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South Bend Lathe - 9"

drivesitfar

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i knew you were looking at a Rockwell and just wanted to remind you to make that clear in case one of the guys with all the information you need was able to make a quick post without reading the entire thread that started out with a South Bend.

that said i truly wish you the best and maybe put all the paperwork and information into your glove box in the car or truck you are taking to look at the Rockwell again in so you'll have them if you need them.

best of luck
 
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Don't be influenced by the dirt - it's all about condition and the dirt is a temporary phenomenon. It works in your favor, because it puts off other buyers. And for some of us, part of the fun is tearing the machine down to the last nut and bolt, cleaning, stripping, painting, and putting it back together again. Here's more info on that lathe, in case you haven't already found this: http://www.lathes.co.uk/delta%20metal/index.html

Not to muddy the waters, but I see that it's big brother is for sale as well: http://treasure.craigslist.org/tls/4438771828.html. Big bro probably has a 1 3/8" spindle bore, since it takes 5c collets.
 

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It's a shame. A can of way oil (cheap) and a little attention once in awhile could have prevented most of the observable deterioration.
 
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Don't be influenced by the dirt - it's all about condition and the dirt is a temporary phenomenon. It works in your favor, because it puts off other buyers. And for some of us, part of the fun is tearing the machine down to the last nut and bolt, cleaning, stripping, painting, and putting it back together again. Here's more info on that lathe, in case you haven't already found this: http://www.lathes.co.uk/delta%20metal/index.html

Not to muddy the waters, but I see that it's big brother is for sale as well: http://treasure.craigslist.org/tls/4438771828.html. Big bro probably has a 1 3/8" spindle bore, since it takes 5c collets.

It's a shame. A can of way oil (cheap) and a little attention once in awhile could have prevented most of the observable deterioration.

Paulsomo, the looks don't bother me at all, and I agree about others being put off. Just going to confirm no major mechcanical issues. Not looking for another project, but your right, part of having these machines are working and tweaking them.
I saw the larger lathe on CL, it was part of a package a while back, just never had a chance to call, but it'll be a consideration.

Steinmetz, I agree, even here in Fl, a little preventive care will go a long way. At least it's not been " refurbished " possibly hiding something.
 
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Re: South Bend Lathe - 9"not, It's a 11" Rockwell

I ended up buying a 11" Rockwell. It has a good selection of tool holders, a little tooling, 3 and 4 jaw chuck, a turret and steady rest attachments.ill post some pictures when I get home.
 

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CB,

I'll add a bit, if I may.....

Now that you've made the decision (the correct one, from what I've read here), it would be a nice courtesy to join the 'practicalmachinist' internet board (its free, just 'register' with a 'stage name') and let the folks in the South Bend forum there know about that cute little South Bend.

That one may be quite desirable to a South Bend collector, as it is the relatively uncommon 'long bed' version of the 9" 'A' model.

The 9" South Bend is a 'miniature' lathe, of very limited capability, but capable of good work on small parts. Many were purchased by hobbyists who made teeny-tiny model steam engines for amusement, and many were purchased by automotive shops, as they were the least expensive small lathe which would do the common job of refinishing starter and generator commutators.

The later '10K' model of South Bend lathe was an 'improved' version of the 'classic' 9", with better spindle bearings, and 1/2" more centre height for nominal 10" swing.

Now that you've the Rockwell lathe (which, really, is also a miniature, just a significantly better grade of miniature than is the little South Bend), you would do well to post its photo and a general query about it in the 'antique machinery' area of the 'practicalmachinist' internet board.

Some of the folks there would have copies of the original manual, and would know of any source for parts, should there be any, these days. (and, yes, there may well be some old 'dealers' stocks' of maintentence parts still in existence......somewhere)

As a group, they are quite helpful with new lathe owners, and will provide useful advice, based in many years of experience with machine setup and alignment, details which are ever so important, but not really 'obvious'.

Fortunately, with a machine of that size, having it all apart (stamp or etch 'match marks' anyway, before disassembly), cleaning it well, and refinishing, should you choose to, then reassembling and correctly aligning it will be simple and easy.

A 'word of warning'........many miniature lathes have a critical design error, which was common, years ago, in that they have four or more bolts holding them to a base or stand. It was simply 'understood' by the makers that they, or subsequent owners, would shim under the mounting points as necessary to avoid putting a 'twist' in the bed.

Over time, lathe benches or stands will warp, twisting the bed out of its original accuracy.

A 'best cure' for this is to make up the parts necessary to have the bed on a 'three-point mounting', two mount points at the headstock end, and one at the tail end, which positively allows the bed to 'crawl' back to its original accuracy if it has been twisted a bit. (even the seemingly strong casting of a lathe bed will deform slightly, if held down to an uneven or warped surface.

It doesn't take much of this effect to have the bed that few thou out of alignment, over its length. Almost always, a bed so twisted will 'un-twist' or correct itself, back to its original accuracy, tho it may take a few months' time do do so.

cheers

Carla
 
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Here's some pics. I pick up Sat.. Just ran by to look after work, overall, it is in good shape. It. Looks rough, but appears to been well maintained.



It's a three phase motor, so I couldn't run it, so I had to spin everything over by hand. The spindle moved freely without any noise and was smooth . All the gears are in good shape.the chucks look as if they hardly have any wear. It comes with a quick change tool holder with about 4 different holders, spanner wrenches, and othe misc wrenches.
I'm happy with it, it'll be a great starter lathe for me.

Thanks for everyone's input and helping me learn about these great pieces forthe shop.

I'll post unde a new thread soon as I get home and get some more pics.
 
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cbacres

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Thanks Drivesitsfar.

Carla,
Enjoyed you history lesson on the lathes. I have joined PM, and will be posting on my new toy.
Thanks
 
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