Show us your cool, "old" drill press

[68 Coupe]

I haven't been able to do much research on this yet, but this was my Grandpa's Walker Turner that he bought sometime in the '50s. As with most of his equipment, this was the first drill press I ever used.

If I am reading the tag correctly, I think it was manufactured in 1944? Does anybody know what motors these were equipped with? I don't think the Craftsman motor would have been from the factory (probably from a different decade too?).

It does work, but can definitely use some TLC. There is a slight wobble which I haven't had time to figure out, possibly the chuck or more likely a bearing. and it has some surface rust that needs attention. Hopefully I can keep this thing going for a few more decades

 

[jrny99]

That's a rare happening first post and a you ****!!!!
Good one

**** ?

 

[Sunbimmer]

I'm bidding on this one...



It's a Delta DP 220 pretty rare here in the Netherlands.
Current bid is 65,00 Euro's that is roughly US $90.00.

 

[jakemac]

**** ?

Around here that's a high compliment.


Rule #1
You can not **** yourself on GJ.

Rule #2
See rule #1


Welcome to the forum.

 

[Outlawmws]

Holy Cow Sunbimmer, if you get it let us know what size chuck is holding the "little" chuck! The thing look near 3X what it should be!

 

[drivesitfar]

Sun: that Delta looks like it is in pristine shape and with the nice vise too. i bet it goes for twice what you have bid so far and looks well worth it. by the way we have several members on GJ that live close to you so not sure why you would put an auction in progress on here before you buy it. do you have any questions?

Outlaw: could that big thing on the chuck be that Craftsman speed control device i found? otherwise that chuck is the biggest one I've seen on a bench vise.

 

[Sunbimmer]

Sun: that Delta looks like it is in pristine shape and with the nice vise too. i bet it goes for twice what you have bid so far and looks well worth it. by the way we have several members on GJ that live close to you so not sure why you would put an auction in progress on here before you buy it. do you have any questions?

I just wanted to show this drill press so you guys can maybe give some comments on it.
I hope I will be the highest bidder and it will be mine, I WANT it
As said before you don't see them US machines too often over here and one like this is on my wishlist for a long time now.
Plans are to restore it and bring it in an even better shape then it already is (I will post the restoration process here ).
Is that chuck really that big , I'm not quite an expert on drill presses so yeah if I have it there will be lots of questions I'm sure of that.

 

[Outlawmws]

SNIP

Outlaw: could that big thing on the chuck be that Craftsman speed control device i found? otherwise that chuck is the biggest one I've seen on a bench vise.

Nope. its an over-sized (3/4" cap?) chuck and the chuck below it has it's shank turned and chucked into the larger chuck, as the large chuck won't hold smaller drills... Go ahead, ask me how I know?

 

[Revere Cycles]

Here's a photo of a Buffalo Forge Model 15 that I picked up in late 2012 at an estate sale for $175. It came with a new Westinghouse motor wired for single phase and a vise. No play in the bearings, and no rust that some 600 grit sandpaper and WD-40 didn't remove. I found a "Quadrill" attachment for this particular model which is great for when I need to switch between multiple bits often.

It's been a phenomenal press, and I think the fact that it was made in my region of NY makes it that much more interesting. I was previously using an old Rockwell "CompacTool" bench top press which was just not big enough for some of the stuff I was getting into. I kept the Rockwell for some more delicate work, like jewelry and smaller items, but I may pass it along soon.

 

[Outlawmws]

Nice Buffalo, and nice RAS as well! If you are going to have a RAS that's the one to have!

 

[Revere Cycles]

Nice Buffalo, and nice RAS as well! If you are going to have a RAS that's the one to have!

Thanks! I just finished a complete teardown overhaul on the RAS, which included fresh wiring and a new on/off switch. (I lost the key in a move) My uncle has the 16" version in his lumber shop, which has been in constant service since new; they really are great saws.

 

[Outlawmws]

Yep, I have a 12" and two 8" (one dead...) but by far the best RAS I've ever used.

 

[Deskmechanic]

Here's my inherited Delta DP-220. Unfortunately the spindle is bent, it has pretty bad runout. It also has the high-speed pulley, so I'm either going to adapt a treadmill motor or find a jackshaft setup somewhere.

The press belonged to my grandpa, he must have bought it without motor since the one on there is a Craftsman motor of the same vintage. He used it for wood mostly, which explains the faster pulley. Though it does have the larger guard.

The base is something I found on CL, it has three drawers behind the cover. I believe it's from the early '60s. My grandpa had the press mounted on an ugly and space-inefficient stand made from 2x4s and plywood. It was sturdy, but I have a small shop and this lets me store bits as well as other small items under it. The stand was a little flimsy so I added a top of MDF. One of these days I will repaint to match the DP. I am also on the hunt for the optional retractable casters.

 

[nine4gmc]

Excellent base Deskmechanic!

 

[Woody53]

Here are pictures of my drill press. It is a 20 inch Delta Rockwell. I got it free from the company I worked for about 10 years ago. It had a 3 phase motor on it. It has been setting in the shop until I retired on 12/31/13. I made a motor mount for it and put a 1.5 horse motor on it that my son gave to me from the company he worked for. It was brand new and they were going to throw it away because it did not fit anything they had. I spent $21.00 dollars on bushings to make the pulley fit on the new motor. So I have a whole $21.00 in it. Should have done this years ago. It works great.

 

[Sunbimmer]

Excellent base Deskmechanic!

Excellent DP Deskmechanic

 

[Fretters]

Here are pictures of my drill press. It is a 20 inch Delta Rockwell. I got it free from the company I worked for about 10 years ago. It had a 3 phase motor on it. It has been setting in the shop until I retired on 12/31/13. I made a motor mount for it and put a 1.5 horse motor on it that my son gave to me from the company he worked for. It was brand new and they were going to throw it away because it did not fit anything they had. I spent $21.00 dollars on bushings to make the pulley fit on the new motor. So I have a whole $21.00 in it. Should have done this years ago. It works great.

That's a corking price for what's quite a good bit of kit, I've heard.

 

[Deskmechanic]

Excellent DP Deskmechanic

Thanks guys.

 

[drivesitfar]

Woody: welcome to Garage Journal and from the sounds of it you'll fit right in. $21 for a old Delta drill press is a can't loose investment and it looks like it works too. glad to have you aboard.

DeskMech: that is one sweet DP sitting in your shop and wondering how i can get one like that in mine. did you buy it like that or did you do the restore. either way nice DP.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I'm in the process of hopefully buying this Buffalo Forge Drill press. It's my first drill press and will be my first attempt at restoration. It's missing the motor. He only wants $25 for it, which I thought was a steal. What do you guys think?

 

[Outlawmws]

For $25 I think it should be in your garage already.

Is it a Camel back?

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

For $25 I think it should be in your garage already.

Is it a Camel back?

Right when I got a hold of the guy I start working a bunch of overtime. So I can't get to him until Friday i'm hoping he holds it.

I started researching the company and doing image searches, I think it is a Camel back. It's a crappy picture but it looks like it has a belt but it's missing the cover and a motor. From what I could find online I think it should have a 1/4 hp motor does that sound right?

 

[Woody53]

drivesitfar: Thanks. It has been working great, we have been using it to drill some wedding decorations for my son's wedding next week.

 

[Outlawmws]

Do you have other pics? It's difficult to say with that one.

 

[DHS]

If anyone local to central FL wants a Large Camelback I have a big Sibley that I am never going to use.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Do you have other pics? It's difficult to say with that one.

I have more pictures... I bought it today. It's a little rough but with research and info from you guys I think I can bring her back to life.

It's a Buffalo Junior, with a Jacob's Ball Bearing Super Chuck no. 14n Cap.0-1/2

Any ideas on motors or what i'm missing?

I'm pretty sure all the **** hanging off the back was some sort of cobbed motor support.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

**** I just found this picture on line and it looks like i'm missing a bunch of parts.

 

[Outlawmws]

Yup, that's what it was originally. Fairly common drive system as these were often driven of a plant's main drive shafts back in the day, not individual motors.

Do you want it original? Or do you want it more usable? you can hinge a motor mount plate off the jack shaft boss pretty easily, and use a tread mill motor (Variable speed) and keep the flat belts.

By hinging it off the back like that you can use the hinge as a tensioner, (My huge Candey/Otto used a hinged motor plate like I'm describing)

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I wanted to make it original but after seeing everything i'm missing I really like your idea of a hinged motor mount. Do you have any pics? I googled it and got a pretty good idea of what your saying.

Even though it's missing all the pulleys $25 still seems like a good deal to me.

 

[drivesitfar]

Jacob,
another option is to keep it as a parts DP in case you find another one that has a few missing parts.

good luck

 

[Fretters]

I wanted to make it original but after seeing everything i'm missing I really like your idea of a hinged motor mount. Do you have any pics? I googled it and got a pretty good idea of what your saying.

Something akin to a UJ yoke with a flat plate bolted to it for the motor to mount to, with the yoke then slipping over that pivot flange and a pin/bolt slipped through. As Outlaw says, it's a good self tensioning system.

Even though it's missing all the pulleys $25 still seems like a good deal to me.

It's a steal, IMHO. I'd have snapped that up for the price. You could quite easily make it look almost original with minimal parts and fabrication.

 

[jabberwoki]

I wanted to make it original but after seeing everything i'm missing I really like your idea of a hinged motor mount. Do you have any pics? I googled it and got a pretty good idea of what your saying.

Even though it's missing all the pulleys $25 still seems like a good deal to me.

Try the bring out your dead forum on OLD WOODWORKING MACHINES owm.org I think
You might find some original parts, don`t give up on this idea.

 

[jakemac]

I wanted to make it original but after seeing everything i'm missing I really like your idea of a hinged motor mount. Do you have any pics? I googled it and got a pretty good idea of what your saying.

Even though it's missing all the pulleys $25 still seems like a good deal to me.

Restore the parts you have in hand, make it look pretty, then display it in your home or shop as ManArt until you find the parts that are missing. Keep adding to it, eventually you'll have a fully restored machine. Make it a long term hobby.

 

[catalytic]

Real nooooooob question but how are you guys clamping work to this type of plate?

I have been using two steel tube blocks with several clamps to keep the drill from going down into the plate...

Production tables were designed so that shops could drill/tap/whatever them to affix custom workholding fixtures. For general use, I highly recommend either of these:

Heinrich 13" Safety Drill Vise:


Or the Wahlstrom gloat lock drill vise:



The reason why you want one is that they prevent the work from twisting as well as lifting. If you have been around machines enough, then you have seen someone get their steel caught on the drill bit and start spinning...this is really dangerous. Usually the best case scenario is it just hits the column and stops, jerking your chuck/spindle out of alignment (ever wonder why so many used drills have a column ding on the left side and a wobble in the chuck?)

I prefer the Heinrich and have them both at home and in the shop. You typically drill/tap one small hole in the back left corner of your production table to use these. Or if this bothers you, then use a clamp or a subplate.

 

[Outlawmws]

Jake, you can keep looking for parts, but you can get it operational as well in the mean time...

Here is the Canedy Otto motor plate: The hinge is obvious, The ears could be spherical rod ends, (Heim Joints) and the boss for your directions changing pulley can be bushed down if needed. That locked bolt in the center of my plate is the stop/adjuster.

 

[Outlawmws]

In the production table question, you can use a std DP vise for most things, for bigger things, esp. those likely to catch, bolt the vise or the part to something longer, and let that longer something rest against the column; then if it catches, it's not getting bashed.

 

[Hot Chop shop]

Production tables were designed so that shops could drill/tap/whatever them to affix custom workholding fixtures. For general use, I highly recommend either of these:



Heinrich 13" Safety Drill Vise:





Or the Wahlstrom gloat lock drill vise:







The reason why you want one is that they prevent the work from twisting as well as lifting. If you have been around machines enough, then you have seen someone get their steel caught on the drill bit and start spinning...this is really dangerous. Usually the best case scenario is it just hits the column and stops, jerking your chuck/spindle out of alignment (ever wonder why so many used drills have a column ding on the left side and a wobble in the chuck?)



I prefer the Heinrich and have them both at home and in the shop. You typically drill/tap one small hole in the back left corner of your production table to use these. Or if this bothers you, then use a clamp or a subplate.

In the production table question, you can use a std DP vise for most things, for bigger things, esp. those likely to catch, bolt the vise or the part to something longer, and let that longer something rest against the column; then if it catches, it's not getting bashed.

Hey thanks for the info!
I almost had this great old school wilton machinist mill vise. It's was 6in with a big "W" on it... Gotta be fast around the GJ folks!

 

[67carl]

I've been looking for a Craftsman King Seely for awhile and thought I had one here local. Called the guy to talk about it -"yeah, it's in great shape, runs good", he says. We shoot the shi* a little and I ask about taking a look, plugging it in to see it run. He says "well, someone cut the plug off so I can't plug it in". What? Then he says the power toggle switch is "loose" and "may not be wired in". Double What?! Then he says "the pinion gear may have some damage as the action is not smooth". So at this point I say no thanks. He wanted $150 for it!

Fast forward to earlier this week and my CList search found one outside my area, a little more than an hours drive away. Too far to make it worthwhile to drive there as I would burn up too much money in gas. I decided to call the guy and just ask him if he planned on being in my area anytime soon. Whats to lose? He has a friend who comes down here a couple days a week to work and he could bring it down next week for me to look at it. I agreed that if it is what he says I would buy it.

So, long story but I may finally have my Craftsman KS drill press next week! It's a bench top model and comes with a foot pedal power switch. Needs some work but thats what I want - a resto project. Thanks to all who have posted good info here that will assist me when I start the resto. A few of his crappy Clist pics:

 

[67carl]

Other view...

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Restore the parts you have in hand, make it look pretty, then display it in your home or shop as ManArt until you find the parts that are missing. Keep adding to it, eventually you'll have a fully restored machine. Make it a long term hobby.

Jake, you can keep looking for parts, but you can get it operational as well in the mean time...

Thanks for the help. I going to restore what I have and try to fab a motor mount like Outlaws. I'll take pics and see how it goes I don't have much experience with restoration or custom fab. But what better to learn on then a machine that already doesn't work.