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I did do some searching here, if there is much talk, could not find much. :dunno:

Seeing sub-$200 small diesel heaters advertised, wondering how they perform and what amount of fuel, they consume. Three car garage. I do have a 20K btu salamander, but it's pretty noisy and non-vented (kero not cheap). Also have a 240V forced air electric, not permanently installed.

Looking for something to run longer periods with maybe remote start. Our home heats with fuel oil, so I could use some of that.

Any users? Thanks
 
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Diesel fuel has 137,000 - 139000 btus a gallon 80% efficiency 109,000- 111,200
20,000 heater 5 hours run time a gallon. Don't have any idea how they controlled. But Alexa relay or power plug might work.
 
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Work fine but you'd need a couple. They are only around 10-12k BTU.
The little plug in 120v heaters are around 5k BTU to compare
 

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Diesel fuel has 137,000 - 139000 btus a gallon 80% efficiency 109,000- 111,200
20,000 heater 5 hours run time a gallon. Don't have any idea how they controlled. But Alexa relay or power plug might work.
Reasonable math, but an external relay is a dangerous suggestion. You absolutely MUST NOT disconnect power from these while they're running, or they will burn up. They're designed to work off of a battery, and assume power is always available. They NEED the blower to be working to cool down safely.

There are good remote control systems for these that tie into the burner controls if you're up for that sort of wiring.

Also, they call for a surprisingly large 12V power supply to run the glow plug for startup, though the running power requirements are lower.

Work fine but you'd need a couple. They are only around 10-12k BTU.
The little plug in 120v heaters are around 5k BTU to compare
From the comparisons I've found online, figure on 8k BTU kW heat output at around 80% efficiency. Many have made claims of >10k in years past, and they're all just inflated BS (and based on the fuel input). My assumption is the 20k claims are more of the the same BS (see Chinese LED bulbs and batteries).

edit: Oops! My brain was remembering BTU, when these are rated in kW output. Look to WildBill's excellent post below this for real world power expectations.

... I do have a 20K btu salamander, but it's pretty noisy and non-vented (kero not cheap)...
Kerosene at 100% efficiency (since it's unvented) vs diesel at 80% efficiency. There's no real savings to be had, assuming you can find kerosene at the pump. I've actually run my diesel heater off of kerosene in the past.

edit: to be fair, I haven't run my salamander since I've gotten vented kerosene heat. I just don't care for the smell. Especially during startup and shutdown. I also have a small radiant kerosene heater that's much cleaner burning than the salamander, but is still louder than I'd like.
 
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I did do some searching here, if there is much talk, could not find much. :dunno:

Seeing sub-$200 small diesel heaters advertised, wondering how they perform and what amount of fuel, they consume. Three car garage. I do have a 20K btu salamander, but it's pretty noisy and non-vented (kero not cheap). Also have a 240V forced air electric, not permanently installed.

Looking for something to run longer periods with maybe remote start. Our home heats with fuel oil, so I could use some of that.

Any users? Thanks
I use one in my shop and have messed with them a bunch. I have four of them, one is rigged up to run on tool batteries for portable use.
They are incredibly efficient and burn super hot so the exhaust is not smelly or anything. I've seen pictures of the inside when running and its like a jet motor, just a pure blue flame.

At about 3/4 output mine uses about a gallon of diesel every 24 hours, maybe a little less. I have a 7.5 gallon tank connected to it and it lasts more than a week of steady running. It is only around 14k btu output at 75% power, so I don't know if that is enough for your application. They are around 17k btu maxed out. They are rated for 5k watts output, that translates into 17k btu. I believe they are around that based on comparing them to a 10k btu gas heater I have, but have not done the fuel usage vs efficiency math.

There are lots of forums dedicated to them, but here are some of the main points -

1. You have to run a small exhaust pipe and an air intake hose for combustion outside, both about 1".

2. If yours comes with the crappy green fuel line you need to replace it with the solid semi-clear white one or it will leak, but you will want to buy the kit to run it into a larger fuel container if you don't get that with yours, and those all use the good line.

3. There is a flat gasket at the bottom that seals around the exhaust and air intake, you need to replace it with the silicone German one, the cheap rubber one will slowly burn and give off fumes forever. You can also cut one out of a cheap silicone baking mat.

4. They are all interchangeable inside, you can buy cheap rebuild kits with gaskets and a new glow plug online, eBay, Amazon, etc.

5. There are different control boards, certain ones work with a really cool controller called an Afterburner, a guy in Australia makes them. It does a much better job of running the heater plus adds all types of ways to control it online or with your phone. And does a better job tuning it, monitors and reacts to fuel usage and voltage, etc. I have one and love it. It cost almost as much as a heater, but has been well worth it. https://www.mrjones.id.au/afterburner/

6. They run fine on diesel, fuel oil, or kerosene. Not on used motor oil unless you want to clean it constantly or have a really good filter setup.

7. You need to check the tuning out of the box, they all run rich and soot up inside by default. Some have automatic elevation tuning, some don't. The auto tune ones are pretty good but all need checked and tuned or you will be taking them apart and cleaning them a lot, when tuned correctly they will run for years without being messed with. Mine runs almost constantly all winter every year.

8. They have a glow plug that heats up during startup and shutdown, this draws 10-12 amps at 12v, so you need to have a solid power source. Most people connect them to a 12v battery with a small charger on it, that way it can stay charged up, and its good in a power outage.

9. You have to make sure power does not get interrupted when its running, the burn chamber is going to be incredibly hot and if the power goes out it will cook the controller and other stuff when the blower fan shuts down. Could even light on fire. They all run on 12/24v DC, some come with a wall adapter but internally they are 12/24v. You can't just use the wall adapter unless you hook it to some sort of UPS so the power never goes out. And the wall adapters are cheap garbage that will fail. If you have an Afterburner it can shut them down gracefully when power starts to drop.

10. I would not buy the all in one setup unless you wanted it to be portable, the ones that are separate parts are smaller and easier to setup more permanently in a shop, and easier to work on.

11. The fuel pump is a dosing pump, meaning it gets turned of and on at different speeds depending on output. This makes a loud ticking noise that drives people crazy. I use a dead silent pump from here, $20, you need the "22" for a 5k heater. https://sunsterdirect.com/products/a220-ultra-low-noise-fuel-pump-12v

I think those are the main points, but feel free to ask me anything about them, I've been messing with them for 4-5 years and have setup a bunch for other people.
 

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I've never heard the pump on them. Have Espar units though, not the Chineese ones.

Takes 2 running wide open in an 8x25 to keep it at ~55*
 
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I've never heard the pump on them. Have Espar units though, not the Chineese ones.

Takes 2 running wide open in an 8x25 to keep it at ~55*
The Espar ones are awesome and use a really good silent pump, but also cost 10-15 times more than the china ones that copied them. The maintenance parts (gaskets etc) are interchangeable but the electronics are different and way better on the Espar, hence the need for something like the Afterburner controller for the china ones to get decent functionality. I paid around $75 for my heaters and have about $200 total into my shop heating one with misc upgrades and the Afterburner controller, Espar ones are more like $1,500.
 

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I used the one I bought for my truck camper in the shop. The heat output was fine if you are standing in front of it. Its not gonna do a whole shop. I ran mine off my Jackery. Pulls about 120 watts max on startup, and once it gets running the watts dropped to about 6 watts running blower. I also watched a few videos where guys plumbed the exhaust to run thru a cast iron radiator to reclaim heat being exhausted. This was for shop heat use, and definitely increased the efficiency of the unit.
 
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This is a picture of the app main control screen for my Afterburner controller from about an hour ago, you can change a ton of settings on other screens including 5 different temperature control schemes. As well as turning on auto tuning by elevation and a bunch of other handy stuff. It's a little homemade looking but has been rock solid for years, and I can monitor and control my heater from anywhere with a cell or internet connection. At this setting the air blasting out is about 180F and I can feel it across my shop.

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I've never heard the pump on them. Have Espar units though, not the Chineese ones.

Takes 2 running wide open in an 8x25 to keep it at ~55*
My Chinese pump ticks. Not as loud as many clocks, but if you're one of those people with an abnormal reaction to sounds, it may be annoying. Especially when there's no other background noise to compare with.
 

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I just picked up a Vevor unit and gave it a test run in my garage yesterday. It definitely puts out some heat. I ran it off AC power via a converter for the initial run (I do have a 12V battery and a trickle charger I plan on running it on) and built a little platform of sorts out of some old pallet scraps. I extended the exhaust outside my garage door and ran it for a good hour or so. Now that I know it works I'll work on a permanent wall mount install and route the exhaust through a hole in the wall with an air gap wall adapter.

FWIW, the heater was on a sale for $70, with free shipping. The converter was another $30 (it arrived via Amazon banged all to **** as you can see in the pic...I somewhat straightened out the bent bits and just decided to keep it instead of contacting Amazon about it. If they send me a "how was your purchase?" survey I'll mention it)
 

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From my reading about these it appears that it is very important to place the INTAKE (small 1 inch line) as well as the exhaust line (the other 1 incher) both routed to the outside. The larger intake and heat line that go straight through the heater remain inside. This recycles the heated air and does not draw in outside cold air to be heated. The reason the combustion intake goes outside too is that otherwise it would be exerting a negative pressure in the room (garage) and thus draw cold air in through every small crack to the outside and negate a lot of the heater's work warming things up.

YMMV but this is the way I understand it from looking at many articles/videos on them. If this is correct about half the installation videos on YouTube are done incorrectly.
 

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... If this is correct about half the installation videos on YouTube are done incorrectly.
That mistake catches half of the youtubers, but proper drainage of condensate from the exhaust, using the right fuel line and the need for the angled pump alignment tangles up most of the others, so I'd say more like 90% of the installs I see on youtube are done incorrectly.
 

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If you want something quiet that puts out some heat, try one of these.

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Also nice for warming up frozen hydraulics, etc.
Thanks, I have lots of propane heaters for outside. I'm looking for something for the inside of an RV. Mainly for auxiliary heat when it's - 35C outside and I don't have 120V for electric heat. I don't want to have CO or CO2 inside.
 

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My Chinese pump ticks. Not as loud as many clocks, but if you're one of those people with an abnormal reaction to sounds, it may be annoying. Especially when there's no other background noise to compare with.
I usually have "eeeeeeeeeEeeeeeeeeeEeeeeEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee" as noise 🤣
 

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Thanks, I have lots of propane heaters for outside. I'm looking for something for the inside of an RV. Mainly for auxiliary heat when it's - 35C outside and I don't have 120V for electric heat. I don't want to have CO or CO2 inside.
for RV propane heat there are the propane furnaces that they sell in various sizes
or the marine Propex heater units.
propex are ~90% effecient and are a small compact design.
I have one in my VW camper. go the green. the blue just isn't really enough btus.

but they are NOT cheap as diesel units.

 
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