So much for SO precision pliers - there is a difference.

[Fulcrum]

Re: So much for new SO precision pliers

I'm willing to bet you haven't used both. I have. You could do the same with the SOG S44 while exerting less force since they are force multiplying. The SOG handles aren't at all ergonomic though

$1,000 bet says you can't lift a 50 pound Wilton vise off the ground holding a penny in it's inserts with your SOG.

 

[measuredtwice]

Re: So much for new SO precision pliers

$1,000 bet says you can't lift a 50 pound Wilton vise off the ground holding a penny in it's inserts with your SOG.

You won't pay up. This is getting old bro.

I recommend picking up a pair of the S44. They were also sold by Paladin Tools as the PT510 which included some datacom specific tools.

 

[Wamsutta]

Snap-on Tools
7939 N Faulkner Rd
Milwaukee, WI 53224

That's where the real Snap-on pliers are made.

The ones branded "Snap-on" that are made in Spain are not real Snap-on pliers in my book.

 

[pstemari]

Re: So much for new SO precision pliers

Wait a second. Why on Earth would you try to lift huge pieces of iron with precision needle-nose pliers, or use force multipliers? That's just silly.

Precision needle nose pliers are for things like adjusting the legs on a tiny surface mount IC, picking up tiny little objects, twisting together fine wire, etc. The real test is whether you can pick up a small thing out of a bunch of small things close together without disturbing any of them but the one you pick up.

Generally, for precision needle nose pliers, smooth jaws are much better than toothed ones. You are much less likely to damage a fine wire or a lead.

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[measuredtwice]

Re: So much for new SO precision pliers

Wait a second. Why on Earth would you try to lift huge pieces of iron with precision needle-nose pliers, or use force multipliers? That's just silly.

I'll lift 50lbs if folcrum pays $1000 to do it. The challenge was his idea. But he won't pay up. And I agree with what you say. I still recommend the S44 for the normal use of precision pliers.

 

[dthor68]

Davefr, I bet you could use the spring off of the Kliens. Better yet, just buy a set of kliens and be done with it. Or maybe the mid 90's Craftsman from France would work? Those are very nice precision pliers, use mine every day.

 

[PugetDude]

Re: So much for new SO precision pliers

I'll lift 50lbs if folcrum pays $1000 to do it. The challenge was his idea. But he won't pay up.

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[Tallpilot]

Re: So much for new SO precision pliers

Subscribed for updates...

I haven’t seen a playground fight for years; what fun.

 

[measuredtwice]

Re: So much for new SO precision pliers

I haven’t seen a playground fight for years; what fun.

You calling me a child bro. I'll fight you.

What's with people on the internet. Fulcrum calls members of the forum "rabble". Tallpilot calls us children. Can't everyone just play nice??

 

[measuredtwice]

Amazon has a Klein spring for $1. The reviews say it didn't fit their Klein pliers but I thought I would mention it since some suggested a Klein spring.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00093GEEE/?tag=atomicindus08-20

 

[Mr_B]

wow name calling, a fight and a 50lb floating vise with a penny and some needle nose pliers, plus the thousand bucks bet ...
Who's dads is going referee and make sure all play, claims and payoffs are fair and square lol ...
this is the best thread ever .
fortunately majority have some online manners and blessed with sense of humour lol

The klein spring that doesn't fit klein pleirs, that also a lol ...

 

[Davefr]

Amazon has a Klein spring for $1. The reviews say it didn't fit their Klein pliers but I thought I would mention it since some suggested a Klein spring.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00093GEEE/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Thanks for the link.

I don't think it'll fit. I think Klein P/N 571A is the perfect candidate. I ordered one this morning from HD for a whopping $1.06 w/free store pickup. If it's too long I'll just shorten it but I'm guessing the O.D. is really close.

 

[Mr_B]

Re: So much for new SO precision pliers

It's a super tool 300 (didn't feel like digging out my sog powerlock) but is this close enough to collect (not being serious here)? Wilton 1755 anniversary vise if that matters. Hopefully now we can get back to discussing the OP's issue vs. what plier can lift what.

lol

 

[PugetDude]

On a related note, what brand locking pliers would you guys recommend for towing a single axle trailer?

 

[rlitman]

On a related note, what brand locking pliers would you guys recommend for towing a single axle trailer?

Single axle? That depends. If it's something you put together using your HF FCAW welder bed frames and rebar, then definitely Pittsburgh FTW.

 

[PFSard]

To go along with the derailment:

Guys, I can tell you from personal experience, that it's much easier to rip a fingernail off by catching it on an underlying sheet of plywood when you're shifting stacks of 3/4" plywood than it is to do it using pliers. Much quicker also, so that you don't stop and reconsider partly through the process.

LOL I've been wondering how to get that done. Probably belongs in "Tips and Tricks".

 

[BarryWells]

Snap-on Tools
7939 N Faulkner Rd
Milwaukee, WI 53224

That's where the real Snap-on pliers are made.

The ones branded "Snap-on" that are made in Spain are not real Snap-on pliers in my book.

Correct. The ones from Spain are vastly superior

 

[chad w]

Snap-on Tools
7939 N Faulkner Rd
Milwaukee, WI 53224

That's where the real Snap-on pliers are made.

The ones branded "Snap-on" that are made in Spain are not real Snap-on pliers in my book.

Your "book" is worth exactly as much as you paid for it. Snap on says its theirs, i trust them over you.

 

[PugetDude]

LOL I've been wondering how to get that done. Probably belongs in "Tips and Tricks".

Or the "Thread of Awesome"

 

[Rabid Badger]

To go along with the derailment:

Guys, I can tell you from personal experience, that it's much easier to rip a fingernail off by catching it on an underlying sheet of plywood when you're shifting stacks of 3/4" plywood than it is to do it using pliers. Much quicker also, so that you don't stop and reconsider partly through the process.

Ah, memories.

Of course a real pro doesn't wait until the last minute. He'll smack it with a hammer a few days in advance.

 

[Hytekrednek]

I have a few pair of the snap on prec. pliers and also some Swanstroms. For a few bucks less, the swanstroms are much better pliers. The snap on are nice though, just not worth what they cost to me. Swanstrom has dozens and dozens of styles and sizes to choose from too.
I have an older pair os snap-off precision pliers that are very well loved and used. The tip snapped off one side a while back. Nearly cried. I ground the tip a bit and made them useful again to finish the job. I cant decide if I should try to warranty them or just use them as is.

 

[Davefr]

UPDATE:
SO asked me to return replacement set #1 of P92055 pliers to their product manager in Kenosha which I did. They just sent me replacement set #2 and here they are "in all their glory".

They managed to get the jaws symmetric and better aligned but look at this serration pattern. Just like set #1, it looks like it's cuts way too deep and aggressive for small precision 5.5" pliers. The depth of the cut isn't even consistent. (crocodile teeth) It looks like they were cut manually with a Dremel tool.

Why does the serration need to be more aggressive then the much larger 7" 196CF's. The depth of serration just weakens the tip IMHO by removing too much "meat".

 

[Davefr]

I grabbed a few other precision pliers and inspected their serration patterns and here they are:

Swanstrom S661E:

Klein D310-6C

Old SO 948CP stubby nose:

My favorite old E703:

...and I managed to find a spring for my old E703's. It's Klein P/N 571A and a whopping $1.06 from HD with free store pickup.

SO customer service is fantastic but this stuff from Bahco looks like dollar store quality. Ironically the Bahco pliers are more expensive then Swanstrom!!

 

[rlitman]

...this stuff from Bahco looks like dollar store quality...

Wow. Yeah, it really does. Like it was hand cut by Asian children who were new to the job.

 

[Rabid Badger]

I'm not super impressed by the second replacement, either. There does seem to be a pattern to the groove cutting, though. They appear to have a deep-deep-shallow pattern. How that helps functionality I couldn't say.

 

[L.Cheapo]

Wow, that's piss poor.

I was on the truck earlier this week and there was a big set of the precision pliers in a foam tray on one of the shelves. I took the pair out that I believed was the subject of this thread, verified it said "Spain" on it, then looked at the jaws. They were as they should be--serrations were even, appropriately sized. Ends met perfectly, horizontally and vertically. Even contact along the jaws. I looked a few times, tried the action, and was about to take a pic...but didn't want to answer the inevitable questions following.

They must have made some bad batches, or changed something. For what they're charging, they need to do better. I don't understand why they can't be made in the same USA plant that makes their regular pliers--no one seems to have any issues with them.

 

[Mr_B]

Wow. Yeah, it really does. Like it was hand cut by Asian children who were new to the job.

to be fair to asian children doing pliers these days, they better than that.
i have older snapon pliers that real nice, most my newer stuff been mac, ck, toptul and keiba
you'd be hard pushed find a set worse machined in HF these days .

 

[rlitman]

to be fair to asian children doing pliers these days, they better than that.
i have older snapon pliers that real nice, most my newer stuff been mac, ck, toptul and keiba
you'd be hard pushed find a set worse machined in HF these days .

I agree. That's why I said they were new to the job. Once their fingers get trained, they start moving on to more skilled work, like making HF's pliers.

 

[Davefr]

I don't understand why they can't be made in the same USA plant that makes their regular pliers--no one seems to have any issues with them.

All their US made pliers have been fantastic IMHO. The combination of 196CF and E703BCG is a marriage made in heaven.

If they wanted to farm out the small precision line to an offshore manufacturer, they should have at least sent them their specifications and told them to copy exactly. E703BCG's are just about perfect!!

 

[Mr_B]

As Bahco plant part of snapon portfolio and not cheap tooling or labour you wouldn't expect that rough a job.
shocking really as I not seen that bad machining on pliers in years ....
Least you sourced a spring and know to avoid bahco products ...

 

[Guam_Guy]

You would think that for the price they would be better.

 

[Mr_B]

Think you want post them in too and ask speak to someone high up on quality issues .
What also amazing is no one even making slight effort check products at critical customer relations and brand image at customer care centre for a product already sent in with manufacture defects and send out one almost as bad .
Snapon be a lot of dollar wasted if products and warranty keeps slipping .

 

[Davefr]

Just for the heck of it I ordered a $14 pair of Tekton 5.5" pliers #PMN01001 made in Taiwan.

I'll let you draw you own conclusions.

 

[rlitman]

Just for the heck of it I ordered a $14 pair of Tekton 5.5" pliers #PMN01001 made in Taiwan.

I'll let you draw you own conclusions...

The knurling looks real nice! But my biggest question would be how good is the quality of the joint?

 

[Davefr]

The knurling looks real nice! But my biggest question would be how good is the quality of the joint?

It's not $wanstrom quality, but I don't detect any slop. How it holds up over time is TBD.

 

[Ton ton]

Are these the talon grip models that they are talking about?

 

[Ton ton]

Thanks. Ssdave.

 

[exmaxima1]

I've read mostly negative things about their precision pliers when they stopped using the Lindstrom plant and went to Spain. For $40-$60 a pop and outsourcing the labor to a cheap(er) country they seem to not care as poor QC out of Spain has been going on for many years now.

As noted earlier, some Lindstroms are also made in Spain. Damn good quality though, and have the same style pivot joint as the Bahco/Snap Ons

 

[Davefr]

No, the Talon grip are an entirely different plier, and the pairs I own don't show any kind of a quality problem. Probably the best of that type of plier I've ever owned, but they're somewhat heavy, not fine nose.

The 96ACF family is not fine nose, but the beveled tips and precision make them better then many fine nose pliers when doing precision work.

Here they are picking up and holding a tiny #40 magnet wire which is smaller then a human hair.

 

[Ton ton]

Nice.