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BobsYourUncle69
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Id be curious to see too. I have the SA forged C19 that are atlwast 10 year or so old. The reason why I bring this up is because the ones on these sets are different to the ones I have in my older set , most noticeable on the square half inch drive area vs my c19 sockets from SA , my D19 sockets from SA and Germany.
The square drive section very much resembles my Gedore Red socket when it comes to the that. I hope I'm saying this correctly , but I'll see if I can take pics this weekend and put them here.
The Ratchet and the 2 extensions have Germany listed as the COO , however the sockets have no COO which could mean 2 things , they're made in Taiwan or South Africa. I'm 95% sure they aren't made on South Africa as the South African ones sre identical to the German sockets and the square drive on the newer SA ones remains the same as it was before.
I'll upload the pictures and I'll include my Gedore Red sockets too and you'll see why/how I've come to this conclusion.
If that's the case , which I believe it is , then I think the usual $250 price tag is a rip off. Don't get me wrong , Taiwanese tool makers have stepped up their game , which is great , but they still need to come in at Taiwanese pricing which I feel that set does not @$250
The $50 I paid was a bargain though.
Basic guideline is
-COO Germany socket - stamped Germany
-COO RSA - no COO stamped but indetical to the German socket
-Taiwan - No COO stamped but also has rounding of the corners on the square drive section as most tiaeanese scokets to , Gedore Red , Ampro , King Tony , Tekton etc, they all have it. It seems to be a Taiwanese thing that ( cortect me if I'm wrong )
I didn't know the Gedore stuff was being made in Taiwan but given what those sockets look like along with some Amazon listings of some 1/4 sets and those with plastic cases , I think Taiwanese sockets in some sets are starting to become a thing with Gedore in certain regions.
Whoops! Yup, and fixed.
I like the offset on the box end of the USAG.I also ordered the Craftsman Overdrive wrenches with the $50 Lowes deal, they arrived today. Pretty nice. Some images comparing them to my USAG set.
A few notes:
So while I really like the USAG set more, and I really dislike the 11mm skip on the CMan (Porsche uses a lot of 11mm), It's hard to ignore the triple price for very similar SB&D wrenches...
- Lengths are the same.
- The anti-slip features look pretty damn similar, even if the craftsman is technically not RBRT?
- The craftsman's are definitely thinner, not as nice In the hand.
- USAG set is 8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19mm (12 piece)
- CMan set is 6-8-10-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19mm (11 piece)
- The wrench holder on the USAG was sold separately ($8), but *much* nicer.
- USAG set was ~$50 delivered (Lowes)
- CMan set was ~$150 delivered (Mr Worker)
Ive seen the various SB&D brands of these wrenches. I wonder if any non SB&D brands sell wrenches from the same factory. Like the Toptul GSAX1201 set looks like it could potentially be the same source, or of course could just be intentionally appearing so.
esben57
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Just received these WURTH items 24hr delivery.
Was in the canary Islands on holiday earlier and came across their depot, was more like a boutique inside.
Pidgin Spanish I asked if they were trade only or anybody could walk in.
Prices quoted were non trade.
Pliers are Knipex, the Knipex branded were 93 euros (£35-£40 GBP here) Bit set 70 euros.
I put them back. When I got home I've opened an account with WURTH.
The pliers £33 bit set £26.50 GBP including 20% VAT with free delivery
YesIHaveAHammer
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I wondered what "RW" bits were, turns out for "Assy" screws https://www.wuerth.de/web/en/assy/assy_schraube/assy_innovationsschraube.php
esben57
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They can grow Moss and cobwebs. Haven't the spirit to find the screws and a reason to use them.
As for the Zebra pliers, I ordered 1 - one and got 1 - ONE BOX containing 5 - five pliers.
Thanks for clarifying. That was my same thought (smaller would look a lot better on my boxes).
Perfect for Subys. You’ll just leave it installed after the ring lands have been liberatedjust trolling
I could use one of those for the V-8 in my 05 Explorer. The oil is almost self-changing at this point (takes a quart every 4-6 weeks), LOL. No smoke or drips, which is the weird thing.
Mike
This funnel was my gateway drug and may work for your Ford:
19802 Threaded Oil / Transmission Funnel
Hands-Free Filling on Threaded Valve Cover Openings.
www.lislecorp.com
$12ish on Amazon. It's nice to not have to worry about spills, but very nice to be able to put a quart bottle in there and walk away for 15 minutes and do other chores while it drips out. (I've got one large Assenmacher for German cars that can hold a 5 quart Mobil 1 jug, too.)
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BobsYourUncle69
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Pictured here is the German Gedore d19 26mm ( to show that logo change hasn't changed design of the sockets ) , SA C19 , set C19 ( the socket that came with the set), a Gedore red socket and an Ampro socket.
You can see the square drive across the SA and German is the same however the socket that came in this set look identical to the Gedore red socket if you remove the knurling and also a very similar to the Ampro. ( Those rounded corners )
I know the Gedore US sales manager visits this forum from time to time and perhaps could shed some light as it looks like these sockets were made in a Gedore Red factory , not one of the regular Gedore factories. Nothing was mentioned on these packages about parts of it coming from elsewhere but rather a simple " made in Germany "
If I'd paid the full retail of $250 for this set , I'd feel short changed. Gedore Red sockets arnet bad and but they're significantly cheaper and that should reflect in the retail here as well which it doesn't.
Apologies , you got more than you bargained for in response to your post
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I had a multi-tool 20+ hears ago, and it was a piece of ****. I decided it was time for another, and one that would be lifetime (Leatherman Wave Alpla). So...
The MagnaCut steel blade was the big attraction:
And bigger scissors
I love the feel of the G10 handles too...
The MagnaCut steel blade was the big attraction:
And bigger scissors
I love the feel of the G10 handles too...
Beerhippie
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Oh, great: Another driver config no one asked for!
PelicanPines
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BobsYourUncle69
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I like these very much
PelicanPines
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I like the selection of bits... Where did we get that?
Answer... Thank you... Yes I liked it too. Amazon same day delivery.
shoggoth80
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Got a warranty replacement for my pry bar... I mean my large flathead screwdriver. And got myself an actual pry bar. I think the Hyper Tough is made by Wilde? It was like $11. Can't beat that with a stick.
Did it say made in USA ? I know the mini hyper tough ones are.Got a warranty replacement for my pry bar... I mean my large flathead screwdriver. And got myself an actual pry bar. I think the Hyper Tough is made by Wilde? It was like $11. Can't beat that with a stick.
shoggoth80
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The Husky I warrantied WAS. I got a made in Vietnam replacement.
The Hyper Tough pry bars ARE. All the ones on the shelf were. I don't know what volume deal was struck for them, but the price is ridiculously low for what it is. American made pry bar, with a striking cap. I'll probably grab a couple other sizes in the near future.
The Hyper Tough pry bars ARE. All the ones on the shelf were. I don't know what volume deal was struck for them, but the price is ridiculously low for what it is. American made pry bar, with a striking cap. I'll probably grab a couple other sizes in the near future.
d.mcfarland
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WILDE
Ohio Andy
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Yes, Amazon
Klein Tools 32315HD 15-in-1 Multi-Bit Ratcheting Screwdriver, Impact-Rated, 7 Double-Ended ProFlex Torsion Zone Tips, 1/4-Inch Nut Driver, 8-Piece
Although I must about i have considered this one, because the bits are useable in a regular driver...
Klein Tools 33803 ProFlex 42-Bit Impact Driver Bit Set with Modular Case, S2 Steel, Magnetic, Adjustable Screwdriver, but the previous one tagged less space to take with you.
Farmall450
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I really like my overdrives (got them for Christmas last year). The rack is literally why I bought them - I wasn't going to spend MAC prices back in the day to get them.I also ordered the Craftsman Overdrive wrenches with the $50 Lowes deal, they arrived today. Pretty nice. Some images comparing them to my USAG set.
A few notes:
So while I really like the USAG set more, and I really dislike the 11mm skip on the CMan (Porsche uses a lot of 11mm), It's hard to ignore the triple price for very similar SB&D wrenches...
- Lengths are the same.
- The anti-slip features look pretty damn similar, even if the craftsman is technically not RBRT?
- The craftsman's are definitely thinner, not as nice In the hand.
- USAG set is 8-9-10-11-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19mm (12 piece)
- CMan set is 6-8-10-12-13-14-15-16-17-18-19mm (11 piece)
- The wrench holder on the USAG was sold separately ($8), but *much* nicer.
- USAG set was ~$150 delivered (Mr Worker)
- CMan set was ~$50 delivered (Lowes)
Farmall450
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Walmart also has a great price on the largest Hypertough (USA Wilde), but only one of the 3 stores around me carries it (oddly enough). Anyhow, I'm glad I found a replacement for the Craftsman sets. Guess I should really start using the HT hard to I can warranty them if needed (and still get an USA product).Got a warranty replacement for my pry bar... I mean my large flathead screwdriver. And got myself an actual pry bar. I think the Hyper Tough is made by Wilde? It was like $11. Can't beat that with a stick.
Skyman
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Recent arrivals:
Perhaps not a tool in some people's opinions, but I'm going to enjoy not having to wrestle casters, hand trucks, and other small wheeled items over the 1.5" step at the entries to the garage doors:
These paper towel holders also might not qualify as tools, but I've bought these in the past, and love them. I'll be mounting them on the uprights of a utility cart in the garage:
Perhaps not a tool in some people's opinions, but I'm going to enjoy not having to wrestle casters, hand trucks, and other small wheeled items over the 1.5" step at the entries to the garage doors:
These paper towel holders also might not qualify as tools, but I've bought these in the past, and love them. I'll be mounting them on the uprights of a utility cart in the garage:
four.cycle
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^ from?
(the door threshold thingie is way cool. solid rubber, I assume? looks like they've got all kinds of "ramp" thingies for thresholds. fortunately my floors are all on the same level. https://www.ruedamannramp.com/ )
Fly Fishing Rick
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Got a Klein 13 in 1 ratcheting driver. I used a 15 in 1 for a while but hated almost everything about it and ended up giving it away. The handle was too fat, it took proprietary bits with a detent ball, and just wasn't a very good tool. The 13 in 1 accepts any standard 1/4" hex bit, comes with impact rated bits, and has a slimmer handle design. The only thing the 15 in 1 had that this one doesn't is an ECX bit, but a square drive works just as well in my opinion.
I also had this little 8" drill press and cheap milling table given to me today. The drill press works great but did require a little love to make it pretty again lol.
I also had this little 8" drill press and cheap milling table given to me today. The drill press works great but did require a little love to make it pretty again lol.
YesIHaveAHammer
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There's something to appreciate about this, in this world of apps, bluetooth, phones and laptops.
KnurledNut
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Just received these WURTH items 24hr delivery.
Was in the canary Islands on holiday earlier and came across their depot, was more like a boutique inside.
Pidgin Spanish I asked if they were trade only or anybody could walk in.
Prices quoted were non trade.
Pliers are Knipex, the Knipex branded were 93 euros (£35-£40 GBP here) Bit set 70 euros.
I put them back. When I got home I've opened an account with WURTH.
The pliers £33 bit set £26.50 GBP including 20% VAT with free delivery
ASSY RW is a successor to the AW series which is another WüRTH screw configuration.
Here's a 5/16 hex bit I have:
Jarhead0408
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Where are you getting boots from?
Some new Lisle CV boot clamp pliers and some CV boot clamps.
I was having the hardest time sourcing these clamps locally, you would think being in a big city it would be easy, those days are gone, eBay to the rescue for the clamps, and RockAuto for the pliers.
I had a multi-tool 20+ hears ago, and it was a piece of ****. I decided it was time for another, and one that would be lifetime (Leatherman Wave Alpla). So...
The MagnaCut steel blade was the big attraction:
And bigger scissors
I love the feel of the G10 handles too...
Not sure I've seen a multi-tool with G10 scales. I like it. I want one.
Farmall450
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Seemed like a good deal until the shipping came in at 50% of the order total
PelicanPines
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Quick first impressions... She is heavy. A bit too much back drag on the ratcheting feature. The bits don't come arranged for OCD victims. That was easy to correct. The broaching for the bits leaves something to be desired. Maybe after repeated use the hole will deburr itself. In the end... I rate it Impressive weight with the best selection of bits offered in anything currently available.
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Nobody-named-Olli
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In case this is of any interest:
Heco HD Drive, Spax T-Star plus (2x), Wuerth AW (2x) and Wuerth RW all sized “20” - the one above all, a little out of focus is a regular Torx 20 - and that is the common denominator.
And the corresponding fasteners.
Wuerth Assy 4.0 (RW), Wuerth Assy 3.0 (AW), Spax T-Star plus, Heco Topix Plus (HD Drive)
All of these can be driven with a regular Torx 20 bit if you must, albeit being proprietary drive/ head designs.
Two standing out are the Heco HD Drive & Wuerth RW drive, as those form a truly rock solid connection between correct/proprietary bit and fastener when pushed on. This allows for precise, one handed operation without magnetized bit holders, or sleeved bit holders. Obviously that wears over time, but it’s god sent in some situations.
The Heco HD bits are furthermore “reverse” compatible with regular Torx drives.
I used to be heavily invested in Spax fasteners, but after trying Heco’s Topix Plus & Wuerth’s Assy 4.0 fasteners I haven’t stocked up on any Spax T-Star plus fasteners in ages and I’m phasing those out/ replacing them with Heco and Wuerth. Between those two, it’s just a matter of which supplier I have an order going with. Depending on the task I still buy from other brands as well, as not every configuration of fastener is always available, but that is very seldom.
When looking at this, consider the difference between HD drive/RW drive to regular Torx drive being an equally whole landslide type difference that Philips/Pozi to Torx has been before these.
Wuerth AW drive in comparison to regular Torx was never that impressive.
Spax T-Star drive has been solid in regards to positive engagement/ cam out - but never formed that much of a rock solid connection between T-Star plus bit and T-Star plus fastener.
Kind regards,
Olli
KnurledNut
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@Nobody-named-Olli
Thanks for the comparison and pics! Could be a thread of its own!
Thanks for the comparison and pics! Could be a thread of its own!
esben57
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I'll never be able to look at screws with such disdain again.
A while back I bought a couple Astro pneumatic rivnut kits. I could swear one of them did 3/8” x 16 inserts which until a couple days ago I hadn’t needed. Turns out it didn’t and I had an immediate need to do 20 this weekend. So I ordered their drill driven kit and as a backup the manual one too.
Good thing I did, the driven kit didn’t make it in time
This will probably collect dust before it gets scratched when it dies arrive.
Good thing I did, the driven kit didn’t make it in time
This will probably collect dust before it gets scratched when it dies arrive.
KnurledNut
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I ran into a similar situation some time ago where I needed a bunch of them immediately.
Having trouble sourcing them in a rural area, I decided to build a little kit that would be easy to store but still offer lots of potential next time it comes up. Wasn't cheap, but sometimes wasting time costs more.
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We burn thru a ton of 1/4" and 10/32" ones on projects. And I finally decided enough was enough of not knowing how stock was since I never bothered to build up a kit. It was always a "whats in the box!" deal. So along with this order I finally bought a master kit to go in with all my other collections of properly sorted hardware.
