those are Klutch welding table clamps. They have threaded ends with a nut, so I tapped 4 holes in the gutter of the table, allows a ton of different quick setups etc
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those are Klutch welding table clamps. They have threaded ends with a nut, so I tapped 4 holes in the gutter of the table, allows a ton of different quick setups etc
New guy Looking for some assistance.
I have restored a couple presses in the past and sold them off and now have the itch to do another but I am looking for a heavy duty press to keep and use in my fab shop.
Thinking about Pulling the trigger on one of these two DP’s but not sure which one yet.
Does anyone know anything about this delta/rockwell ? I can’t make out the serial number completely and have searched everywhere trying to locate more pictures of one like it. They are asking a firm $500 for it.
The other DP is a walker turner 3 phase in pretty good condition and can get it for $100.
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I have restored a couple presses in the past and sold them off and now have the itch to do another but I am looking for a heavy duty press to keep and use in my fab shop.
Thinking about Pulling the trigger on one of these two DP’s but not sure which one yet.
Does anyone know anything about this delta/rockwell ? I can’t make out the serial number completely and have searched everywhere trying to locate more pictures of one like it. They are asking a firm $500 for it.
The other DP is a walker turner 3 phase in pretty good condition and can get it for $100.
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The Delta looks like a production unit. If it comes with everything in the following photo, I'd be throwing the 500 to the guy as fast as I could get there. Looks like 4 tapping heads and a couple more chucks. You could probably make you money back easily on the tapping heads.
Also, the table is probably worth the 500 alone, as it's a wet table.
Also, the table is probably worth the 500 alone, as it's a wet table.
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They're both the same press. Delta is just a later version of the Walker Turner. Dad has an even later version with the more modern version of the feedbox. Decent press, but not very heavy. They won't do much over 3/4". Some are MT2, some MT3. What do you wanna know.
PS, those tapping heads are money, I'd certainly love to have a few of those.
PS, those tapping heads are money, I'd certainly love to have a few of those.
Yes it comes with the tapping heads. I was hoping to find a manual or additional photos of one like it.
I am actually taking the 2 hour hike right now to snag the W/T as it is a more heavy duty press that I am looking for but definitely intrigued with the delta. Can’t go see the delta until next Saturday as they are out of town.
Soon to be at the court house parting ways with the wife if I come home with both. Lol
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Have a friend hide the WT and only let the wife know about the Delta for now. After things cool down, "find" the WT for a steal of a price!
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I'll send you whatever photos you want. But if you've got the Walker Turner then there is no point. They are literally the same except for a few design changes. 21" Swing btw.
Too light for most of what I want to do, but good for a lot of folks. Low speed is about 260 RPM. High is close to 3k. Can't run a 3/8" Counterbore without chattering unless you have a VFD to slow it down.
Lol. Just picked up the WT and now have to ease that delta in the shop without her seeing it for a few days.
I would really like to see a picture of the entire press with a full view of the table. Would really like to locate a manual to it.
The WT has made it home and now trying to locate a model or serial number off it so I can try and locate a manual for it. Missing a couple parts but I can find replacements or make them. Let the resto begin.
There was some requests that I post this here. Here is a speed reduction pulley for my Walker Turner 944 Floor model press. Some research and ideas where provided here from the forum folks: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459222&page=2
Basically I copied the original reduction pulley design somewhat, here is the material list.
- 3/4" threaded rod that goes through the stock mounting hole. With some nuts to tighten it all down.
- 1.5" Exhaust Tubing that I used to press fit in the 3/4" pulley (outer diameter 40mm), I have one top and about an inch or so down. Around the outer diameter of the bearing I added red locktite to hold it in place. The pulleys are a very snug fit in the tubing. Highly doubt they are going anywhere.
- 3/4" Smooth shaft to slide into the 3/4" I.D Bearing.
- 15$ Pulley from local store that is close in dimension to motor side pulley.
- Two Belts that I measured to get distances accurate.
- Added some paint around the collar for that "cool" look.
With the threaded rod it allows me to pull/push the pulley for the various steps. And also the drill press has has an adjustment that's part of it to allow the motor and column to pull in/out away from the spindle pull. This allows to to adjust the belt tightness depending on the step I am on.
Threaded rod was tack welded to the last nut which is also tack welded to the tubing. The pulley height can be adjusted by releasing the set screw inside of it and slide the pulley up/down to match the height of the Spindle & Motor Pulley.
Based on my calculations slowest speed I can get with this setup is just below 300 rpm. Which is plenty for any kind of drilling I'd do through steel.
Basically I copied the original reduction pulley design somewhat, here is the material list.
- 3/4" threaded rod that goes through the stock mounting hole. With some nuts to tighten it all down.
- 1.5" Exhaust Tubing that I used to press fit in the 3/4" pulley (outer diameter 40mm), I have one top and about an inch or so down. Around the outer diameter of the bearing I added red locktite to hold it in place. The pulleys are a very snug fit in the tubing. Highly doubt they are going anywhere.
- 3/4" Smooth shaft to slide into the 3/4" I.D Bearing.
- 15$ Pulley from local store that is close in dimension to motor side pulley.
- Two Belts that I measured to get distances accurate.
- Added some paint around the collar for that "cool" look.
With the threaded rod it allows me to pull/push the pulley for the various steps. And also the drill press has has an adjustment that's part of it to allow the motor and column to pull in/out away from the spindle pull. This allows to to adjust the belt tightness depending on the step I am on.
Threaded rod was tack welded to the last nut which is also tack welded to the tubing. The pulley height can be adjusted by releasing the set screw inside of it and slide the pulley up/down to match the height of the Spindle & Motor Pulley.
Based on my calculations slowest speed I can get with this setup is just below 300 rpm. Which is plenty for any kind of drilling I'd do through steel.
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IMO: 2 things are less than optimal in that setup. First: If the step pulleys are matched as to the amount of "step", all you have to do to change speed is flip the belt from set to set to change speeds without moving them center to center. Second: 300 rpm is still too fast for a lot of drilling operations, especially hole saws.
The pulley are as close as a match as I could find locally. The step counts are equal, it is the the diameter of the pulley itself that is slightly smaller if I recall it was like .5" less than the OEM pulley. To source the actual pulley the OEM was over $100.
What is considered a good speed then? From the reading I had done at the time anything in the 250 range would be fine? I' have to dig up my nots as I started this project back earlier in the year, then it went on the back burner etc. I think my number was somewhere in the 250s if I do recall maybe not quite 300. But I'd have to check my notes & calculations.
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Also on the larger Canedy-Otto presses
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Just brought this home. Had been searching for awhile and picked this up on a recent trip to Jersey. In fairly good condition and still had the retirement light.
1950 Delta/Rockwell DP220
1950 Delta/Rockwell DP220
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Just purchased this Canedy Otto camel back drill press. I am guessing it is a model 36? I think it is one of the first to come with a motor from the company and it is shown in the catalog I saw? Also came with this giant machinist vise? looking piece (note it is sitting on a 5 gallon bucket - it is a big chunk of iron). Anyone have a picture of one of these vises more complete? Would like to know something about it. Not finding any company marking on it so far.
Also interested in hearing from others with a Canedy Otto 36 or similar camel back presses. As I take this apart and restore, certainly would appreciate any helpful info. Thank you.
PS. Just cleaned this some and it is stamped "WD USA 470". Does that mean anything to anyone?
Also interested in hearing from others with a Canedy Otto 36 or similar camel back presses. As I take this apart and restore, certainly would appreciate any helpful info. Thank you.
PS. Just cleaned this some and it is stamped "WD USA 470". Does that mean anything to anyone?
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RBarnes you rock! That's a sweet machine. You probably don't even have to restore it, looks decent as is.
I've restored a royersford, fairly similar. Metalmagpie on PM is probably the guy you want though, he just went through that exact model.
https://www.practicalmachinist.com/...lback-drill-press-coming-together-pix-382404/
I've restored a royersford, fairly similar. Metalmagpie on PM is probably the guy you want though, he just went through that exact model.
https://www.practicalmachinist.com/...lback-drill-press-coming-together-pix-382404/
Thank you for the reply and that link! Learning as I start cleaning...It has the original 1 1/2 horse GE motor with a 1916 patent date, 1 inch shaft, 1735 rpm. The motor is HEAVY.
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Outlawmws
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That gear pulley looks SO out of place on a cool old vintage motor like that!
bmwrd0
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I don't know, if it was a geared driver reduction that would be cool looking.
Since this was offered in their catalog (see photo) as the top optioned model 36 looks good to me! Motor dated 1916, bound to be one of the first independent motorized Canedy-Otto presses? Searching the internet, I have yet to find another model 36, optioned this way, that has survived. So far, if you have seen one motor optioned gear drive Canedy-Otto 36, you have seen them all? Seems like it is worthy of restoring in its original configuration. It will be interesting to see if I can save enough of the original black paint (under the newer repaints) to make it presentable.
The motor bracket itself on the one I have is different than shown in this catalog, but taking it apart, I am pretty sure it is original. It is a heavy cast piece made especially for this drill press bolt pattern etc. Assuming there was some reason they changed the bracket lowering the motor height. Near as I can tell, it actually mounts more substantially than the one shown in the catalog.
I would be the first to admit the newer addition on/off box, with metal electrical cable coverings, does not do the press justice. It was the first thing I took off.
The gear on the motor shaft feeds into a geared factory flywheel (this is a little hard to see by photos).
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RHJO51
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I think if would be helpful if you posted a close up of the handle you are seeking AND the measurements (over all lenth).
Those variable speed Craftsman motors are pretty nifty! I had one for a little while.
Nice set of drill presses and various center pulley options!!
wrenchguy
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Some awesome here along with your upright model 36 dp!
You have a thread for its redo?
crguy
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Why? Do you think they didn't have gears back then? Gears were in use long before electric motors were invented.
How do, folks, loooong time lurker (and 12 gauge garage fan), first post.
So, one of these just followed me home last night... I swear, didn't even notice when the 242 pound thing jumped in the back of the station wagon.
1894 Illinois Iron & Bolt Co. No. 5
It's all there except the big "flywheel" that goes on top. The flywheel would be about 12 - 15 inches around and has to fit a 1 3/4" shaft.
Anybody have a line on parts/manuals/info? or happen to have that particular part around?
I promise I will start a rebuild thread if it sticks around. ...and, maybe even figure out how to put some photos up.
EDIT: dang, photos ain't so hard
So, one of these just followed me home last night... I swear, didn't even notice when the 242 pound thing jumped in the back of the station wagon.
1894 Illinois Iron & Bolt Co. No. 5
It's all there except the big "flywheel" that goes on top. The flywheel would be about 12 - 15 inches around and has to fit a 1 3/4" shaft.
Anybody have a line on parts/manuals/info? or happen to have that particular part around?
I promise I will start a rebuild thread if it sticks around. ...and, maybe even figure out how to put some photos up.
EDIT: dang, photos ain't so hard
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Wrench guy, thank you for the vote of confidence! I do not have a thread restoring it. It would be too slow a thread...I have a theory that I can do anything if I take long enough!
Currently Getting the motor rewound as I was a little leery of the 1916 or so wiring inside it. Planning on running a phase converter as I have single phase. If anyone can recommend the best American made phase converter I would like to hear what brand/type and why you like it. I thought about using a new single phase motor, but I really want to try to restore the drill press back as original as I can. I really appreciate the history of these antiquated large size machines that built America.
Waiting for paint remover I ordered as I cannot find any decent remover around here anymore. If anyone has half full or full can(s) of Zip Strip Marine Premium Paint and Finish remover that you are not using I will buy it from you. It seems to effect the outer layers of paint but not the original so far. I promise to not drink it or harm the environment with it.
Amazed that once I got some big dirt dobber nests out of hidden places, the drill press turns freely as I am starting to clean. Bearings seem good near as I can tell so far.
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On that gear, I'm just saying what is looks like to me. I half expected it to be for a toothed Cam type belt, which WOULD be out of place.
Back then, the main drive type used was flat belts. I don't expect to see gears on very many electric motors...
Back then, the main drive type used was flat belts. I don't expect to see gears on very many electric motors...
YES, the same model 36 was primarily sold to use the belt drive off the ceiling in a factory.
Interesting that they charged almost twice as much for the gear driven motor option on the 36 in that same catalog. Model 36 belt driven $150, Model 36 motor drive $250. Either way that was a lot of money back then...
Also the belt driven model 36 is listed at 680 pounds
The gear driven motor option 36 973 pounds. I thought that motor was pretty heavy...not sure where the rest of the weight comes from (motor bracket is heavy, flywheel not so much).
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69whitey I like that early drill press! I "thought" I was going to load the Canedy-Otto 36 drill press in my mini van like you did, but it turned out to be a lot bigger/heavier than I thought based on the photo.
Been my experience that you wonder how you lived without a vintage drill press after you get one. I currently only have three but working on another one. Drill presses one of the better deals I have been able to find in vintage machinery. You get a lot of bang for your buck so to speak.
Been my experience that you wonder how you lived without a vintage drill press after you get one. I currently only have three but working on another one. Drill presses one of the better deals I have been able to find in vintage machinery. You get a lot of bang for your buck so to speak.
Craptain
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American Rotary is generally assumed to be the Gold standard for phase converters. I don't own one but I know several people that do. Keith Rucker, of Vintage machinery loves his and has a video on YouTube talking about the whole installation.
Most of us lesser mortals use a VFD, which is a lot cheaper.
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Anyone have a handle for one of these Atlas XY vises they would sell? I ordered this one and they did not take off the handles - one broken in shipping.
Has anyone used one of the old Craftsman/Palmgren rotary vises on there drill press? Are they any good or too much play?
Thanks!
Has anyone used one of the old Craftsman/Palmgren rotary vises on there drill press? Are they any good or too much play?
Thanks!
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What would you be using a rotary vise on a drill press for?
The Palmgren vise is more than accurate enough for drill press work.
I don't even use a cross slide vise on the drill press. See no need for it.