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What a great set up! You're doing your Grandpa proud! I'm assuming the intermediate chest is a cut down top chest. The "oddball socket" is an early 1930's C-series. The drivers for that series were made by Snap On. A lot of collectors will tell you that the sockets were as well. The jury is still out on that.
 
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What a great set up! You're doing your Grandpa proud! I'm assuming the intermediate chest is a cut down top chest. The "oddball socket" is an early 1930's C-series. The drivers for that series were made by Snap On. A lot of collectors will tell you that the sockets were as well. The jury is still out on that.

Thank you! it's funny- I found the box with no lid and serious rust at a flea market not far from my house, recognized it, and took it home. I rarely go every weekend, but for whatever reason, I was there the next Saturday, and lo and behold, there was the exact same top box, still rusty but with its lid ( and dignity) intact. I found that VFT , the engine enamel company, makes a gray wrinkle paint, so I tried my hand at antiquing the boxes. It's not quite as blue of a gray, but it'll do the job. The bottom box was used by a GM mechanic for decades, who wore the slides out and beat the daylights out of the box; I had to braze about a dozen stress fractures, cracks and holes, and cannibalize the old box ( possibly a Beach, but in rough shape) for the slides and casters.

I wish I had the rest of the set of those sockets, but the 7/16" is it. Anybody need that size to finish their set?

-James Huston
 

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Not too long ago, I finally found a bottom box that matches my memories of the one my grandfather had when I was a boy,

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and while my efforts to find the other tools of the time have been lackluster ( I have a pair of diagonal cutters, a pair of linesman's pliers, an Allen wrench set, and like one tappet wrench), I have put a respectable dent in gathering the sockets, ratchets and affiliated tools,

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Having decided on the "BE" versions for the shop box, and "H" items for my road box, so as to not mix things up.

I did find this oddball 7/16" socket,

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which I assume predates the early '40s boxes and tools.

-James Huston


A great share! Thank you for this! ^_^

Say, James. Can you send us a few photos of those 3/8" drive ratchets. It looks like one of them is heavily modified.
 

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I wish I had the rest of the set of those sockets, but the 7/16" is it. Anybody need that size to finish their set?
If you want to go in the opposite direction, I have two orphans I would send you for shipping. I'm tired of looking at them.

Can you send us a few photos of those 3/8" drive ratchets. It looks like one of them is heavily modified.
Cut short, anyway, if you're referring to the NB center box.
 

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This fellow?

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I needed to get a couple of 3/8" ratchets to make one relatively solid user, and was looking at the remaining carcass when the thought occurred to me that I could cobble together a stubby ratchet ( which I do use a fair bit) out of the remains. I cut off the knurled handle, ground two flats on either side, cut a notch out of the space just under the directional lever, slid the handle up and drilled it for two pins, then welded it. For the amount of stress a stubby ratchet is subjected to, you'd be hard-pressed to break it, and the ratchet was pretty trashed anyways ( a former owner tried to shrink the worn-out hole that supported the back end of the anvil by peening it with a center punch). It's no prize, but it works, and looks a bit like a user modification that might have been done some time ago.

I wrote a big, long, sappy post about the toolbox and roller on owwm.org. Here it is for anyone interested, edited a hair for brevity,


When I was a boy, I spent a lot of time with my grandparents. My mother worked three jobs to keep a roof over our heads, so she wasn't home until late evening, and my siblings were quite a bit older and had their own lives, so when my favorite after school shows (Batman/ Six Million Dollar Man/ Captain Scarlet; I watched a lot of reruns)were over, I'd head to my grandparents house, more often than not.

My Grandfather was my hero and best friend when I was a child, which is often the case with small boys. He was a cutoff machine operator at the Timken company for forty years, and an avid fisherman, gardener ( he grew tomatoes the size of your head), and woodworker. He was forever making something, be it a martin house, corner shelf or the dollhouse, a three story monster that barely fit on a dining room table, that my mother got for her eleventh birthday. He subscribed to Popular mechanics,Mechanics Illustrated, and every other other publication of that sort known to humankind- There were stacks of them in the sunroom of their house, from the mid '30's up to the late '70's , and I read them every chance I got.

His workshop was in the basement, on the other side from the model railroad ( another of his hobbies). My grandfather would buy tools and hardware as needed ( the ceiling was a cloud cover of hundreds of instant coffee and baby food jars, nailed to the joists by the lid and filled with an enormous array of nails, screws and washers), but larger machines were the result of my grandmother's scrimping and saving, and she invariably got him a stationary machine or tool set every Christmas. A drill press here, a table saw there- over the years she got him one of everything Craftsman ever made.

In the corner, by the workbench, he had a tool box. It was a Craftsman, of course, a towering (to an eight year old) gray cabinet, with three drawers in the top and three more in the bottom, and a sliding door that had a pocket in it for the shiny handle that opened it. It smelled like three-in-one oil and garden hoses, and was crammed with wrenches, screwdrivers and the like. He must have had it a long time by then, because it was a shabby looking affair, with myriad dents, failing paint and drawers that shrieked when you opened them to look at the neat pliers for the millionth time while you waited for grandma to make you tomato soup and a toasted cheese sandwich ( although that may have just been me). I can recall wondering why the top was squared off, but the bottom had curved edges in the front- they may have been from different sets, as I imagine they were likely acquired on two separate Christmas days.

Sears and Roebuck probably had a picture of my grandparents hanging up in the office. To my knowledge, my grandfather never owned a non- C'man tool in his life, from egg-beater drill to wood lathe. It would be nice to have a photo of the shop, but I could go through the VM listing for Craftsman and pick them out from memory. The tools spanned decades, from the muddy blue machines of the '40's to the dark gray of the late '70's.

Unfortunately, he wound up having a stroke ( to be fair, the man smoked Kools like they were going out of style and ate, well, like a guy from the MidWest; I wasn't aware that salads came in flavors other than potato and ham until I was ten or so), and that ,coupled with diabetes, made him a frail, blind old man almost overnight. His chief pleasures became the works of Benny Goodman and westerns, and he would sit and listen to movie after movie. I can honestly say that Once upon a time in the West is my favorite; I can also say that I've seen Hondo at least sixty times, which is about fifty-three times more than recommended.

I was twelve years old when he died. My grandmother was devastated, and couldn't bear to be reminded by what he left behind. She sold absolutely everything in that shop. I wasn't able to save anything of it, other than the hardware- I suppose no one looked up during the estate sale. I don't miss the machines so much- the stuff in my shop would run rings around the ones he had- but I've always missed that tool box.

I've been looking for a replacement box for years, and about five years or so ago, I found an intact top chest and most of a second ( which became a mid box, since it had no top lid anymore) at a local flea market. I bent them back to shape, dollied out the worst of the dents and even found a similar gray wrinkle paint, and they sat perched on a Beach roller ever since.
I've looked high and low for the bottom box . I've taken out ads, joined Craftsman collector groups , and shaken the bushes for an example, but had zero luck until I made that shop post. One day later, another member, Steve (bc17018), messaged me saying he thought he had the match to that box. If I wanted it, he said, I could have it.

I looked at the photos in the email, and was immediately in third grade again.

Amy and I met Steve the next day at his home, a picture perfect residence and shop in a farming community not far from us, where we were greeted at the door by Steve and two of the most lovable young shepherd pups you ever saw( to me, nothing says Welcome like a dog greeting you) .Due to the ongoing Coronavirus, we didn't stay long, so I missed out on seeing his shop; hopefully, another opportunity will arise. There, sitting in the middle of the doorway of an equipment shed so clean you could eat off the floor, sat part of my childhood.

In talking, he mentioned that he had found the box listed for sale by the grandson of the PO. This man had no interest in the box, which neither of us could relate to. Steve surmised the grandfather was a GM mechanic, due to the number of Corvette and other '60's service bulletins found in the box. It was full of mid century professional brand hand tools, which was what caught his eye, and even though he didn't have any need for the box, he wanted it to find a home. Needless to say, mission accomplished.

The box was in surprisingly good condition, given the age, amount of use and rather light construction . It had the usual damaged rails, a number of cracks, and nations of dents, but nothing was missing save the lock, which I'm replacing anyways.The worst issue was the saw cuts in the top, which had two sections bent down, probably to house a larger top box, but ten minutes with a pair of monkey wrenches brought everything back in line. I've already cleaned , stripped and repaired the cabinet itself, replacing the mismatched hardware and ground down wheels on the casters, painted the bottom inside and out with POR-15 and given it three coats of wrinkle paint; the rails were in such poor condition that I cannibalized the ones from the old bottom box. I've brazed the worst of the cracks,took care of the worst of the oil canning from distorted panels,riveted the front cover hinge back on correctly, modified my grease gun bracket to fit the holes already present in the side, and put the box back to rights mechanically. It will take a few more days to finish since I ran out of gas for brazing and used up all my paint, so at the moment it's a work in progress, but I can now do something I haven't done in almost thirty years- open a old, twin handled gray drawer and take out a wrench.

Steve, I'm in your debt. I look at this old toolbox, and I remember a soft spoken old man with infinite patience and a crooked grin who saw the potential in everything. I miss that man very much, and this box has brought back a lot of good memories.

It may not be my grandfather's toolbox, but it was someone's grandfather's toolbox, and that's close enough, I think.

-James Huston
 

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It may not be my grandfather's toolbox, but it was someone's grandfather's toolbox, and that's close enough, I think.
Well said, James. And sappy stories are the best kind!

If you don't mind me piggybacking yours a little, my grandfather also had a model railroad set. It was a gift from Gulf & Western upon his retirement after 45 years and it took up the entire span of the attic in my grandparents' house. I was just a boy but there the day the men came, presented it to him as a surprise, and set it up for him. His nickname was Little Johnny (he stood no more than 5'2") and he was the foreman on the track gang on a little railroad that ran between two zinc plants on either side of town. There was not a dry eye in the house that day and other than funerals it was the first time in my life I had seen that many grown men crying. Like your stack, the set was gone long before I could do anything about it stationed in Germany many years later, but I did get a pen and ink drawing of an engine they also presented to him. I think about him every time I look at it, and that's almost every day! :)

Nice job on the stubby, by the way. It could easily pass for factory.
 

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That's a wonderful keepsake to have. My great grandfather worked for the Pennsylvania Railroad for forty-four years, but he was more interested in books about locomotives than in model railroads; your illustration reminds me of some of the more dynamic action shots in his books.
As an aside, I always find your photos fascinating. There are interesting items everywhere, and I wish I could crane my neck to see more of it!
-James Huston
 

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JHuston said:
As an aside, I always find your photos fascinating. There are interesting items everywhere, and I wish I could crane my neck to see more of it!
Thank you, sir. This year I made it my mission to get "The Lugzsonian" as I like to call it re-organized for display versus storage and I am hoping to post a Virtual Tour soon.

That's a wonderful keepsake to have. My great grandfather worked for the Pennsylvania Railroad for forty-four years, but he was more interested in books about locomotives than in model railroads;
A few years ago I found a very interesting Q&A type book, published in 1943, intended for a fireman looking to be promoted to engineer.

But we should probably discontinue this side-track before Outlaw gives us the gently nudge.
 

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Why would I do that? some of these convos are the most interesting - I might if there were a well known thread for something, but random side tracking keeps the thread fresh.
 

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Here are a few; the polishing kit still has some rouge and wheels.
The plane is unmarked but I suspect it only had a decal. The booklet is 17 pages of care, maintenance and exploded parts diagrams of different models. I can scan it later but heres a shot of the back page-20201206_151231.jpeg20201206_152037.jpeg20201206_152124.jpg

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speaking of which, does anyone know when the box and roller would have been made? I assume he got them in the early '40s, but I don't actually know for a fact, and I've never seen a tool catalog with this particular set ( if it was sold as a set- my grandmother may have bought the box and roller for him at two different times).

Arne73, that's a neat piece of documentation. Does anyone know who made the plane?

-James Huston
 

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That's a cool set up you've got there Lugz. As I recall it's the basement of your house, correct?

James, this clip is from the back page of the 48 tool catalog, the first tool-specific catalog after the war. The 49 catalog shows the majority of the tool chests (bottom chest included) going to one pull per drawer. Your top chest doesn't have the three ribs embossed in the dust cover as the later boxes do. I'm inclined to believe (but can't prove) that your top chest was produced prior to or perhaps even during the war. It looks like a leftover prewar chest that got the gray paint and Heritage logo treatment. BTW..loved reading your story. Highlight of my day.

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James I was just now able to make a bit of time to read your story. Very heartwarming, and what a great gesture from Steve to help you find the roller!

I never really knew my paternal grandfather; he died when I was three or four, and had only met him briefly maybe once or twice, and he was ailing them. My maternal grandfather I knew much better, but he was more of a gardener/farmer, and not very mechanical.

What little guidance I got for working on and building things was from my father, and his tools were about as rudimentary as you can imagine. (a small wards carry box IIR, and a bigger hip box for he "big wrenches" - leftovers from when He drove trucks and needed bigger tools at times)

He'd been a Prop plane mechanic in the Navy and that was where he learned most of his wrenching. I never understood why he didn't stick with aviation after he got out of the navy -It HAD to pay better than driving trucks...

While he was mechanically inclined, it was never his passion. He picked up tools when he needed to, but didn't care the rest of the time. I became the true "mechanic" of the family, and no one else cared (until they need help...)

I still have most of the tools - The boxes are long gone.
 

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I'll add my teary-eyed thanks to both James and Lugz for the touching stories--great reads.

Thank you! My Grandfather was my only male role model growing up, and I often think about how thrilled he would have been to be involved in restoring the machines in my shop, were he still alive ( although he would probably have been a bit disappointed in my woodworking skills, but too kind-hearted to say anything). He would have loved this site.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, who made the tappet wrenches? I have a No.2 1/2" / 9/16", but there aren't any other marks that I can see, although the 9/16" head has been ground down a bit.

-James Huston
 

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Your Grandfather sounds like a great man. I remember mine fondly as well.

The tappet wrenches....that's a loaded question! There's a ridiculously wide variety of early Craftsman tappet wrenches out there. I think they had a wide variety of suppliers. I'd have to see a picture and still may or may not be able to answer your question, perhaps somebody else in here can. One member in here recently found a couple that we didn't even know existed. I find quite a few with the head ground down.
 

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Here's the wrench in question,
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I got it with some long C sockets and a long c 1-1/4"/1-1/16" offset box end wrench.
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I can't give you a maker of it, maybe somebody else here can. I've got some of those, some with the logo curving around the radius of the head, and others with Long C logo along with a -V- stamping. I suspect the latter ones were made by Moore Drop Forging. One thing we've found with the tappet wrenches is that they continued to wear the Long C logo even into the later Heritage era so it's difficult to come up with a date for them. If you scroll upthread a bit, you'll find a couple of tappet wrenches that rileysan recently found that are entirely different from the rest.
 

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The few that I own. Picked them all up one or two at a time at the Carlisle Spring/Fall swap meets. Believe it or not, most were on the tables full of stuff guys are selling with a sign stating "Everything on this table $1".

Nice stuff found cheap!
 

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As you guys may recall, last week I found one of these Parrot heads that had an unusual marking. Nested-diamond grips, but geometric (not underline) C logo, with Heritage-looking double lines bracketing the COO, like this... =: U.S.A. :=, and no Vanadium marking. These are less ambiguous. Circle-C.
 

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I found these in my garage a couple of days ago and after they came out of the evaporust they turned out to be a match for the ones you found last week.
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As you guys may recall, last week I found one of these Parrot heads that had an unusual marking. Nested-diamond grips, but geometric (not underline) C logo, with Heritage-looking double lines bracketing the COO, like this... =: U.S.A. :=, and no Vanadium marking. These are less ambiguous. Circle-C.

Hi Lugz,

I recently purchased the same pliers for my box. Yours looks in great condition! Nice find.
 

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I recently purchased the same pliers for my box. Yours looks in great condition! Nice find.
Thanks, danandmelrod. They cleaned up well. I had a dickens of a time disassembling them. The end of the half-round pivot pin was buggered. I was afraid of damaging the nut, but managed to get it off. Then I had to use a drive pin punch with not some little force to get the pin out. Finally, I had to dress the threads to get the nut back on. It's too bad my timing wasn't better. I will be flipping these on eBay. I like finding Long C, but I don't seem to be keeping much of it! :)

In fact I have been toying with a dilemma. I have a complete NB-made (H) 1/2-inch set with that tell-tale dry preservative with the yellow sheen in the attache style box with a leather handle. I have a complete Plomb-made (U) 1/2-inch set without a box. I'm thinking of either selling the (U) set or putting the (U) set in the box and selling the (H) set.
 

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Hi Lugz,

I recently purchased the same pliers for my box. Yours looks in great condition! Nice find.


Say, that Craftsman brochure you show on picture #3, is that yours? I am curious to know what year that specific brochure was printed.
 

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Here are a few photos from today’s swap!
 

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Thanks, danandmelrod. They cleaned up well. I had a dickens of a time disassembling them. The end of the half-round pivot pin was buggered. I was afraid of damaging the nut, but managed to get it off. Then I had to use a drive pin punch with not some little force to get the pin out. Finally, I had to dress the threads to get the nut back on. It's too bad my timing wasn't better. I will be flipping these on eBay. I like finding Long C, but I don't seem to be keeping much of it! :)

In fact I have been toying with a dilemma. I have a complete NB-made (H) 1/2-inch set with that tell-tale dry preservative with the yellow sheen in the attache style box with a leather handle. I have a complete Plomb-made (U) 1/2-inch set without a box. I'm thinking of either selling the (U) set or putting the (U) set in the box and selling the (H) set.

I’ll definitely keep an eye out for your pliers. I’m going to try to give it the Scoutcrafter resto on mine and it will be nice to have a backup just in case I grind the logo off. Mine are a bit rusty.

I don’t follow Plomb tools on eBay but I know that the (H) set will fetch a pretty penny.

Dan.
 

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The past month has been super busy for me and I haven't had much time for searching eBay listings to add to my collection, so imagine my surprise when I came home late last night to find a package from "Craftsman Claus" waiting for me in the mailbox. A quick glance at the return address made me suspect it was likely sent by a GJ member, and after opening it and seeing what was inside - even without reading the note - my guess was confirmed!

Stepping back in time some ~5 years ago, I was browsing my local CL listings for Craftsman tools. Much to my delight, I came across a listing of misc Craftsman wrenches that included a ca. 1933-34 Craftsman X-10 short/deep DBE wrench, part of a set of 3 made by Hinsdale. Little did I realize what kind of rabbit hole I was jumping into!

Over the years since, I have acquired only one more wrench from the shorty set (an X-30 by way of Mr. X who surprised me with it more than a year ago), and one of the 6 wrenches from the long set. As you can see from the first photo, I didn't even put a screw in the wall for the X-20 because I honestly didn't expect to find one - though I knew that Jocosawdust had an X-20 in his possession so I made a half-hearted attempt of asking him to part with it, and considering how difficult these are proving to find, I had no such illusions!

Anyways, I'm turning this into a novel. Scott sent me the wrench without any further nagging on my part and I couldn't be more delighted!

Thank you, Scott, very much for the unexpected gift! It now has a spot next to some of my other Craftsman rarities, some of which I don't expect to see in my lifetime.

-Brian
 

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JoCoSawdust

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I'm glad it completed a set Brian. I got tired of hearing the X20's muffled sobs of loneliness every time I walked past the box it was in! It looks much happier there on your wall, singing the song of its people.
 

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I took a long road trip today to bring this home. It's the first one of these I've found that's not missing parts that I know I'll never find. Other than a little reshaping of an eyeshield frame and a piece of safety glass, this will stay just as is it. It's dated 1942. Since I've got plenty of grinders mounted in the shop for use, this is purely for the collection. I'm knocking an idea around in my head for taking another stab at another advertising piece, a display for this and it's 1/3hp little brother.

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Thanks, it was well taken care of. I purchased it from the daughter of the original owner. Her husband replaced some wiring at some point. I haven't looked inside yet to see what kind of job he did but it works perfectly.
 

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Thanks gents. I figured out where to park the grinders that doesn't involve me having to do any extra work. The 1/3hp needs a cosmetic overhaul to get rid of the John Deere green center band. Instead of trying to make it look like new, I plan to attempt to recreate the look of the patina of it's big brother.

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Thanks gents. I figured out where to park the grinders that doesn't involve me having to do any extra work. The 1/3hp needs a cosmetic overhaul to get rid of the John Deere green center band. Instead of trying to make it look like new, I plan to attempt to recreate the look of the patina of it's big brother.

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Whoah, got anymore shots of your shop?

-James Huston
 

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I'll post some more once I get it back into a bit better order James. I'm currently doing a lot of rearranging and it looks like bomb went off in it right now. It's fun though!
 
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