Shop build 56 x 72 x 16

[@scottystephenss]

I have found purchased and moved into my permanent home.... now it's time to build my permanent shop! I have a 30x32x10.5 shop now. It's packed full and 20 minutes from home. I'm here to get ideas, share ideas, and hopefully end up with a shop that I don't wish I would have built differently later!

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I have been a car mechanic, sheet metal fab, and now an industrial mechanic/machinist. I pretty much spend all my time working on things. Hobbies are metal fab, off roading, drag racing, guns and any customizing. I do a lot of wheeling and dealing of anything that I'm interested in or that makes money. My goal is to turn this shop and my hobbies into a career and quit the factory life. I am planning on primarily buying/selling for most of my income and metal fab as a secondary until hopefully someday metal fab and customizing takes over. So, those are the basic goals. I will be doing as much of this build that I can myself. My friend is starting a construction business so they will be guiding me/building it as well.

Ideas:
From quotes and talking to people/researching I have came up with 56x72x16 for a size and possibly way down the road making it longer than 72 if needed. 16' ceiling is so I can have an overhead crane down the road and still clear car lifts. Shop will be drive through style with parking in front and back. Later add lean to the full length on one side. Still deciding but I think I am doing a poured footer, couple rows of block then 16" oc studded 2x6 walls wrapped in 1/2" osb then dark gray steel siding.r19 in walls and r30 in ceiling (flat not to the peaks) finished with white steel siding inside.
-2 car lifts
-machine shop area
-metal fab area
-a/c someday
-heated floor waste oil/fuel oil boiler, someday large outdoor wood boiler
-12x12 bathroom/storage
-office above bathroom
-one floor drain for winter car washing (all other floor will be level)
-tv hangout area for girlfriends and dogs
-badass stereo
-security cameras
-lots of storage and organization
-led lighting
-all air and wiring in floor and walls
-outlets and air hookups on car lift posts and possibly in floor with steel plate covers
-gravel parking in front of shop
-gravel storage lot behind shop
-winch hookup for main car lift
-I beams or something in floor to use as a frame table and jig for fab

My back yard where the shop will be built. There are metal steaks in the ground approximate location of the shop. (kind of hard to see but they're set at 60x100, I haven't re measured them yet since I changed size) The fence is the property line that the neighbor and I are using, he is cool with me building right up to that. There is no zoning. The shops back wall will be 12-15' away from the fence leaving room for the lean to later on.
View media item 88242View media item 88241The row of bushes is already gone and the fence is on the other side of them. The tree is coming out soon.
The side I am calling the front will be facing the driveway. Has the two garage doors.

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View media item 88244 This is the other idea, plasma table and some of the metal racks a little different, I'm thinking I like this one better but I am still deciding..

 

[bad_idea]

First thing, first. Have a survey done and official property lines mapped out. While the neighbor may be cool with it today, what happens when he sells/dies and the new neighbor isn't. I had my property surveyed for $625 dollars. I am about $25k into the garage build, whats $625?

Other than that, I have no advice. Beautiful looking country, wish you luck.

 

[@scottystephenss]

First thing, first. Have a survey done and official property lines mapped out. While the neighbor may be cool with it today, what happens when he sells/dies and the new neighbor isn't. I had my property surveyed for $625 dollars. I am about $25k into the garage build, whats $625?

Other than that, I have no advice. Beautiful looking country, wish you luck.

Thanks, definitely something to consider. I'm not sure yet what I'll do there since the neighbor is a surveyor haha. There is a property corner pin nearby (in the driveway). So while the fence line might not be down to the inch it is very close.

 

[@scottystephenss]

Anyone have suggestions or questions?

 

[C2tuck]

Go bigger if you can afford to now...God knows I wish I had.

My next one will be a 60x80 at least. My 30x30 which I thought would be huge is half what I wish I would have built.

Not sure I would put the electric and air in the floor...too easy for spills and such to get into. I would opt for reels from the ceiling. I use mine like crazy.

Everything else sounds good. Beautiful place you have there.


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[@scottystephenss]

I've been working on sketchup for a while now. Took a while to the hang of it, but this sure is a handy program. This is my latest rendering. Most of the equipment in this I have already, so as I get time to measure things I have been making this all to scale. I don't have the mill, lathe, tubing/metal racks, second lift, large press, but those are things I plan on having in the future. I also have some stuff that I haven't had time to add, but this is most of the big items.

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[@scottystephenss]

Thanks C2tuck. I'm working on material quotes so, If I can afford more I'd like to go longer. At first I was considering going bigger and not finishing it all, but the more I think about it I would rather have a complete usable shop then add longer later. I don't want to hang anything from the ceiling because I want an overhead crane someday. The floor heat will be radiant heat under the cement pad. A/C will be normal forced air

Go bigger if you can afford to now...God knows I wish I had.

My next one will be a 60x80 at least. My 30x30 which I thought would be huge is half what I wish I would have built.

Not sure I would put the electric and air in the floor...too easy for spills and such to get into. I would opt for reels from the ceiling. I use mine like crazy.

Everything else sounds good. Beautiful place you have there.

 

[matt_i]

I had the bridge crane dream once too. I've got all of the components squirrelled up save for bus bars or the flat festoon cable and the structural steel, but I estimate the structural steel alone at $5k for a 25x40 setup x 3 ton capacity. It just doesn't seem worthwhile.

I think it would be better to build a small area with something like a Gorbel system or some Knight or Zimmerman "tool rails" that are good-used. One could get into around 2000 lbs capacity with a lot less investment.

Shop's a great size, what are your plans for electrical? New service or run as a subpanel from your house.

 

[matt_i]

In any case I after some more thought I didn't mean to come off as overly negative. If you want the crane system now's the time to think about pouring the column footings ahead of time so it can be integrated with the floor.

It also needs some thought about ceiling fans and all of your electricity has to come down the walls and out from there.

Bridge crane is all about aligning a big structure within about 1/8" so it doesnt bind or jam, make sure you build adjustability into the design

 

[@scottystephenss]

No worries I'm asking for it! Yes, I do want to have ceiling fans. Maybe a Bigass fan? I was planning on getting a used bridge crane setup. I have seen a couple, so I figure once I get into even more wheelin' and dealin' I'll eventually come across the right one. Looking for 3-5 tons. I haven't researched cranes a whole lot yet. I thought I could get something freestanding and lag into the floor similar to a car lift? Doesn't necessarily have to cover every foot of the shop. I want to load the plasma table with it, move sheeting and heavy fab projects around and load/unload trucks.

Electrical plans are adding another service. I had the power company out last year to look at that. No chance of getting 3 phase. Gonna need a big generator or phase convertor for future machinery. I will be trenching a line to the shop from a pole they add. 400amp panel is what I think I'll go with

In any case I after some more thought I didn't mean to come off as overly negative. If you want the crane system now's the time to think about pouring the column footings ahead of time so it can be integrated with the floor.

It also needs some thought about ceiling fans and all of your electricity has to come down the walls and out from there.

Bridge crane is all about aligning a big structure within about 1/8" so it doesnt bind or jam, make sure you build adjustability into the design

 

[bradn]

Did you have to draw all the items you have in the building or does sketchup have alot of common things already drawn. I am not really familiar with it.

 

[@scottystephenss]

Did you have to draw all the items you have in the building or does sketchup have alot of common things already drawn. I am not really familiar with it.

Sorry for the late response, I just noticed your comment. I downloaded almost all of them. I changed sizes, colors, combined items ect. Other people draw things and upload them then anyone can download them into your own drawing. Really useful program once you learn to use it. And there are tons of YouTube videos and internet how to info.

 

[@scottystephenss]

Anyone else have any suggestions? Anyone done anything similar? Any cement experience? Going to do foam insulation under the slab. A friend of mine did foam, them wire mesh, zip tied the floor heat tubing to the mesh and poured right over that... Seems to be an easy way to do it, but what about having no rebar and only the wire is that normal?

 

[TTMotorsports]

I'm currently planning a 50x80 shop and doing wire mesh only with rebar in footings and edge of foundation. Seems to be the norm here

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[@scottystephenss]

Here's the official build site. All squared up and on size. Ready to take that tree out and dig in!!
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[purediesel]

Very nice! You'll love the size. We just put up a 50x80x16 and I wish I added more depth. Even your 56' would have been nice, but I sure wish a did 60X80.. Who did you end up using for your build?

 

[@scottystephenss]

Very nice! You'll love the size. We just put up a 50x80x16 and I wish I added more depth. Even your 56' would have been nice, but I sure wish a did 60X80.. Who did you end up using for your build?

Yeah, I'm really excited! I was going to do 60x100 originally and not finish the whole building. That 4' saved a lot on the trusses. I have it budgeted to finish it all in one shot now. I decided it would be better to use it all right away and add later when I run out of space.

Friend of mine's business for the framing. Swift construction. I'm going to do as much as possible myself. Most of the excavation, all the wiring, plumbing, floor heat, insulation, as well as help with the framing. I'm not sure yet who I'm using for concrete and foundation.

 

[cvairwerks]

If you are still thinking about having a 5 ton bridge crane at some point. do the necessary engineering for the slab and incorporate it now. Going in later and doing the required sawing and dirt work will be way more expensive in the long run.

 

[rixtrix1]

Big plans, probably what a ton of guys here lust over! Property looks fantastic. Thanks for sharing!

Run a search on "bridge crane" as there are a lot of them in here. I just read a thread where a guy moved and built a new shop and moved his old crane. The Lone Beech Garage has a bridge crane in the thread, too.

 

[@scottystephenss]

rixtrix1
cvairwerks
Ok, thanks for the input. I'll do some research on the floor requirments. I won't be pouring the floor until next summer so I got some time to figure that part out. And yes thanks, the property is nice. I got 30 acres and most of it's woods to play in.

 

[Purist]

I can't wait to see your design come to fruition. In!!

 

[@scottystephenss]

No more tree! Broke up some of the roots with the bobcat and a friend hooked his big dump truck to it and pulled it right out. View media item 92161

 

[@scottystephenss]

Finally progress!! Here's days 1-3
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[@scottystephenss]

Day 4 starting on block work
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[LutzTD]

looks like a great project, love the site. one question, are you planning any rebar ties into the footers? they made me put in #4 rebar every 4 feet that were hooked under the long rebar in the footer, granted I am in a 130mph wind area, but rebar is cheap. they also put in rebar ties to the slab. One other thing they made me do was ties a ground wire from the rebar cage to a copper ground rod. the electrical inspectors made me put it in after and I had to chip through the wall to get access to the rebar. now that is florida but there is some reason for it even if you are building without a permit or inspections.

 

[rixtrix1]

No rebar in the footings! Never heard of that, especially with block construction where any settling can cause catastrophic wall cracking. Sorry to say this, but too big an investment not to.

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[@scottystephenss]

looks like a great project, love the site. one question, are you planning any rebar ties into the footers? they made me put in #4 rebar every 4 feet that were hooked under the long rebar in the footer, granted I am in a 130mph wind area, but rebar is cheap. they also put in rebar ties to the slab. One other thing they made me do was ties a ground wire from the rebar cage to a copper ground rod. the electrical inspectors made me put it in after and I had to chip through the wall to get access to the rebar. now that is florida but there is some reason for it even if you are building without a permit or inspections.

Thanks, yeah I'm very happy with it! No zoning where I'm at since this is being built as "agricultural". I haven't heard of the ground thing but I'll ask about it. I'll be doing some wiring before the floor is poured. The block guys are using these for tying the footer into the floor. They said depends who you get to pour the floor but some guys will still add rebar with these wedge blocks
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[LutzTD]

for what your spending I would at minimum drill and epoxy in some rebar every so many courses, then when the wall is raised drop rebar into those cores and grout it solid, then tie those to a bond beam on the top of the wall. this is overkill for you but you can see how they did mine.

here's also a picture before they put up the block, you can see all the rebar that was set in the footers

 

[@scottystephenss]

Lutztd ok I will ask the concrete guys about that and probably do some rebar.

Block is all done! Looks great. Now I have a real idea how big this building is gonna be... And I'm really liking it! Two guys worked for 3 days, then the 4th day they had 4 guys and finished it.

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[@scottystephenss]

Added some foundation sealer this weekend and started putting pipes through the block for water, sewer, internet, propane, drains and wood boiler. Everything gets burried. And electric service will go through the wood frame above the block.

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[@scottystephenss]

Pipes cemented into the walls for utilities.
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[Farrier]

Love this. Not yet ANOTHER cut and paste poll barn thread. Bring on the pics!

 

[@scottystephenss]

Love this. Not yet ANOTHER cut and paste poll barn thread. Bring on the pics!

Haha nope, unfortunately for my wallet there's no quick affordable pole barn here. I have high standards and this is my permanent home!

 

[@scottystephenss]

Sill plate done
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[@scottystephenss]

Trusses came today
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[@scottystephenss]

Built three 20ft wall sections this past weekend. It's looking big! Used my bobcat boom for the first time to stand them up
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[Motoman1100]

Man that Bobcat looks pretty small compared to that wall. I like it!

 

[@scottystephenss]

Man that Bobcat looks pretty small compared to that wall. I like it!

Yeah that gives a size comparison... And that's not a small bobcat

 

[@scottystephenss]

Built more walls and got them up. One row of sheeting on. Rented a telehandler for a week. Mainly to set roof trusses, but ended up using it for walls to get some practice.
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[@scottystephenss]

Few more walls up and a lot of sheeting done
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