Show your "Long C" Craftsman!

[Smokeshow69]

I can set them aside for the next round if you want. Lemme know.

Yes, quite possible [emoji23] what are you looking for ?


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[JoCoSawdust]

Picked up this pair of Craftsman Vanadium linesman last weekend. Cleaned them up and I've got to say, they're one of the nicest pair of vintage pliers I own.

Those are purdy!!

 

[Smokeshow69]

Those are purdy!!

You keep your craftsman black hole mitts off those [emoji23]


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[JoCoSawdust]

 

[Smokeshow69]

 

[Username already in use]

Haha! You guys are cracking me up over here! I e got another pair of Craftsman Vanadium pliers. But I’m not sure if they’re linesman or not. I’ll have to dig them out and see.

 

[Smokeshow69]

Haha! You guys are cracking me up over here! I e got another pair of Craftsman Vanadium pliers. But I’m not sure if they’re linesman or not. I’ll have to dig them out and see.

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Yep, another pair of Linesman. But the other ones are slightly thicker on the working end. Both have the (C) inside the handle, but I don't think they're the same make.

Either way. The other pair are easily second place in the beauty contest.

 

[Smokeshow69]

Yep, another pair of Linesman. But the other ones are slightly thicker on the working end. Both have the (C) inside the handle, but I don't think they're the same make.



Either way. The other pair are easily second place in the beauty contest.

I think there was discussion about the C makers mark up thread but I think it was channellock??


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[d42jeep]

I think there was discussion about the C makers mark up thread but I think it was channellock??


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See post #2227. I received a very similar pair in October. There was some Channellock discussion.
-Don

 

[Outlawmws]

Pic comparing the cutter jaw interior? That's the key to mapping to the maker. Its distinctive.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

That good looking pair looks just like channelock

 

[Username already in use]

Pic comparing the cutter jaw interior? That's the key to mapping to the maker. Its distinctive.

Here's some comparisons.
The clean pair has teeth below the pivot, a cross hatch pattern on the working end, and a thinner overall profile.

 

[Outlawmws]

if you go WAY back to page 4 and post 62, I have pics of what I'm talking about.

Its not just the jaw pattern, but the forged cavity. The Channels locks have a distinctive "divot" that other patterns (Crescent specifically) did not have.

 

[Username already in use]

if you go WAY back to page 4 and post 62, I have pics of what I'm talking about.

Its not just the jaw pattern, but the forged cavity. The Channels locks have a distinctive "divot" that other patterns (Crescent specifically) did not have.

Hmm, I'm not sure I'm seeing it. Both of these are circle C, but here's a better pic of the forged cavity.

 

[Outlawmws]

I the center pair and the Left Pair on my pick its git a divot, and the cutter junction is similar left to center.

Yours for comparison

 

[3baygarage]

There’s one sitting nearby as I read this. Slightly different, marked USA instead of Vanadium. Later model?

Has amber grips, with diamond pattern underneath. Can’t easily spot any other markings through the grip.

 

[bmwrd0]

Yep, another pair of Linesman. But the other ones are slightly thicker on the working end. Both have the (C) inside the handle, but I don't think they're the same make.

Either way. The other pair are easily second place in the beauty contest.

I have no idea of the maker, but the rounded nose model is referred to as a New England style, while the other, more angular headed one is a standard Linesman Dike (DI-agonal KE-utter)

 

[Smokeshow69]

Here is my humble contribution to this thread. My 2 cutters that I use! I really like those pliers and their grips compared to the more modern plastic smooth grips. 6” and 7-1/4. They are marked as AM41 and AM44...so are these channellock made ?





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[Smokeshow69]

Long C 3/8 box, ratchet, speeder:



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I know this is a super old post but this set is rare, and to find one in its case is very rare! So jealous [emoji106]!


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[Oldtuleguy]

That one was awesome. I have few odd little sets but only one has that cool logo

 

[3baygarage]

I know this is a super old post but this set is rare, and to find one in its case is very rare! So jealous [emoji106]!

I got lucky is all. Right place right time and not priced over the top. The strange part is another of the exact same set sold about a month and a half before this one IIRC. I compared the components well, and it was not the same one. Their speeder was rougher condition, while maybe the sockets and ratchet were better. Maybe theirs was missing the t handle, can't remember.

That one was awesome. I have few odd little sets but only one has that cool logo

The box makes it. You have several very hard to find sets too, with the breaker bar it appears. So did you pick up the 3/8 ratchet that just sold several days ago? The second one to appear within several weeks. Dr. Doom got the other one as we've found out.

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Those vanadium sets and cases are amazing.

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Was not me! I have not really been watching for them either. The sets I have were more impulse buys. Hard to pass them up when you see them.

 

[Smokeshow69]

Was not me! I have not really been watching for them either. The sets I have were more impulse buys. Hard to pass them up when you see them.

I think most craftsman collector’s would have a tough time passing those up if they came across them and knew what they were looking at! Those are super nice


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[Smokeshow69]

In the midst of me bumping the post with the old sets, I think most folks missed my question- who was the vendor for the AM marked pliers?



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[Old Radar]

I have a pair similar to Username's Ugly Sister dikes. They have the Circle-C, Outlaw's divot, but also have grips behind the pivot like Username's Purdy New England Sister.

They are my favorite pair of pliers--I use them almost every time I'm in the garage.

 

[Username already in use]

I have no idea of the maker, but the rounded nose model is referred to as a New England style, while the other, more angular headed one is a standard Linesman Dike (DI-agonal KE-utter)

Thanks for that bit of info. I was today years old...

 

[Gear Wolf]

So did you pick up the 3/8 ratchet that just sold several days ago? The second one to appear within several weeks. Dr. Doom got the other one as we've found out.

I think I'd rather have one that works, where the cosmetics can be remedied than to have one that needs mechanical repair or the possibility of never working again. That was a pretty example but one I was glad to let slip through rather than take on the headache of.

Can't exactly get NOS parts anymore and re-machining some of these 1930s era tools can be problematic (i.e. Craftsman Long Head Ratchet family).

While this is my opinion, I don't believe certain OEMs in the early to mid-1930s offered repair kits/parts to Sears or customers. I believe that the only OEM that would have likely offered anything close to that would have been New Britain; however, I've personally never seen anything like that myself.

Variants of the NM40, S40, and NS40 ran for quite a while through New Britain, and to my knowledge were the only analogs to the various Craftsman BE and Circle H ratchets that had any hope of being repaired practically by a consumer with basic hand tools and the possibility of the OEM making surplus parts. If the customer was aware of this, they could at least request parts through New Britain if they weren't already somehow made available through Sears.

 

[Gear Wolf]

Void

 

[Oldtuleguy]

Thanks gw, I had not seen the the ebay ratchet. Great pics!

 

[Gear Wolf]

Keep me in the loop, please. It didn't look too bad to me and I really expected it to sell for more. I don't need to meet you in the middle - what you paid (plus shipping) is what I'd be happy to pay. I look forward to seeing it in one of your videos. Cheers!

Brian

Hi Brian,

I've reassembled the 3/8" Craftsman Vanadium Ratchet. She works great!

If you didn't buy the 2nd Craftsman Vanadium example on eBay, this one is still available for you, should you still be up for giving it a home. While she isn't as pretty, she can actually still do the job! This is a good candidate to restore/plate if you'd be up for. There is very little mechanical wear or damage to the ratchet body.

From what I remember of seeing that previous auction, the description mentioned that specific example spun like a top in the worst way. If I had to guess, either the bearings are shot or the selector switch's nub broke off.

Feel free to let me know. If Brian is good to go, she is available for cost to any other takers. Otherwise she will go to the auction block in about 2 months.

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Thanks for the inside look GW. Sent you a message in the event Brian has already filled the void.

 

[3baygarage]

Very cool. Thank you for posting the photos. No, I don’t think that’s been done before. Can you explain how the lever is held and where the ball and spring go? Or maybe you want to save that for your video, idk.

 

[Rileysan]

Hi Brian,

I've reassembled the 3/8" Craftsman Vanadium Ratchet. She works great!

If you didn't buy the 2nd Craftsman Vanadium example on eBay, this one is still available for you, should you still be up for giving it a home. While she isn't as pretty, she can actually still do the job! This is a good candidate to restore/plate if you'd be up for. There is very little mechanical wear or damage to the ratchet body ...

Message sent!

 

[Rileysan]

I couldn't have asked for a better segue for my latest post!

Gear Wolf posted pictures of the rare 3/8" drive Craftsman Vanadium ratchet, and OTG & 3bay both show photos of their respective 3/8" drive Craftsman Vanadium socket sets, which are even more rare in such complete states, so I was tickled to acquire a partial set of 3/8" drive Craftsman Vanadium sockets to add to my collection.

These came off eBay last week and were poorly identified, so I paid $5 plus shipping for the 7 sockets. I suspect it will take me a lifetime to complete the set - unless OTG is willing to part with that second partial set in his stable!

Can someone shed some light on the exact sizes that were available? 3bay has 10 sockets in his set and it appears that OTG has 8 in his smaller set.

Here are the sizes I have: 7/8", 13/16", 3/4", 11/16", 21/32", 1/2", 3/8"

Brian

 

[Private Lugnutz]

None the less, for those who only got to see the single photo from the guy on eBay, I'll add several more.

Thanks, GW. I'm not a big eBay'er, so I appreciate the disassembled photos. I already came around to your theory a few months ago, but now I have ZERO doubt that you are correct. These Craftsman ratchets are indeed fraternal non-identical twins to the Blackhawk 9810 gearless freewheelers. What I find intriguing is that Blackhawk added a fifth rolling pin in the Craftsman version for some reason.

 

[Rileysan]

A couple weeks ago I created a thread on a newly acquired, and possibly unknown examples of 1930s Craftsman tappet wrenches.

This past week, I acquired another variety of early tappet wrench, the ca. 1930-31 model 3006, made by Billings & Spencer of which I have an example to compare with the Craftsman. As an aside, did all B&S wrenches say "Chrome Molybdenum" or did they change to "Chrome Vanadium" like the Craftsman example?

The third Craftsman tappet wrench is from ca. 1931-35. The maker isn't identified by AA but would it be safe to assume it was made by Hinsdale, since they were making other wrenches for Sears at that time?

Brian

 

[Rileysan]

And here's a close-up of the aforementioned 1931-35 wrench.

Brian

 

[JoCoSawdust]

Glad to hear that you have the sockets to go with the rat Brian! I've yet to ID that tappet wrench with the ornate logo on it. I do want to incorporate that logo onto something in the future.

The DOE in your last post is interesting as well. I've seen those with forged in Craftsman Vanadium as well as engraved lettering. I have a set of the engraved ones like yours (minus the smallest on) and a few odds and ends of the forged in ones.