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GeoBruin

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I'm in need of an engine hoist for lifting machines and various other heavy things. I have a bridge crane in my shop, but it doesn't help me for lifting things into my pickup or trailer outside the shop.

My shop is very small, and already overcrowded. I'm looking for an engine hoist that not only folds, but has a small footprint when folded. By this I mean that the boom is designed to collapse almost entirely flat against the vertical member, and a plus if the wheels are narrow.

I've seen this Black Widow model and a couple others that appear to be the same thing in a different color, but none seem to be widely available. Any other suggestions for engine cranes that fold up small like this (or that are easily disassembled when not in use)?

 
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The usual, foldable leg 2ton engine hoist wouldn't take much more floor space than the one pictured, maybe 2ftx1ft ish but I haven't measured.

I hate giving up floor space too, but it's one thing I won't live without after having
 

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I worked at a tool rental place in the early 90s, and we rented Blue Bird engine hoists. They basically snapped together with no tools in a few minutes; a really neat design. They're probably not in business anymore, but maybe you can find a used one, or someone makes a copy of it now.
I have the 30 yr old HF one, and it breaks down to a small footprint, but it might take an hour to put it together since it has a lot of hardware.
 
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This exactly what I'm talking about. I searched that model and it looks like there is a thread here about it with some photos. It is indeed, very compact!

It is pretty expensive, and it looks like shipping is pretty stiff, but it might be more available than the first model I posted. It also seems to be pretty well built, with the weight rating not dropping as rapidly as others when the boom is extended.

Thanks for the input.


Edit: It looks like that one isn't easy to find either. There's also some confusion about the model numbers. The WJN5 is a lighter duty hoist and in many cases, they are advertised together but when you try to purchase, the 10 model isn't available.

Any other options?
 
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Update on this. I created an account with discount ramps so I could follow to see if the Black Widow I originally posted would come back in stock. I also added the hoist to my cart kind of fishing for a discount and sure enough, 15% off in my inbox within a day or two. I pulled the trigger despite the expensive shipping because they actually had an estimated date when it would be back in stock and because I hasn't found a better option.

Fortunately, it shipped the day after it was supposed to be back in stock so that was good and it arrived today, less than a week after it shipped.

First impressions:

- It's definitely made in China. I knew this going in and the alternative in this price range was a Harbor Freight special anyway, so it is what it is. It had the typical lack of attention to detail. Powder coat chipped during assembly covered with black rattle can paint, sharp corner, corners, ugly if substantial welds, etc. Again, no surprises, but what was a surprise...
- It's heavy duty. I know the goal was a small footprint, and it is actually does fold up pretty compact for its size, but everything is just big (and heavy). Again, my basis for comparison is the HF 1 ton hoist and there's just a lot more meat on this thing everywhere. In fact, this one weighs 75 lbs more than the Harbor freight 1 ton hoist and 25 lbs more than the 2 ton hoist! It's max boom length and lift height are both greater than the comparable HF hoist as well, but perhaps most importantly, the capacity at max boom extension is more than 3 times that of the HF 1 ton hoist (1,540 lbs vs 500 lbs).
- The footprint is not as small as I would have liked, but that seems like a trade off for the robustness if thus thing. That said, the footprint on the floor is about 18" x 18", which is not as small as the AC hydraulic hoist discussed earlier, but still much smaller than the HF or other similarly designed hoists. It's unfortunately about 2 inches too tall with the legs folded up for me to store under my overhead cabinets, but I've already got a plan to chop them slightly.

All in all, I'm feeling pretty okay with the purchase. It was still half of what the user who ordered the AC hydraulic model paid even after tax and shipping, and even these few years later. It's much more hoist than the HF would have been by a stretch, and still folds up smaller. It's got some rough edges, but nothing I can't fix or improve and I was always open to that possibility.

I know I'm violating the number one rule by not posting any pictures but it's late and I want to grab some photos in the daylight. I'll post some tomorrow along with some measurements.
 

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If you currently utilize any kind of roll-around cart in your shop, attach one of those "pick-up" type cranes from HF. Won't take any additional floor space than you currently do.
 

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It's easy to say it lifts more at full extension, but if the full extension lengths are a different length then it's apples to watermelons.

I don't know what the 1 ton length is but I'm fairly confident the 2 ton is more like 6ft, which I find is barely enough to grab something of any size out of the back of a 1/4 ton.

18"x18" floor space doesn't sound like a great amount of savings in room either from a 2 ton
 

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Get a normal engine hoist. They're pretty much all identical. Anything smaller you loose capacity. They don't rake much room folded up and you can always partially disassemble it if you aren't using it much.
 
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Thanks for the report! Nice to hear that it's more beefy... the HF 1-ton hoist is rather sketchy for anything more than a four-cylinder in a compact car.

I had the same dilemma a while back and ended up just buying the hoist at HF, and then selling it when I was done. It folded up fairly compactly, but still wasn't really worth the space in my overstuffed garage compared to the potential frequency of use.

Basically, I used it for two weeks, then sold it almost instantly on CrackList for about $50 less than I paid. Much cheaper than renting, and now I don't have to trip over the thing.

I planned to do the same buy/sell thing with a hydraulic press purchased to deal with a recalcitrant wheel bearing, but then I found that the thing is more ridiculously useful than I imagined. I put wheels on it and found the space.
 

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I'm having trouble understanding the math but something just doesn't seem right to me that two similar sized 1 ton capacity engine lifts would have 3x capacity difference at full extension. I'm assuming both are approximately the same physical size. I see the lifting point on the black widow is much closer to the fulcrum than the Harbor Freight but wouldn't that give the HF more mechanical advantage? Also personally I'd be concerned about stability under load with the single castor (or is it two spaced close together?) and apparently no lateral support on the post. Not sure if you're planning to actually lift 1500 lbs with that lift at full extension but if you are please be careful with it. I have the HF 2 ton and a 6 cyl engine (which can't be more than a few hundred lbs) seemed a bit unwieldy at height. Good luck.
 

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I think half the problem is that it looks smaller in the pictures of it by itself, compared to the one with the human in it.

We need pics! Lol
 
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Okay, okay. Figured I at least had time to come out and snap a few pictures before things got going but that's what I get for living on the west coast.

To address some commets:

- Yes, the small* difference in floor area does make a difference in my very small shop. I hope to someday have a much larger shop where these things won't make a difference but today is not that day.

* 18" x 18" is about 2.25 sq. ft. Based on dimensions I found for the HF 2 ton model (for example) at 31.5" x 25" (5.5 sq. ft.) this is almost exactly half the footprint. But more importantly, my overhead cabinets are just over 16 inches deep so this will tuck in almost perfectly underneath.

- I realize comparing capacity must take in to consideration the extension of the boom, but all of those numbers are published for all the models being discussed here. For example, I mentioned the HF 1 ton model was rated at 500 lbs at full extension, and full extension is listed as 45-7/8" vs 1,450 lbs at 47-1/2" for the black widow. And that brings me to my next point...

-How can it maintain such a high capacity rating at full extension compared to (for example) the Harbor Freight hoist? I'm no engineer, but I think there are a few obvious differences between the designs that might account for the difference. First of all, the HF uses square tubing for both the upright and the boom. Meanwhile, the BW uses 2x4 x .125 wall rectangular tubing for the upright, and a combination of 2x4 tube and plate for the boom. The plate that makes up the pivot portion is 8mm thick (5/16") and the folded portion that makes up the boom extension is 5mm (.197"). I think it's just much much stiffer in the dimension being loaded.

Also, the attachment of the upright to the base is really beefy. I assume the HF uses the stabilizer bits to compensate for the fact that the main upright is held on by just two bolts and a small plate to the cross member. Meanwhile, the BW upright is welded to a 1/2" thick plate. That plate is bolted to the base using 7 x 12mm bolts. The base itself is another 1/2" plate welded along the entire perimeter to 2 x 4 tubes that are connected in the front and back by more 8mm plate.

All of this explains why the thing weighs over 50% more than the 1 ton HF hoist. I don't believe it was designed particularly efficiently. Rather, everything was just sort of arbitrarily super sized. I guess steel is cheap in China?

Anyway, that brings me to my last point:

- All of these weight capacities must be taken with a grain of salt. Who knows what kind of testing or certification these things go through (if any). Like all my other jacks, hoists, trolleys, slings etc. I evaluate them the best I can and decide how comfortable I am using them at or close to their published specs. In this case, my instinct tells me this is a more stout hoist than the HF, but I'll know even more the first time I load it up and see how it behaves.

I didn't necessarily purchase this for loading things in to and out of my truck (lifted tacoma short bed) as I have a Spitz Lift for that. Anything that would exceed the Spitz Lift's capacity and require this engine hoist would likely exceed the payload capacity of my truck anyway. But, I was curious how effectively it could be used after a certain skeptic above brought it up.

With the load nearly centered in the bed, I have about 60" between the bed and the hook. With rigging and all, I'm not going to be loading a vertical compressor, but a generator, toolbox, etc. would work. At max height, I have 68 inches of vertical clearance and the load is centered about 32" in from the lip of the tailgate.
 

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I have a bridge crane in my shop, but it doesn't help me for lifting things into my pickup or trailer outside the shop.
I didn't necessarily purchase this for loading things in to and out of my truck (lifted tacoma short bed) as I have a Spitz Lift for that. Anything that would exceed the Spitz Lift's capacity and require this engine hoist would likely exceed the payload capacity of my truck anyway. But, I was curious how effectively it could be used after a certain skeptic above brought it up.
Sorry, I thought by your OP you were planning on lifting things into your truck
 
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Sorry, I thought by your OP you were planning on lifting things into your truck
If it makes sense, sure. It's definitely quicker to roll the engine hoist out of the shop than it is to assemble the Spitz Lift. But, as you stated, the height and reach restrictions of a cherry picker make it less less ideal in some circumstances. One of the most immediate projects will be lifting a 1,300 lb milling machine, but that will be on to a trailer with a deck thats only 16 inches off the ground.
 

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I'm not knocking the lift just confused by the math irrespective of how "beefy" one is constructed over the other, both presumably will lift 2000 lbs at some point along the boom it's just not making sense to me how one can only lift 500 lbs at full extension and the other can lift 3x that amount at same distance plus 1-5/8". I suspect something in the documentation for one of them has been lost in translation. Anyway be safe.
 

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If it makes sense, sure. It's definitely quicker to roll the engine hoist out of the shop than it is to assemble the Spitz Lift. But, as you stated, the height and reach restrictions of a cherry picker make it less less ideal in some circumstances. One of the most immediate projects will be lifting a 1,300 lb milling machine, but that will be on to a trailer with a deck thats only 16 inches off the ground.
Don't let it earn it's name the "black widow", on its first lift!
 
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Don't let it earn it's name the "black widow", on its first lift!
Yes, maybe they should call it the "Widow Maker".

I will say that all that mass up top with the tiny base makes it reeealy sketchy to move around in the folded condition. I nearly dumped it getting it set up earlier.
 
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I'm not knocking the lift just confused by the math irrespective of how "beefy" one is constructed over the other, both presumably will lift 2000 lbs at some point along the boom it's just not making sense to me how one can only lift 500 lbs at full extension and the other can lift 3x that amount at same distance plus 1-5/8". I suspect something in the documentation for one of them has been lost in translation. Anyway be safe.
My assumption is it has to do with the amount of allowable deflection. Both beams, in their shorter configurations, have minimal enough deflection under load to be considered allowable. Once the beam spans are lengthened, the less stiff beam deflects more, so to keep the deflection within an allowable tolerance for the material, the allowable force must be lower.

All this assumes the deflection in the boom is the limiting factor here. Someone recently asked the question on this forum about what the weak link in an engine hoist might be (they were planning to "beef it up") and the answers were all over the place.
 

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I just bought a folding one from Harbor Freight. Setting up a shop in one of my garages, been using the heck out of it moving stuff around. It's not the best I've ever seen, but the price was right.
 
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