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[Private Lugnutz]

You do see the patent document cite an Indestro Catalog No. 20-S that I already alluded to and to which matthew subsequently picked up on as well, right? You seem to be ignoring it. I think that's what the October 25, 1955 date is referring to. Again, it sure looks to me like when Barcalo was submitting their application (Nov. 23, 1955) they cited the most recent they could find. I see that there's a Catalog No. 22 dated 1959 in ITCL. No. 20 (1952), No. 20-S (1955) and No. 22 (1959) seems like a logical sequence to me.

This explanation doesn't call into question the logic of the ad in the 1952 Hardware Age for Indestro Catalog No. 20 confirming that No. 20 was published in 1952.

 

[matthew]

I was also going to say that given the design patent was only filed one month later than the catalog date, and considering the time it would take to do the research and prepare the filing, I think it would be surprising if the Indestro catalog was actually published Oct/55 and the reference actually made it onto the application (meaning that was just a retrieval date).

But of course that may not have been the case - it may not have been in the initial application, and was added to the patent by the examiner during the approval process. Which would make the October publication date more likely, I think.

Any which way, cat20 = 1952 seems to work.

 

[four.cycle]

RE: an Indestro Catalog No. 20-S

yes, I saw it. no, I wasn't ignoring it.
I have not seen or heard of a catalog No. 20-S, and just didn't comment on it.
there are "A" and "M" suffixes used. thus far I haven't seen an "S".

 

[Private Lugnutz]

I have not seen or heard of a catalog No. 20-S, and just didn't comment on it.

Just to hopefully clarify, 4.c, I wasn't expecting you to comment on it. I was expecting you to acknowledge that a Catalog No. 20-S is also cited in the patent document, that it is cited successively to Catalog No. 20, and that it (not Catalog No. 20) is quite possibly the catalog to which the "October 25, 1955" date is referring. The whole premise of your conclusion that the USPTO is confused or misinformed is your assumption that the date is referring to Catalog No. 20. But if the date refers to No. 20-S it may not be wrong and is not refuting Mark's sleuthing about the date of Catalog No. 20. And again, that interpretation seems even more likely to me because of Mark's sleuthing. It seems much more likely to me that the USPTO has the date right and that it's referring to a Catalog No. 20-S we have no prior knowledge of than the USPTO is referring to Catalog No. 20 and getting the date wrong.

Time and a copy of No. 20-S turning up will tell!

 

[d42jeep]

Here are a couple of NOS Duro-Indestro spinners.
-Don
Another Duro ignition wrench set came in the mail, I’m not sure why. The roll is raggedy. I added the missing E62, some Indestro ignition pliers and a placeholder screwdriver

 

[four.cycle]

I’m not sure why

I find myself asking that question every time I click "Pay Now".

looks like a pretty nice set.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Not bad. You are lucky to find an intact roll like that. They are pretty old.

 

[d42jeep]

Thanks. Some correct pliers for the set arrived today. Too bad eBay sellers own wire wheels!
-Don

 

[JjKk40]

Thanks. Some correct pliers for the set arrived today. Too bad eBay sellers own wire wheels!
-Don

Yup I hate when sellers wheel the **** out of stuff. I bought a Bonney hacksaw that the dude totally ruined with a wire wheel.

 

[four.cycle]

^ yeah... one of my early acquisitions was an Indestro speeder that somebody unfortunately re-worked on a wire wheel. I look very closely at photos now.

 

[RTM]

Thanks. Some correct pliers for the set arrived today. Too bad eBay sellers own wire wheels!
-Don

Could be worse, could be a belt sander, or a salt a vinegar solution.

 

[genog]

I guess it could be worse, but some of them do enough damage with their darn wire wheels.

 

[genog]

Ok
So much for blowing off the Flea Market...
Found this:


7/16-3/4 with the two 21/32's and a 15/16 that's soaking in evaporust

 

[four.cycle]

^ I have one of those "ChromeX" sets I'd like to unload. is that stuff 3/8" or 1/2" drive?

 

[genog]

All 1/2" drive

 

[four.cycle]

Indestro-made - Western Auto "ChromeXQuality" 1/2" drive SAE socket set

looks to be missing the 7/8" and 1" socket and I'm a bit disinclined to go chase down the drive accessories. box is in decent shape - has the obligatory paint splatters on the top.

 

[MisterEd]

X-Circle 1033-C, 15/16 x 1

 

[d42jeep]

X-Circle 1033-C, 15/16 x 1

Nice wrench. That one is GMTK correct. The Federal Stock Number is 41-W-1021, described as a DOE Wrench 15/16" x 1".
-Don

 

[MisterEd]

Nice wrench. That one is GMTK correct.

So it seems, though many people here know much more than I about such things. Didn't make the connection until you asked. Someone at G503 included a Duro in their Mechanic's set. I'll accept their opinion and just say, "it's a nice, substantial wrench."

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Someone at G503 included a Duro in their Mechanic's set.

Many someones. I have a full set in my current kit. The Duro circle-DC wrenches are very popular with GMTKers due to the combination of their dark, handsome appearance and their availability.

 

[Outlawmws]

Another thread I fell off for several weeks...

Fools and wire wheels... Years ago I took a small back saw to be sharpened, (they did not have saw set fine enough so all they could do was the grinding...) and it had a brass back. the idiot "polished" the brass with a heavy wire wheel -obliterated the markings... I was so upset...


I picked up this DOE Duro Chrome today. 1/2 - 19/32. on clean up I noticed a G in the code No? G1025 - War years? G for "Gov"?

Probably been discussed and I just CRS...

 

[d42jeep]

It is generally accepted that tools with a part number starting with G were made in 1945. Although wartIme, G tools don’t have the Circle DC (X) marking.
-Don

 

[Outlawmws]

Thanks Don!

 

[Ricky Joe]

Here, for anyone who wants to see it. It has a cover for the open ratchet, and it is here somewhere, but in use I found it to be a nuisance, so took it off. It just presses on.

 

[Ricky Joe]

Here is the box it came in. It is blue.

 

[d42jeep]

Thanks Don!

My pleasure, Outlaw.
Here is a Duro Chrome 1/2” drive sliding Tee I found at an estate sale yesterday.
-Don

 

[d42jeep]

Just a teaser, I have a lot more.

There is an active Barcalo thread where you might like to post your nice Barcalo wrenches.

Barcalo Buffalo Tools

I have this 1-1/8" and 1-1/16" DBE wrench made by Barcalo Buffalo. I bought it from a museum a few years ago. It has definitely seen a bit of use. I'm curious as to how common these are and any other info anybody might know about the brand, so if anybody has any knowledge to share about these...

www.garagejournal.com

-Don

 

[Debcrow]

Are all of these DURO?
They are all 1/2 hex drive sockets except the top one.
The top one is 1/2 square drive, marked 11/16 with stars on both sides. It is for 11/16 square nuts I believe, either that or some kind of 1/2 square to 11/16 square adapter.
The largest one is a one inch with no markings on the socket, just knurling. also 1/2 hex drive.

 

[d42jeep]

Alloy Artifacts does a decent job on the ID of early Duro and Indestro sockets. The star and trapezoid marked sockets are very likely Duro or Indestro, the rest I’m not sure about. I’m not too strong on hex drive tools.
-Don
Early Duro square drive set

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Bog also marked sockets with stars

 

[four.cycle]

^ looks like Duro/Indestro to me.

The 3/4" socket marked " 3/4 " (with no other visible markings) is somewhat puzzling. No stars or trapezoids on that one?

 

[Debcrow]

Nothing else on the one marked 3/4.
The knurling width by eyeball looks the same as the 1/2 with the trapezoids but may just be a pretty much standard width for a lot of socket companies.
These were all together in the same box. Along with a 3/8 plug Duro-Chrome 4488 non reversing CUB ratchet.

 

[four.cycle]

Duro/Indestro seemed to be a bit confused about markings - sizes were expressed " 3-4 " and " 3/4 ", some were marked with stars, some were marked with trapezoids.
It might be less confusing if New Britain hadn't been making sockets that looked almost identical.
The "all together in the same box" has to be given some weight - generally speaking, people don't go out of their way to mix up brands of product in tool sets. We can never know what the previous owner may or may not have done, but it's reasonable to assume that everything in the box was the same brand when it was purchased new.

 

[genog]

Found this cute little Indestro set

 

[SkyPuncher]

Picked up the same just yesterday in a box of stuff from an auction!

 

[SkyPuncher]

Here is some info from Alloy Artifacts. Older than expected!

 

[genog]

Thanks for posting, SkyPuncher

 

[genog]

Made friends with a Tool Picker on Craigslist who had this 3202 Ratchet to sell
He's a couple of hours away from me otherwise, I would visit him more.

 

[Username already in use]

A nice mix of wartime Duro from the flea today.
G2013A DBE, 721 DOE, 1A tappet and 11/16 socket.

 

[d42jeep]

I received a nice a addition to my collection of wartime Duro/Indestro tools from LesserSon in the mail yesterday. Thanks!
-Don