Show off your DOE's!

[Jarhead0408]

I'll have to play a little later. I have to dig them out, but think I have north of 100. No sets though.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Per standing orders from Lugnutz, I flipped this Bonney over at the flea this morning, and uncovered my first 585-36.

Haha. Okay, nice find. Now when you find a 585-4 (3/8 x 7/16) and hand it over to me in return for a princely sum that will probably fund your flea market shopping for several months, you will be relieved of all further duties.

On second thought, please amend your standing orders to include a Bonney leatherette roll-up with five pockets for these five minty Bonney -ZENEL- electrical wrenches, which I am more than happy to oblige Outlaw's standing orders to show off (again)...

These Bonney -ZENEL- wrenches are included in the March 1945 Ordnance Supply Catalog SNL J-4, cited by the mfgr/model codes (BF-H-10 through BF-H-18) matching the model numbers stamped into their jaw faces!

While they may have been supplied to the Army without the pouch, with the pouch they would be the complete Bonney No. 20 Miniature Wrench Set as shown at the bottom of this page from the 1943 catalog.

 

[LesserSon]

Well Lug, those are lovely. All 1942? Certainly deserving of that pouch.
Here's three Barcalos. Yeah, I know, they look just like ones I previously posted, but they are new (well, to me).
And a Bendix brake adjustment wrench.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

All 1942?

The H14, H16, and H18 all have the same date code (ET); there are no date codes on the H10 and H12, but there is zero doubt in my mind that all of these were forged at the same time. I suspect that the available space within the concave panel on the shank on these miniatures was too small for a legible date code. More samples would confirm or deny this theory.

 

[twertsy]

The H14, H16, and H18 all have the same date code (ET); there are no date codes on the H10 and H12, but there is zero doubt in my mind that all of these were forged at the same time. I suspect that the available space within the concave panel on the shank on these miniatures was too small for a legible date code. More samples would confirm or deny this theory.

why do I always feel like I'm being poked in this thread...........

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Haha. Well, if you have an H10 of H12 lying around, snap some shots... I just re-inspected mine. I suppose it's possible to interpret what looks to me like a stubble of imperfection in the forging on the flip side of my H10, near the 7/32 head, as a date code, but if it is, it's illegible. There is no such stubble of any kind on the H12.

 

[twertsy]

Haha. Well, if you have an H10 of H12 lying around, snap some shots... I just re-inspected mine. I suppose it's possible to interpret what looks to me like a stubble of imperfection in the forging on the flip side of my H10, near the 7/32 head, as a date code, but if it is, it's illegible. There is no such stubble of any kind on the H12.

I have a few and will snap some shots if I remember when I get to the shop. There's a bunch of other **** I've been remiss on getting to...........

 

[twertsy]

Here are my tiny Bonneys. The top bag and the box set have small wrenches, all with dates. No stamped Ignition wrenches have dates. The wrenches in the 3 column pics all have codes. The streamline has a Y code, not supposed to exist according to some......











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[Private Lugnutz]

So, in your photo of the miniature -ZENEL- DOE's with the deep concave panel, which is the only Bonney wrenches I was referring to when I said they may not have been able to fit a date code on the tiniest sizes... You see the mark I am calling "forge stubble" near the 3/16 head on your H10? That's exactly what my H10 has. I am acknowledging that the intent of that mark might have been a date code. If so, it's not legible. Is yours?

 

[LesserSon]

So, in your photo of the miniature -ZENEL- DOE's with the deep concave panel, which is the only Bonney wrenches I was referring to when I said they may not have been able to fit a date code on the tiniest sizes... You see the mark I am calling "forge stubble" near the 3/16 head on your H10? That's exactly what my H10 has. I am acknowledging that the intent of that mark might have been a date code. If so, it's not legible. Is yours?

Your H12 looks to have a "CT" date code on the side with "Zenel," unlike the clear "ET" on the H14 and the "FT" on the H16, which bear them on the opposite side. The H18 has a date code above four dots, and the H10 has a date code above one or maybe two dots. I think a closer macro image would resolve these enough to make a guess.
I think your H wrenches are worth a careful examination, because they appear chrome-plated, and assuming that Bonney complied immediately with the 2 April 1942 restrictions, they tend to bear on the assumption that "A" is January, "B" is February, etc. One would expect to find chrome plate on AT, BT, CT, DT, but then only plain steel on ET, FT, etc.

 

[Username already in use]

Looks like some of these DOEs should be cross posted over to the 'Bonney Affliction' thread.
Nice wrenches Twertys and Lug!
Here's my contribution. Lug posted the image from the Bonney catalog:

Here's my wartime set of ignition wrenches from the same image. I'm missing the K52 feeler gauge.

And the smaller set from the catalog as well....
I see twertsy has the same 7 wrench roll (but in better condition! )

 

[jakemac]

I'll add a Bonney to the discussion. An H18 13/32-15/32 wrench.
(after derusting and polishing)
Front :

 

[jakemac]

Back :
(the "date code" isn't legible)

 

[jakemac]

And since we're posting ignition kits, here's what I think is a military roll from Proto stamped with "Keith & Keith", the pockets are labeled as well.

(I replaced a missing wrench and gauge)

 

[twertsy]

So, in your photo of the miniature -ZENEL- DOE's with the deep concave panel, which is the only Bonney wrenches I was referring to when I said they may not have been able to fit a date code on the tiniest sizes... You see the mark I am calling "forge stubble" near the 3/16 head on your H10? That's exactly what my H10 has. I am acknowledging that the intent of that mark might have been a date code. If so, it's not legible. Is yours?

I've stepped out for lunch but I'm 99% sure the little guy has a single "T" as the code. All the Zenel chrome are "KM" coded (all from same Flea vendor).

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[LesserSon]

If we're going to argue about Bonney date codes (which is, at best speculative, if not entirely futile), we should start with crisp images. This is the best I could do:
Here is my one and only H wrench, an H12 in chrome. Looking closely at the date code, I at first thought it was ET with the central bar missing from the E, because it seemed a bit square for a C. But now, I am thinking it could be a D with the round part disappearing into the center of the depressed panel.

 

[twertsy]

If we're going to argue about Bonney date codes (which is, at best speculative, if not entirely futile), we should start with crisp images. This is the best I could do:
Here is my one and only H wrench, an H12 in chrome. Looking closely at the date code, I at first thought it was ET with the central bar missing from the E, because it seemed a bit square for a C. But now, I am thinking it could be a D with the round part disappearing into the center of the depressed panel.

I don't believe anyone is arguing???? And, looks like a D to me.

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[LesserSon]

I don't believe anyone is arguing???? And, looks like a D to me.

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Sorry, Twertsy. Probably too much coffee overstimulating the inferencing centers of my brain.
That, and stress from trying to get the straight story on what the members of my suddenly crowded household are up to this weekend (and who's driving what car).

 

[twertsy]

Sorry, Twertsy. Probably too much coffee overstimulating the inferencing centers of my brain.
That, and stress from trying to get the straight story on what the members of my suddenly crowded household are up to this weekend (and who's driving what car).

No worries. Been there.

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[LesserSon]

Hey, here's a question:
As I was lurking in a flea market Sunday, I picked up a wrench with a shank like an early 1960s Snap-on VS-series - faceted depressions flanking a central raised panel. For the life of me I cannot recall the name on it, but it was a national brand, and NOT Snap-on.
Anyone notice this, or know the story behind it? If I spot another one, I will get a picture to post

Edit - corrected typo

 

[jakemac]

Raised panel V-series ?????
Are sure it's SnapOn, and not Craftsman ?

 

[LesserSon]

Raised panel V-series ?????
Are sure it's SnapOn, and not Craftsman ?

I meant VS series. Dropped the "S".

 

[LesserSon]

Like this, but with a different name on it. Not Blue Point, either.

 

[Sam'sAutoParts]

Thorsen had a wrench that was similar, the center panel was square IIRC.

 

[LesserSon]

Yes, I think that's it. There's not much difference there, except for near the heads.
Here's some combination wrenches in the wtb threads.
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=149830

How is it these two brands look so much alike?

 

[Sam'sAutoParts]

That's the one of was thinking of, you are right they look even more alike then I remembered. They have gotten me a few times at flea markets, from a few feet away they look like snappys

 

[four.cycle]

^ Thorsen (US). aka "Thorsen II". also manufactured by Thorsen for "Dayton" (Grainger's house brand), "Powr-Kraft" (Montgomery Ward) and "Blue Grass" (?).

I don't have any of the open-end types - only the combination wrenches, and am still looking for 2020 - 5/8", 2022 - 11/16", 2026 - 13/16", and 2028 - 7/8".



Here's a nice set of open-ends - NOS - unfortunately the seller apparently has been sniffing the wrong brand of glue this week:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Tho...771678?hash=item3ac36c82de:g:JX0AAOSwubRXM8b1

more delusional fantasies - textbook examples of the consequences of inhaling too many noxious fumes:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Tho...768559?hash=item3ac36c76af:g:CE8AAOSwubRXM8Uz

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Tho...770137?hash=item3ac36c7cd9:g:mWgAAOSw1KxXM8Yw

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Tho...765850?hash=item3ac36c6c1a:g:BLQAAOSw2x1XK-m1

it would appear there are many who like that style. this set of Daytons was originally listed at $10.00 + $6.00 shipping on 04/30/16:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?p=5707123&highlight=dayton#post5707123

 

[twertsy]

I believe I have that Thorsen style labeled in 2 or 3 brands.

 

[Username already in use]

I don't really know much about this type of wrench. I think they call it a tool post wrench. But it seems like they should fit in this thread. A couple of Bonney, a Williams and a Fairmount.

 

[four.cycle]

twertsy, I cannot make out the brands in the second photo due to the glare.
so... Thorsen was stamping them out for Channellock as well? interesting.

makes me wonder if they might have been stamping them out for Snap-on as well... anybody ever laid one of each of them down side by side?

or did they just coincidentally start stamping out wrenches that looked exactly alike? :

 

[twertsy]

twertsy, I cannot make out the brands in the second photo due to the glare.
so... Thorsen was stamping them out for Channellock as well? interesting.

makes me wonder if they might have been stamping them out for Snap-on as well... anybody ever laid one of each of them down side by side?

or did they just coincidentally start stamping out wrenches that looked exactly alike? :

The second pic is Dayton. Yes, I've laid them side by side and they are not the same.

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[bulletpruf]

My modest collection, all inherited from my grandfather.

Craftsman =V= three of the same size.



These were made in Canada. The brand looks like EF or something like that. It was ground off on a few. No marks on the back.





Lectrolite, Geodore, and mystery brand made in US.

 

[LesserSon]

Your mystery brand is Bridgeport, "Pyramid." Later versions look more like the Gedore.

 

[bulletpruf]

Your mystery brand is Bridgeport, "Pyramid." Later versions look more like the Gedore.

Thanks for the info.

Scott

 

[twertsy]

Some Proto LA I picked today.



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[Rileysan]

My modest collection, all inherited from my grandfather.

Craftsman =V= three of the same size.

I misread the wrenches. Changed my response. Still nice wrenches!

Brian

 

[BlueBomber]

How about a TOE?!




Smith's G-122 wrench, either totally unused, or exquisitely restored

 

[LesserSon]

What's the attraction to Proto Los Angeles? I picked up a DBE today, and it seems somewhat unremarkabke. What am I missing?

 

[LesserSon]

Yesterday, I traveled to the annual Town-Wide Yard Sale in Nescopeck, PA. Last year was awesome, even though there had been an early downpour that got a lot of steel wet.
This year, meh. Lots and lots and lots of onesies. Still managed to pick up a couple items, including this Craftsman box, which looks like it should hold Craftsman Vanadium DOEs or maybe tappet wrenches from the mid30s to early40s. The color really is a deep blue wrinkle, but age seems to have deposited a stubborn amber layer that makes the whole thing look gray-green.
Anyone know the wrenches that belong here? I have one or two, but they seem too short for the spacing.

 

[twertsy]

What's the attraction to Proto Los Angeles? I picked up a DBE today, and it seems somewhat unremarkabke. What am I missing?

Just that they were only made for 6-7 years and thus are easy to date. My opinion anyway.

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