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This has been posted about before, at least as far back as 2012.
But sadly, I didn't do a search before ordering these for Christmas.
Maybe chrome or not inside doesn't make any difference... but the randomness of this doesn't give me confidence the tolerances will be right or the heat treatment, etc.
I'll also note the flashing inside by the square socket receptacle was also ugly on some of the sockets.
I sent them back to tooltopia.
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If you are talking about the "silvery" looking interior on three of them, that is the "paint" or "anti-corrosion coating" that they are using. The "flaking" was also probably the coating. It's been discussed to death here. Why it is not applied to all, IDK. :dunno:

But they were probably perfectly fine.

From the photos, the exterior of each looks good also - shiny chrome with good stamping and markings.

I would have kept and used them. If they split, cracked or didn't fit the fastener, then that would be a different story.

To each their own.
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Did you recently purchase them at Tooltopia? If so, you should have gotten a set with all sockets that are protective coated on the inside. What S-K set did you buy?

If it is not a common/popular set then it might be possible you have gotten a set that sat for a few years when they changed their manufacturing processes at that time.
 

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They look really nice to me, idk. Guess I gotta look at the inside of my sockets cause I never have.

Before I joined this site, the only time I even glanced inside was to wipe grease or dirt out of them. I really don't know what all the hoopla is all about. For me, as long as they fit well and remove the fasteners, what the inside looks like doesn't matter (outside of rust which drives me crazy for some reason).

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To answer the questions:
I bought them at tooltopia. Part number SK 3919

For me, it is about value for my money. I paid more hoping for better quality than my craftsman and husky tools. And so, of course I looked at them expecting to see they were "better".

As I said before: "Maybe chrome or not inside doesn't make any difference... but the randomness of this doesn't give me confidence the tolerances will be right or the heat treatment, etc. I'll also note the flashing inside by the square socket receptacle was also ugly on some of the sockets. "

If I didn't care about the quality, I would have paid less than half of what I did and bought craftsman or husky. My money, my choice.
 
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To answer the questions:
I bought them at tooltopia. Part number SK 3919

For me, it is about value for my money. I paid more hoping for better quality than my craftsman and husky tools. And so, of course I looked at them expecting to see they were "better".

As I said before: "Maybe chrome or not inside doesn't make any difference... but the randomness of this doesn't give me confidence the tolerances will be right or the heat treatment, etc. I'll also note the flashing inside by the square socket receptacle was also ugly on some of the sockets. "

If I didn't care about the quality, I would have paid half less than half of what I did and bought craftsman or husky. My money, my choice.

Why are you concluding that the inconsistent coating inside of the socket correlates to the metallurgy, strength, tolerance, heat treating of the socket??

Those are totally separate process steps.
 

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S-K 3919 set

Looking at the above set, I would have to think it probably is not the most popular 3/8 drive set, at least in comparison to S-K 94547 set. You bought a nice, complete 6mm to 24mm set while most of us probably buy 10m to 19mm sets. So I would think there is a good chance you bought a set that sat on the shelf for a year or two which is probably around the same time they changed the manufacturing processes.

Another thing, interestingly, you could see in the photo that the 20mm to 24mm sockets appear to have protective coating on the inside while the rest doesn't have it. Of course, that photo is a bit outdated as all sockets should be coated by now.
 
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They all have chrome on the inside. The matte grey ones have an anti corrosion paint on it. The paint comes off after a few uses (it is only meant for storage, not for protection in use- that is what the chrome is for!). The reason only certain sockets have it on the inside is because it was a new addition to their manufacturing process in 2012 or so I believe. SK started producing sockets under Ideal Industries in 2010 without the anti corrosion paint (they all ARE CHROMED on the inside, regardless of the corrosion paint), and added the paint later.

So why are the socket sets mixed with painted and unpainted sockets if they switched from no paint to painting all of them? Well, you need to understand their manufacturing process.

Tool makers don't make a socket set at a time. They don't have 19 machines that pump out one socket size each to make a 19 piece socket set. Instead, they have, let's say 3 machines for 1/2 drive sockets (they probably have more, but sticking to 3 for simplicity sake). The first machine is set to make 8MM, the second 9MM, and the third 10MM. They produce 1,000 of each socket (again, random number chosen, they probably produce more 8MM and 10MM sockets than 9MM, because 8MM and 10MM are used more often in sets and bought more in open stock). After a 1,000 of each of the 8MM, 9MM, and 10MM are produced, the machines are switched to do 11MM, 12MM, and 13MM.

Therefore, a set of sockets that you buy can contain sockets that were made months apart, and sometimes even years (depending on how much inventory and sales of that company). The manufacturer will have these sockets in giant bins where they are pulled and either put into sets, or packaged individually for open stock sales.

When the anti-corrosion paint was added to the manufacturing process, SK obviously had stock left over from the first two or so years of production (which they weren't just going to throw out- rightfully so as the paint adds no practical value to the socket when they are being used, only if they get stored in a damp warehouse for a decade or two before they get shipped out to a customer). So whenever they made a new batch of sockets, they had the paint, whereas the old batches from 2010-2012ish didn't. When pulling sockets for a set, they pulled from both the older manufactured sockets and the more recently manufactured painted sockets, hence why they are mixed.

As time has gone on, and depending on who you buy from (as some retailers sell SK at a slower rate and thus have older sets), a greater percentage of the socket sets have come painted. Back when I first started purchasing Ideal made SK tools, anywhere from 25% to 50% of the sockets were painted. With my most recent purchase from HJE on SK Day, all but two or three sockets (out of 70 that I bought) were painted. Give it a few years, and buying from retailers that move SK faster than others, the sets will be completely painted.

Note, I am NOT saying that the unpainted sockets are Pre-Ideal SK old stock. They are from Ideal, but they simply made a slight addition (painting) to their manufacturing process a few year later. Since we normally refer to sockets not produced under Ideal SK as old stock, and those under Ideal SK as new stock, it might help to think of the unpainted sockets as Old New Stock, and the painted ones as New New Stock :p.

Once you understand the reasons behind the paint, it makes more sense. There isn't an actual issue with the sockets. If the paint bothers you that much, it does come off with paint thinner.

Other companies that have started using the anti corrosion painting have a similar phenomenon with their sockets where the sets are mixed. USA Craftsman, Armstrong, and a few others use this paint, and have mixed sets of painted/unpainted.

EDIT: I should just save a link to this post each time this question comes up... It happens about once a month...
 
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from the title i figured "probably another painted socket thread" and i was not disappointed
 
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Why are you concluding that the inconsistent coating inside of the socket correlates to the metallurgy, strength, tolerance, heat treating of the socket?? .

I didn't conclude anything. I said it didn't give me "confidence" in the other production qualities.

Loscaldazar's explanation is sound. It does't explain the ugly "flashing" inside, (sorry no photo).

Interesting, all the "I would have kept them" comments. I assume you guys have reason to be confident in the product regardless of inconsistencies in finish, or you just don't mind paying more for whatever reason. That's all up to you!

To me, they just didn't appear to be the premium product I hoped to be paying for. As I said, my money, my choice. My post is only meant to let people know this is how mine looked, in case someone else cares. They might not. ;-)
 

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What you said about the randomness makes perfect sense to me. This question has be asked plenty, and that doesn't make a bit of difference.
It's your purchase, and others lining up to tell you to ignore it doesn't mean squat.
Do whats right for you.

FWIW.....SK sending out sockets that have paint on some and not on others? Tell me another socket company (and I have plenty....and NO they do not have this "paint" on them) that does this?
Just raise the expectation SK. Just do it already.
 

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I guess maybe it's just me but I don't care if the insides of my sockets are chromed or not since they'll get all greased up. My brand new Snap On metric deep socket set is only a month old and all from 19mm to 8mm have grease in them. I wipe my tools and sockets as best I could after I'm done using them.
 

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I guess maybe it's just me but I don't care if the insides of my sockets are chromed or not since they'll get all greased up.

As noted, they are all plated inside. Some have an anti-rust paint added, while some others don't.

FWIW.....SK sending out sockets that have paint on some and not on others? Tell me another socket company (and I have plenty....and NO they do not have this "paint" on them) that does this?

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As noted, they are all plated inside. Some have an anti-rust paint added, while some others don't.



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Hah! Well you got me there. I have Armstrong ratchets but no sockets. On all I hope? (you dont have to answer that.)
 
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Before I joined this site, the only time I even glanced inside was to wipe grease or dirt out of them. I really don't know what all the hoopla is all about. For me, as long as they fit well and remove the fasteners, what the inside looks like doesn't matter (outside of rust which drives me crazy for some reason).

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This place and what some people will complain about never ceases to amaze me
 

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I didn't conclude anything. I said it didn't give me "confidence" in the other production qualities.

Loscaldazar's explanation is sound. It does't explain the ugly "flashing" inside, (sorry no photo).

Interesting, all the "I would have kept them" comments. I assume you guys have reason to be confident in the product regardless of inconsistencies in finish, or you just don't mind paying more for whatever reason. That's all up to you!

To me, they just didn't appear to be the premium product I hoped to be paying for. As I said, my money, my choice. My post is only meant to let people know this is how mine looked, in case someone else cares. They might not. ;-)



Your post is the song that never ends and we Feel like adults in a car full of 8 year olds.
 

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I'm always amazed by all the people on here complaining about the finish inside of sockets. It's the part that does all the work.
I would love to read a thread from on of these people that actually used one on a dirty, greasy, grime covered bolt or nut then looked inside!
 

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If you want sockets that are shiny inside and out across all sizes, buy Gearwrench or Carlyle. However, there's nothing wrong with the SK sockets you got and returned. You just needed to get them dirty on the inside through hard use.:D
 

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Nothing like setting your aesthetically "defective" sockets on a beautiful background before photographing to get your point across on a TOOL forum!....:rocker::bowdown::spit:
 
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My last comment on this topic.
It does seem by some of the responses that they haven't read the original post.
I acknowledged right up front: Maybe chrome or not inside doesn't make any difference... but the randomness of this doesn't give me confidence the tolerances will be right or the heat treatment, etc.

The most important part of the tool is the inside of the of the socket and the mating faces that touch the bolt or nut. That's why I bought a 6 point set. I looked inside to see those surfaces, and I wasn't impressed. I would have sent them back just over the ugly flashing inside around the square receptacle. I wasn't happy for what I paid. I prefer my old craftsman pieces.

Hey, If you don't care what your sockets look like inside, that's fine.
And if you think it's silly that I didn't like the sockets, that's fine too.
But it does seem other people have complained about this. So I suspect others might want to know.
Have a great evening! ;-)
 
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If you want sockets that are shiny inside and out across all sizes, buy Gearwrench or Carlyle. However, there's nothing wrong with the SK sockets you got and returned. You just needed to get them dirty on the inside through hard use.:D

i think gearwrench is in the process or already swapped over to painting the inside of the sockets. i bought 2 sets on christmas day and a couple of the sockets are painted in both sets
 

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It's a surface-applied coating. It has nothing to do with tolerances, heat treat, etc.

It's okay that you went a little overboard on your first tools purchase return. I was happy to get an SK 3/8 set 19 years ago because Dad used SK and never considered all that you did. Now I better know the history of the company and am happy to own their product.

Years later, I have a friend who is educated and experienced with heat treat and metallurgy practices. So I don't use those topics in vain. If I did, he'll call me on it quick and probably take something in for testing or send me a fairly high level on materials processing the next day in email. LOL

Happy shopping & polishing. :beer:
 

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Getting worked up over the coating inside those sockets is like getting upset the shrink wrap isn't flawless. That coating comes off after using the sockets and its chrome underneath.
 

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The tool polishers and art admirers on this site never cease to amaze me. Here's a picture of my sockets, interior finish is all over the place, no consistency at all, but have survived a hard life since 1968. The quality of the socket is what matters, not how the inside is painted or not painted. That is, if you want them to use and not for a piece of artwork. These are tools to work with, not art for internet bragging rights! Go out in your garage, see how they fit, see how they work, and forget about how they are painted and waxed.


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I don't think anyone would argue about the quality of these sockets, regardless of the interior finish. The 6 point are Snap-on, the 12 point are Proto. Both late 1960's vintage. They didn't polish or paint them nicely back then either.
 

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I have never thought to look at the inside of my sockets to see if they were chromed inside. Some of my sockets are not even chromed on the out side. 😀😂😀
 

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My last comment on this topic.
It does seem by some of the responses that they haven't read the original post.
I acknowledged right up front: Maybe chrome or not inside doesn't make any difference... but the randomness of this doesn't give me confidence the tolerances will be right or the heat treatment, etc.

The most important part of the tool is the inside of the of the socket and the mating faces that touch the bolt or nut. That's why I bought a 6 point set. I looked inside to see those surfaces, and I wasn't impressed. I would have sent them back just over the ugly flashing inside around the square receptacle. I wasn't happy for what I paid. I prefer my old craftsman pieces.

Hey, If you don't care what your sockets look like inside, that's fine.
And if you think it's silly that I didn't like the sockets, that's fine too.
But it does seem other people have complained about this. So I suspect others might want to know.
Have a great evening! ;-)

i hope so:)
 

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Just checked my SK sockets...non have chrome on the inside. Checked my Snap On and Craftsman too....No chrome....My Gearwrench sockets are chromed inside. Never notice it before. I need a set of Metric 1/2" drive deep sockets. I'm going to get a SK set. I'm interested now to see if they will be chrome on the inside....
 

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It wouldn't really be an issue if there were some consistency. Painted or chromed, either would be fine, as long as it were the same throughout. The fact that they aren't, raises other questions about what else could have been missed/skipped in the process.

I love all the SK apologizers who come out of the woodwork to defend what's clearly a mis-step in their process (unless you all believe it was intentional and the socket line supervisor said, go ahead, paint the ones you want to for shits and giggles :eyecrazy:).
 
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I recently bought their 47pc 1/2"dr, 49pc 3/8"dr, and 60pc 1/4"dr sets and there were about 5 sockets total that were not painted and were shiny on the inside. All of them were in the 1/4" drive set and it doesn't really bother me. There were however two problems that did bother me. The first being that in the 3/8" drive set the 17mm deep socket was missing and there were two deep 18mm sockets. The second this is that in the 1/4" drive set the chrome was chipping off right out of the box on the shallow 5.5mm socket. However when I contacted SK about this they quickly sent out replacements for both sockets. I was very satisfied with the it and finish of all the other sockets and overall am very happy with my purchase.
 

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They all have chrome on the inside. The matte grey ones have an anti corrosion paint on it. The paint comes off after a few uses (it is only meant for storage, not for protection in use- that is what the chrome is for!). The reason only certain sockets have it on the inside is because it was a new addition to their manufacturing process in 2012 or so I believe. SK started producing sockets under Ideal Industries in 2010 without the anti corrosion paint (they all ARE CHROMED on the inside, regardless of the corrosion paint), and added the paint later.

So why are the socket sets mixed with painted and unpainted sockets if they switched from no paint to painting all of them? Well, you need to understand their manufacturing process.

Tool makers don't make a socket set at a time. They don't have 19 machines that pump out one socket size each to make a 19 piece socket set. Instead, they have, let's say 3 machines for 1/2 drive sockets (they probably have more, but sticking to 3 for simplicity sake). The first machine is set to make 8MM, the second 9MM, and the third 10MM. They produce 1,000 of each socket (again, random number chosen, they probably produce more 8MM and 10MM sockets than 9MM, because 8MM and 10MM are used more often in sets and bought more in open stock). After a 1,000 of each of the 8MM, 9MM, and 10MM are produced, the machines are switched to do 11MM, 12MM, and 13MM.

Therefore, a set of sockets that you buy can contain sockets that were made months apart, and sometimes even years (depending on how much inventory and sales of that company). The manufacturer will have these sockets in giant bins where they are pulled and either put into sets, or packaged individually for open stock sales.

When the anti-corrosion paint was added to the manufacturing process, SK obviously had stock left over from the first two or so years of production (which they weren't just going to throw out- rightfully so as the paint adds no practical value to the socket when they are being used, only if they get stored in a damp warehouse for a decade or two before they get shipped out to a customer). So whenever they made a new batch of sockets, they had the paint, whereas the old batches from 2010-2012ish didn't. When pulling sockets for a set, they pulled from both the older manufactured sockets and the more recently manufactured painted sockets, hence why they are mixed.

As time has gone on, and depending on who you buy from (as some retailers sell SK at a slower rate and thus have older sets), a greater percentage of the socket sets have come painted. Back when I first started purchasing Ideal made SK tools, anywhere from 25% to 50% of the sockets were painted. With my most recent purchase from HJE on SK Day, all but two or three sockets (out of 70 that I bought) were painted. Give it a few years, and buying from retailers that move SK faster than others, the sets will be completely painted.

Note, I am NOT saying that the unpainted sockets are Pre-Ideal SK old stock. They are from Ideal, but they simply made a slight addition (painting) to their manufacturing process a few year later. Since we normally refer to sockets not produced under Ideal SK as old stock, and those under Ideal SK as new stock, it might help to think of the unpainted sockets as Old New Stock, and the painted ones as New New Stock :p.

Once you understand the reasons behind the paint, it makes more sense. There isn't an actual issue with the sockets. If the paint bothers you that much, it does come off with paint thinner.

Other companies that have started using the anti corrosion painting have a similar phenomenon with their sockets where the sets are mixed. USA Craftsman, Armstrong, and a few others use this paint, and have mixed sets of painted/unpainted.

EDIT: I should just save a link to this post each time this question comes up... It happens about once a month...

It wouldn't really be an issue if there were some consistency. Painted or chromed, either would be fine, as long as it were the same throughout. The fact that they aren't, raises other questions about what else could have been missed/skipped in the process.

I love all the SK apologizers who come out of the woodwork to defend what's clearly a mis-step in their process (unless you all believe it was intentional and the socket line supervisor said, go ahead, paint the ones you want to for shits and giggles :eyecrazy:).

I guess you only like to read the short answers. :eyecrazy:

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It wouldn't really be an issue if there were some consistency. Painted or chromed, either would be fine, as long as it were the same throughout. The fact that they aren't, raises other questions about what else could have been missed/skipped in the process.

I love all the SK apologizers who come out of the woodwork to defend what's clearly a mis-step in their process (unless you all believe it was intentional and the socket line supervisor said, go ahead, paint the ones you want to for shits and giggles :eyecrazy:).

Lol. Are you trying to be this ignorant, or have you missed the last dozen explanations on this topic in various threads?


Or, the more likely option, you came in, read the first post, ignored the rest of the discussion, posted an inciting reply, and left.


I guess you only like to read the short answers. :eyecrazy:

:beer:

I've been in this rodeo with a few members here who refuse to understand that underlying reasons behind why some are painted and others aren't.
 

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EDIT: I should just save a link to this post each time this question comes up... It happens about once a month...
I'm going to do the same. This comes up over and over, and you laid it out perfectly. No reason to write it all out again. :beer:
 

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a bit ocd?

Agree.. Why care about the contact areas? Any coating or plating is going to wear away with use. I'd actually prefer not to have chrome plating on the inside due to risks associated with FOD and flakes cutting your hands.

Is the concern regarding corrosion? Just spray them down with an anit-corrosion inhibitor, if you're a mechanic, the oil from working on dirty engines does a fine job also.:lol_hitti
 
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