Interesting topic. I say if the ratchets were made 100% percent in USA, you better believe they would have USA stamped on them. I knew something was fishy as soon as I saw USA not on the 80 series ratchets. Another way to save an almighty nickel.... and show off for the stockholders. That being said, I love the new ratchets have a bunch of them!
snap on s80 not made in america??
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I just read through this entire thread and I truly appreciate everyone's concern about the matter. I felt my stomach drop when I picked up the new S80 and I didn't see Made in USA.
I can't stand the fact that so many major brands mix and match their products now. Keep the manufacturing here with the American pride and quality and the legacy of good tools will live on.
I can't stand the fact that so many major brands mix and match their products now. Keep the manufacturing here with the American pride and quality and the legacy of good tools will live on.
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TireTracks
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The Box says Hencho En Tiawan.
Even craftsman stamps ~everything( almost everything? I've never looked at everything) with Forged in the USA, you would think Snap on could do it.
bestatv
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In the new tool catalog,I noticed in the very beginning of the ratchet section,none of the ratchets are stamped USA.Omen of things to come?On a more cheerful note,my dual 80 ratchet,which I got about a year ago,is stamped USA.
Moose-LandTran
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Oh, god, not this **** again..
ricleh
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chadster1
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toolnut
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But this is fun!!!
Nothing quite like a tool marked - MADE IN THE USA!!!!
Okay where the heck is the American flag smiley???????
It's probably not made here either!!!
Nothing quite like a tool marked - MADE IN THE USA!!!!
Okay where the heck is the American flag smiley???????
It's probably not made here either!!!
Vinko
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In other words this is the first step to out sourcing more stuff.
This is what my driver said. Except this isn't their 1st step. It's just among the many. So when there is more of a transition offshore, customers will be less likely to remark on it.
I don't know how that works with rules (if any) for branding tools (or anything else) with a COO if you are importing.
Vinko
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But this is fun!!!
Nothing quite like a tool marked - MADE IN THE USA!!!!
Okay where the heck is the American flag smiley???????
It's probably not made here either!!!
Yesterday, my home depot had a made in China American flag for sale.
arkangel06
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A tool company that has been marking every tool they made since the start of their company with MADE IN THE USA has suddenly stopped???
Right around the same time lots of their tools are starting to come from asia??
Keep on pretending they are 100% us made because they are not they can not be.
Right around the same time lots of their tools are starting to come from asia??
Keep on pretending they are 100% us made because they are not they can not be.
The reason Snap On is using Country Of Origin is because Snap On can not legally put USA unless the tool is made in the USA. COO can mean anything that Snap On wants it to mean. "USA" "Made IN USA" means it was made in the USA. This is why your Snap On Ratchet does not say USA on the handle or the head of the ratchet. Look at your Made IN USA Snap On ratchet, the handle and the head of the ratchet is marke USA.(Excluding the comfortgrip handled ratchets.) Unless it's the hard plastic comfort grip handles. I'm looking at my older 936 Snap On ratchet with out the comfort grip handle and the handle is marked USA and the Head is Marked USA. Compare the older Snap On tool catalogs to the new 2010 catalog. The older catalogs say that Snap On tools comply what the definition of USA. This is no longer the case in the new catalog. You should alsl be suspect of "Made In America" because Canada and Mexico are in North America. Not that there is anything wrong with proucts made in Canada or Mexico.
There is a legal definition of what "USA" or "Made In USA" means and Snap On does not meet the definition with there Dual 80 ratchtets. That is why the COO is usa and the ratchet is not marked USA. Also notice that the COO is not marked in the catalog only on the internet.
There is a legal definition of what "USA" or "Made In USA" means and Snap On does not meet the definition with there Dual 80 ratchtets. That is why the COO is usa and the ratchet is not marked USA. Also notice that the COO is not marked in the catalog only on the internet.
Vinko
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No, I don't see how your flag example works
As for COO regs (Federal), I've read them. If I understand them (no an expert in commerce or the law), a majority of the part of the product that is functional is made in the USA, then you can have that label.
I personally believe the COO is USA if SO Corporate says so. I'm not big into conspiracies. I do think the idea of not putting COO is to condition the consumer not to expect it, which is useful when they eventually starting doing more overseas.
doctorschmullus
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I look at it this way.
In the beginning all countries made equipement in there own country. Other countries became cheaper and so they moved there plants to those countries.
It happens in everything. For example cars. First, many cars were made in america, GM, Ford, Chrysler etc.
Then Japan got cheaper to make cars- Toyota, Nissan
Then Korea: Hyaundi, Kia
then china: Ssangyong cars.
Snap on's decision is so there is a bigger profit margin, to fill there pockets and look good on the sharemarket. In this decision they have not kept us, the customer in mind. In australia the number one tool manafacturer Sidchrome has moved to taiwan resulting in quality drop. Thankfully Sidchrome is a darn sight cheaper than snap on, but alot of people are still cautious buying sidchrome but have no other choice as most tools are asian made.
In the beginning all countries made equipement in there own country. Other countries became cheaper and so they moved there plants to those countries.
It happens in everything. For example cars. First, many cars were made in america, GM, Ford, Chrysler etc.
Then Japan got cheaper to make cars- Toyota, Nissan
Then Korea: Hyaundi, Kia
then china: Ssangyong cars.
Snap on's decision is so there is a bigger profit margin, to fill there pockets and look good on the sharemarket. In this decision they have not kept us, the customer in mind. In australia the number one tool manafacturer Sidchrome has moved to taiwan resulting in quality drop. Thankfully Sidchrome is a darn sight cheaper than snap on, but alot of people are still cautious buying sidchrome but have no other choice as most tools are asian made.
Merkava_4
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pssssssssssstt....
I got news for y'all:
The Snap-on Dual 80 ratchets are made in Elisabethton Tennessee. Pass it on....
I got news for y'all:
The Snap-on Dual 80 ratchets are made in Elisabethton Tennessee. Pass it on....
Moose-LandTran
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You were made in Canada. Does the fact you don't have "Canada" or "Made in Canada" branded on your *** make you not made in Canada? No. It doesn't.
Whatever reason reason Snap-on has for not putting the COO stamp on the ratchets is irrelevant because they have already confirmed numerous time by numerous means that they are made in the US in their entirity.
06wt
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well mayb if we grip enough about it they will start putting usa back on the tools, we all including me bitched about hard handles enough for them to bring them back so its wroking
No, but i would feel bad if all my Ma, Pa, Brothers, Sisters, Aunts, Uncles, Cousins all there *** stamped and they left me out. I would feel like they didnt love me or something.
Moose-LandTran
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Well, as i understand it these ratchets are somewhat less emotional than yourself. Also, if your entire family had aforementioned branding and you didn't it's more likely you were adopted than not loved.
Besides, it changes nothing, they're still made in the USA whether it says it or not.
arkangel06
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If I have not already said it in this thread
DUAL80's are NOT made in America.
DUAL80's are NOT made in America.
Moose-LandTran
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Well, as i understand it these ratchets are somewhat less emotional than yourself. Also, if your entire family had aforementioned branding and you didn't it's more likely you were adopted than not loved.
Besides, it changes nothing, they're still made in the USA whether it says it or not.
Adopted? Ah Man im gonna have to call my Mom Now.
Moose-LandTran
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I'm sorry it was me that had to break it to you..
Funny story:
When my aunt was about 5 or 6, she asked me grandfather is she was adopted. He said her "Yes, we went to the orphange and said we'll have any one of the ugly ones."
She cried for days.
chadster1
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Prove it. Your opinion is not proof.
Moose-LandTran
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Nor is the lack of a COO stamp.
06wt
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all of the new model pliers dont have a usa stamp either and it pisses me off, but i really doubt that the pliers r not usa made either, y they leave usa off the tools i dont know but im still in the (the tools r made here) camp
Zrexxer
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I just can't believe how much effort y'all expend arguing with a 16 yr old Canadian child.
arkangel06
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proof enough for me.
Why would a company that has had the coo stap on their tools since the dawn of time take if off all of the suddon around the exact same time all other tool truck brand mfg's are getting their fine tooth ratchets made in asia?
Then they make up some BS story oh yeah we were going to put it on the box they were going to come in.....
Or we want people to focous on the name snap on and think quality so we removed that coo stamp on the head to keep the focous on the snap on name but why bother putting a coo stamp anywhere else on the ratchet?
I think it would be pretty easy to put it back on if they relised they made a mistake taking it off in the first place if the ratchets really 100% US made but they have not yet. Now they are producing 100tooth round head ratchets with out coo stamps either.
hmmm sound fishey to me....
Anyways Im off to work so I cant reply right now, I will try and find the thread tomarrow if I get a chance and reply.
arkangel06
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Ok that really chaps my *** Ill talk to you later on too.
chadster1
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Now that you mention it, I am thinking you may be off on his age by 3-4 years.
warmpancakes
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the new ratching screwdrivers dont say it on the driver but the box is clearly labeled
and snap on even put COO on the packing slips
and snap on even put COO on the packing slips
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Maybe we should start another thread concerning the Ratcheting screwdrivers? BTW I gave this thread 5 stars.... LOL
LOLwarmpancakes
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06wt
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so the fathers day ratcheting screwdriver i got for my dad ,my dealer beter b droping off tomorrow, is missing the usa stamp as well? thats sort of a let down
im hoping your taking about the lame soft grip ones
im hoping your taking about the lame soft grip ones
warmpancakes
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nope the "hard" handle well at least the black ones
expatriated
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I still won't believe it until Merk's being hauled out of the factory by the local constabulary with proof in his digital camera.
The truth is out there...
