Show off your DOE's!
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d42jeep
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It was the first one I‘ve seen. I also grabbed a brass hose sprayer in your honor at the sale.
-Don
-Don
four.cycle
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7/16" x 1/2" ???
who made it for Stromberg, would you say?
who made it for Stromberg, would you say?
d42jeep
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1/2” & 9/16”. I have no idea who made it. I wouldn’t call it a top quality product, though. It’s stamped.
-Don
-Don
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four.cycle
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most likely NOT this Stromberg:
Stromberg / Stromberg Motoscope, 2703 Belmont, Chicago, IL / "Grip Point" screwdriver /
??
(I have a Stromberg vacuum/fuel pump tester but I very seriously doubt they made it in house at a carburetor manufacturing facility.)
Stromberg was located in Chicago - they would have no shortage of neighbors capable of stamping out an open-end wrench.
Stromberg / Stromberg Motoscope, 2703 Belmont, Chicago, IL / "Grip Point" screwdriver /
??
(I have a Stromberg vacuum/fuel pump tester but I very seriously doubt they made it in house at a carburetor manufacturing facility.)
Stromberg was located in Chicago - they would have no shortage of neighbors capable of stamping out an open-end wrench.
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99TDR
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^ those are some nice old CM open-ends there. I am assuming they are the =V= production code (on the other side) -
welcome to the site!
So it seems all but one "standard" are =V= .
All the metric are -V- , and one standard (the lone -V- standard is all the way to the left).
Please share the difference ? (I assume year of manufacture?).
See below.
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99TDR
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Thanks! If I had to guess, I would have guessed =V= was earlier. I "thought" my standard DOEs were older than my metrics. But that was a long time ago.
four.cycle
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I believe the =V= preceded the -V- .... Mr. Lauver's list for some weird reason doesn't really make it very clear. 
Private Lugnutz
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That is correct.
99TDR
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Being new, not familiar with "Mr. Lauver's list" ?? plz share? tnxI believe the =V= preceded the -V- .... Mr. Lauver's list for some weird reason doesn't really make it very clear.
d42jeep
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=v= is earlier than -v- and =v= generally doesn’t have part numbers like -v- generally does. Here is the link to Lauver’s list.
www.garagejournal.com
-Don
Craftsman Hand Tool Manufacturers & Date Ranges
Last Updated: 11/13/15 (Note-- items in red are the latest updates) Early Craftsman Series (generally pre-1947, some exceptions): A-circle = Empire, ca. 1935 -1973 B-circle = Wilde, ca. 1949-1958 BC = unknown U.S. manufacturer, ca. ? BE = New Britain, ca. 1931 - 1947 BM = S-K, ca. 1939 -...
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99TDR
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Thanks Don , Geez, who would of thunk soo much talk about Craftsman hand tools. Guess they were "it" for most of us till the early 90's.=v= is earlier than -v- and =v= generally doesn’t have part numbers like -v- generally does. Here is the link to Lauver’s list.
-DonCraftsman Hand Tool Manufacturers & Date Ranges
Last Updated: 11/13/15 (Note-- items in red are the latest updates) Early Craftsman Series (generally pre-1947, some exceptions): A-circle = Empire, ca. 1935 -1973 B-circle = Wilde, ca. 1949-1958 BC = unknown U.S. manufacturer, ca. ? BE = New Britain, ca. 1931 - 1947 BM = S-K, ca. 1939 -...
GreenIron
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To my recollection, I don't think I've ever owned DOE wrenches. 
I've have worked with a couple guys(long ago) who owned and used them. I never had the need for any when I was a working stiff.
I've have worked with a couple guys(long ago) who owned and used them. I never had the need for any when I was a working stiff.
Mintgrun
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What do you call this type of wrench? I've gathered a few. This is a mix of Armstrong, Williams and one Bonney.
DOEs this count as a DOE? I cannot find information about F.W. KRAEMER, so I don't know how old it is. It doesn't look old though. I think it is a tool for straightening auto/truck frames. I've used it a few times to bend other things. It probably doesn't belong here, but it DOEs have two open ends!
Tom
DOEs this count as a DOE? I cannot find information about F.W. KRAEMER, so I don't know how old it is. It doesn't look old though. I think it is a tool for straightening auto/truck frames. I've used it a few times to bend other things. It probably doesn't belong here, but it DOEs have two open ends!
Tom
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Provincial
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The first photo shows "set screw" wrenches. They were designed for use on square head set screws, which were common in those days.
I won't know about the other one.
I won't know about the other one.
3baygarage
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I believe that other tool is probably a bending iron for orthotics and prosthetics.
I found this one on the wall of a resale shop. Unique name on it, but after seeing the forge marking, knew it has to come home with me.
I found this one on the wall of a resale shop. Unique name on it, but after seeing the forge marking, knew it has to come home with me.
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Mintgrun
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Thank you for the quick replies. I like using the set screw wrenches on welding clamps, which have a square head instead of a through rod. They really do get a good purchase on square fasteners and can apply plenty of torque. They're quite beefy.
I had seen something about orthotics while searching for the Kraemer tool. It may be inappropriate to call it a wrench.
Tom
I had seen something about orthotics while searching for the Kraemer tool. It may be inappropriate to call it a wrench.
Tom
99TDR
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3baygarage, this..
reminds me of the combo nut drivers we had when I flew radio control planes.
One fit the glow plugs, another usually the wing bolts, yet another the prop nut.
Private Lugnutz
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These "DROP FORGED" wrenches are so ubiquitous I usually ignore them.
But I flipped this one over out of habit at the flea this morning only to be greeted by this cool diagonal and underlined "DRIVER" marking. No idea what it means. Never seen one before. Look closer. The letters in the die were individually assembled.
But I flipped this one over out of habit at the flea this morning only to be greeted by this cool diagonal and underlined "DRIVER" marking. No idea what it means. Never seen one before. Look closer. The letters in the die were individually assembled.
four.cycle
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huh? 
Isaiah6113
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These "DROP FORGED" wrenches are so ubiquitous I usually ignore them.
But I flipped this one over out of habit at the flea this morning only to be greeted by this cool diagonal and underlined "DRIVER" marking. No idea what it means. Never seen one before. Look closer. The letters in the die were individually assembled.
Have a look at my Avatar; your Driver wrench might be associated with The Driver Line of Walker Turner machines.
Matthew
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..... Look closer. The letters in the die were individually assembled.
The letters were probably hand stamped into the die. Some guys were more careful than others.
Private Lugnutz
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Go figure! That's the corner of my odd and ends wrenches box I threw it in! I was thinking it may have been letterpress or something. Very cool. Thanks for the info. I knew of Walker Turner, but was not aware of a Driver line.
For sure. None of them are aligned.
Mintgrun
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This little 10 inch bandsaw I recently picked up would use a 5/16" x 1/4" DOE to adjust the blade guides. Sorry for the crappy photo, but I think they had a very cool logo.
Private Lugnutz
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I agree!
Since they were so demonstrative on actualizing market terminology (i.e., not just "DRIVER", but "THE DRIVER LINE") into the badge itself, I'm starting to think that line underneath the letters means more, is more than just a generic, emphatic, overeager underscore.
Here you go Lugz, from the 1931 catalog - I believe I found your wrench:Go figure! That's the corner of my odd and ends wrenches box I threw it in! I was thinking it may have been letterpress or something. Very cool. Thanks for the info. I knew of Walker Turner, but was not aware of a Driver line.
For sure. None of them are aligned.
Private Lugnutz
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Sure looks that way! Thanks, Outlaw.
Rbcsci
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Years ago, when I heard that Craftsman wrenches were no longer being made in the USA, I took a ride to my local Sears and went through all the racks, buying up the few loose ones that had “Forged in the USA” on them. This was the biggest prize of the day - 1 1/2” x 1 5/8”. The 1/2” is for scale.
Tostal
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Private Lugnutz
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Despite the branding, I was thinking some kind of tank wrench when I picked this up this morning at the flea.
No other DOE wrench THIS small has openings (1-1/4" x 11/16") THAT big!
But the "EVEREADY" name kept nagging at me for the same reasons that it may be nagging at you. Well, I just figured it out.
This 1922 ad shows that Oxweld Acetylene was using the "EVEREADY" brand on its regulators.
Okay. Good to know. But how and why?
This 1920 article pointing out that Oxweld Acetlyne replaced their "Prest-O-Lite" branding with "Eveready" was also helpful.
But neither one explains how Oxweld Acetlyne was using a brand name associated with batteries since the turn of the century.
Per Wikipedia, in 1914, the American Ever Ready Company (formerly American Novelty and Manufacturing Company) was acquired by National Carbon Company, which merged with Union Carbide to form the Union Carbide and Carbon Company.
Great. But what does that have to do with Oxweld?
The bingo moment was this 1930 article pointing out that Union Carbide and Carbon owned Oxweld Acetylene.
No other DOE wrench THIS small has openings (1-1/4" x 11/16") THAT big!
But the "EVEREADY" name kept nagging at me for the same reasons that it may be nagging at you. Well, I just figured it out.
This 1922 ad shows that Oxweld Acetylene was using the "EVEREADY" brand on its regulators.
Okay. Good to know. But how and why?
This 1920 article pointing out that Oxweld Acetlyne replaced their "Prest-O-Lite" branding with "Eveready" was also helpful.
But neither one explains how Oxweld Acetlyne was using a brand name associated with batteries since the turn of the century.
Per Wikipedia, in 1914, the American Ever Ready Company (formerly American Novelty and Manufacturing Company) was acquired by National Carbon Company, which merged with Union Carbide to form the Union Carbide and Carbon Company.
Great. But what does that have to do with Oxweld?
The bingo moment was this 1930 article pointing out that Union Carbide and Carbon owned Oxweld Acetylene.
Private Lugnutz
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TLDR: Yes. 
four.cycle
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yes... Eveready = Union Carbide
never knew there was any connection to Oxweld though. could they have gotten the letters in that die any more wonky?
what surprised me was the connection to Prest-O-Lite.
never knew there was any connection to Oxweld though. could they have gotten the letters in that die any more wonky?
what surprised me was the connection to Prest-O-Lite.
Private Lugnutz
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Me neither! Again, I'm thinking gas all the way, but the name was making me question myself.
I know! The second wrench I have had in a week in which each figure in the dieblock was obviously hand-emplaced.
four.cycle
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There was a reason why both "Oxweld" and "Airco" found places in the list - both of them were directly responsible for a whole bunch of different wrenches. While the connection to Union Carbide shouldn't come as any surprise, I'm still a bit puzzled about the "Prest-O-Lite" connection, although that may well be my having been misinformed in the past about Prest-O-Lite.
The manner in which the letters were set up in the die makes me wonder if that was a one-off run of that particular size, perhaps? (It is, I'm sure you'll agree, an odd duck.)
The manner in which the letters were set up in the die makes me wonder if that was a one-off run of that particular size, perhaps? (It is, I'm sure you'll agree, an odd duck.)
Provincial
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Carbide was the predecessor of acetylene as a welding gas. The gas was generated on site from solid carbide.