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M635_Guy

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What I love about the adjustment on those is that you don't have to back it down to zero at the end of the day! Well, at least on the ones I bought from an American company. Also, adjustment is faster, no more wrist twist.
Yeah - ease of adjustment is a big draw for me, and putting it away however it is doesn't hurt my feelings either.
 

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Recent eBay purchase (6/29 and 6/30/2023). Basically over paid for everything. But not too bad, I guess.

Snap-on pocket screw driver: Thought I was doing good on this one until I looked up the equivalent in the Snap-on catalog. I could have got a new one back ordered for a month for $5 less.

2 Piece USA Craftsman mini screwdriver set. Not worth what I paid. But proud to have them and in new condition.

6 inch USA Challenger adjustable wrench. Used but in nearly new condition. Nice addition from anther manufacturer to my small 6 inch collection.

Nice new old stock Craftsman 12 inch bag made by the fine people in the Philippines.

Challenger 1/4 inch drive ratchet, Craftsman 1/4 inch drive 6 inch extension, Armstrong 1/4 drive universal joint and various sockets were sold bundled.

USA Craftsman 43531 H series - 1/4 inch drive 6 inch extension

USA Armstrong 10-947 1/4 drive universal joint

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7/161/412USACraftsman43606Inverted G
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11/321/412USACraftsman43604Inverted G
5/161/412USACraftsman43603Inverted G
9/321/46USAWilliams (Wms)M-609
1/41/46USACraftsman43493Inverted G
7/321/46USAArmstrong10-007
3/161/46USACraftsman43491G
1/81/46USAWilliams (Wms)M-604


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What would this be classified as? And what year would it have been sold? Thanks.

Craftsman Dog Bone Wrench

As far as date, there might be a manufacturer code on it somewhere

Craftsman Hand Tool Manufacturers & Date Ranges
 

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FBM purchase a weekend ago. The guy said he had them put away for 20 years. Got both a SAE and metric set of USA forged Craftsman raised panel double open ended wrenches. All VV series. I had wanted the V^ (inverted V) series to go with my 26 piece combination wench set I've had for 20 to 30 years now. But decided not to pass on these two sets. There going to need a slight cleaning. Not yet quite sure how to clean the waxed canvas wrench roll. I read on-line that taking it to a dry cleaner will ruin or remove the wax coating on the canvas.

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Picked this up from Matco. Sometimes it's nice not to have to drag the hose out for the air powered one. F998FE6C-BE75-4E0B-AA5E-63E90D1CFE95.jpeg

I got a Mityvac Silverline Elite a few years and I have one beef with it:

The operating rod for the piston has a roll pin through it that the moving handle pushes against, and you can be pumping away like a fiend when the roll pin falls out of position or maybe just plain falls out. It's not quite long enough and really not secured, and can really be an interruption and distraction. Also, for their highest level product and a durable, non-plastic version at that, it's just kinda weird.

So keep an eye out for that, if yours has that.
 

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What happens when you wake up, check out new eBay postings for USA Craftsman tools and see something that in the moment seems interesting... You make an offer since the asking price is too high to begin with... and then to your surprise the offer is accepted. Well the answer is you still pay too much for something you don't really need. Arrived in the mail today. I vaguely remember seeing these in Sears many years ago. I wonder how many of these they sold.

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Those things terrify me, but I've never owned a vehicle that was a pavement princess. I'm always having to remove tall grass, vines, etc that gets wrapped around the driveshaft and whatnot. More than once I've had wire stuck under the car or truck that ripped the wires loose from an 02 sensor etc. Even had a piece of what looked like a bicycle's training wheels get caught up and snap a brake line clean off the wife's rear tire when she was following us down the dirt road to one of our fishing holes, and it's by no means one of the worse maintained roads and driveways we frequent. I have less than zero doubts at all that any valve like that would cost me engine.

Besides, I really like to pull the plug and inspect that magnet with each change. Any vehicle of mine that didn't come with an oil drain plug with a magnet gets one.

I guess every vehicle I have is... just a car. That's some severe duty!

I'll defend Fumoto only briefly here but you are right, it's not for you

a) the one I showed a picture of had the full-length ******. (There is also a short (less excited?) ****** version.) Here's the basic no-****** version:

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So that's better clearance.

2) Somewhere on Amazon I've seen a review/photo by somebody who high-centered their Toyota pickup or SUV down upon a large rock, and the Fumoto survived the direct hit and the oil pan dented badly.

But you? You stick with a bolt! Heck, have you considered safety wiring your drain plug? :D


I like magnets a lot, too. Besides inspection, there's a lot to be said for "oil without small particles of metal in it is a better lubricant than oil with small particles of metal in it." (Yes, oil filter media catches the bigger pieces.) For more surface area and protection, you might like a FilterMag. Alas, they are not cheap -- and then, if you want to inspect the inside of the filter when it's removed, you'll need a filter cutter, too, another $30-45.

 

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What happens when you wake up, check out new eBay postings for USA Craftsman tools and see something that in the moment seems interesting... You make an offer since the asking price is too high to begin with... and then to your surprise the offer is accepted. Well the answer is you still pay too much for something you don't really need. Arrived in the mail today. I vaguely remember seeing these in Sears many years ago. I wonder how many of these they sold.

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I picked up one of those at some point! Not sure where, maybe Harry Epstein's. Love it! You can push a starter hole into wood with ease (well, pine) and then drill or just screw in a screw by hand, from there.
 

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What happens when you wake up, check out new eBay postings for USA Craftsman tools and see something that in the moment seems interesting... You make an offer since the asking price is too high to begin with... and then to your surprise the offer is accepted. Well the answer is you still pay too much for something you don't really need. Arrived in the mail today. I vaguely remember seeing these in Sears many years ago. I wonder how many of these they sold.
I can't recall how or when I acquired it (probably from some master kit years ago), but I have a 41026 model that is still unused. At this point it is just something somewhat unique to have in the collection.
 

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Decided to use the July 4th sale to get the new Icon 3/8" split beam torque wrench. I have the 1/2", which has been very well-reviewed and have liked it a lot so far - I especially like the setting/adjustment.
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This is what it's potentially replacing (SO QD2FR75)
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...though there's not *quite* as much pivot, and there are situations where the shorter length of the SO will probably be useful, so I'll probably keep it for a while...
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I had to run to HF over the holiday to pick up their Maddox fan clutch removal tool - was having a devil of a time getting it off my Aspen. While i was there I saw the split beam as well - had no idea they had released one although I had been hoping they would. I too have the 1/2” and have been really happy with it for my DIY driveway repairs. Picked it up with the coupon which sweetened the deal considerably.

Of course while I was there I had to check the clearance/open stock section. Found their Chief long stroke air hammer, marked down to $95, was missing the quick release chuck but was otherwise new. I had a spare generic chuck at home, and needed a long stroke anyway as my Craftsman mid stroke was a little underpowered on some of the recent suspension work i had to deal with. Turns out the recent coupon also worked on the open box, so I got it for $72 or so.

Despite having to work on my truck in this TX heat over the holiday it was a good weekend.
 
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Decided to use the July 4th sale to get the new Icon 3/8" split beam torque wrench. I have the 1/2", which has been very well-reviewed and have liked it a lot so far - I especially like the setting/adjustment.
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This is what it's potentially replacing (SO QD2FR75)
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...though there's not *quite* as much pivot, and there are situations where the shorter length of the SO will probably be useful, so I'll probably keep it for a while...
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I read the thread here two(?) years ago discussing these Icon split beams compared to the Tekton’s, eg if they’re the same or similar.

I have the Tekton 3/8 and 1/2 saved in my wish list. Figured I’d go with the Tekton for super easy warranty if ever needed. Vs getting the PI which may be difficult to warranty.

But everyone’s testimony about those Icons is pretty great. So it’s a toss up.

(I too am just a home gamer DIY)
 

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Picked this up from Matco. Sometimes it's nice not to have to drag the hose out for the air powered one. F998FE6C-BE75-4E0B-AA5E-63E90D1CFE95.jpeg

OK,what's the air powered one? For that kind of job, I use a CAPRI vacuum brake bleeder...
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with just the right diameter of copper tubing stuck into the rubbery brake bleeder end of the hose. Fast and easy! Of my various "**** O Matic" tools in my shop, this one's my favorite.

(I've also picked up CAPRI's six foot hose for it, so it can sit on the floor and I can press the valve with my foot if need be, but mostly not just stand there holding it with my other hand.)
 
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I had to run to HF over the holiday to pick up their Maddox fan clutch removal tool - was having a devil of a time getting it off my Aspen. While i was there I saw the split beam as well - had no idea they had released one although I had been hoping they would. I too have the 1/2” and have been really happy with it for my DIY driveway repairs. Picked it up with the coupon which sweetened the deal considerably.

Of course while I was there I had to check the clearance/open stock section. Found their Chief long stroke air hammer, marked down to $95, was missing the quick release chuck but was otherwise new. I had a spare generic chuck at home, and needed a long stroke anyway as my Craftsman mid stroke was a little underpowered on some of the recent suspension work i had to deal with. Turns out the recent coupon also worked on the open box, so I got it for $72 or so.

Despite having to work on my truck in this TX heat over the holiday it was a good weekend.
Those air-hammer-powered crow's foot tools for fan clutches are pretty neat! Here's the caveman way it can be done: same air hammer, long chisel attachment, apply force in the correct direction near, but not at, corners. That had been done on the Durango I take care of, before it became my cross to bear sacred quest, and the scarring on the flats really was minor.
 

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Those air-hammer-powered crow's foot tools for fan clutches are pretty neat! Here's the caveman way it can be done: same air hammer, long chisel attachment, apply force in the correct direction near, but not at, corners. That had been done on the Durango I take care of, before it became my cross to bear sacred quest, and the scarring on the flats really was minor.
I actually tried that first, along with tapping a crescent wrench on the end to try and break the seal due to rust/corrosion. No luck. Just wasn’t enough room and I didn’t have enough hands it seemed. After I got the tool I still couldn’t get it off. Ended up having my son put extra tension on the belt using the serpentine tool I had - that gave just enough extra grip to allow the air hammer wrench to finally pop it loose. I hated having to get the extra tool, but in the end it was worth it, and I am sure I will need it again.
 

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I read the thread here two(?) years ago discussing these Icon split beams compared to the Tekton’s, eg if they’re the same or similar.
The Tekon has 10° of flex vs. 15° for the Icon, the Tekton is very-slightly shorter, satin finish for Tekton vs. Icon's chrome, the adjustment window/etc. is a bit different, etc. - I don't think they're from the same supplier, but I could be wrong.

They didn't do well (especially the 3/8) in the first Tools Tested video. Apparently Tekton reached out to him and wanted them back for analysis (which is a good thing) and replaced them. The replacements tested out extremely well. I'm not quite cynical enough to say they cherry-picked the replacements, but I do wish he'd found a way to purchase another set anonymously and he did say he'd still pick the Icon.

Despite that, I have a lot of faith in Tekton, so despite their initial flub in that particular set of testing I think they'd be fine tools. For me, my two Icons were crimes of opportunity when I caught 25% off sales, so I'm under $200 for both.

It's nice to have good options ;)
 

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The Tekon has 10° of flex vs. 15° for the Icon, the Tekton is very-slightly shorter, satin finish for Tekton vs. Icon's chrome, the adjustment window/etc. is a bit different, etc. - I don't think they're from the same supplier, but I could be wrong.

They didn't do well (especially the 3/8) in the first Tools Tested video. Apparently Tekton reached out to him and wanted them back for analysis (which is a good thing) and replaced them. The replacements tested out extremely well. I'm not quite cynical enough to say they cherry-picked the replacements, but I do wish he'd found a way to purchase another set anonymously and he did say he'd still pick the Icon.

Despite that, I have a lot of faith in Tekton, so despite their initial flub in that particular set of testing I think they'd be fine tools. For me, my two Icons were crimes of opportunity when I caught 25% off sales, so I'm under $200 for both.

It's nice to have good options ;)

Yeah I had the same cynical outlook in his second/follow up video I watched.
 

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The Tekon has 10° of flex vs. 15° for the Icon, the Tekton is very-slightly shorter, satin finish for Tekton vs. Icon's chrome, the adjustment window/etc. is a bit different, etc. - I don't think they're from the same supplier, but I could be wrong.

They didn't do well (especially the 3/8) in the first Tools Tested video. Apparently Tekton reached out to him and wanted them back for analysis (which is a good thing) and replaced them. The replacements tested out extremely well. I'm not quite cynical enough to say they cherry-picked the replacements, but I do wish he'd found a way to purchase another set anonymously and he did say he'd still pick the Icon.

Despite that, I have a lot of faith in Tekton, so despite their initial flub in that particular set of testing I think they'd be fine tools. For me, my two Icons were crimes of opportunity when I caught 25% off sales, so I'm under $200 for both.

It's nice to have good options ;)
Harbor Freight is a much bigger operation, and they designed the Icon to be better than Pittsburghe and Quinn. I would bet on Icon.
 

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OK,what's the air powered one? For that kind of job, I use a CAPRI vacuum brake bleeder...
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with just the right diameter of copper tubing stuck into the rubbery brake bleeder end of the hose. Fast and easy! Of my various "**** O Matic" tools in my shop, this one's my favorite.

(I've also picked up CAPRI's six foot hose for it, so it can sit on the floor and I can press the valve with my foot if need be, but mostly not just stand there holding it with my other hand.)
I have the older version of this one below. I used to have a pressurized one that never worked. Then I saw them use this on like season 2 of Gas Monkey Garage and I bought it. I've used the **** outta it.
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I guess every vehicle I have is... just a car. That's some severe duty!

I'll defend Fumoto only briefly here but you are right, it's not for you

a) the one I showed a picture of had the full-length ******. (There is also a short (less excited?) ****** version.) Here's the basic no-****** version:

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So that's better clearance.

2) Somewhere on Amazon I've seen a review/photo by somebody who high-centered their Toyota pickup or SUV down upon a large rock, and the Fumoto survived the direct hit and the oil pan dented badly.

But you? You stick with a bolt! Heck, have you considered safety wiring your drain plug? :D


I like magnets a lot, too. Besides inspection, there's a lot to be said for "oil without small particles of metal in it is a better lubricant than oil with small particles of metal in it." (Yes, oil filter media catches the bigger pieces.) For more surface area and protection, you might like a FilterMag. Alas, they are not cheap -- and then, if you want to inspect the inside of the filter when it's removed, you'll need a filter cutter, too, another $30-45.

I think this is basically standard on most cat engines. Something similar. But the one on a cat, trips the valve as you screw on the drain extension hose. It's very low profile and not much taller than a drain screw.
 

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I have the older version of this one below. I used to have a pressurized one that never worked. Then I saw them use this on like season 2 of Gas Monkey Garage and I bought it. I've used the **** outta it.
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I have that capri tool air bleeder as well and think very highly of it! Great tool and a great price. Feels very quality and well made
 

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I have the older version of this one below. I used to have a pressurized one that never worked. Then I saw them use this on like season 2 of Gas Monkey Garage and I bought it. I've used the **** outta it.
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Since I brought it up earlier, the copper tubing that fits into the brake bleeder rubber end of my CAPRI bleeder is 1/4". I've used smaller diameter before that and of course, that's slower, but it also may have not been good for gear oil.

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I mostly use this for brake reservoirs, power steering reservoirs, and Durango front differential. Oh, and BMW oil filter housing during an oil change. Once you have a ****-O-Matic, all sorts of uses appear before you.
 
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