cvairwerks
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Git: That's a fixed monthly fee on top of all the other charges and fees, and there is still a per kWH charge........They are going to reduce the kWH charge between 8 and 18% at most, depending on numerous variables.
Smart Meters…
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David Paul
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Thanks Jim. JCP&L will be installing smart meters in our area this fall. Hadn’t seen this before.We had our meter swapped out to a Smart Meter last summer. JCP&L did a big slick ad campaign for it. What WASN'T mentioned in that campaign is that THEY needed to deploy SM technology before they can introduce us to it's friendly cousin TOU rates.
Cheers
Jim
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reader2580
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Utility customers in many states, including Minnesota, would LOVE to have those rates. The highest rate on that chart is less than what I pay 24 hours a day. The penalty for over 600 KWH is less than a penny an hour. In California the higher tiers are much more expensive than the base tier.We had our meter swapped out to a Smart Meter last summer. JCP&L did a big slick ad campaign for it. What WASN'T mentioned in that campaign is that THEY needed to deploy SM technology before they can introduce us to it's friendly cousin TOU rates.
Jim_No_Garage
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For giggles I pulled my latest JCP@L bill and we have a 3rd party energy provider who is charging a flat 0.1079 per kwh - slightly higher than JCP&L's "compare" rate of 0.10058 per KWH printed on the bill - which doesn't align with the document I posted. Not sure why not.
I've never really paid any attention to the electricity rate were paying. A reasonable electricity rate doesn't cover the other financial indignities cast upon me for living in the great Garden State, but it's better than nothing.
Cheers
Jim
wyliesdiesels
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PoCos have had digital logging meters long before "smart meters." they would record the electricity usage at different intervals and times of the day. they had LCD displays instead of analog wheels and dials. they were read with an infrared scanner. they were essentially a smart meter without the wireless card that todays smart meters have
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wyliesdiesels
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Californian here but we dont have Profit, Gouge, and Execute nor 1 of the other "big 3" PoCos listed. We have MID (modesto irrigation district), who has been charging a fixed meter fee for decades. but our rates are more than 150% cheaper than Profits Gone Elsewhere's...California just went to a fixed fee and lowered rates - which would actually encourage more usage. Every Californian will now have to pay a monthly flat fee
So a 'high energy user' will actually have to pay less each month because they are going to cut the cost per kWh
https://calmatters.org/housing/2024/05/californians-electricity-rates/#:~:text=The new California charge will be $24 for,will see fees of either $6 or $12.
Theres numerous other smaller electric co-ops throughout the state whom have been charging meter fees for a long time as well. Redding Electric, Roseville Electric, SMUD (sacramento), Lodi Electric, MID, Silicon Valley Power (santa clara), TID (turlock irrigation district) and MID (merced ID) to name a few.
wyliesdiesels
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dang wish we could have those rates in caliWe had our meter swapped out to a Smart Meter last summer. JCP&L did a big slick ad campaign for it. What WASN'T mentioned in that campaign is that THEY needed to deploy SM technology before they can introduce us to it's friendly cousin TOU rates.
I grabbed the above from :
https://www.firstenergycorp.com/content/dam/customer/Customer Choice/Files/New Jersey/PriceToCompare.pdf
If I'm reading this correctly standard residential service steps up the rate over 600KWH per period. I don't have a power bill handy to see where we sit - I don't know how much energy we use here.
Cutting usage across the board is never a bad idea.
Cheers
Jim
this is what i pay
and people in the next town over get raked over the coals by Profit Gouge and Execute rates
how're they gonna generate shareholder returns without rate-basing them?
up the price, cut the shareholders in!
wyliesdiesels
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by not spending money on maintaining repairing and replacing infrastructure...
If the electric company really had some nefarious master plan for smart meters, they would just move them onto the utility pole taps where no one would be the wiser. With current technology, there is no reason they need to be on the house anymore. Meter reader is an extinction level profession and needs to die even quicker than is already happening. They don't even need to be anything resembling a meter anymore, just a digital counter reporting instantaneously to a central computer. No need for a wheel, a display, a counter. Yes, existing infrastructure would need changed, but surely this nefarious master plan would quickly pay for that, right?
Instead, the electric company has found another revenue stream. I guess we should thank the hold outs for keeping our rates lower.
Instead, the electric company has found another revenue stream. I guess we should thank the hold outs for keeping our rates lower.