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[Koken]

Jim C. Additional pic's

 

[trainman1385]

Here are a few more of mine

 

[2oolhound]

Is it possible Koken's threads are english whitworth?

 

[Koken]

Is it possible Koken's threads are english whitworth?

I never heard the term before, but I think you may have solved it. I found this:

http://www.tttg.org.au/Content/Stanley Planes and Screw Threads - Part 2.pdf

http://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/stanley-120-block-plane-t40791.html

Apparently, Stanley used those type of threads on their early models, even the ones sold in the States. I will investigate it further. I restored a late 20's - early 30's Koken barber chair in which I ran into the same problem. Now, I am wondering if Koken's hardware wasn't exclusively Koken, but English/British Whitworth.

Not only did you possibly solve my problem, but I also learned about English/British Whitworth.

Thank You

 

[Dave455]

Like I was saying, there's some pretty amazing hand plane collections out there...... This particular collection consists of mostly mint, NOS original condition, Stanley hand planes.

Jim C.

My god, what a collection!

If you're getting depressed at the amount of crappy Chinese tools out there, and wondering what the hell is going on in the world, Cheer yourself up by taking a look at this picture, and be thankful that there are people out there who are prepared to part with serious cash to preserve the things we all value!

I'm fortunate to own a good number of pre war Stanley, and Record, planes myself that belonged to my Grandfather. Like the owner of this collection, I keep mine in the house, but sadly mine were all 'users' so I can't match these for condition!

Superb!

 

[Jim C.]

My god, what a collection!

If you're getting depressed at the amount of crappy Chinese tools out there, and wondering what the hell is going on in the world, Cheer yourself up by taking a look at this picture, and be thankful that there are people out there who are prepared to part with serious cash to preserve the things we all value!

I'm fortunate to own a good number of pre war Stanley, and Record, planes myself that belonged to my Grandfather. Like the owner of this collection, I keep mine in the house, but sadly mine were all 'users' so I can't match these for condition!

Superb!

I'm glad that you appreciate the collection. I'll try to post a couple more photos at some point. Although it's a little hard to see all the details, at least one example of EVERY hand plane Stanley ever offered is represented in that photo. In many instances, several versions of the same model are also included. As for the expenditure of "serious cash" to assemble the collection, well, I think that goes without saying. The collection itself was accumulated over a course of several decades. Interestingly, it was never technically completed, because as better examples presented themselves, they were acquired and consequently replaced "lesser" examples in the collection. As a result the the collection was constantly changing, growing and improving. Finally, don't be sad about the nature of your collection. You have family heirlooms, which are far more valuable than any NOS hand plane that was acquired at an auction, etc. Well used tools with a history and/or connection to a family member or friend are priceless. I'd like to see your collection.

Jim C.

 

[Jim C.]

Jim C. Here are some pic's. The black paint is in good shape so I plan to keep it. Will you be able to answer my question about the missing knob. The threads do not appear to be SAE. Metric comes close. Are the screws proprietary (one of a kind), and are knob screws for vintage planes the same?

Koken,

Could I please ask you for one more photo of the OTHER side of the plane's cutting iron? I'm interested in seeing the Stanley logo at the top of the iron. Thanks. As for the threaded knob, I don't believe that the threads are proprietary. I can't say that I know the thread size off the top of my head. I'm away at the moment, but I'll check some reference materials when I return home. The knobs themselves are not rare or difficult to find. The type of knob used on your #18 was used on several other Stanley block plane models that were manufactured throughout the years. They're pretty much interchangeable. Now, if you're going for age appropriate parts, some knobs were brass, while others were nickel plated. It depended on the model and sometimes, the era in which a plane was manufactured.

Jim C.

 

[Dave455]

I'm glad that you appreciate the collection. I'll try to post a couple more photos at some point. Although it's a little hard to see all the details, at least one example of EVERY hand plane Stanley ever offered is represented in that photo. In many instances, several versions of the same model are also included. As for the expenditure of "serious cash" to assemble the collection, well, I think that goes without saying. The collection itself was accumulated over a course of several decades. Interestingly, it was never technically completed, because as better examples presented themselves, they were acquired and consequently replaced "lesser" examples in the collection. As a result the the collection was constantly changing, growing and improving. Finally, don't be sad about the nature of your collection. You have family heirlooms, which are far more valuable than any NOS hand plane that was acquired at an auction, etc. Well used tools with a history and/or connection to a family member or friend are priceless. I'd like to see your collection.

Jim C.

Wise words indeed!

You're absolutely right about the condition. My grandfather was a keen woodworker who made much of his own furniture, as well as items to sell, so when I handle his tools I can still recall him using them! And yes, they are the only 'heirlooms' I own!

You've motivated me to take some photographs, which I'll try and do when I have time!

I have a few rare items as well, including the legendary 'shooting board' a tool so useful I can't believe no one offers one now!

Interestingly, one could probably build a similar collection today, albeit of smaller size, using modern tools! The tools would have changed relatively little, showing how goid those original designs were, but the manufacturers would have changed completely as most of the stuff would have to be Lee Nielsen!

None of it has quite the feel of that original Stanley though! Just look at the care, for example, that went into designing the labels for some of the boxes! I'm so glad you have been able to preserve such good examples of these for future generations!

 

[Jim C.]

Wise words indeed!

You're absolutely right about the condition. My grandfather was a keen woodworker who made much of his own furniture, as well as items to sell, so when I handle his tools I can still recall him using them! And yes, they are the only 'heirlooms' I own!

You've motivated me to take some photographs, which I'll try and do when I have time!

I have a few rare items as well, including the legendary 'shooting board' a tool so useful I can't believe no one offers one now!

Interestingly, one could probably build a similar collection today, albeit of smaller size, using modern tools! The tools would have changed relatively little, showing how goid those original designs were, but the manufacturers would have changed completely as most of the stuff would have to be Lee Nielsen!

None of it has quite the feel of that original Stanley though! Just look at the care, for example, that went into designing the labels for some of the boxes! I'm so glad you have been able to preserve such good examples of these for future generations!

I'm happy to hear that you'll be posting a few pictures of your heirloom collection. As for Lie Nielsen tools, it's good to know that they are considered to be top quality mass produced items even across the Atlantic. I'm a big fan of Lie Nielsen hand planes. As you may know, LN currently offers a shooting plane, but not an accompanying shoot board. The combined Stanley version of the shoot plane and board was the model #52. I'm looking forward to seeing your shoot board and plane.

Jim C.

 

[Koken]

Jim C. & Everyone

Here are some additional pic's. I also found another date on the front adjuster knob that reads: PAT. FEB 20 94. Did you see the book on Stanley threads I posted? A lot of interesting information, even for restorers in general.



http://www.tttg.org.au/Content/Stanley Planes and Screw Threads - Part 2.pdf

 

[firecracker]

Inspiration I must have thirty or more planes in my man cave, I'll be getting them out and smartening them up my old pop sold a chest (4'x4'x3')full of wooden moulding planes that he used back in the day. if I had them now.

 

[pendragon1998]

Here's my newest, a Craftsman 3732 low angle block plane, equivalent to a Stanley 65, but I believe it might have been made by Millers Falls, as indicated by the 'BB'. The box doesn't have any branding, at least the part of the box that survived doesn't.

Does anybody know how old this one is?

 

[Jim C.]

Hi Koken,

Thanks for the extra couple of photos. After taking a look at some of your plane's features and markings, I can say with a fairly high degree of confidence that its characteristics are consistent with a Type 3 - Type 4 version of the #18 block plane. Earlier, I stated that Stanley manufactured various versions of the #18 between 1888 and 1950. Over the years, changes were made to the plane's basic design. Some of the changes were cosmetic, while others added strength, durability, etc. Although Stanley never officially recognized such changes as different "types" of the same model, later tool collectors distinguished these changes as "types" and consequently conducted "type studies" in order to keep track of the variations. Anyway, in the Stanley hand plane collecting world the #18 has seventeen (17) different "types." When I compare your #18 to the recognized type study, its features indicate that it's an early version that was most likely manufactured at some point between 1894 - 1898. It seems that all of its parts have a consistent patina, and are original to the plane itself. With the exception of the missing front knob, you have a nice example of an early Stanley #18 that's well over 100 years old.

Jim C.

 

[Jim C.]

Hi again Koken,

I added a couple photos below. The first photo shows a later version of the Stanley #18 (Type 12) that was manufactured at some point between 1913 and 1919. As you can see there are some differences between the example depicted below and your #18, most notably in regards to the pressure cap configuration. The second photo shows the #18 (foreground) next to it's slightly longer sibling, the #19 (background). The #19 you see below is a Type 14, that was produced somewhere between 1930 and 1935. If you look only at the markings on the pressure cap alone, you'll see that the #18 is stamped "Stanley" with some patent information, while the #19 has an entirely different stamping in the same location. Although there may be some other structural and cosmetic changes between the two planes (and there are), just the different pressure cap stampings are enough to have caused one plane to be considered one "type" and the other to be a different "type." You may also be wondering why I chose a #18 and #19 to demonstrate that point. Well, the #18 and #19 were produced by Stanley during the same period of time. Both models underwent the same changes at the same time during the course of their production. So, the "type study" for the #18 is the same for the #19 and vise versa. The only difference between the planes is their length. The #19 is one inch longer that the #18. I hope this information was helpful in explaining your plane's age and how I arrived at its "type."

Jim C.

 

[Koken]

Jim C. Thank you very much for the information and your willingness to share it. You have a wealth of knowledge and a wonderful collection of planes. I'm glad that you posted a picture of a later #18. It gives me reference as to what knob I should be looking for.

 

[captain14]

Very nice display of planes presented here. I found two in the dumpster at work in a toolbox when someone wS cleaning out a deceased friends house. Have to look and see what they are besides Stanley's. Not sure of model numbers..

 

[Waterlooboy2hp]

I have 22 1/8" wooden hand plane, that belonged to me Grandfather. (born in 1877). He came to America in 1908. He worked as a cabinet maker by trade. I was always led to believe, that he made the plane. Now I am not so sure. He may have acquired and only repaired the plane for his own use, after it was burned somewhat in a sabotage fire , set by the Germans in WWl , at the Bendix Corp. plant, where he was working at the time.

In cleaning up the plane. I found the name W. DAWES -- 302 HACKNEY ROAD, stamped into the nose of the plane. Can any of the hand plane collectors here, match that to a maker, or is it just an ID for the previous owner ???

The blade in the plane has the SARGENT & CO. stamp on it. --- John

 

[skcj213]

Hi Koken,

Thanks for the extra couple of photos. After taking a look at some of your plane's features and markings, I can say with a fairly high degree of confidence that its characteristics are consistent with a Type 3 - Type 4 version of the #18 block plane. Earlier, I stated that Stanley manufactured various versions of the #18 between 1888 and 1950. Over the years, changes were made to the plane's basic design. Some of the changes were cosmetic, while others added strength, durability, etc. Although Stanley never officially recognized such changes as different "types" of the same model, later tool collectors distinguished these changes as "types" and consequently conducted "type studies" in order to keep track of the variations. Anyway, in the Stanley hand plane collecting world the #18 has seventeen (17) different "types." When I compare your #18 to the recognized type study, its features indicate that it's an early version that was most likely manufactured at some point between 1894 - 1898. It seems that all of its parts have a consistent patina, and are original to the plane itself. With the exception of the missing front knob, you have a nice example of an early Stanley #18 that's well over 100 years old.

Jim C.

Jim/Koken,
I am not a plane expert by any means. Actually, I am just starting to acquire a few. However I would like to add, the fact that the adjuster on Koken's #18 has a patent date of 8-3-97 should allow the manufacture year to be narrowed down to 1898, maybe just slightly earlier. The dies for the adjuster would have had to be modified to include the patent date at some point after 8/3/1897. I would think, at the very earliest, it would have been maybe August or September 1897.

 

[2oolhound]

Here's one I picked up for cheap in a junk shop. It's a Tum, made in Germany.



It was missing a piece to link the thumb screw to the blade but since taking these photos I've fashioned something that works half assed. I'm sure the original piece would work much better but at least it's somewhat functional now.

 

[trainman1385]

I have been to busy to post updates, but here are a few more I have restored and added to my collection

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https://scontent-sjc.**.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10177367_10205886823590417_7644476092626503178_n.jpg?oh=c9af9124538b6e43d21df363a0c73842&oe=55BA4377

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[pendragon1998]

I bought a Craftsman 3704 to be friends with my Craftsman 3732. There were some variations in the production of the 3704 (perhaps a shift in manufacturer) but I think this is the earliest model, with the narrow oval thumb rest and the stamped model number. The other models have a wider, almost circular oval and no stamped model number.

1941 Catalog:

$1.65 in 1941 dollars is $27.47 in 2015 dollars. I got mine for less (in 2015 dollars), which always gives me a chuckle.

I guess these are a 'complete' set of early Craftsman branded block planes. I am mildly embarassed to say that I'm considering locating the bench planes from the same catalog so that I can have a complete Craftsman set from that era.

 

[StupidHippie]

Here's some of mine...





a few I made:










...Rob

 

[pendragon1998]

Wow, Rob, that's got to be the coolest thing I've seen in a long time. You've got such an enormous collection! Please share more about your shop. I am an aspiring galoot, but my small grad student budget barely provides me with a shadow (not even that much) of what you've got. I'm struggling to just put together the basics, one restorable piece at a time. I'd seriously enjoy reading a big 'shop tour' thread by you.

 

[StupidHippie]

Wow, Rob, that's got to be the coolest thing I've seen in a long time. You've got such an enormous collection! Please share more about your shop. I am an aspiring galoot, but my small grad student budget barely provides me with a shadow (not even that much) of what you've got. I'm struggling to just put together the basics, one restorable piece at a time. I'd seriously enjoy reading a big 'shop tour' thread by you.

Thanks!

There's not much to say...almost all of it came from yard sales and local flea markets. Keep looking, you'll find some cool stuff.

Have you joined the OldTools mailing list? They are the original Galoots and are an amazing source of information and inspiration.

...Rob

 

[Jim C.]

Nice collection Rob!!

Jim C.

 

[trainman1385]

Nice collection Rob. Do you have extra parts?

 

[altersaddle]

I don't have any that I have made myself, although I have restored / repaired them...



The little stanley bullnose is by far my favorite. The Mastercraft branded block and #3 are made in England by Footprint. Decent quality, nothing too special. The corrugated #5 is a mystery rescue - I filled the holes in the sole with an epoxy, it's held up fine. The Millers Falls corrugated sole smoother was a re-store rescue, cleaned it up with the bead blaster and it's really nice now. The #3 on the end is my latest find, I'll be paying more attention to that shortly. Not sure if I will keep both #3s, they are almost identical save for age.

 

[pendragon1998]

Thanks!

There's not much to say...almost all of it came from yard sales and local flea markets. Keep looking, you'll find some cool stuff.

Have you joined the OldTools mailing list? They are the original Galoots and are an amazing source of information and inspiration.

...Rob

Hi Rob,

I have made several trips to the local antiques markets, but what few planes or hand tools they have are junker off-brands at sky-high prices. Unfortunately, in my region of the country, there isn't much of a woodworking (or machine tools) tradition, so good tools are scarce at shops and craigslist. I am forced to do almost all my shopping online, and a few family members have gifted me several nice pieces.

OldTools is awesome, and I have often made use of their archives. I'm not a member on it yet, but I will probably eventually become one. I wish we had a bigger galoot community on garagejournal (maybe we do, but I don't see a lot of stuff about woodworking with handtools).

 

[DuroChrome]

Wow! Those are some amazing collections. I have a few planes and I have used them while doing small wood working projects. I recently bought two very similar older models that are very well thought of. I bought both because the experts I consulted each insisted that the model they liked was mandatory to own.

Here are my new ones... a Stanley 60 1/2

 

[DuroChrome]

a Stanley 65

 

[Jim C.]

I really like old Stanley hand planes!

Jim C.

 

[DuroChrome]

Jim C. - wow.

I have two there that I use...I am not sure what the model of the Stanley is...the buck brothers plane is newer.

 

[altersaddle]

I have two there that I use...I am not sure what the model of the Stanley is...the buck brothers plane is newer.

That Stanley is a No. 4. It's cast into the front.

 

[altersaddle]

Picked this Craftsman block plane up the other day:



I can't tell what model number it is, but it appears to be a Stanley-made plane. I love the green color. The cap iron is aluminum, and it has the adjustable mouth and angle, so slightly better than my Footprint.

 

[pokey459]

very cool.

 

[bczygan]

Man, I need some more, especially a #71.

 

[Jim C.]

Man, I need some more, especially a #71.

The Stanley #71 is a super useful plane to have around, but personally, I like a router plane with a closed throat, so I'm a little more partial to the #71 1/2.

Jim C.

 

[trainman1385]

i just finished up these block planes, Stanley,Sargent & Shelton
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[trainman1385]

I need your help, I am looking for the following part to finish up a Keen Kutter Block plane, and leads would be appreciated. its either called a mouth adjustment lever or eccentric plate

 

[pendragon1998]

Would this help?
http://m.ebay.com/itm/231593447402?nav=SEARCH