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jalind

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So this is the new tool waiting at the shop from me. I am curious at how this will hold up to "real" ratchets. The "sockets" are bike tool specific. I have similar ones that I use an old craftsman ratchet with, but I had some extra cash and this looked ****. It typically isn't something I would talk about here, but the ratchet is a traditional tool so it fits. I am curious about how it will compare to some of my snap on, cman and other ratchets. It is taiwan made from what I can find, so should be of ok quality.


When it gets in I will take a picture of the guts and we can play "who makes this ratchet" as I doubt this smaller bike tool company came up with their own ratchet mechanism.

I will be very interested in your assessment of this ratchet set. The Gold Standard in bicycle tools is Park Tool. Another superb tool company is Pedro's. Their company almost went under in the early 2010's. They have since recovered with new owners (not the original company founders) and are also well respected for their quality. There are a couple other companies but this is the first I've heard of Birzman.

Do you use a torque wrench? If so, I'm curious about which ones.

John
 
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Few things that arrived yesterday. Gearwrench 1/4" drive extension set, SK DT 100 drop in kit for my 1/2" ratchet, SK long Pattern combo wrenches from 1/4" to 1" and Gedore external snap ring pliers0f98982d9d2397b13aa9306dd8ef02a4.jpg

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jalind

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A number of recent arrivals . . .

Another set of S-K 8" adjustable wrench and 6" pliers. I keep these sizes stashed in several places along with a few screwdrivers as they're the most commonly used sizes of them for various generic tasks inside the house.

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Retiring the very old set of orange handle Stanley screwdrivers that I should have replaced eons ago. Never have liked them very much and have typically grabbed an old USA made Craftsman driver if I had it in the size desired. The tips on the old Stanley left a lot to be desired as they're not hardened much. This S-K set is a quantum leap order of magnitude improvement. The old Stanley will go into a box for a while and whatever isn't pulled back out for some reason in a few months will be jettisoned into the rubbish bin.

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jalind

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This Lufkin folding engineer's rule also arrived. This side has major markings in tenths of a foot with minor markings in tenths of an inch, giving 1/100th foot measurement. Each foot is numbered in tenths from 1-10 with a smaller red number showing the incremental number of feet from the tip of the rule versus cumulative inches found on most other rules. The general application for these measurements is civil engineering but are sometimes used elsewhere.

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The other side is marked similarly in repeating inches from 1-12 with 1/16" fractions and a secondary red number indicating how many feet from the tip.

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Rather Old School, but these can be more convenient at times for measuring a few feet than a tape measure.

John
 

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I will be very interested in your assessment of this ratchet set. The Gold Standard in bicycle tools is Park Tool. Another superb tool company is Pedro's. Their company almost went under in the early 2010's. They have since recovered with new owners (not the original company founders) and are also well respected for their quality. There are a couple other companies but this is the first I've heard of Birzman.

Do you use a torque wrench? If so, I'm curious about which ones.

John

Ever hear of VAR tools? They're top quality cycle tools. https://www.vartools.com/en/
 

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This Lufkin folding engineer's rule also arrived. This side has major markings in tenths of a foot with minor markings in tenths of an inch, giving 1/100th foot measurement. Each foot is numbered in tenths from 1-10 with a smaller red number showing the incremental number of feet from the tip of the rule versus cumulative inches found on most other rules. The general application for these measurements is civil engineering but are sometimes used elsewhere.

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The other side is marked similarly in repeating inches from 1-12 with 1/16" fractions and a secondary red number indicating how many feet from the tip.

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Rather Old School, but these can be more convenient at times for measuring a few feet than a tape measure.

John



These are great for checking grade when laying out forms. And, for site work, working in tenths and hundredths is so much nicer than fractions of an inch.
 

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A couple of new arrivals,

New Williams long 3/8" ratchet from Amazon US, very nice quality if a little course, put it on a drill to break it in a bit and its nice and smooth now. Chrome is very nice;

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I just got one of those a few weeks ago. It was so stiff it was even hard to switch directions. I took it apart and cut about half of the spring off and now it's great. I think they might have used the wrong spring to assemble it.
Here is what I cut off it's a pretty stiff spring for its size.
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lincwelder225

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Here's some new additions.... channellock 414, channellock 410, and channellock 307. Also picked up knipex bolt cutters number 71 31 250
 

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A number of recent arrivals . . .

Another set of S-K 8" adjustable wrench and 6" pliers. I keep these sizes stashed in several places along with a few screwdrivers as they're the most commonly used sizes of them for various generic tasks inside the house.

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Retiring the very old set of orange handle Stanley screwdrivers that I should have replaced eons ago. Never have liked them very much and have typically grabbed an old USA made Craftsman driver if I had it in the size desired. The tips on the old Stanley left a lot to be desired as they're not hardened much. This S-K set is a quantum leap order of magnitude improvement. The old Stanley will go into a box for a while and whatever isn't pulled back out for some reason in a few months will be jettisoned into the rubbish bin.

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John
I recently ordered 2 sets of the SK screwdrivers, standard and extra long. To be honest, they're not as good as I expected. The quality is a far cry from my snap-on screwdrivers. Slotted drivers are not close dimensionally to the stated size. They'll probably be relegated to either my son's box.

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eBay: $11 nos NAPA USA 13/16 is older gen and 5/8 is last gen
Amazon: $8 Williams USA 1/2 to 3/8 impact reducer, $4 Makita magnetic bit holder
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redvalkyrie

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I tried a set of FD+ snap-on spanners recently, and while i still don't think they're worth full price for a set they were very good, couldn't help myself;

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10-19mm with no skips. Excellent grip on the open end.

Picked up a PCL blow gun for cheap, good for a spare, came with a free 1/4" fitting;

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I would totally buy that vise. Of course, I lean towards Toptul but I have two Wiltons and an Eron. The Eron is the beast but that Toptul might take the crown. If only they were available in the USA.

Working from home i've been feeling the lack of a decent vise recently, looking online the only ones i could find for decent money where cast-iron jobs from china or Taiwan, with a few brands i've never heard of. However with a kit of searching i came across this from Toptul;

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Seems very nice for the price (£230 delivered);

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Its not as refined as a few of the Toptul tools i've used, the paints a bit rough but the actual mechanism feels very solid and well built. I'd rather have steel than iron too. The swivel locks work very well. A bit early to say how it is to work with as i haven't had time to mount it to a workbench but im sure it'll be worth its money.

Also took the opportunity and ordered a 3/8" impact a few days ago, i like the trigger design and the fact there's no selector, i'm surprised by how compact it feels, even compared to my compact Milwaukee. Colour ain't bad either, just need to find a boot for it;

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I would buy that Toptul vise today. I have two Wilton's and an Eron. The Eron is the beast but that Toptul looks looks like it could take the crown. Too bad larger Toptul items are hard to come by in the USA.

BTW...anyone with a good size Eron vise hit me up.
 

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Picked up an Armstrong 10-903 from eBay. Just finished adding some super lube to it as the little fellar was bone dry. Barely makes an audible click now. 7564bcb39b464b7d2a243204533a3dbb.jpg

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Got this the other day from Sears, I had some reward monies to use.

This was $27 and change, out the door $12.47.

14 inch- USA made
 

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I recently ordered 2 sets of the SK screwdrivers, standard and extra long. To be honest, they're not as good as I expected. The quality is a far cry from my snap-on screwdrivers. Slotted drivers are not close dimensionally to the stated size. They'll probably be relegated to either my son's box.

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Agreed, They are decent drivers but could be better. I really like the older Facom/SK screwdrivers (coo France) that had the odd looking dual component grips. You just don't see many of them around, unfortunately.

I only have one but I like it a lot, by all accounts only being a 5/32 slotted screwdriver and how I have (ab)used it, it probably should have broken by now. But it just keeps on truckin'.
 

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A variety of stuff for work. Sourced from Amazon and eBay. c0ee5c023603323f393e8c3430f0b9cd.jpg

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lis2323

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Looks like a proto hex socket set... nice, i love mine.

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Yeah it's a solid set. Seems the be the go-to set in the industrial world.

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Yes, since they prefilled the compressor motor with oil, laying it on its side could cause oil to soak past the rings into the compression chamber, causing at best hydrolock and at worst scattering the compressor from trying to compress the oil, so it had to be transported standing up

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Good point, so I was able to get a year old IR 60 Gal one from work when one of the shops closed and I ended up transporting it on its side. However, it has been over a year standing upright in my garage waiting to get the time and the 220V run to it so would this be a long enough time for the oil to settle back down. Until I saw your post I had not given it much thought
Thanks!
 

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I will be very interested in your assessment of this ratchet set. The Gold Standard in bicycle tools is Park Tool. Another superb tool company is Pedro's. Their company almost went under in the early 2010's. They have since recovered with new owners (not the original company founders) and are also well respected for their quality. There are a couple other companies but this is the first I've heard of Birzman.

Do you use a torque wrench? If so, I'm curious about which ones.

John

The shop I work with has the Park wrenches, and they work well enough, though the click isn't as loud as I like. Recently though I reach for the park ATD 1.2 more and more. It hits the most common torque settings for things like the stem, seatpost, etc and you don't have to reset it to zero each time. Much more useful shape as well. For the big stuff I am either grabbing my snap on or even a HF torque wrench (the latter not for use on carbon).

Pedros comes up with some unique stuff for sure. Some of it I love, like the star nut setter and tire levers, but find some of their stuff like the vise whip a little less than appealing.

Sram actually makes my favorite cable cutters that I have used. The awl is handy to have on the tool, rather than grab a pointy spoke.


Ever hear of VAR tools? They're top quality cycle tools. https://www.vartools.com/en/

Var tools are some nice stuff, I like their Y wrench shape, haven't played with their P handles.
 

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So this isn’t a tool, but will be on my box.
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This one is tool related. Installed a power drawer in my locker.
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Picked up a sunex angled wrench set off of amazon. For $60 bucks Canadian to my door, I was not saying no.

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Picked up the matching SAE set to my metric set of zero degree off-set gear wrench’s today. Going through the past couple pages, I see gear wrench offers a more inclusive set with no skips, but I haven’t seen it available locally. I’m happy with these ones, and the smaller metric and standard sets cover each other’s skips, so I’ll be ok. The 13/16” is 16 1/2” long tip to tip. Makes for some good leverage!


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Right angle 14.4v drill finally came in!!

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Then I spotted this on the truck,

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I was given this for my promo collection, Not green, but it matches my Red snap on sonic toothbrush... :lol:

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This pair of mining wrenches arrived from north of the border today, made by Rastall in Canada, complete with built-in thumb detection and locating systems. One of them is for my brother. It was much cheaper to have them sent together to me, and then send one to my brother via USPS than to have them sent by Canada Post to two different addresses in the US.

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What makes them mining wrenches? More precisely, they're mining jack leg rock drill wrenches. A jack leg rock drill has a pneumatic leg that's planted into the bottom (floor) or rib (wall) of a drift or crosscut (tunnel) to drill into the face (end of a drift or crosscut) or into the rib or back (ceiling). The pneumatic leg is attached to the impact drill and drives the drill bit into the rock. Watching a good driller drifting (generally horizontal drilling) or stoping (drilling vertically) is like watching a ballet.

The hole in the handle is a 7/8" 12-point, the most common size of faceted drill bit and the most common size of fastener used on jack leg rock drill couplings, which have both pneumatic and water lines running to the drill. The jaws open wider than a normal 12" to the width of a standard 15" making this lighter on the mining belt. An adjustable wrench should never be used as a hammer, unless one is desperate to detect and locate where their thumb is, having misplaced it while working. This has said device on the opposite side of the fixed jaw. That portion of the head is hardened specifically for use as a hammer, allowing it to be used quite vigorously without damaging the wrench. Partway down the handle on both sides is a 6-inch mark with an arrow. That is the minimum "bootleg" distance for drilling another borehole from a failed one, either from drill (bit) failure, or from charge failure when the explosive charges were fired. The primary use of "bootleg" is a borehole with a failed charge that didn't fire or did not fire completely and is still intact. One must deal with charges that haven't fired and the procedures are something the powder monkeys know how to do. There's an entire heuristic "science" to blasting in underground mining. The charges are timed in rapid sequence to leave nothing more than a pile of muck (rock rubble) to be removed with an underground loader, with minimum dust and zero debris flying around. What you see in the movies is pure fiction.

One of the principals in the Rastall company observed how adjustable wrenches were being used in drift and stope drilling in underground hard rock (mineral) mines in Canada and created the design. Having done underground hard rock copper mining in central Arizona during the misspent halcyon days of my youth, I knew exactly what this wrench was and how it would be used in mining. I was not a driller, but was around them enough to know how it's done.

Amazon sells a couple different mining wrenches like these, which obviously copied the Rastall design, but they're not nearly the quality of Rastall, which is considered the definitive maker of these wrenches. They're excellent quality forgings with very good finishing and assembly, and are popular among the Canadian miners. I wish these were around when I was doing hard rock mining decades ago. Most of us carried 12" or 15" adjustable wrenches.

John
 
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Project_shadow

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Good point, so I was able to get a year old IR 60 Gal one from work when one of the shops closed and I ended up transporting it on its side. However, it has been over a year standing upright in my garage waiting to get the time and the 220V run to it so would this be a long enough time for the oil to settle back down. Until I saw your post I had not given it much thought
Thanks!
Might still pull the fittings from the head and turn it over by hand and see if any oil comes out, I did with mine even though I didn't have it tipped, but it came from factory prefilled, so It may have tipped on the truck or wherever before I got it, but that's just me lol

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A set of SAE and metric hex keys arrived from Sears Thursday. This is the picture of them on the Sears web site:

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Note the "Made in USA" imprinted on them. When they arrived, this is what they really looked like:

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Note carefully that the "Made in USA" is missing. On the back of the package: "Made in China". From what I could feel from the bottom fourth of the long ends sticking out from the bottom of the packaging, they're made from relatively soft Chinesium and the finish is rough, very rough, like sandpaper. I've got a set of Craftsman short arm from the 1980's that were made in the USA. The difference is night and day and the 1980's set is much harder steel. I did a bit of "bend" comparison between the common sizes. No way was I even going to contemplate using these long arm ball end. They'd bend with any amount of torque and round off in hardened fasteners in a heartbeat.

Went back yesterday morning by UPS with prepaid label from Sears. Return reason: "9 Not as Described".

Ordered the same type of long arm with ball end Bondhus in SAE and metric Thursday night. Should have them late this afternoon.

John
 

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That's a damn shifty maneuver by Sears/Craftsman that leaves a bitter taste in ones mouth. I like my Taiwan tools and have no problem with some China stuff but its the deception that gets you going. They bait you with the USA then try cramming China down ya throat.
 

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Yeah it's a solid set. Seems the be the go-to set in the industrial world.

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Couple guys have them at work including myself, one guy has had his set for 10 plus years and has only replaced one bit.
 

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This pair of mining wrenches arrived from north of the border today, made by Rastall in Canada, complete with built-in thumb detection and locating systems. One of them is for my brother. It was much cheaper to have them sent together to me, and then send one to my brother via USPS than to have them sent by Canada Post to two different addresses in the US.

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What makes them mining wrenches? More precisely, they're mining jack leg rock drill wrenches. A jack leg rock drill has a pneumatic leg that's planted into the bottom (floor) or rib (wall) of a drift or crosscut (tunnel) to drill into the face (end of a drift or crosscut) or into the rib or back (ceiling). The pneumatic leg is attached to the impact drill and drives the drill bit into the rock. Watching a good driller drifting (generally horizontal drilling) or stoping (drilling vertically) is like watching a ballet.

The hole in the handle is a 7/8" 12-point, the most common size of faceted drill bit and the most common size of fastener used on jack leg rock drill couplings, which have both pneumatic and water lines running to the drill. The jaws open wider than a normal 12" to the width of a standard 15" making this lighter on the mining belt. An adjustable wrench should never be used as a hammer, unless one is desperate to detect and locate where their thumb is, having misplaced it while working. This has said device on the opposite side of the fixed jaw. That portion of the head is hardened specifically for use as a hammer, allowing it to be used quite vigorously without damaging the wrench. Partway down the handle on both sides is a 6-inch mark with an arrow. That is the minimum "bootleg" distance for drilling another borehole from a failed one, either from drill (bit) failure, or from charge failure when the explosive charges were fired. The primary use of "bootleg" is a borehole with a failed charge that didn't fire or did not fire completely and is still intact. One must deal with charges that haven't fired and the procedures are something the powder monkeys know how to do. There's an entire heuristic "science" to blasting in underground mining. The charges are timed in rapid sequence to leave nothing more than a pile of muck (rock rubble) to be removed with an underground loader, with minimum dust and zero debris flying around. What you see in the movies is pure fiction.

One of the principals in the Rastall company observed how adjustable wrenches were being used in drift and stope drilling in underground hard rock (mineral) mines in Canada and created the design. Having done underground hard rock copper mining in central Arizona during the misspent halcyon days of my youth, I knew exactly what this wrench was and how it would be used in mining. I was not a driller, but was around them enough to know how it's done.

Amazon sells a couple different mining wrenches like these, which obviously copied the Rastall design, but they're not nearly the quality of Rastall, which is considered the definitive maker of these wrenches. They're excellent quality forgings with very good finishing and assembly, and are popular among the Canadian miners. I wish these were around when I was doing hard rock mining decades ago. Most of us carried 12" or 15" adjustable wrenches.

John

A very interesting and informative post. I have no intention of ever even entering a mine but that was fascinating stuff.

However I've read it a couple of times and I don't understand the use of the word "thumb"--unless it was a bit of humor?

Maybe I'm slow this AM.
 
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