Snap on his absolute JUNK he proclaimed!!

[isb cornbinder]

Sounds like a lot of old guys I have known that like to say stuff just to get a reaction or be a character like he saw elders when he was younger. Bet he knows a lot of useful stuff though mixed in with all the show.


And Hoorah Mark and Vince-BU “A” school Hueneme 94’

I am an old guy. I agree with you 100%. I am retired now, but I still like messing with the young social media smart egos. I almost never have a miss-fire.
I agreed with one of the neighbourhood know-it-all 20 somethings when he stated that the Ford Flathead in my '40 was a HEMI. He could tell because of the sparkplug location. This sort of stuff is self correcting. I am not a teacher.

 

[1982fxr]

BTW.....I've never been to a "limestone wuarry " What is it?

Basically a gravel pit operation

 

[Professional Tool User]

Snap on - junk, no. Overpriced, yes.

 

[6PTsocket]

If he can afford it, he can afford any opinion he wants

And even if he can't. The old saying : Opinions are like a*****es, everybody's got one. It makes no difference; everybody is free to have their own preferences in tools. His wealth or successes carry no weight. Everybody here is a tool buff and obviously has their own opinions and will not be swayed by some cantankerous old guy bad mouthing SO. People would not pay the high prices if they did not meet their. expectations. If you start selling ****, reputation will only carry you for so long, like Sears Craftsman.

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[Seanny]

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Came here for this!!

 

[Iluvbeer]

And even if he can't. The old saying : Opinions are like a*****es, everybody's got one. It makes no difference; everybody is free to have their own preferences in tools. His wealth or successes carry no weight. Everybody here is a tool buff and obviously has their own opinions and will not be swayed by some cantankerous old guy bad mouthing SO. People would not pay the high prices if they did not meet their. expectations. If you start selling ****, reputation will only carry you for so long, like Sears Craftsman.

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Well said. You’re right on on several things and others I disagree on. Everyone has an opinion and are entitled to it. People’s experiences varies no doubt. Marketing can carry a business or a product a very long ways, and reputation can carry you even further. But reputations can also change, especially when you have businesses looking to cut costs and increase profits. The okd days when companies made things to last are far gone. These days, all companies manufacturer to a life expectancy that will increase their residual sales. It’s built into their business plan. They want you buying a ratchet every few yeats, not once in a lifetime....
John Deere also use to build the best garden tractor a man could buy. They don’t anymkre however, you’ll still have brand loyal guys who will buy nothing but a Deere because they’ve always heared the Deere built tractors to last...

I don’t for a second believe SO is sooooo much better that it deserves such a huge price over many other brands. As with any industry, your competitors are gonna closely match what you produce. It’s just simply the nature of industry. But there are many, many people out there that believe that the more money they spend on something the better the product is. It isn’t that a BMW, a Mercedes, and audi, is soooo much better. It’s just that it costs mkre so people perceive they are getting higher quality. They buy a Deere or a a snap on because they’ve always been told it’s the best.

I didn’t make that story up about the old man, he isn’t a blow hard, just a man with experience and it was his opinion. I don’t at all agree with his opinion, I don’t for a second think SO is junk. But I also don’t believe they deserve the premium price that they get. Me personally, I’d spend my money elsewhere any day of the week. And even though I’m a HUGE John Deere fan, I wouldn’t waste my money on one built newer than the mid 80’s.
And even tho My favorite rifle happens to be CZ, I’d never in a million years buy one of their new offerings. Today’s manufacturing isn’t what it use to be And, today’s brands aren’t what they use to be.
Buy whatever floats your boat and I’ll do the same but man, I’m sooo burnt out on all the brand BS. I look for quality versus price, not just the name stamped on it because that doesn’t mean **** these days...

 

[Iluvbeer]

In my immediate family, there are 3 lamborghinis, two McClarens, two R8’s, a porche and a ferrari. And even though you could buy 10 Ford super duty’s for one McClaren, aren’t any of them higher quality than a Super Duty.

 

[6PTsocket]

Well said. You’re right on on several things and others I disagree on. Everyone has an opinion and are entitled to it. People’s experiences varies no doubt. Marketing can carry a business or a product a very long ways, and reputation can carry you even further. But reputations can also change, especially when you have businesses looking to cut costs and increase profits. The okd days when companies made things to last are far gone. These days, all companies manufacturer to a life expectancy that will increase their residual sales. It’s built into their business plan. They want you buying a ratchet every few yeats, not once in a lifetime....

John Deere also use to build the best garden tractor a man could buy. They don’t anymkre however, you’ll still have brand loyal guys who will buy nothing but a Deere because they’ve always heared the Deere built tractors to last...



I don’t for a second believe SO is sooooo much better that it deserves such a huge price over many other brands. As with any industry, your competitors are gonna closely match what you produce. It’s just simply the nature of industry. But there are many, many people out there that believe that the more money they spend on something the better the product is. It isn’t that a BMW, a Mercedes, and audi, is soooo much better. It’s just that it costs mkre so people perceive they are getting higher quality. They buy a Deere or a a snap on because they’ve always been told it’s the best.



I didn’t make that story up about the old man, he isn’t a blow hard, just a man with experience and it was his opinion. I don’t at all agree with his opinion, I don’t for a second think SO is junk. But I also don’t believe they deserve the premium price that they get. Me personally, I’d spend my money elsewhere any day of the week. And even though I’m a HUGE John Deere fan, I wouldn’t waste my money on one built newer than the mid 80’s.

And even tho My favorite rifle happens to be CZ, I’d never in a million years buy one of their new offerings. Today’s manufacturing isn’t what it use to be And, today’s brands aren’t what they use to be.

Buy whatever floats your boat and I’ll do the same but man, I’m sooo burnt out on all the brand BS. I look for quality versus price, not just the name stamped on it because that doesn’t mean **** these days...

There are always those that never get the word. There are those that will fight over the last piece of Chinese CMan. Those that follow lawn equipment know that JD make a lot of cheaper stuff today. However, the stuff in the big box stores are not their best offerings. The same is true of Cub Cadet. Mercedes makes entry level stuff today. The brands you mentioned are better made that a lot if lower priced stuff. A few years ago I read how Mopar made a very tight steering system out of inexpensive parts that were not meant to last, just sell the car. Year after year the Lexus gets the top quality awards and they do not come cheap. On the other hand Rover is always way down on the reliability list but goes for top dollar. Car companies sell image as much as they sell cars. Subaru never stops talking about how it is the family car and never touts technical improvements.

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[M6erfan]

It's interesting, those lamenting the poor quality of manufacturing today. When an econobox will easily go 100k miles with hardly any maintenance.

For me, the problem lies in the "race to the bottom" issue. There are too many companies giving up quality for price. It's all around us and it started decades ago. Not a new phenomenon by any stretch.

 

[Iluvbeer]

There are always those that never get the word. There are those that will fight over the last piece of Chinese CMan. Those that follow lawn equipment know that JD make a lot of cheaper stuff today. However, the stuff in the big box stores are not their best offerings. The same is true of Cub Cadet. Mercedes makes entry level stuff today. The brands you mentioned are better made that a lot if lower priced stuff. A few years ago I read how Mopar made a very tight steering system out of inexpensive parts that were not meant to last, just sell the car. Year after year the Lexus gets the top quality awards and they do not come cheap. On the other hand Rover is always way down on the reliability list but goes for top dollar. Car companies sell image as much as they sell cars. Subaru never stops talking about how it is the family car and never touts technical improvements.

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It’s not just car companies my friend. That’s what marketing is, it’s their job to make you feel that you need to buy their product over anyone else’s. Unfortunately, many get a free ride because of who the they USE to be, or what they USE to make.
Make no mistake, the corporate industry is all about producing a product that you need to re-buy after a few years. The days of yesteryear where you buy a product and it’s passed down for generations is over. Companies don’t profit that way anymore...

 

[M6erfan]

It’s not just car companies my friend. That’s what marketing is, it’s their job to make you feel that you need to buy their product over anyone else’s. Unfortunately, many get a free ride because of who the they USE to be, or what they USE to make.
Make no mistake, the corporate industry is all about producing a product that you need to re-buy after a few years. The days of yesteryear where you buy a product and it’s passed down for generations is over. Companies don’t profit that way anymore...

About 5 years ago I read a book, Deluxe: How Luxury Lost Its Luster, a great read about how well known high end brands live off their past even when transitioning to "cheap" manufacturing and quality. Some might find it eye opening.

 

[Iluvbeer]

About 5 years ago I read a book, Deluxe: How Luxury Lost Its Luster, a great read about how well known high end brands live off their past even when transitioning to "cheap" manufacturing and quality. Some might find it eye opening.

One of my jobs in the corporate world was “lean manufacturing”. I was the guys who took a fortune 500 company and figured out ways to save them money. You’d be really surprised how in-depth they go.... We would calculate how many foot steps a person had to perform to complete their task and attempt to reduce it. Today’s world is ALL ABOUT how much profit you can make off each piece, how many pieces you can sell, and what percentage of customers you gain or lose from the product you produce. For every one person who actively seaks out quality, there are 4 who seaks out low price/adequate quality...

 

[M6erfan]

One of my jobs in the corporate world was “lean manufacturing”. I was the guys who took a fortune 500 company and figured out ways to save them money. You’d be really surprised how in-depth they go.... We would calculate how many foot steps a person had to perform to complete their task and attempt to reduce it. Today’s world is ALL ABOUT how much profit you can make off each piece, how many pieces you can sell, and what percentage of customers you gain or lose from the product you produce. For every one person who actively seaks out quality, there are 4 who seaks out low price/adequate quality...

Hardly surprised. I understand fully, I worked in industrial automation for almost 20 years. The goal is not reducing the foot steps taken, it's to eliminate them (the feet and the worker attached to them) as much as possible.

What frustrates many, I believe, is that these companies are more profitable than ever, yet still would rather produce ****. And wage growth since the 70's is laughable. But the reality is this is the world we live in...

I was looking for small hose clips recently, aside from OEM, they're all made in China and they all ****.

Anyway, I'm glad there are still companies that choose to manufacture and provide jobs in America.

 

[PassnThru]

I personally know a lot of people that I humor but don't listen to. Most of them are older. Several younger people that know me don't listen to me but humor me I'm sure.

And yet it's on three pages now

 

[Iluvbeer]

Hardly surprised. I understand fully, I worked in industrial automation for almost 20 years. The goal is not reducing the foot steps taken, it's to eliminate them (the feet and the worker attached to them) as much as possible.

What frustrates many, I believe, is that these companies are more profitable than ever, yet still would rather produce ****. And wage growth since the 70's is laughable. But the reality is this is the world we live in...

I was looking for small hose clips recently, aside from OEM, they're all made in China and they all ****.

Anyway, I'm glad there are still companies that choose to manufacture and provide jobs in America.

Agree wholeheartedly. Unfortunately, many people see the phrase “buy America” as a patriotic thing. They don’t fully understand the serious importance behind it.
Another thing many don’t realize is the importance of smaller businesses. These business les often times offer a much higher value because unlike their large counterparts, they ARE focused on quality and not just the bottom line. They have to offer something better than who they’re competing with.

I happened to believe there are mich smaller companies offering tools, or products at an equal (or even better) to Snap On, or BMW, or John Deere for a fraction of the cost. Many times, it’s the name, the past tense reputation that people are paying for, not the higher quality. But many absolutely refuse to accept that. Period...

 

[Wamsutta]

I proclaim that this thread (with its very annoying thread title) is absolute junk. I would highly recommend to the Administrator that he push the Vanish Button.

 

[Iluvbeer]

I proclaim that this thread (with its very annoying thread title) is absolute junk. I would highly recommend to the Administrator that he push the Vanish Button.

I’m sorry. Nobody meant to hurt your feelings...

 

[Wamsutta]

I’m sorry. Nobody meant to hurt your feelings...

It's not my feelings that I'm concerned about. It's the feelings of the very fine men and women that work at the factory in Elizabethton Tennessee.

 

[M6erfan]

Agree wholeheartedly. Unfortunately, many people see the phrase “buy America” as a patriotic thing. They don’t fully understand the serious importance behind it.
Another thing many don’t realize is the importance of smaller businesses. These business les often times offer a much higher value because unlike their large counterparts, they ARE focused on quality and not just the bottom line. They have to offer something better than who they’re competing with.

I happened to believe there are mich smaller companies offering tools, or products at an equal (or even better) to Snap On, or BMW, or John Deere for a fraction of the cost. Many times, it’s the name, the past tense reputation that people are paying for, not the higher quality. But many absolutely refuse to accept that. Period...

There's the rub. Too many people are perfectly content with "****". No matter where it's made. Hence, "race to the bottom"...

Look at SK as another example. American owned, American workers, American steel... On those traits alone one would think they'd be a much larger player in the hand tool world. Yet GearWrench gets most of the "thread time" here, on a pretty pro-America tool forum. Case closed...

 

[Iluvbeer]

It's not my feelings that I'm concerned about. It's the feelings of the very fine men and women that work at the factory in Elizabethton Tennessee.

Oh...so, since I also am not a fanboy of Chevrolet products, nobody in an internet chat forum should ever discuss their dislike for Chevys, either?
Yeah, you’re absolutely right... To hell with freedom of speach if it concerns an American made product. I guess I should just discount the fact that I was able to enlist in a US military branch, serve my country honorably defending the very piece of ground that this foundry was built on but... I don’t have the right to voice my opinion about the product they produce? Gotcha! Makes total sense now that I think about it....

 

[Wamsutta]

Oh...so, since I also am not a fanboy of Chevrolet products, nobody in an internet chat forum should ever discuss their dislike for Chevys, either?
Yeah, you’re absolutely right... To hell with freedom of speach if it concerns an American made product. I guess I should just discount the fact that I was able to enlist in a US military branch, serve my country honorably defending the very piece of ground that this foundry was built on but... I don’t have the right to voice my opinion about the product they produce? Gotcha! Makes total sense now that I think about it....

There's no freedom of speech on an internet forum. It's totally up to the Owner/Administrator what he wants said on his board. All I can do is make recommendations when it comes to topics that are as inflammatory as this.

 

[Iluvbeer]

There's no freedom of speech on an internet forum. It's totally up to the Owner/Administrator what he wants said on his board. All I can do is make recommendations when it comes to topics that are as inflammatory as this.

....

 

[Yarpo]

Look at SK as another example. American owned, American workers, American steel... On those traits alone one would think they'd be a much larger player in the hand tool world. Yet GearWrench gets most of the "thread time" here, on a pretty pro-America tool forum. Case closed...

But you already touched on this above. Wage stagnation. You've got a starter tech making 12.50 an hour. Gearwrench tools get the job done and are a good balance between the quality they provide at their price point. Example tech is 19, and SK cost him two or three times as much. Hes got other problems in life, much deeper than buying American Made tools, like getting health insurance, finding a car to drive to work, and paying rent.

Do you think whoever owns SK is not trying to maximize profits? What do you think an SK socket set sold for IN RELATION to wages in 1980 and in relation to wages now?

 

[Tallpilot]

Don’t mind Wamsutta. Like your uncle who drinks too much on thanksgiving he will grow on you just as you learn to tune him out.

 

[M6erfan]

But you already touched on this above. Wage stagnation. You've got a starter tech making 12.50 an hour. Gearwrench tools get the job done and are a good balance between the quality they provide at their price point. Example tech is 19, and SK cost him two or three times as much. Hes got other problems in life, much deeper than buying American Made tools, like getting health insurance, finding a car to drive to work, and paying rent.

Do you think whoever owns SK is not trying to maximize profits? What do you think an SK socket set sold for IN RELATION to wages in 1980 and in relation to wages now?

You tell me...

Don’t mind Wamsutta. Like your uncle who drinks too much on thanksgiving he will grow on you just as you learn to tune him out.

We like Wamsutta. And he REALLY likes Snap-on

 

[Yarpo]

^^I have no idea what point, if any, you are trying to make. We are talking about made in the USA, quality, and costs.

...Really?

I gave reasoning as to why SK, An American owned company with American workers using American steel isn't more relevant on this forum, or in the hand tool market, than say Gearwrench (Your example, not mine. Insert any Taiwan company here)

Look at SK as another example. American owned, American workers, American steel... On those traits alone one would think they'd be a much larger player in the hand tool world. Yet GearWrench gets most of the "thread time" here, on a pretty pro-America tool forum. Case closed...

Sk isn't as relevant in those catagories (your words, not mine) because people don't have enough money to buy SK tools, when tools of lesser cost are doing the same tasks. Due to wage stagnation as you touched on earlier, people are buying tools that are capable of doing the work and putting their money elsewhere (Rent/HealthInsurance, etc)

That's just my opinion tho, of course.

 

[M6erfan]

^^^ ok

 

[Yarpo]

Forgot, we dont discuss real things here, and people dont like counter points or having real forum conversations.

Better just make one thread and let everyone spam their new tools without discussion. Yawn.

 

[kctyphoon]

I’d just like to state that i read this thread before it had one reply, and i walked away knowing this would turn into a **** show.. not even reading the responses behind me, i already know what they say. I’m proud of myself.. lol.

 

[Tallpilot]

Forgot, we dont discuss real things here, and people dont like counter points or having real forum conversations.

Better just make one thread and let everyone spam their new tools without discussion. Yawn.

It's the medium for one. It's quite similar to arguing about something in a bar. You begin a well reasoned diatribe then get interrupted by someone belching which leads to a further interruption by the drunk guy 3 stools down. He initially sounds like he might have been following your topic but after wasting a minute of your precious life listening to him you realize he was just using the opportunity to segue back to his personal favorite topic, a theory that aliens killed JFK.

Your point that a new tech or anybody else for that matter subjected to wage increases far below the cost of inflation is forced to make very hard economic decisions which lead to seeking lower priced alternatives is valid.

M6er also has a valid point that people have grown accustomed to disposable **** in just about every facet of their lives even when it isn't cheap. Why do we (consumers in general) put up with cell phones without user replaceable batteries that lose 25% of their capacity in two years? Maybe because they use the Snap-on model to sell phones. It isn't $1,200...it's $60 for 24 months.

Kitchen gadgets, consumer electronics, toilet paper...utterly insane amounts of what we buy every day is barely above junk status and sometimes below.

The good news is we have a place to discuss what has worked and hasn't worked for us. The bad news is we are using a statistically insignificant sample size of 1 on which to draw our conclusions.

 

[Yarpo]

It's the medium for one. It's quite similar to arguing about something in a bar. You begin a well reasoned diatribe then get interrupted by someone belching which leads to a further interruption by the drunk guy 3 stools down. He initially sounds like he might have been following your topic but after wasting a minute of your precious life listening to him you realize he was just using the opportunity to segue back to his personal favorite topic, a theory that aliens killed JFK.

Your point that a new tech or anybody else for that matter subjected to wage increases far below the cost of inflation is forced to make very hard economic decisions which lead to seeking lower priced alternatives is valid.

M6er also has a valid point that people have grown accustomed to disposable **** in just about every facet of their lives even when it isn't cheap. Why do we (consumers in general) put up with cell phones without user replaceable batteries that lose 25% of their capacity in two years? Maybe because they use the Snap-on model to sell phones. It isn't $1,200...it's $60 for 24 months.

Kitchen gadgets, consumer electronics, toilet paper...utterly insane amounts of what we buy every day is barely above junk status and sometimes below.

The good news is we have a place to discuss what has worked and hasn't worked for us. The bad news is we are using a statistically insignificant sample size of 1 on which to draw our conclusions.

I really do appreciate you responding and wish we could have more in depth conversations like this, but alas, I wont touch on the "touchy" subject matter. Maybe it is the medium, I always thought forums where good for this sort of thing but you might be right, soon the alien conspirators will be here

I like to share my opinion but also like to hear others opinions and generally just debate. I also like facts and sources, which I guess does get kind of in depth on a forum and always seem to be absent here, maybe due to the time it takes to really source good info. At the end of the day tho, I like to converse, simply. I see merit in both mine and his example (backed up by your examples) and would rather talk about real reasons one might buy something or not buy something as its much more enjoyable to me than seeing the chrome on the same snap on ratchet over and over, and over, and over and over, and over again. But alas....

Anyways, here's my new snap on ratchet.

yay...

 

[mark.dziamski]

I really do appreciate you responding and wish we could have more in depth conversations like this, but alas, I wont touch on the "touchy" subject matter. Maybe it is the medium, I always thought forums where good for this sort of thing but you might be right, soon the alien conspirators will be here [emoji38]_hitti

I like to share my opinion but also like to hear others opinions and generally just debate. I also like facts and sources, which I guess does get kind of in depth on a forum and always seem to be absent here, maybe due to the time it takes to really source good info. At the end of the day tho, I like to converse, simply. I see merit in both mine and his example (backed up by your examples) and would rather talk about real reasons one might buy something or not buy something as its much more enjoyable to me than seeing the chrome on the same snap on ratchet over and over, and over, and over and over, and over again. But alas....

Anyways, here's my new snap on ratchet.

yay...

Very well said, this thread is the type of thread that keeps me on forum. Seeing 20 people post their brand new tools that are the same every week gets boring after awhile. I enjoy reading and at times take part in debates like this. Hearing about ones actual good/bad experience on different tools of different brands and the environment in which they get used.

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[HC33]

The guy who said snap on tools are overpriced junk is clearly a F#@&ing

*****. Theres a lot of really i mean really stupid people in this world.

Snap on in no way what so ever is junk. The tools maybe a little overpriced but they are the best tools in the world. I use snapon tools mostly with some mac and matco tools and some german tools .
Got to love MORONS.

 

[pi_guy]

From a different perspective nobody wants to hear what they do not agree with.
There is too much of how cheap can I do this job. Why use quality tools when junk will do just as well.
Except when your the next person to work on something that has been bastardized by poor workmanship.
The tool trucks provide tools for the next level and that are specific to certain tasks.

To sum it up why buy a proper stud remover when you can just use a pair of vise grips.

 

[sberry]

I got a stud remover,,, usually use Vise Grips.

 

[pi_guy]

I forgot to add the best part. They are proud of their incompetence, they think leaving tooling marks on a stud is a sign of good work.

 

[sberry]

Most of the time the stud doesn't know any difference. Ranks right up with the use of a tubing wrench on a rusty brake line that is going to be tossed,,,, or even if it isn't no one cares on a 20 yr old rusty car.

 

[2ndGearRubber]

I forgot to add the best part. They are proud of their incompetence, they think leaving tooling marks on a stud is a sign of good work.

As long as the threads are clean after, does it really matter? I normally use the 3-lobe style stud pullers. IF I have to re-use, I just chase the threads and use a normal stud installer. I'm not a big fan of the "clamping double nut" style removers, and I don't re-use very many studs; so collet style pullers don't make sense. My 3-lobe ones are about as small as is functional.

99% of studs I'm replacing anyways. If I do re-use, just chase the threads. Only takes a minute. I will agree, vice grips will destroy any thought of reusing. But if I'm pitching the stud, I don't care, I just need to get it out.

 

[2ndGearRubber]

The guy who said snap on tools are overpriced junk is clearly a F#@&ing

*****. Theres a lot of really i mean really stupid people in this world.

Snap on in no way what so ever is junk. The tools maybe a little overpriced but they are the best tools in the world. I use snapon tools mostly with some mac and matco tools and some german tools .
Got to love MORONS.

I always wondered if snap-on lowered their prices to compete with, say, SK, would there be ANY animosity or dislike of the brand? What if they competed with gear-wrench street price on amazon? Exact tools as current, just way cheaper.


Aside from pricing structure, I don't see many actual complaints.

 

[Robert Haas]

So I’m working for an old timer down the road for the winter just to have something to do until my busy seasons kicks back in when the weather warms up. This old man took his millions and opened up a limestone wuarry about ten years ago just to have something to do. So today, he and I were replacing head gaskets on one of his many 50 ton off toad haul trucks. He had one of his service trucks pulled up close with easily a 100 grand in hand tools, mostly snap on but some Mac and other odd balls in there. He yelled down to his helper to grab another ratchet and some extensions and the helper asked which one? The old man chimed back and said “anything bit snap on, they aint nothing but over priced JUNK”!!!! He went on to say how he’s spent big money on them with some ratchets costing over a grand each, and was the biggest waste of money ever. Lol
He said I don’t give a damn if you’re a certified mechanic because I’ve seen way better mechanics with no training at all, and he doesn’t give a rats *** how much a tool costs that expensive doesn’t equal quality. He followed it up with how us younger men need to learn from the guys who’s been around the block a time or two, don’t buy stupid **** just because everyone else is. Lmao

Yes a very interesting man for sure. Said he came from poverty, went into rodeo and was a two time world champion. Went into ranching and had a 15,000 head cattle farm and bred and trained rodeo horses that he sold for a quarter million each. Sold it all and turned his massive ranch into anhuge quarry. One of the most mechanically gifted men I’ve ever come across - and I use to work in the largest automotive/diesel shops in the state. So I’ve been around a while lot of wrenching in my life.
he invested heavily into a lot of tools at once to operate his business. He’s a man who believes in buying the best you can afford, he just doesn’t believe the best is always the popular stuff.

In my immediate family, there are 3 lamborghinis, two McClarens, two R8’s, a porche and a ferrari. And even though you could buy 10 Ford super duty’s for one McClaren, aren’t any of them higher quality than a Super Duty.

There are story tellers, and there are pathological liars.


But these three posts tell me all I ever need to know about the OP

You folks can buy what he is selling, but I caution you to look real hard at the store.