spent21
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the two together
I'm sorry, but this looks terrible.
I feel compelled to knock that thing off of the axle... with a sledge hammer.
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I'm sorry, but this looks terrible.
I feel compelled to knock that thing off of the axle... with a sledge hammer.
MagnumForce
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Wow, some of the worst welds I have ever seen. That isn't safe at all.
garfunkle24
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You know this how? A pretty weld doesn't mean strong and an ugly weld doesn't mean weak. If you're going to be so critical, at least make it constructive criticism.
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EvilWelder
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bmxdad
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Meanwhile in my garage, I'm making a license plate frame out of some 1/2"x1/2" angle iron for my sons Jeep. Pictures to come this weekend ...
Question: When welding 2 pieces of angle iron at 90 deg, do you cut both at a 45 or do you notch one?
Question: When welding 2 pieces of angle iron at 90 deg, do you cut both at a 45 or do you notch one?
E12-535iTurbo
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And I am checking this topic on a daily base to see if anybody appreciates my contribution to this forum by posting a picture of the gate I made...
Cut them at 45 deg and depending on the material (thickness), wanted finish/application and welding method chamber the edges.
Mudnut
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This thread is inspiring, especially for a novice welder.
SWMBO (She Who Must Be Obeyed) has never been satisfied with my construction of our deck around the spa. It was squared off to match the tiles that I had. Not wanting to purchase, and lay more tiles, I am making it out of steel frame, and timber decking. I was given permission to get a welder if I just finished the deck, so I purchased a Cigweld 175 the following day!! She wanted it to extend to the excavated hill side, but we have a problem with Cane Toads in this part of Australia. If I build up to the hill side, the Cane Toads can easily hop on the deck, and into the sunken spa. My solution is to build a bench seat along the wall, hopefully creating a Cane Toad barrier. It wraps around along with the contour of the hillside. My welding skills are steadily improving.
Cheers,
Ken
SWMBO (She Who Must Be Obeyed) has never been satisfied with my construction of our deck around the spa. It was squared off to match the tiles that I had. Not wanting to purchase, and lay more tiles, I am making it out of steel frame, and timber decking. I was given permission to get a welder if I just finished the deck, so I purchased a Cigweld 175 the following day!! She wanted it to extend to the excavated hill side, but we have a problem with Cane Toads in this part of Australia. If I build up to the hill side, the Cane Toads can easily hop on the deck, and into the sunken spa. My solution is to build a bench seat along the wall, hopefully creating a Cane Toad barrier. It wraps around along with the contour of the hillside. My welding skills are steadily improving.
Cheers,
Ken
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E12-535iTurbo
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That's a nice combination: those tiles and the wood. It even involves welding sounds like fun project!
SPtoolLover
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Not really a welding project, but involves metal?
Made a pad saw
Made a pad saw
zmotorsports
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I have done it both ways, it just depends on the application and whether or not the inside will be seen and strength needed. If strength is the primary concern and the inside will be concealed I cut/notch the angle iron. Otherwise I cut each @ 45-degrees, bevel slightly for full penetration so I can grind flat for appearance.
Mike.
aka Larry
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Any prior knowledge of welding before this project? Welding galvanized members produces a toxic gas, which can be at best, harmful to your heath, at worst, they can kill you.
Be safe!
OutlawDrifter
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spent21, magnumforce, etc
well in the early stages of the build, which all of those pictures are taken from, yes they did look rough. the mild steel was welded to the cast with nickel rod, pre-heated and post-heated, peening to relieve stress. the completed product has a much nicer finish. as stated it's been to the track and regularly gets beat on when i take the car out. if it was not built strong enough, it would have failed by now. thanks for critique.
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NASTYZEN
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built a GM 10bolt/Ford 8.8 hybrid axle using the 10 bolt out of my z28 and an 8.8 out of a ranger.
torque arm end of custom mount
it has been taking repeated abuse from 425rwhp and keeps ticking!
Certainly not pretty...But it is a difficult thing to ascertain how strong a weld is, by judging a picture. The real life test seems to be holding up for the man.
I'm a little more concerned with how the torque arm is mounted in the picture above. It should be in double sheer. Hard to tell. The other thing is how much bolt is protruding from the nuts. Rule of thumb, always have 5 threads beyond the nut.
Enjoy your toys!
OutlawDrifter
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everything on the housing had 3-4 beads/passes with the nickel. everything else had 2-3 passes. in the picture above i didn't tighten the bolts past the nyloc, just a mock up.
that torque arm is a unit built buy jegs. i know of another car similar to mine running 10.1/13X mph and cutting 1.4 60' times pulling the front tires with zero problems, he runs the same torque arm.
that torque arm is a unit built buy jegs. i know of another car similar to mine running 10.1/13X mph and cutting 1.4 60' times pulling the front tires with zero problems, he runs the same torque arm.
Both very good observations from a great builder.
If the fasteners are properly sized for the application single shear can be ok. Designing the joint for double shear allows you to use smaller bolts for the given load so usually is desired for both cost and packaging. On my sand car, there were several links that needed very large rod ends to handle the shock loads in the swivel bearing. The bolts that fit those rod ends were way bigger than required for the loads and were installed in single shear. The rod ends typically lasted only 1 to 2 seasons before getting too sloppy to use but the bolts were on the car for 5 years without a failure.
Mudnut
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Thanks for your concern,
I have limited arc welding, and assisted with the welding of the main deck. It is "duragal" steel, so not as much zinc as hot dipped gal. I have also ground off to bare steel around the welds. It is well ventilated, and I am not breathing whilst welding, so think I am probably safe.
Cheers,
Ken
spent21
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I have a 4th gen that's pushing 450hp, so I'm quite familiar with these cars.
You'll notice that I didn't mention anything about safety. Quite honestly, the torque arm isn't what I would consider to be a high priority as far as safety is concerned since even if it fails, the rear end will still remain under the car. I doubt you'll ever get enough traction on the street to endanger anyone else if it fails, and at the track, they'll just push you out of the way and sweep up the parts.
If anything, I'd be more concerned (especially after seeing the welds on that TA mount) about how the axle tubes were grafted to the center section. I'm no specialist, but I haven't seen anyone do exactly what you've done here:
There is a plethora of parts available and several companies that will cut up a 8.8 to work with what we have. I haven't been long put an aftermarket TA under my car.
My point is that this is a 'welding projects' thread and seeing that torque arm mount really did make me laugh. You can't expect to post an out-of-square, piecemeal attempt with bird turd welds in here where mig-like-tig gets critequed and not catch some flak. I mean, come on! Just look at that thing!
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zmotorsports
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Saturday's welding job on a client's 2009 Jeep Wrangler front dana 44 axle.
Here you can see the holes drilled and I am ready to install the sleeve into the short side axle tube.
Sleeve viewed from the knuckle end.
Long side axle tube with the sleeve installed. You can see the sleeve inside the drilled .5" holes ready for welding.
In progress welding pics.
Rosette weld, sometimes called a plug weld.
Some various welds from the project.
Axle welding completed.
Next up will be cleaning the axle housing for paint and then on to installing the new 5.38 gearset before re-installing it back into the front of the Jeep.
Mike.
Here you can see the holes drilled and I am ready to install the sleeve into the short side axle tube.
Sleeve viewed from the knuckle end.
Long side axle tube with the sleeve installed. You can see the sleeve inside the drilled .5" holes ready for welding.
In progress welding pics.
Rosette weld, sometimes called a plug weld.
Some various welds from the project.
Axle welding completed.
Next up will be cleaning the axle housing for paint and then on to installing the new 5.38 gearset before re-installing it back into the front of the Jeep.
Mike.
steel 35
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I am sorry but those look like ZTs weld's 
OutlawDrifter
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Spent, The axle tubes are square and by far better than a press fit factory housing. That's why a truing bar was used. The 10 bolt tubes are slip fitted about 6-8" inside the Ranger tubes and plug welded in multiple spots. There are quite a few 8.8s out there with less of a torque arm mount than mine running fast times. The only company making a direct fit 8.8 is Hawks and they use the same mount that I have on mine.
zmotorsports
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I am sorry but those look like ZTs weld's
Thanks, I consider that the absolute finest of compliments.
Although I don't think they are any where near Paul's level. YET!
But I am working on it.
Mike.
The finished product. Excuse the blurry pic
Now that will save sometime when you have to wrestle Cattle, Great build.
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Where do I start??
Carves
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If you hate welding gal so much,
... maybe you should have stuck with ironbark posts and rails, and cobb & co hitches.
Nice job on the crush
.... If I had something that fancy at the last place,... it would have raised the property value by 10% ..
Welding up a squat rack for a buddy. Done-ish for now, need to drill all of the holes before I can weld more.
How did you manage to keep that bottom plate flat after welding?
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My guess would be tack a corner move it to where it needs to be tack the corner across from it repeat on other corners.
It's 3/16 so it wasn't too prone to warpage. I welded it directionally according to what Jody found was best for minimal warpage:
BlueBomber
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Nice work! My welding's not good enough yet to ride around in full public view.
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Boost Creep
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been making a stand for my tube bender. almost done with it. the tabs on the bottom are where the pump bolts to. going to cap the ends of the legs and i'm waiting on a couple gussets to show up and then i can get it painted and call it good
bmxdad
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Made a license plate frame for my sons Jeep. 1/2" x 1/2" angle iron with 45' corners.
Burned off the little tab that was supporting the plate with a single bolt. I thought it was a little cheesy, so the idea of a little weld project came too ...
First time using the gas, and what a difference it makes. Only issue I'm having is following the seam to weld .... helmet darkens and all I see is the arc, wire, puddle and the tip of the gun. Turned the helmet down to 10, but afraid of burning my eyes. I've done it before when working in a machine shop, installing a big 6 spindle Wilson milling machine ... I remember the pain, not fun.
Next project is making a rolling rack for my short pieces of practice steel, out of bed frame material.
Burned off the little tab that was supporting the plate with a single bolt. I thought it was a little cheesy, so the idea of a little weld project came too ...
First time using the gas, and what a difference it makes. Only issue I'm having is following the seam to weld .... helmet darkens and all I see is the arc, wire, puddle and the tip of the gun. Turned the helmet down to 10, but afraid of burning my eyes. I've done it before when working in a machine shop, installing a big 6 spindle Wilson milling machine ... I remember the pain, not fun.
Next project is making a rolling rack for my short pieces of practice steel, out of bed frame material.
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WakonTonka
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I like your gate design, so is it completed now? If so, please post another photo or two. What kind of bender are you using? How about the hinge system?
Mudnut
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Finished photo's of decking and bench seating (cane toad barrier) And yes there is steel fabrication under the timber.
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Robert Hall
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been making a stand for my tube bender. almost done with it. the tabs on the bottom are where the pump bolts to. going to cap the ends of the legs and i'm waiting on a couple gussets to show up and then i can get it painted and call it good
Nice work!
Glad you don't have to bend anything to make the bender!
Looking forward to your (instructional) build thread and all of the helpful photos that accompany it.
Boost Creep
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Nice work!
Glad you don't have to bend anything to make the bender!
lol. luckily for me its hydraulic so i could have just laid it on the table or floor or something and still bend
Looking forward to your (instructional) build thread and all of the helpful photos that accompany it.
its pretty basic imo. its also one of my first projects with welding anything so i'm in part doing this to learn as much as i am to have a stand. i did take pics along the way though and could make a thread. i have a couple gussets showing up tomorrow to weld on and then hopefully have the paint finished friday or saturday and can bolt on the wheels, pump and bender and be done
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