Show us your cool, "old" drill press

[Outlawmws]

I'll have to defer to the Walker Jocks...

 

[Dusty-NZ]

I find it interesting that some beautifully restored drill presses are being shown in white paint. Great work guys

I hate it that my drill press is white and plan on changing it to something else one day . I guess I just like things to blend in a little more in my shed .

Maybe gold ?

 

[Evergreentree]

So I'm leaning towards this craftsman. Replacement parts easy to come by? What do you guys think of it? Good all rounder?

Asking $150btw.

 

[Outlawmws]

If that is a floor model, it should have the 2-3/4" column if smaller, (2-1/2" or less...) it's decent, but not quite as heavy duty.

The key question is if its a 4 speed or not for your purposes. $150 it better be in pristine mechanical condition: no runout, no quill slop and the table in good shape.

 

[Evergreentree]

It is a 150v 1/2 hp adjustable speed floor model. I asked him the serial or model number a few days ago, but he provided the motor number, 1156962.

So because it is adjustable speed, this will be useful for a wide range of applications? Any idea on speed range?

Thanks a lot.

 

[S4cruiser]

That motor seems to not be a variable speed but a 115v 1750rpm motor.

http://www.vintagemachinery.org/pubs/detail.aspx?id=3331

If it's just a 4 speed model then you will need to source one of the slow speed center pulley units to make it more suitable for metal drilling.

I really like these vintage craftsman presses and that price seems in line with what I've seen in my area. Vintage tools in my area are not as plentiful as others and prices seem to be higher than west coast and up north. Unfortunately the one you posted seems to be missing the spindle cover and those can command ~50 bucs by them self on eBay.

 

[Evergreentree]

Ok s4. Couple follow up questions. I apologize in advance if they seem elementary.

I get the motor is set on one speed, so how is the speed adjustable?

What do you mean by source the center pulley?

And thank you very much for your info

 

[S4cruiser]

The pulley (there are two of them) have 4 slots. Move the belt from slot to slot and it changes the rpm at the chuck.

Adding a third pulley to the mix increases your speed range to 16 speeds. The third pulley mounts to the center column. These were an option when new but finding one second hand is tough. It's actually easier to make one yourself or find someone that offers a reproduction.

 

[Evergreentree]

I figured that what the slots on the pulley were for. I've no real experience on a dp, obviously. So the idea then is to find a dp with center pulley, find a center pulley, or buy a dp with an adjustable motor..

So with this set up, I can still drill metal, though smaller diameter? Any idea on speed of slowest belt/pulley setting or hole diameter capability in metal? And, are the center pulley somewhat generic?

 

[1930artdeco]

Evergreentree, I have an Atlas DP that was part of a gang head set up (several DP set up in a row) that is similar to your first pic. It is beefy and will drill anything in wood. Steel I would be careful with just due to speed. But if you take it slowly enough, then you should be able to drill into 1/4 easily. But then I am no expert-that is why I come here.

Mike

 

[S4cruiser]

I figured that what the slots on the pulley were for. I've no real experience on a dp, obviously. So the idea then is to find a dp with center pulley, find a center pulley, or buy a dp with an adjustable motor..

Yes, exactly

So with this set up, I can still drill metal, though smaller diameter? Any idea on speed of slowest belt/pulley setting or hole diameter capability in metal? And, are the center pulley somewhat generic?

Yes and patience so you don't burn up bits...taking breaks so the bit can cool down. The center pulley can be generic. I picked up one fron JZiggy for my recent Craftsman 150 restore. Take a look at his drill press thread for details. There are also speed charts out there for bit size when drilling metal. Here is a random one from Google.

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[Evergreentree]

Arts eco-love to see a pic! Are you referring to the dp that says craftsman on it?

S4-I've only ever seen,used foreign Junkers with covers, so since I've been into older things of late, even seeing the pulley(s) was new to me, but was obvious. So beyond drill bit damage, using higher speed won't hurt the dp?

 

[zkling]

Please read my posts in this thread.

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=314509

One thing that I didn't feel like mentioning in that thread, was the other big factor, rigidity. Reducing speed can at times make up for lack of rigidity, but one still has to work within the limitations of the machine. As for that old craftsman I'd have to see it in person or at least a full on shot. Also depends on what else you have for sale in your area and how fast you need a machine. It's a decent machine for general home shop work, say ~3/8" holes in steel, but don't expect to be chucking up a 1" S&D bit and going to town.

 

[Evergreentree]

Z-I understand. I want a machine that can grow as my experience grows, and uses increase. I want to buy one dp, and keep it a lifetime or two. The only other do local is what consensus says is a w. Turner, which I hear tell have bearing replacement issues. I guess I can Waite for something ideal, as I should. Patience is not a gift of mine...

I would be doing general and personal shop work, but one never knows what will have to be done down the line...I want one all rounder.

Here's the other local one. Sorry for the multiple same pic postings guys

 

[Outlawmws]

Pulley Chart; your speeds wil vary depending on the motors RPM dn specific pulley dia's

That's for the typical 4 groove pulleys, and this is how someone else did it:

 

[CommanderCarry]

I have enjoyed the drill presses in this thread. I thought I'd throw in with my "collection". Walker Turner 900 series, Walker Turner 700 series, Darra James benchtop, and Atlas Model 73.

The WT 936 has the #2 MT accessory attachment with original 1/2HP Driver motor. The WT 700 is in really good shape with original 1/3HP Driver motor, now undergoing cleanup and lube. The Darra James 350 is just a baby and has been designated for drum sander duty. The Atlas Model 73 has been totally gone through with new bearings and paint. Original Atlas 1/2HP motor. Not a museum piece but not bad neither.

I have lusted for a vintage Delta 17", but the Walker Turners and Atlas are nothin to sneeze at. I think I'm good for now.

Scott

 

[mike93lx]

1942ish Charles Allen Drill. It is most similar to their more recent Type 2, but I don't know the model number, if there is one. The previous owner did a lot a research when he rebuilt it and provided me with a bunch of materials from the manufacturer, who is still in business and is located about 45 minutes from me.
Motor is a 1938 Emerson 1/2 hp 3 phase. The leads have worn out and are shorting to the case. I'm hoping that I can have it fixed instead of needing to replace it.

According to the scale at my town's transfer station, it weighs about 1,500lbs

That vise alone is close to, if not over, 100lbs. The table has a serious knee screw for height adjustment and the quill is counterweighted for easy adjustments.

If there is any interest, I can take more pics.

 

[Evergreentree]

Outlaw-thank you for the simplified speed pulley picture. I understand the variables.

Commander-cool stuff. Ever have to replace the bearings on the turners? Who supplied them if you did?

 

[zkling]

Ever have to replace the bearings on the turners? Who supplied them if you did?

They are not impossible to source or repair, they just used some odd size bearings (not standard inside to outside race dimensions). There are ways to get around this. Same happens on some of the delta presses for the spindle pulley.

1942ish Charles Allen Drill.
If there is any interest, I can take more pics.

Very nice machine.

 

[Evergreentree]

Thanks zkling

 

[exmaxima1]

They are not impossible to source or repair, they just used some odd size bearings (not standard inside to outside race dimensions). There are ways to get around this. Same happens on some of the delta presses for the spindle pulley.

My WT needed special bearings with extended races. Got them from:

Walker Turner Serviced Machinery, LLC

It cost more to refurbish my WT than I could sell it for. Never again.

 

[zkling]

My WT needed special bearings with extended races. Got them from:

Walker Turner Serviced Machinery, LLC

It cost more to refurbish my WT than I could sell it for. Never again.

Yeah, in those cases I just use a larger inner race and machine a sleeve to make up the difference. I have a 15"? bench top WT down in the basement (not sure on model, 900 maybe). And O yes, restoring a full size machine is more a labor of love than anything.

 

[exmaxima1]

Yeah, in those cases I just use a larger inner race and machine a sleeve to make up the difference.

Great idea. Could have saved a bundle.

 

[mike93lx]

Very nice machine.

Thanks. When I saw it for $400, along with all of the documentation, it seemed like an easy decision. I regretted that a bit when I had to load it up for the trip home, but so far, it's been great, if for nothing more than a conversation piece.

 

[zkling]

Thanks. When I saw it for $400, along with all of the documentation, it seemed like an easy decision. I regretted that a bit when I had to load it up for the trip home, but so far, it's been great, if for nothing more than a conversation piece.

Could always make a nice cocktail table with a built in drink mixer.

 

[Straightgrain]

I picked up this 14" Delta 220 locally from a Craigslist ad for $100. According to a list posted on Vintage Machinery, the serial number dates to 1951.

 

[don long]

I picked up another old belt drive drill press the other day
This gives me 3 belt drive presses
This one has a tire driver off a disc

Here are a couple shots of my other drill presses. Each one is a bit different from the others

After seeing some of these presses on this thread I'm excited to get started on mine.

 

[454ragtop]

Don, That's way cool! How well does that variable speed work with that rubber drive wheel?
Jim

 

[don long]

I have no idea I just unloaded it and it started to rain so I just put it in the building and didn't really look at it

 

[bagged89s10]

Show us your cool, "old" drill press

I just picked up this Craftsman drill press with vari-slo speed control.

There are no model badges on this one but I think it's the 100. It has the 10x10 tilt table.


It came with a craftsman stand.

And this plate that bolts to the table with an overkill light mount.



Here it is running.

So I guess it works on the belts slipping and tightening to change speeds. I think this setup of the belt slipping a little is great for drilling steel and not worrying about breaking bits if they get caught in a burr. I do need to clean it up and put new belts on. I don't know why but the previous owner took the label off the motor too. It's a craftsman motor. Anyone know what size motor was probably sold by craftsman for this drill press? How can I find out he power?

 

[Evergreentree]

That's exactly what I was looking for bagged! Awesome man!

I'm looking at an alien head Dunlap today. A client has that and some vises for me to look at. I know the Dunlap is different then the craftsman in quality, but still a good useable dp by today's standards, and cool looking.

What are the opinions on the bench top alien head Dunlaps?

 

[bagged89s10]

That's exactly what I was looking for bagged! Awesome man!

I'm looking at an alien head Dunlap today. A client has that and some vises for me to look at. I know the Dunlap is different then the craftsman in quality, but still a good useable dp by today's standards, and cool looking.

What are the opinions on the bench top alien head Dunlaps?

Thanks.

I think the Dunlap drill presses are great too. It's like the duro drill press I have, which I need to put back together and sell now.

 

[Evergreentree]

Is there a dp repair thread? I don't know squat about dps, and I don't want to clog up this thread with questions. I'd like advice on a new dp belt. the link belts have mixed responses. Anyone make suggestions on what kind of dp belt I should get?

 

[tool_scrounge]

Re: Show us your cool, "old" drill press

I just picked up this Craftsman drill press with vari-slo speed control. Anyone know what size motor was probably sold by craftsman for this drill press? How can I find out he power?

Usually the ones I have seen have a 1/2hp 1725rpm motor. What size is the motor shaft (1/2 or 5/8")? It looks like a model 100. Is the table two piece so it can rotate left to right or is it fixed?

 

[bagged89s10]

Re: Show us your cool, "old" drill press

Usually the ones I have seen have a 1/2hp 1725rpm motor. What size is the motor shaft (1/2 or 5/8")? It looks like a model 100. Is the table two piece so it can rotate left to right or is it fixed?

Yes it has the tilt table which I hear means it's a 100. The motor shaft is 1/2".

 

[McBrownie]

Don, That's way cool! How well does that variable speed work with that rubber drive wheel?
Jim

It sure looks like you move the tire closer to the center of the drive wheel/plate to make it go slower and towards the outside to speed it up.

 

[McBrownie]

Is there a dp repair thread? I don't know squat about dps, and I don't want to clog up this thread with questions. I'd like advice on a new dp belt. the link belts have mixed responses. Anyone make suggestions on what kind of dp belt I should get?

I got some good info on drill press belts when I asked on this thread:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=312834

Edit: I ended up going with cogged belts and they work just fine. Much cheaper than link belts too.

 

[Evergreentree]

Thanks frank and mc

 

[Outlawmws]

Linked belts do have advantages, one is being completely adjustable, another is they don't develop "flats spots" from sitting wrapped around a small Dia pulley, so many if not most of the small mill and lathe folks like them. (especially when you have to disassemble a lathe head to replace belts...)

Another advantage is the linked are easy to get (HF has good US made linked belts for instance). Brick and mortar places to get cogged belts are getting sparce, and on line ordering requires you to know an exact size.

Yes they are slightly more expensive, but there are advantages.

All that said, for most DP/table saw use, a std belt is still fine. but when I next replace a belt I'm going with linked...

 

[Evergreentree]

Wonder if tsc has link belts? Off to check out the Dunlap and some vises! Good trip for a rainy day! I'll post it if I get it!