SK 45170 What do I have?
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I picked up a 42470 last summer at a neighbors estate sale. Never would have guessed it was that old. It was in a box of misc tools marked at .25 each. I grabbed it and several of the other quality USA sockets, pliers, & wrenches, plus a 24 foot fiberglass ladder ($10), a steel upright cabinet ($5), a small 5" USA bench grinder ($3), and a small USA vise ($2). I even left some deals for the next guy.
I've always preferred the feel of pear head ratchets (mostly for the fact that you can change directions with one hand), but I've got to admit, that S-K has a smoother action than my SO SL710, and my raised panel C-man can't even compare to it. It would be interesting to know it's exact age.
I've always preferred the feel of pear head ratchets (mostly for the fact that you can change directions with one hand), but I've got to admit, that S-K has a smoother action than my SO SL710, and my raised panel C-man can't even compare to it. It would be interesting to know it's exact age.
kc-steve
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I'm not sure if you are talking about the Snap-On or the Craftsman. I think many here on GJ can help you with the Snap-on ratchet's age.
If you are referring to the Craftsman, check this link out:
http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84807
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I guess I was referring to the SK, but I have some curiosity on the age of the SO too. According to the link above, the C-man is about 10 years old.
I finally completed my collection of the three main drive sizes of SK ratchets with the diamond logo. The 1/4" drive ratchet is very small! It is the smallest 1/4" ratchet I own. The 45170 in the back is a newer ratchet, not sure exactly which era it's from but I would guess Dresser or newer.
chopper1
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The 1/4" SK Wayne I have is 4-3/8" long tip to tip.
plinker
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Acording to alloy artifacts (from what I remember) 50 teeth.
They are very comparable to the 60 tooth Danaher ratchets, in feel.
SantaAna12
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School is in session! Thanks! Mine is a puppy: 5 years old (dog years).
Chadwilliam1
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just bought one of these off eBay. will post pics when it arrives.
Chadwilliam1
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got this for $10.75 on eBay, took it apart and cleaned all the grease out and put super lube in.
rick carpenter
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Where are y'all getting the rebuild kits? From this thread, it appears mine is a 60s era S-K Wayne 45170, and that most feel like they are worth rebuilding. I guess I'm missing a spring(?) that goes between the pawl assembly (in the glove fingers) and the internal selector (right of the pawl), as it won't catch and ratchet. Probably these terms are not correct.
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AA believes it to be from 1934-1939, but I think it would have to fall from the later 1930s to 1941 or possibly even later.
Here's the reason: this is my 45170:
This style is obviously earlier than than rebelram's, but the patent number is the same. If AA is correct in the 1934-1939 range, when was this earlier style made?! It can't have been before 1934 - as that is when the patent was issued - and one wouldn't think they would have been made simultaneously with the same model number.
I think mine dates 1934-1938, and the OP's from 1939-1941 or later. One might reasonably assume that once the "new" patent - 2232477 - was issued, that any subsequent 45170's would bear this number, but WWII may have played a part. I say this because the OP's ratchet appears in the photo to be cadmium-plated (although it may be worn chrome). If so, it might suggest wartime production due to chromium shortages.
I just picked up a bunch of craftsman at a yard sale. Sort of a mish mash with other tools. I found one of these buried in the mish mash. Curious where to find info about it.
Also tok some broken cmans back and got new. Not sure what to do with them as my 1980 vintage cman stuff is just a bunch nicer.
Any thoughts on the SK are appreciated!
davethorik
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I just picked up an S-K Dresser set #4224 that looks 99% unused. It is a 1/4 and 3/8 combo set, but I am not sure if it is complete. It has 20 sockets in 1/4 and 3/8, 15 short from 3/16 on up to 7/8 (larger are 12 pt), deepwell 7/16 1/2 and 9/16, and two spark plug sockets 3/4 and 13/16. a 45170 3/8 ratchet with patent #2232477. a 3/8 female to 1/4 male adapter, a 3/8 6" extension, and a screwdriver handle that takes 1/4 inch sockets. looks mostly unused in original green crinkle paint marked made in chicago illinois metal case with plastic liner tray.
of neat interest it has the original cardboard box as well and it says dresser industries and s-k tools on it. says its a 24 pc set. there appears to be a date of 8-74 on the box and this box looks correct for that period from what i've seen so far. i have searched for the #4224 on the box and not gotten many results. do i have all the original pieces or is it missing some? I feel the spark plug sockets do not belong, because they are knurled and the rest are not, also the case won't close with them inside they must be carried separately. am I missing pieces?
i think this will be a great addition to my box at work, i am a machinist and sometimes i make setups that require a 7/8 socket on an extension and a ratchet because a crescent wrench won't get to the nut i need to get to. it won't get hard use. i already have an international harvester 3/8 drive 7/8 deep well socket at work this will go with nicely. i will try to get pics soon.
of neat interest it has the original cardboard box as well and it says dresser industries and s-k tools on it. says its a 24 pc set. there appears to be a date of 8-74 on the box and this box looks correct for that period from what i've seen so far. i have searched for the #4224 on the box and not gotten many results. do i have all the original pieces or is it missing some? I feel the spark plug sockets do not belong, because they are knurled and the rest are not, also the case won't close with them inside they must be carried separately. am I missing pieces?
i think this will be a great addition to my box at work, i am a machinist and sometimes i make setups that require a 7/8 socket on an extension and a ratchet because a crescent wrench won't get to the nut i need to get to. it won't get hard use. i already have an international harvester 3/8 drive 7/8 deep well socket at work this will go with nicely. i will try to get pics soon.
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Yes, there's a little spring and rounded hard steel pin which activates the pawl and provides the ratcheting action. I've made these parts before when in a tough spot, but, the modern S-K rebuild kit should fit no problem.
A word of advice, though. Don't tell them it's a WAYNE tool. My local S-K dealer would warranty any S-K tool except if it said WAYNE on it. Some long-term dispute thing. So, I brought in a non-wayne S-K ratchet, got the kit, then switched it out at home.
mudflap
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I read all of this old thread..and maybe it's late..and im tired..but didnt see where the OP got an answer.. I'm curious too, as i have a few SK ratchets with the Diamond logo on them. I guess it was before the SK-Wayne era..but anybody know what years the Diamond logo was used..?
I'll make a statement that might start a war. S&K made the best ratchets ever made by a usability standpoint. Absolutely slick and virtually unbreakable.Wright was right(accidental pun) in there too.
The 800-900 series Snapon was garbage in comparison.
The 800-900 series Snapon was garbage in comparison.
d42jeep
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I suggest that you check this thread in the vintage tool discussion.
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=278177
There is a lot of dating information to be found there. Here is a picture of my best dark finish S-K wartime 1/4” drive set along with other wartime sets made during the metal restrictions. Nothing could be chrome plated. They resumed chrome plating after the war.
-Don
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mudflap
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Yea...i bounced around in that thread for a while before asking here...It's 43 pages.. Was just hoping somebody would know..?
I picked up a green SK box with the 45170 ratchet(pat 2232477, 86.) set this summer at a local Sale for $10. I inherited an SK molded case with the 45170 ratchet(USA stamped, no patent, LU) set with my house. The two ratchets are from different times but maybe not the sockets so much. I am working on tracking down the age/times too. I've read the forum and know the patent on the ratchet in the green metal box is 1941.
Some dates that would help in dating:
Patent 1981526: issued Nov 20 1934
Patent 2232477: issued Feb 18 1941
Ratchets with patent 1981526 date: 1934-1939
Ratchets with patent 2232477 date: 1940-???
WWII years: 1939-1945
When did Chrome Plating start?
What years were the green Metal Boxes used? 1940-???
What years was Wayne used? ~1962-1969
What years was the <> Diamond used? Are all <> SK tools older than the "Wayne" SK tools?
When did SK not include USA on the ratchets? It is suggested only when there wasn't room, like when patent information was used.
I'll dig around more too and update this with the answers as I find them. Please let me know if you know them
Interesting my Green Box is different than all of d42jeeps.
Some dates that would help in dating:
Patent 1981526: issued Nov 20 1934
Patent 2232477: issued Feb 18 1941
Ratchets with patent 1981526 date: 1934-1939
Ratchets with patent 2232477 date: 1940-???
WWII years: 1939-1945
When did Chrome Plating start?
What years were the green Metal Boxes used? 1940-???
What years was Wayne used? ~1962-1969
What years was the <> Diamond used? Are all <> SK tools older than the "Wayne" SK tools?
When did SK not include USA on the ratchets? It is suggested only when there wasn't room, like when patent information was used.
I'll dig around more too and update this with the answers as I find them. Please let me know if you know them
Interesting my Green Box is different than all of d42jeeps.
