Show your "Long C" Craftsman!

[Oldtuleguy]

Some 3/8 vanadiums

 

[Rileysan]

Some 3/8 vanadiums

Wow!

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Some 3/8 vanadiums

Damn! I'd be thrilled to find just the empty case. But with sockets in it!!! Fantastic find!

 

[twertsy]

Yeah, that box is cool............

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Thanks guys. I have had it for a while. Keep looking for the missing bits to no avail.

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Just finished filling up this set, for the second time. I had it filled once then decided to build the 100pc Master Service Set and pulled all but the 3 stubbies out. Filled in the last missing piece today.

 

[r_olson_06]

Just finished filling up this set, for the second time. I had it filled once then decided to build the 100pc Master Service Set and pulled all but the 3 stubbies out. Filled in the last missing piece today.

Looking good.

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[Private Lugnutz]

I had it filled once then decided to build the 100pc Master Service Set and pulled all but the 3 stubbies out.

Job well done, JoCo!

The beauty of Show n' Tell on the web is the tools can do double duty in both sets!

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Job well done, JoCo!

The beauty of Show n' Tell on the web is the tools can do double duty in both sets!

Ha! That's always tempting but I try to avoid it. I was doing that with T-bars in photos of sets and felt like I was cheating at poker. The only things I move around for set pics now are the miserable 1/4" and 3/8" drive studs for female drive rats.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

I am guilty as well. Just wind up looking for same stuff again! Beautiful set.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Yeah, I was mainly kidding. I don't really have any overlapping Russian doll type sets (i.e., Master, Junior, etc) in the same brand, especially not in the Craftsman category, and, unlike many others here on GJ, I find myself perfectly willing and able to confine myself to ONE of each set - so I don't really have a need to move an 8-point socket or tommy bar around.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Your restraint is admirable lugz.

Only recently started picking up BE stuff. Bought a BE set but only one piece is long c. Is this unusual?

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Your restraint is admirable lugz.

Well, I don't know about that. I think the goals are just different. Some people want to have dozens of the same thing. I want to have one of EVERYTHING! Haha.

Only recently started picking up BE stuff. Bought a BE set but only one piece is long c. Is this unusual?

Are the sockets cold-broached? Do they have a shoulder at the base? The very early NB-made Craftsman BE stuff had block letters, no underline or Long C, reminiscent of the C-series logo. My guess is your Long C socket is a replacement by a PO or, if it's factory, they were filling out that set in a time of transition.

 

[r_olson_06]

Re: Show your "Long C" Craftsman!

Well, I don't know about that. I think the goals are just different. Some people want to have dozens of the same thing. I want to have one of EVERYTHING! Haha.


Are the sockets cold-broached? Do they have a shoulder at the base? The very early NB-made Craftsman BE stuff had block letters, no underline or Long C, reminiscent of the C-series logo. My guess is your Long C socket is a replacement by a PO or, if it's factory, they were filling out that set in a time of transition.

Also the early BE items used a dash in stead of a slash so they probably have 3-4 instead if 3/4.

I am also in the same boat I just want one of everything mainly Plomb.

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[Oldtuleguy]

They do have a dash in socket sizes. I will post some pics later.

 

[Outlawmws]

The problem of one of everything is of course remembering either what you have or what you need.

Once upon a time I had a 3X5 card for sockets, with a grid and size vs type (drive deep vs std vs impact etc) and simply checked them off as I found "good ones'

Then I started down the rabbit hole of matching brands in a set, if not all sets the same brand.

And that fell apart as I also started down the path of, Craftsman < Proto < SO/MAC/other top tool trucks... and here I am with >2000 sockets...

Multiply that for Ratchets, wrenches...

And then Vintage sets (Long C Plvmb, etc...) vs primary users...

Once in a while I have the thought of "maybe I only need the primary users and "unique" specialty tools..." Then I think: "Nah, where is the fun in THAT?

 

[JoCoSawdust]

The problem of one of everything is of course remembering either what you have or what you need.

Once upon a time I had a 3X5 card for sockets, with a grid and size vs type (drive deep vs std vs impact etc) and simply checked them off as I found "good ones'

Then I started down the rabbit hole of matching brands in a set, if not all sets the same brand.

And that fell apart as I also started down the path of, Craftsman < Proto < SO/MAC/other top tool trucks... and here I am with >2000 sockets...

Multiply that for Sockets, wrenches...

And then Vintage sets (Long C Plvmb, etc...) vs primary users...

Once in a while I have the thought of "maybe I only need the primary users and "unique" specialty tools..." Then I think: "Nah, whee is the fun in THAT?

Same here. When I started I had a little pocket notebook with things I had, things I was looking for. That went south pretty quick. Now if it's pre-68 Craftsman or anything Plomb or Proto LA and priced right, it comes home with me. Duplicates be damned.

 

[Outlawmws]

Yep, especially if it might be one in nicer condition. I HAVE left some behind that were thrashed...

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Variations in sets get me. I may run into one I have but the logo or decal is different, and it will follow me home.

 

[r_olson_06]

The problem of one of everything is of course remembering either what you have or what you need.

Once upon a time I had a 3X5 card for sockets, with a grid and size vs type (drive deep vs std vs impact etc) and simply checked them off as I found "good ones'

Then I started down the rabbit hole of matching brands in a set, if not all sets the same brand.

And that fell apart as I also started down the path of, Craftsman < Proto < SO/MAC/other top tool trucks... and here I am with >2000 sockets...

Multiply that for Ratchets, wrenches...

And then Vintage sets (Long C Plvmb, etc...) vs primary users...

Once in a while I have the thought of "maybe I only need the primary users and "unique" specialty tools..." Then I think: "Nah, where is the fun in THAT?

Google sheets is a LIFESAVER for this. When I was big into ratchets it started to get a little blurry beyond the 500 mark on what I had or didn't. Having pages of information is a life saver all at a quick glance. I have done the same for Plombs now being just a very small amount under 1400 pieces I would NEVER be able to remember that all. Granted it takes a little work up front but pays dividens in the long run by not doubling up.

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[JoCoSawdust]

Your restraint is admirable lugz.

Only recently started picking up BE stuff. Bought a BE set but only one piece is long c. Is this unusual?

There's actually three different logos (that I've seen) for the NB Craftsman stuff. Plain script CRAFTSMAN (early NB), Long C and =CRAFTSMAN=(end of the line for NB). I've yet to find any =CRAFTSMAN= that's BE, all of mine are Circle H. Likewise I've never seen CRAFTSMAN with anything other than a BE makers mark.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Here is the BE stuff. Only the small ratchet is long c, the rest is regular block lettering.

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Damn. That's a nice layout OTG. The single rivet female 1/2d rat and sockets are definitely very early NB stuff. I have bits and pieces of that stuff but still not a complete set. Your stuff is in excellent shape! I recently picked up one of those long head 1/4" female rats but not the drive studs (YOU ****!). There's at least 3 different versions of the 1/4" female rat (not counting 2 amber handle variations), all Long C logo as far as I've seen. If I'm not mistaken yours is the earliest version. Great stuff and I'm insanely jealous here!

 

[Oldtuleguy]

I thought it looked a bit different as BE stuff goes. Glad I picked it up, almost passed on it. Interestingly, was continuing my frustrating search for old blackhawk 3/8 stuff and found this instead.

 

[JoCoSawdust]

I don't know what you paid for it but I'd have paid that for the drive studs alone. Super hard to find.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

The drive studs are unmarked and look identical to new Britain and husky versions. They are definately longer than some duro and William's versions I have. 1/2 plug only marked made in usa.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

This is the closest in-house NB equivalent to those early NB-made Craftsman BE tools, Otg. They even used a C-series model number, like the C-series stuff Sears, Roebuck & Co was buying from Snap-on.

Now I am pissed off at myself because I forgot I needed a few handles for this set and I had an early NB hinge handle in my hand at the flea market yesterday, leaving it behind because the hinge was floppy!

 

[Oldtuleguy]

So new Britain made their own version with basically Sears styling. Did sears specify the style? Or did they just rebrand new Britain stuff. And why does all of it look like c series (snap on?) Which by the way does not look like anything snap on made. Here is one c-28 with a BE 7-8.

 

[r_olson_06]

So new Britain made their own version with basically Sears styling. Did sears specify the style? Or did they just rebrand new Britain stuff. And why does all of it look like c series (snap on?) Which by the way does not look like anything snap on made. Here is one c-28 with a BE 7-8.

I agree 1000% (not a typo). I agree that the CF-87 ratchet is Snap On made but I still don't believe the sockets we're in either C or CF series. I still believe the C-98 was Hinsdale sources as well.

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[Oldtuleguy]

Cf87 at least actually looks like a snap on product.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

This is the closest in-house NB equivalent to those early NB-made Craftsman BE tools, Otg. They even used a C-series model number, like the C-series stuff Sears, Roebuck & Co was buying from Snap-on.

Now I am pissed off at myself because I forgot I needed a few handles for this set and I had an early NB hinge handle in my hand at the flea market yesterday, leaving it behind because the hinge was floppy!

Fantastic new Britain stuff. I have found early NB is pretty inexpensive compared to craftsman and have picked up a little hoard of it.

 

[Gear Wolf]

I agree 1000% (not a typo). I agree that the CF-87 ratchet is Snap On made but I still don't believe the sockets we're in either C or CF series. I still believe the C-98 was Hinsdale sources as well.

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Nope. The C-98 was absolutely 100% made by Snap On. It was born and died at the bleeding edge of the failing relationship between Sears & Snap On. Few were made for a very short amount of time.

Snap On has made orphans before. The L-67 is certainly one of them. While it is the slightly younger brother, where Snap On gave the Gagne patent another whirl about 10 years later (~early/mid 1940s), the L-67, uses literally the same mechanism without modification. The difference is the handle and the finish. That ratchet had no other corresponding pieces made like it. It was an odd duck among various designs, which had complete ratchet families, that came before, during, and after its time. The C-98 is the same. Snap on would flirt with the Gagne patent one more time about 10 years further still (~early/mid 1950s) with the LR-42, FR-42, and their corresponding flex heads. They just didn't catch on. Plus, they are a CHORE to maintain.

I called Snap On years ago and spoke with their museum head. They really want a C-98 in their collection pretty bad, as they do have exhibits of their time working with Sears. I was told theirs "walked out" many years ago. The C-98 was part of the pitch to revive the relationship between Sears & Snap On. It didn't pan out obviously

 

[Gear Wolf]

Cf87 at least actually looks like a snap on product.

You are correct. The CF-87 is made by Snap On. It is just a rebranded PF-87 just as the C-97 was a rebranded P-97.

The Snap on variants carried on until the 1960s-ish in various forms.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

No opinion on the sockets GW?

 

[Gear Wolf]

No opinion on the sockets GW?

Honesty, I'm not sure. My focus has been primarily on American made ratchets associated with the Craftsman brand. There are others here that are more aware of what was going on with sockets and other drive accessories.

 

[Rileysan]

Honesty, I'm not sure. My focus has been primarily on American made ratchets associated with the Craftsman brand. There are others here that are more aware of what was going on with sockets and other drive accessories.

Glad you're checking in, GW.

I may come to regret my decision not to buy this. Last week, I found a Craftsman BT 1/2" drive 1" deep socket for sale on eBay ($12.99 + ~$6 shipping). I sent the seller an offer of $5 for the socket but they declined. The listing has since been removed.

What I didn't expect was not being able to find another example of BT sockets out there. Does anyone here have any? Has anyone else seen one?

Brian

 

[twertsy]

Glad you're checking in, GW.

I may come to regret my decision not to buy this. Last week, I found a Craftsman BT 1/2" drive 1" deep socket for sale on eBay ($12.99 + ~$6 shipping). I sent the seller an offer of $5 for the socket but they declined. The listing has since been removed.

What I didn't expect was not being able to find another example of BT sockets out there. Does anyone here have any? Has anyone else seen one?

Brian

I think i have that socket branded Vlcheck, made by NB obviously....can't say as I've seen any BT sockets.

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[Private Lugnutz]

Last week, I found a Craftsman BT 1/2" drive 1" deep socket...

I think i have that socket branded Vlcheck, made by NB obviously....

Yet another weird example of the codes "we" (the community at large) have tended to think of as OEM codes just not always holding true to form, or, at least something else/more going on with them. I have ball-pein hammers marked Craftsman BT that are without any shred of doubt made by Vlchek.

 

[d42jeep]

Fantastic new Britain stuff. I have found early NB is pretty inexpensive compared to craftsman and have picked up a little hoard of it.

It seems like the tools marked New Britain were their premium quality brand. The tools they made for Craftsman often resembled their Husky branded tools. I am a fan of the early New Britain marked tools as well.
-Don

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Glad you're checking in, GW.

I may come to regret my decision not to buy this. Last week, I found a Craftsman BT 1/2" drive 1" deep socket for sale on eBay ($12.99 + ~$6 shipping). I sent the seller an offer of $5 for the socket but they declined. The listing has since been removed.

What I didn't expect was not being able to find another example of BT sockets out there. Does anyone here have any? Has anyone else seen one?

Brian

I've got a large number of deep wells but honestly haven't taken the time to look at the marking. I had no clue BT sockets existed. I'm on the road right now but will take a look when I get home. Damn..something else I must have now.