Show off your DOE's!

[Beerhippie]

My vision, being what it is, combined with the dimly-lit shack where I found this, caused me to buy it (for pennies) due to the odd shape and Diamond W. It wasn't 'til I got it back to the shop and took a good look that I realized that it was user-modified--but pretty well, as the jaws are nicely rounded where ground off. Hacking on the shaft... well, not so nice.

 

[Beerhippie]

That's pretty custom. Made this one for a Daewoo waterpump

What cheap die-grinder did that chuck wrench come with? I think I may have the same one....

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Not sure. I've worn out so many die grinders I have a whole drawer of them

 

[Beerhippie]

Not sure. I've worn out so many die grinders I have a whole drawer of them

Die grinders go in the bin when I'm done with them, but the damned wrenches seem to find themselves homes in my tool boxes long after the tool is gone.

 

[Outlawmws]

I needed a big open end for this extinguisher converted to a wash station, and this wrench was too big, but needed opened further for the "spacers" I silver soldered in:

 

[cowades206]

These Craftsman sets have shown up a couple of times in this thread. I'm adding this one because it still has the wires to hold the wrenches in place. The one on the right seems to be original. The one on the left is a very stiff wire. Suspicious it is an old bicycle spoke.

 

[Outlawmws]

Suspicious it is an old bicycle spoke.

That's a nice find!

Does the wire have any threads on the ends? Are there visible cuts from dykes?

 

[cowades206]

That's a nice find!

Does the wire have any threads on the ends? Are there visible cuts from dykes?

The ends do seem to have been cut with wire cutters. No threads or any other indication it's a spoke. That is just a wag.
It is stiffer than wire off a spool from the local hardware store, but can still be cut, and bend 180 without breaking. It is longer than the other one; in fact it sticks out the bottom so it can't be in all the way when standing.

 

[username2]

...
If you haven't been following, IA lost a major court battle just last year where the judge in the case called the fair use argument "unpersuasive," IA appealed, and just a few weeks ago the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit upheld the district court ruling. ....

Having said all that, I don't see it all coming to an end any time soon. In fact, the history of all these suits is the aggrieved parties ironically not really wanting to win or lose, just take their settlement pay out and quietly skulk away without anyone noticing, because in many cases, the books are out of print, and there is little to no revenue stream.

This came up during my argument that trusting some sort of magic database to hold stuff for you rather than have your own copy is a sketchy proposition. Thing is, it doesn't require a lawyer to go away. No doubt this is a temporary situation, but single points of failure are a thing.

On a related note, it's funny how fragile YouTube channels are. The creator, some random person at Youtube, or Godknowswhat can make years of content go **** in a moment.

One area where you run into this is sheet music. Beaucoup copyright issues and lawyered up to the max.

(side note: 'little revenue stream' is part of that whole long tail deal. The cost of providing access to those things can be so low that it's practical to build a business out of it and choke off public domain I think. Sonny Bono's Ghost will live on.)

 

[Provincial]

Since we don't have a Triple Open End (TOE) wrench thread..., I don't think @Outlawmws will mind if I stick this here. If it was animal instead of mineral, I'd say it reminds me of extra fingers, freaks of nature or mythological creatures with more than one head. It's thick. Milled opening sizes are 5/16", 3/8", and 1/2". No markings.

Check out post #819 in the Bell System thread. It shows a "63 Tool" that is almost identical.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

This came up during my argument that trusting some sort of magic database to hold stuff for you rather than have your own copy is a sketchy proposition.

Well, there's a big difference between a lawsuit and a cyberattack. As for references, of course a local copy on a hard drive is always a good idea, I have a couple hundred items in my vintage catalogs folder, and it's still only using 10GB of storage. But it's not realistic or feasible to think anyone can feasibly replicate the thousands of volumes that have been uploaded to the International Tool Catalog Library on their PC or predict what catalog you might need for a tool you have not found yet. It's essential, along with Google Books, for discovery research.

No doubt this is a temporary situation,

I'm not so sure. It's been over a week and only the Wayback Machine has been recovered.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Check out post #819 in the Bell System thread. It shows a "63 Tool" that is almost identical.

Thanks for the tip, Jock. Almost the same openings. I can't agree with "almost identical," though. The most remarkable feature of the wrench I just found is that it truly is a TOE. There are three distinct ends. The "63 tool" wrench looks more like a classic tank regulator wrench, with two ends, one end larger than the other, with multiple milled or stamped openings in it. In fact, I have a Bell System gas or regulator wrench that looks like the "63 tool" wrench.

 

[four.cycle]

I bought a pig in a poke last week.
Ordinarily, I try to go gently, but the rust was strong with this batch, so I had to go over to the dark side.
I pulled them out of the Evaporust bath earlier today and then further brutalized them mercilessly with #3 steel wool, which unfortunately really did a number on that lovely Japanning one of them once sported.
I could have done worse - the little Spanish number got the wire wheel - and I'm not making any apologies for it.


top to bottom:

Whitman and Barnes model 41
marked "1" and "7/8", but milled opening sizes are actually 1-7/16" and 1-5/8"
I was only able to find it in the 1917 Whitman & Barnes catalog and a 1920 Kelley How Thomson Co. catalog.

Fairmount U.S.A. - no model number on unit
milled openings 1-1/4" and 1-1/2"
overall length 15-1/2"
was not able to find this one in any of very few available catalogs.

Williams model 1038 "Superrrench"
milled openings 1-1/16" and 1-7/16"
shown in 1937 Williams catalog pp 53
shown in 1939 Williams catalog pp 36
shown in 1941 Williams price sheet with an MSRP of $4.90
does not appear in either the 1947 or 1952 Williams catalogs

Armstrong mode 735
milled openings 1" and 1-1/8"
was not able to find this one in any of the Armstrong catalogs I was able to find

 

[Private Lugnutz]

When I found this at the flea market, I thought it might've been a Lakeside Forge, but it's a Whitaker. This is the first and only Whitaker tool, of any kind, that I have ever seen in the wild.

 

[four.cycle]

^ great find.
rather uncommon, to say the least.

 

[d42jeep]

I have a Whitaker monkey wrench.
Here is a Bonney made Whitaker marked wrench. Probably something to do with Whitaker electrical cable.
-Don

 

[Mike'smeatshop]

Would this have been in a kit with others?

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Yes, stacked and kept together with a screw and nut through that hole, which is the style that can also be used as a little die stock/rethreader. We have a whole thread dedicated to them. See "Auto kit style wrenches" in the A-Z List in the Sticky. And search for Indestro with the thread option checked when you're in the thread. You will see other types, but there are several examples of these with all kinds of catalog info from 4.c.

 

[four.cycle]

@Mike - that one is a "Nut and Tap Wrench" - they made no fewer than three styles of those stamped-steel open-ends.

 

[Mike'smeatshop]

Thanks men. Down the hole I go.

 

[four.cycle]

^ They are all over ebay in onesie-twosies - all of them with nutty prices on them.
Once the center screw that held all five wrenches together was lost, the individual pieces all went separate ways - no shortage of orphans on those.

 

[d42jeep]

I found this wrench yesterday that might challenge the GJ experts. I have no idea who manufactured it.
Other side

-Don

 

[esben57]

Britool 6J engineers pattern, probably into the 1970's. 2J pattern a thinner profile.

 

[esben57]

King **** SLM

 

[Farmer J.]

I reckon those 6J spanners are the best that Britool ever made. They're very strong, and the chrome doesn't seem to go flakey.
The Britool 2J's and the King **** ones aren't so nice.

 

[RTM]

I just posted a set of Penncraft ignition wrenches, in a roll, in the JC Penney Pennraft thread. It's a nice 10 piece set, all matching, kinda wondering who made them. If you could drop the answers in the other Penncraft thread, that will keep knowledge together. IF you don't know, here are some nice shiny wrenches to enjoy.



Details here

J.C. Penny tools

Here are a couple of Penny’s screwdrivers I found on Saturday at an estate sale. Quite a bit of damage to the Stanley looking one’s handle. -Don

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[Outlawmws]

OK I have a special case need for a 1/2 X 7/16ths DOE that is no more than 3-3/8 OAL. this is VERY short!

I have looked through mine and so far my shortest is 3-7/8 - A Williams 23 (that is actually marked 3/16 - 1/4 for the older USS size standard. - Most are > 4"

Any one know of a shorter one? I can cut and weld if I have to, but would prefer an unmodified wrench

 

[Private Lugnutz]

That's a very tough factory ask, Outlaw. I have a lot of ISN 721 (5/16" x 3/8") and ISN 21 wrenches (5/16" x 13/132") and even they're not under 4" OAL. My first thought was ignition wrenches, because their configurations are a tad shorter than engineers wrenches due to the oppo angles (60*, 75*, and 90*), but none of my 7/16" x 1/2" are under 3-7/8", and the electricals (with the 90* obstruction angle) are the same size on both ends. My next thought was loom wrenches, again, because of the "S" style and 22-1/2* angles, but again, shortest is 4". Kit wrenches are pretty short, but they all go 7/16" x 3/8" and 9/16" x 1/2".

I don't know what the application is, but if you find a wrench that meets the OAL, an option might be to widen the milled openings, which will likely be smaller than you need.

 

[Outlawmws]

Yep I know it's a long shot - I was just looking at my ignition wrench collection, and not even close; and those are generally shorter too!

The goal is to have this fit inside the "spare parts" pocket of a Mil Spec Lantern fount. I'm building one up from that fount, and then a 242 burner frame. and some other embellishments to make it more bullet proof as an emergency lantern, and be self contined for spares tools etc.

This is how my shortest wrench fit:

 

[Provincial]

I agree that "cut and weld" is the most likely solution. There are plenty of unbranded DOE's out there, and you won't have to resort to a "lobster claw" version, since pretty nice alloy wrenches are common. If you grind off the "Made In USA" forged in, by blending in the weld bead it will be hard to spot the modification!

 

[Private Lugnutz]

If you're not turning anything with serious torque, why would you cut and weld instead of filing the milled openings a couple 16ths wider on a shorter wrench?

 

[Outlawmws]

Both are possible options, but my first choice, granted a very long shot, is to find this orpan puppy...

 

[RTM]

Or just cut one from heavy sheet metal? If this is regular usage, not nut busting, it should not matter , IMO.

 

[soundjunky]

I was going to make a new thread this morning, but being a newbie, I figured I'd play nice, and see if posting in this thread might work.

I came across this positively ancient looking double open end wrench last year.

I removed the wonderful patina yesterday, and did an evaporust soak last night purely so that it could be photographed (in my defense there were some nasty looking rust spots in amongst the nice patina) - I was considering wire wheeling it, but have held off for now.

I am very curious if anyone here might be able to identify this one:



One side appears to show length in centimeters (it shows a "CM" in the middle incase this isn't clear to any of you) - measured from the very far left tip of the wrench;
The other side appears to have an inch scale, again measured from the very tip - it does not say "INCH" or "IMP" - but instead appears to read "EN18"(?) at the far right end.

The ends are NOT marked, but I believe (using a pos tape measure I have handy) it looks like the small end might be 3/4", and the large end might be 1-1/8".

Can anyone identify this by either make or approximate age?

 

[MR.X]

Ferguson Tractor wrench? EN18 is like the UK version of 4140 w/o the Moly as far as I know...which isn't that far...but British Tractor,..Cm. markings and EN desig. all kind of track....

 

[soundjunky]

thanks I will google this to see what kind of hits I get.

EDIT:
Wow!
I didn't expect an answer so quick!
I found the following quotes from this LINK:

When Harry Ferguson developed his Ferguson System in the 1930’s, one of his main objectives was to make the integrated tractor and Implement as simple to use as it was efficient. An important part of this system was the ‘Ferguson Spanner’. ...
When Ferguson linked up with Ford in the USA, the Ford Ferguson and the Sherman implements resulted. The screw threads from then on became American unified so the spanner now became 1 1/16 x 11/16 AF. ...
When Ferguson returned to England and Standard Motors started production at Banner Lane the spanner supplied at first had only inches on the face, sometimes with a Staffordshire knot on the reverse. The basic design more or less remained unchanged only with slight forging variation, EN5C and EN18 (Steel grade numbers) appearing in various positions...
Around 1968 the practice of supplying a spanner with every new tractor ceased and became accessories which could be purchased from the dealer. ...
One of the unusual spanners I have in my collection has MASSEY FERGUSON forged on the stem with centimetres on the reverse. ...

Upon closer inspection, I am confidant that mine is 11/16" & 1-1/16" not what I posted previously;
Mine shows the steel grade as mentioned, centimeters on one side, but absolutely sizing for wrenches (article shows wrenches with stamped sizing) no country of manufacture, and no company name/logo on it anywhere.

 

[Farmer J.]

thanks I will google this to see what kind of hits I get.

EDIT:
Wow!
I didn't expect an answer so quick!
I found the following quotes from this LINK:


Upon closer inspection, I am confidant that mine is 11/16" & 1-1/16" not what I posted previously;
Mine shows the steel grade as mentioned, centimeters on one side, but absolutely sizing for wrenches (article shows wrenches with stamped sizing) no country of manufacture, and no company name/logo on it anywhere.

Yup, you found it.
I have 2 or 3 of those type of spanners around the farm. The sizes didn't need to be marked on them, as the Ferguson implements only used those 2 sizes for all the major adjustments. I always thought the measuring scales were handy for setting up an implement, like for getting all the coulters even on a multi furrow plough but there has been some debate that they might have been used for measuring the fuel in the tractor tank. Maybe both, and I checked, the small end does fit through a fuel cap opening.
Those wrenches and the subtle variations make interesting pieces in a collection.

These wrenches came up before, in post #593

Show off your DOE's!

That lower Indian Motorcycle looks like it might be a match to my #55 Wakefield It is. Same length, same milled openings. And it only makes sense to use the same supplier for multiple types of wrenches, if they made them. So I'd say Wakefield is a good bet for the OEM. Thanks!

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[LesserSon]

I think this logo (B in a circle) has come up before, but cannot recall the conclusion. I don’t think this is the Bonney contract mark.
Thoughts?

 

[Stubby1743]

Rivals.

 

[Provincial]

Rivals.

Until they were family, courtesy of a "shotgun marriage."