to where you want, add on to match

 

[ratdoggy]

Dumb question...
Does it justify building a building to store an RV indoors or what does it cost to rent an indoor space somewhere?

 

[carnutdallas]

park the RV out by the road for a while. Then go to zoning for a waiver for the oversize garage. When you send the notice for variance to the neighbors add a letter explaining that you want to build it to house the RV so it's no longer visible from the road.

Love the creative thought process. Makes complete sense to me. Definitely apply for a variance. The trees and lot shape should hide the “barn” and just sell it


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[Vette10R]

Why can't you expand forward on either of the existing garages? I would probably expand the garage that's already connected to the house.

I believe I cant move any further towards the road than the house is at. I wouldn't expand off the house towards the street for storage. The barn we want would be cold storage for now to keep the RV and toys.

 

[Vette10R]

Can you convert your existing detached garage to the same style as your neighbors building? The one diagonal to you, on 24864 Kettle River Blvd N. His looks like it has an RV size door.

His barn is an actual pole barn with high ceiling. Mine is just a garage, it would be easier to knock mine over and start from scratch?

 

[Vette10R]

Dumb question...
Does it justify building a building to store an RV indoors or what does it cost to rent an indoor space somewhere?

We would be storing an RV, pontoon, two C-10's, side x side and zeroturn in the barn. Plus more I'm sure but those for sure need to go in there.

 

[Old Man Roger]

I believe I cant move any further towards the road than the house is at. I wouldn't expand off the house towards the street for storage. The barn we want would be cold storage for now to keep the RV and toys.

Now that you mention it, we can't go past the front of the house either. It's actually a pretty new rule here though, my neighbor has a 2 car garage that sits off to the side of her house, but forward of it also. It's nice because she has a man door on the side facing her house, I had to put mine in the back.

 

[Vette10R]

I'm thinking I have two real options here, either knock it down or give it to someone if they want to move it then build what I want. Or the max i can go on the second building is 30x38, it's not as big as i would like but i should be able to squeeze everything in there...

I was mainly wondering if people bought garages so I could make a few bucks off it in the process but wasnt sure how that worked.

Thanks guys

 

[Old Man Roger]

I've sold a few sheds, but moving a garage that size, over the road, would be a pretty big process. The shed guy has a specialized trailer for sheds, he is loaded and gone in 30 minutes or less.

 

[Old Man Roger]

Since where just throwing pasta at the wall here to see if anything sticks..lol Carports are allowed to go past the front line of the house around here. If that's the case in MN, you could set it up in front of the existing detached garage.

Eventually close it in, but make it so you can drive all the way through into the existing garage.

 

[Junkdrawer Dog]

Like this carport.

That seems to be the go to solution where I live. I've seen people with 2 or even 3 of those on a smallish suburban lot. RV in one. Boat and pickup in another and a third one to sit in the shade.

 

[mcj115]

Why not lift the existing garage to a accommodate a 10 or 12 " door and build an addition out of the rear?
Tearing it down seems like a waste, moving a structure that size may not make sense economically but lifting and adding on seem the most practical.

 

[dcg9381]

Dumb question...
Does it justify building a building to store an RV indoors or what does it cost to rent an indoor space somewhere?

Slightly outside of "town" here - the cost of covered RV storage, 40' is about $150/mo. That's "shed roof" type storage.

The cost of building an enclosed 20x40x16' steel building, foundation, etc - Probably $30-40k. And it's going to add incremental cost to tax roles.

Do you start over in the OPs case? No idea. Depends on the real estate market, cost of what he wants to build, and CAN you actually build it in the same geography....

Some "tricks" here perhaps - if you attach the existing house and garage with a breezeway, around here that's "one structure" (down from two).

Building up doesn't necessarily add sqft, with a 16' eve building (14' door for an RV) you can darn near get 2-stories in the non-RV portion of the building and build that 2nd story/loft area later.

 

[Vette10R]

Since where just throwing pasta at the wall here to see if anything sticks..lol Carports are allowed to go past the front line of the house around here. If that's the case in MN, you could set it up in front of the existing detached garage.

Eventually close it in, but make it so you can drive all the way through into the existing garage.

If I did that when I have everything in storage I wouldnt be able to use the existing garage. Would be alot of shuffling vehicles around to get in and out.

 

[Vette10R]

Why not lift the existing garage to a accommodate a 10 or 12 " door and build an addition out of the rear?
Tearing it down seems like a waste, moving a structure that size may not make sense economically but lifting and adding on seem the most practical.

This might be an option, I'll have to look into it.

 

[finn]

Might be time to consider moving to a different property that better fits your needs (or wants).

 

[driftpin]

Some start off like this

And end up looking like this

Getting the permits for a carport around here is super easy, with not many restrictions at all. Once the carport is there, closing it in sometimes doesn't even require a permit. In some areas, you can get a permit for a closed in carport just as easy as not closed in.

Have you talked to your local ''Teds Sheds'' type guy? They know whats required in your area and what you can get away with legally.

I don't know where you live other than below your screen name, W Palm Beach, or if you're in unincorporated Palm Beach County FL, but about the only way you could get one of those metal carports or buildings in Broward County or Miami-Dade County, is to live on an AG (agricultural-zoned parcel) property. You would not be allowed to legally-enclose it here, in nearly any residentially-zoned parcel, except for one zoned AG.

Ted's Sheds will sell you something you cannot legally install, if you don't know any-better. I recently dealt with them in Broward County, but I had gone to the municipality with a set of sealed plans and a site plan with a 1 month-old sealed survey, and had to visit Engineering, Building (Structural and Electrical disciplines), and Zoning departments before I was able to confirm with all three departments that my scope of work would be able to be approved. All that was before I made an application to the municipality. Only-then did I place an order for my steel-framed building, Hardi-Board sided, w/a standing-seam metal roof, with a 7' H X 8' W roll-up garage door with a roughed-out opening for an exterior 36" impact-rated door which I installed myself.

I have worked as a Florida licensed plans examiner and as a planner, I know the process, caveat emptor.

 

[hd54kh]

I have not read all the details here but if I were dealing with it I would raise the roof only. no square footage increase or utility changes just knee walls to increase the height of the existing roof. Or replace the roof totally with maybe a raised section like a monitor style roof.


Terry

 

[Rc_Guy]

Rules like that are why we built a new house with a big garage.

 

[Old Man Roger]

I don't know where you live other than below your screen name, W Palm Beach, or if you're in unincorporated Palm Beach County FL, but about the only way you could get one of those metal carports or buildings in Broward County or Miami-Dade County, is to live on an AG (agricultural-zoned parcel) property. You would not be allowed to legally-enclose it here, in nearly any residentially-zoned parcel, except for one zoned AG.

Ted's Sheds will sell you something you cannot legally install, if you don't know any-better. I recently dealt with them in Broward County, but I had gone to the municipality with a set of sealed plans and a site plan with a 1 month-old sealed survey, and had to visit Engineering, Building (Structural and Electrical disciplines), and Zoning departments before I was able to confirm with all three departments that my scope of work would be able to be approved. All that was before I made an application to the municipality. Only-then did I place an order for my steel-framed building, Hardi-Board sided, w/a standing-seam metal roof, with a 7' H X 8' W roll-up garage door with a roughed-out opening for an exterior 36" impact-rated door which I installed myself.

I have worked as a Florida licensed plans examiner and as a planner, I know the process, caveat emptor.

Broward is way stricter, due to the hurricane standards you guys have. Those buildings are all over Palm Beach County. There are a bunch of manufacturers that make them and they have a standard set of approved engineered plans, so permits are a breeze.

 

[ratdoggy]

Rules like that are why we built a new house with a big garage.

No you didn't...
You built a big garage with a new house

 

[NUTTSGT]

Set up a Trust. Have a survey team come out and section off the old garage and sell it to the trust. Build your new garage where you want it, the size you want or are allowed.


Would this create a loop hole to get you by ?