Show your "Long C" Craftsman!

[r_olson_06]

Haha. It's going to get worse. I'm thinking three-photo, three-post strip-tease-like reveal, taking guesses in between!

Edit: Honestly, not everyone will be as excited as me (which will be a hint, eventually, in and of itself). . It's not a big, popular, common item.

I'm just busy with real life stuff this weekend.

Just evil but it's cool. Can't wait to see how it goes.

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[JoCoSawdust]

In regards to maker's marks on amber handle screwdrivers: I checked my meager stash out today. I have one that is Circle I, one that appears to be BC (very very tiny) and one that has no maker's mark but does have PAT. NO. 2292657 on it. Patent # 2292657A was filed in May of 1940 by Dwight E. Priest for the screw holding device which is common to see on amber handle screwdrivers from Sears. The screwdriver I'm looking at doesn't have that device on but obviously it did at one point. Lauver doesn't specify a maker for BC and specifies Parker Mfg Co as Circle I however lists their range as 62 to 86. In other words, I still don't know who made amber handle screwdrivers.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

While this is not a ‘Long C’ Craftsman item, it is a Sears, Roebuck & Co item from the ‘Long C’ Craftsman era, at least, and it probably pre-dates Craftsman. As I mentioned upthread, this little pouch is actually a two-fer for me.

As many of you Craftsman hounds can probably already tell from the outlines of the handles in their pockets, it’s a very early Sears, Roebuck & Co ignition pliers set, rather simplistically branded Fulton, with a part number (“P-4671”) that has to be a pre-cursor to the Craftsman part number (“PC-4671”) that appears in the 1941 and 1942 catalogs.

As you all know, the Fulton brand preceded the Craftsman brand by a few decades, but lasted well into the Long C era, as the Craftsman brand rose to the top of the Sears branding hierarchy and Fulton and Merit were replaced with Dunlap as the economy line tools.

Here is an excerpt of the PC-4671 ignition pliers set in the 1941 Craftsman catalog, which is the earliest Craftsman catalog I have access to. Note the “FULTON” name still artistically rendered on the pliers (the Marketing Dept almost certainly used an older figure) on a page explicitly and exclusively dedicated to "Craftsman and DUNLAP" tools. If I had access to earlier catalogs, including 1920’s Sears, Roebuck & Co catalogs, my hunch is that I would find Fulton ignition pliers sets in fabric pouches with the part number P-4671.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Paul Harveying into the second part of this posting (and what makes it a two-fer for me)…, is the OEM of the pliers. Anyone who collects early examples of this brand will know the OEM by their signature, enthusiastically thorough COO marking.

 

[bmwrd0]

Nice find Lugz. That certainly is a two-fer. I found a set last year, but while it seemed complete, it had once set replaced by a comparable Snap-on (Vacuum Grip). I am still looking for the other one.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

How were the others marked?

I'm waiting to let others who may know the OEM by the unique COO marking have some fun identifying the OEM before I show the OEM markings on the flip side.

 

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Wilde?

 

[bmwrd0]

K-D on one side and United States of America on the other (well, two at least, one has K-D on both sides.)

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Yes, K-D! No. 6, No. 7, No. 8 and No. 9

I had no idea - and must've missed your post, Beemer (sorry!)

As an avid early (pre-1946) K-D collector, I was thrilled!!!

In this era (1920’s), it was less important (and not to mention too costly) for Sears, Roebuck & Co to have the tools being made for them by their OEM suppliers re-branded. So they branded packaging and containers instead. Such as this pouch. Not unlike the tools in the “Aristocrat No. 1” socket sets supplied by Mossberg or the “Duro-Bilt” socket sets supplied by Duro-Chrome, with Sears, Roebuck & Co labeling applied to the lids of the boxes.

So, whether you look at it as a set of K-D ignition pliers that happen to be tucked inside a Sears, Roebuck & Co Fulton-branded and numbered pouch, or a Sears, Roebuck & Co Fulton pouch that happens to have K-D pliers tucked inside it, it doubles my pleasure and the overall significance.

I haven’t seen any reference to K-D as a Sears, Roebuck, & Co supplier in any Craftsman research on AA, GJ, or GG. Only J.M. King (Button), J.P. Danielson, Vlchek, and Wilde (so, good, informed guess, Unaiu!).

Another catalog layout view..

And, by the way, truth in advertising, these are some very well-made pliers, with "expertly milled jaws", and "knurled handles"...

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Great find Lugz. Amazing that pouch survived all these years. I absolutely LOVE the COO markings!

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Right?! Super patriotic.

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Actually that reminds me I need to x-post.

 

[Outlawmws]

Those are VERY cool Lugz! I guess I wasn't aware K-D went back that far!

 

[Private Lugnutz]

1919.

 

[GalaxyRat]

Here are the latest additions to my 1/2" drive set:

7/8" and 15/16" shallow sockets

They cleaned up well, and I hit them with some Blue Magic to see what would happen. Pretty satisfied with the results.

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[David Jackson]

A few long C and some before. I don't have much but a couple of photos just for fun.

 

[RubiconJK]

Great find on the pliers set Lugz! I've never seen any like those.

 

[Jim C.]

I very recently acquired this pair of Craftsman 6” diagonal cutters. Stamped inside one handle is “AM9-“. Maybe it’s a manufacturer’s mark. Anyone familiar with that mark?

Jim C.

 

[GalaxyRat]

Here's a couple of things I found while out and about yesterday.

A six inch 3/8" extension and a cross bar.

No. 5553 8.5" aluminum torpedo level.

BE 3/8" geometric letter u-joint

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[JoCoSawdust]

Jim C.: I'm curious about the AM9 marking as well. I have some with it, some without.

GR: Nice little haul. If you get tired of looking at that 3/8 universal, please let me know

 

[GalaxyRat]

Jim C.: I'm curious about the AM9 marking as well. I have some with it, some without.

GR: Nice little haul. If you get tired of looking at that 3/8 universal, please let me know

You'll be the first to know!

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[Private Lugnutz]

This is pushing Long C, in that span between Long C and Heritage, but the patent is 1949 so I'm leaving it here. Picked it up at the flea market this morning. The inventor (R.L. Yoke) lived in Portland and I have a few of these marked General Tool so I am confident that General Tool was suppling them to Sears.

 

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Those are some of the best file handles out there IMHO. I’ve got them marked General and BluePoint.

 

[d42jeep]

Most all of mine are General marked.
Here is my long C find of the morning at an estate sale.
-Don

 

[Private Lugnutz]

Those are some of the best file handles out there IMHO. I’ve got them marked General and BluePoint.

Most all of mine are General marked.

Same. GT wasn't an OEM, either, though, so who would've been making these for them in this timeframe? Thorsen? Doesn't seem like a Thorsen tool.

 

[d42jeep]

I very recently acquired this pair of Craftsman 6” diagonal cutters. Stamped inside one handle is “AM9-“. Maybe it’s a manufacturer’s mark. Anyone familiar with that mark?

Jim C.

Jim,
My pair doesn’t have any markings inside the handles.
-Don

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Phil, I did a quick look in older catalogs. That combo rule shows in the 42 tool flyer marked Dunlap (still part# 4026). Doesn't say anything about the leatherette case. It remains branded Dunlap till 49 when it's marked =CRAFTSMAN= (at least in the artists conception) and comes with the case. Sears has done some nostalgia logos now and then but from what I've seen of them, they did a horrible job when they did it. The logo on that tool of yours looks legit to me. I'd say early 50s. Long C was still showing up on odds and ends up to the mid 50s. I have a gas welding set from 53 with a lot of components still marked Long C. Nice find.

 

[Provincial]

I am convinced that the 4026 was sourced from General. I have a General I bought new in the early 1970's.

 

[Rileysan]

Recent eBay acquisition - Craftsman Vanadium (pre-war) DOE wrench set in the original wrench holder! I've been wanting one of these for a long time!

Brian

 

[Jim C.]

I picked up a pair of long C end nippers. Both of the handles have a “0” on them and both have a circle C cast into their inner surface near the end. Any idea who manufactured this tool?

Jim C.

 

[GalaxyRat]

Re: Show your "Long C" Craftsman!

Here are my new level and 3/8" ratchet (I have been looking for one for a few months now). I picked up the ratchet for $10 and the seller said, "That's the ratchet Fred Flinstone used, ya know!".

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[Smokeshow69]

Picked up this long c drill press users guide off eBay for less than $10 shipped! It details care, multiple accessories and all the different functions this model can perform. They are very helpful and I highly recommend them for anyone using a vintage craftsman power tool! I do find it interesting that they used atlas badged equipment for some of the illustrations!








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[GalaxyRat]

Speaking of the user manual for the drill press, does anyone have any sources for the 1930s and 1940s hand tool catalogs? I'm trying to verify my sockets and drive tools as my collection grows. I'm focusing on my Circle H and BE items.

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[JoCoSawdust]

Smoke: Cool manual and in really good shape!

Galaxy: You can't go wrong with David Maher's digitized catalog collection. You'll find odds and ends of catalogs on some websites but having an uninterrupted sequence of them is really helpful to me. He can be contacted at [email protected]

 

[GalaxyRat]

Smoke: Cool manual and in really good shape!

Galaxy: You can't go wrong with David Maher's digitized catalog collection. You'll find odds and ends of catalogs on some websites but having an uninterrupted sequence of them is really helpful to me. He can be contacted at [email protected]

JoCo,

Thanks! I'll shoot him an e-mail.

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[GalaxyRat]

Here's a nice clean Craftsman torpedo level I picked up at a garage sale a while ago. Although it displays the long "C" it appears newer than the date parameters noted earlier in the thread. Any comments as to its age?

Tom B.

I know this was posted a few years ago, but did you ever find any info on your level? I picked one up today and just happened to see this post for it.

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[tombell572]

Galaxy, I never really did follow it up. Other more serious collectors here could probably pin it down.

Tom B.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

A little pre long c but here are a couple c-97 ratchets

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Nice C-97 rats OTG. I can't quite tell by the way they're laid out but you have one of each variant there (long and short) correct? I think anything Long C or earlier fits perfectly on this thread.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

one is shorter