..remove a bunch of words no one is going to read. Please continue on with double open end wrench things.
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..remove a bunch of words no one is going to read. Please continue on with double open end wrench things.
four.cycle
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^ If you really believe you're going to make any headway suing for copyright infringement, by all means go for it.
Let us know how that works out for you there.
Let us know how that works out for you there.
d42jeep
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I annually make a small contribution to Internet Archive because I appreciate their work in making all the information available to collectors. Am I going to be in legal jeopardy in the inevitable upcoming lawsuit?
-Don
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S-K tools ignition wrenches.four.cycle
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^ As long as we're not charging each other money for the information, we're in the clear. It's the "fair use" clause. I had it all typed out in a notepad *.txt file but I can't find the file.
The ebay sellers claiming "copyright" on those photocopied catalog pages - or original pages - is laughable. If the original work is over 70 years old, it's public domain.
The ebay sellers claiming "copyright" on those photocopied catalog pages - or original pages - is laughable. If the original work is over 70 years old, it's public domain.
Private Lugnutz
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We accomplices can request adjacent cells, Don. Plenty of original paperbacks to read. And when we kiss our wives goodbye, they can pass us files from our tiny tools collections.
As laughable as the guys compiling photocopied catalog pages onto CDs and claiming copyright on the CDs to try to prevent people from copying and sharing the CD so they can continue to bilk people $100 a pop for them.
If you haven't been following, IA lost a major court battle just last year where the judge in the case called the fair use argument "unpersuasive," IA appealed, and just a few weeks ago the US Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit upheld the district court ruling. Search on Hachette v. Internet Archive. It affects only a special offshoot called the National Emergency Library that IA launched in 2020 during the Big C era that basically relaxed the 'one book, one person at a time' method for lending contemporary copyrighted books. Not a fan of big publishers, but Hachette, joined by HarperCollins, Penguin Random House, and others were right in this case, I thought. IA is also being sued for a music digitization project that skirts with piracy. I do wish they'd tone all that **** down.
Most of the volumes and texts and access to them are safe, especially those to the left of the copyright barrier, and even many of those to the right of it, ******* with Google Books, HathiTrust and a host of major college libraries. I am pretty sure ITCL is in that wing. I just hope that cutting the legs off the venturous shenanigans doesn't cripple the whole thing. A prominent part of the threatening category is the AI wave. Large Language Models rely on a large corpus of data for scouring, but what the overzealous copyright hawks (aided by plain old greedy MFers) are aiming at, are implicit infringements in the summaries without citations.
Having said all that, I don't see it all coming to an end any time soon. In fact, the history of all these suits is the aggrieved parties ironically not really wanting to win or lose, just take their settlement pay out and quietly skulk away without anyone noticing, because in many cases, the books are out of print, and there is little to no revenue stream.
four.cycle
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^ oooo was not aware of that at all!
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I tried searching the thread for wrenches with a single letter, but I wasn't successful. It seems like I remember posts about sets of wrenches similar to this, but it's been a long time.... Does anyone wreckognize this D rench? The other side is unmarked.
Great find! This is a "Bonney Malleable General Purpose Wrench". I believe @LesserSon is the resident expert on these, and he has most of the series.I tried searching the thread for wrenches with a single letter, but I wasn't successful. It seems like I remember posts about sets of wrenches similar to this, but it's been a long time.... Does anyone wreckognize this D rench? The other side is unmarked.
I'll bet it's a 'D' size, whatever in the heck that is.
See above: The "D" size is 13/16 X 7/8.
I'm doing my best to avoid buying a bunch of open-ended wrenches, but sometimes my magpie instincts kick in.
It even came with a thrift store tool box from 'HAM. MET. or (HAMMET)' PRODUCTS. Military?
...since it's from Hamilton, Ohio...it's hard to avoid the conclusion that it's Hamilton Metal Prducts, whatever that is. 41-B-1840?
It even came with a thrift store tool box from 'HAM. MET. or (HAMMET)' PRODUCTS. Military?
...since it's from Hamilton, Ohio...it's hard to avoid the conclusion that it's Hamilton Metal Prducts, whatever that is. 41-B-1840?
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Private Lugnutz
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WWII Ordnance Dept issue GMTK box. Early boxes had no FSN; mid to late war did. EDIT Multiple examples on multiple threads with more info if you search.
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I tried searching the thread for wrenches with a single letter, but I wasn't successful. It seems like I remember posts about sets of wrenches similar to this, but it's been a long time.... Does anyone wreckognize this D rench? The other side is unmarked.
@PSCo1867 has it right, though exagerating my expertise and holdings. I don’t have a B size, and my C has a broken-off bit of jaw. Since they don’t have any company name on them, and malleable iron doesn’t have ANY of the familiar properties of modern tools, I imagine a lot of these have been recycled or worse.
EDIT - okay, I do seem to have a B, but there’s no “B” on it, LOL. Three As, one iffy B, two (broken at opposite ends) Cs, three Ds, and two Es.
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It does, plus the '41-B-1840' embossed underneath. Sadly, the tool caddy that came with is not original.
For a hand box, I really really like that design, although you can argue that the lack of clasp is a minus in a moving vehicle. I'll clean it up and put in my hoard of tombstone Craftsman boxes and Kennedy stuff that the local ReStore always seems to have. My strong inclination is to move purely to portable boxes (and sell/give away my one large chest), partly because they're, well, portable, and partly because I don't see any point in storing regularly used tools with a bunch of things like aviation snips, pop rivet guns, and torque wrenches.
Private Lugnutz
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They're self-clasping, in a sense, with the way the flip-top lids overlap at the top, with the folding handles. Not entirely spill-proof, but wartime mechanics weren't too worried about that, and I wouldn't be either - the only way a full GMTK is ever spilling its contents is in a roll over. They're low, squat, well-contained, and heavy when loaded. Shipping weight for tonnage and cubage during WWII was 74 lbs each. I have a colleague in England who moves his with a wartime dolly. But, if you really wanted to clasp it shut, there's always a padlock.
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Since we don't have a Triple Open End (TOE) wrench thread..., I don't think @Outlawmws will mind if I stick this here. If it was animal instead of mineral, I'd say it reminds me of extra fingers, freaks of nature or mythological creatures with more than one head. It's thick. Milled opening sizes are 5/16", 3/8", and 1/2". No markings.
, I don't think @Outlawmws will mind if I stick this here. If it was animal instead of mineral, I'd say it reminds me of extra fingers, freaks of nature or mythological creatures with more than one head. It's thick. Milled opening sizes are 5/16", 3/8", and 1/2". No markings.four.cycle
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^ gotta be gas bottle stuff... what else would you use that thing for?
Private Lugnutz
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I'm not sold on "gotta be", but it's a possibility. I have several tank wrenches, and while multiple openings is a prominent feature, they are usually on the same head. That this was stamped out with three actual heads is a little different. It looks like an engineers' wrench..., that grew an extra head. Hence my metaphors. That was, of course, precisely the attraction.
Anything with 5/16", 3/8", and 1/2" fasteners?
Provincial
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And lots of working space!
four.cycle
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^ That is why I thought "bottle wrench" - where you would have plenty of room to swing that thing around.
That's my best WAG at the moment, but I'm only on my first cup of tea here.
That's my best WAG at the moment, but I'm only on my first cup of tea here.
four.cycle
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^ I was assuming that was the thread size of the bolts. Those are the sizes of the openings?
If that's the case, then yeah - way too small for gas bottles.
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four.cycle
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^ that's bicycle size stuff on older U.S. makes.
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I found my first Indian Motorcycle wrench. And another Kawasaki made in Japan. And not sure the third one. All at the scrap yard today.
four.cycle
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@Mike'smeatshop - the one with the dual SAE/metric markings was made by Bridgeport Hardware Mfg. Co, Bridgeport, CT.
Bridgeport thread
cool find on the Indian.
Bridgeport thread
cool find on the Indian.
Private Lugnutz
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Nice snag, Mike! And extra kudos for finding it in the wild. But it's a MOTOCYCLES (..no "R"..).
Not being snarky. Love the odd branding. I have a few. Linked upthread here.
Beerhippie
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Here's an odd-looking Williams DOE:
I can't make out the apparent owner's marks--maybe CCOOS?
Here's a strange one:
128 on that side...
129 on t'other.
End stamped 7/16 is 11/16" AF, 5/16 is 1/2".
I can't make out the apparent owner's marks--maybe CCOOS?
Here's a strange one:
128 on that side...
129 on t'other.
End stamped 7/16 is 11/16" AF, 5/16 is 1/2".
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We've all done it to some poor wrench
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That's pretty custom. Made this one for a Daewoo waterpump
Provincial
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I had to grind one like that for removing and replacing the elevator trim tab jackscrew gearbox on a Beech 18 airplane.